Another Festival in Marlay Park 3rd/4th August?

Furious-Red

Irishtimes.com

As noted here last week, MCD and their best buddies at Festival Republic have lodged a licence application with Dun Laoaghaire Rathdown County Council for two multi-stage concerts at Marlay Park on August 3 and 4.

The full application is now online, but details about the two day event or series of shows are a little sketchy. For instance, there is no indication if the acts will be dance, metal, pop or rock, all of which would draw significantly different audiences. Indeed, the application was initially supposed to be for three concerts from August 3 to 31, but this was amended in pen to read 3rd and 4th August before being submitted (page 1 of application) on May 24 last.

What we do know are that the proposed concerts will have three stages – one main stage and two tented stages – and the capacity of the event will be 30,000 per day. Gates will open each day at 11am and the concert will run from noon to 11pm. Per the application, the audience profile is “likely to be predominantly in the age group 18-35 years” (the same profile as listed in the licence application to Kildare County Council for Oxegen – see page 7 here).

The rest of the application consists of a detailed event management plan with a traffic management plan, security proposals (again, UK-based companies SLS and Specialized Security are the contracted security companies), health and safety regulations, draft drawings of the site layout and other elements.

Since we wrote about the second planning application for Marlay Park last week, we’ve heard a lot of speculation (and please note that it really is just speculation at this stage) about what might be happening that weekend. One of the most intriguing pieces of speculation involves the promoters moving Oxegen, which is due to take place the same weekend in Punchestown Racecourse, to south county Dublin.

OTR understands from industry sources that Oxegen has been performing very poorly in terms of ticket sales to date. This might explain why the Marlay Park application features a much lower capacity than the 50,000 sought for Punchestown Racecourse (which itself was a 37.5 per cent reduction in capacity from Oxegen’s heyday). Of course, were Oxegen to move to Marlay Park and benefit from the fact that a lot of the site build will already have been done for Longitude (and also reduce the costs associated with setting up in Punchestown), it would have to be a non-camping festival.

The question now is when will the promoters show their hand regarding what is planned for Marlay Park on that weekend. You also have to wonder if the residents around Marlay Park are happy to give the nod to an event without knowing who will be playing. Maybe they need to give some of their local reps a call or make a submission to the council by the end of the month.

exilec

Please be a rock gig.. queens of the stone age will do me..:cool:

wirelessdude01

Muse and/or Green day would make my lady friend very very happy!!!

Furious-Red

Sadly i can see it being OXegen being moved :mad:

bennyl10

Hoped it would be a reading precursor with green day/fob/nine inch nails but oxegen moving (unfortunately) makes sense..

Least itll teach MCD not to go down that lineup route again.

Dr. Bre

doesnt make sense for MCD to put something on that weekend to rival there own event Oxegen which is on that weekend.

bennyl10

Dr. Bre wrote: »

doesnt make sense for MCD to put something on that weekend to rival there own event Oxegen which is on that weekend.

If it was a completely different lineup style it wouldnt make difference.. like rock in Marlay..
have it appeal to people who wouldnt go to this years oxegen in a hundred years.

scudzilla

Furious-Red wrote: »

Sadly i can see it being OXegen being moved :mad:

^ ^ This

If ticket sales are dire for Poxygen then it would make sense to shift it to Marley.

Would love it for 1 day to be a Rock/Metal day but can't see it

Furious-Red

If it is Oxegen being moved then its really not a great Re-Launch of the "Oxegen Brand" . Can see Oxegen being no more after this year , They might do a festival similar but would be better off starting from scratch under a new name

bennyl10

Read the planning application in full.. it's for a dance/pop event.. Oxegen seemingly a definite..

run_Forrest_run

bennyl10 wrote: »

Oxegen seemingly a definite..

I pity the residents if it is Scumegen.

Shreddy Krueger

bennyl10 wrote: »

Read the planning application in full.. it's for a dance/pop event.. Oxegen seemingly a definite..

Any ideas where I can read it ?

JJ

Shreddy Krueger wrote: »

Any ideas where I can read it ?

There's a link to it in Jim O'C's blog post:

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/ontherecord/2013/06/12/whats-on-the-cards-for-dublins-marlay-park-on-august-3-and-4

It can be found here.

nxbyveromdwjpg

Oxegen is camping though - are they planning to have camping in Marley Park??

bennyl10

nm wrote: »

Oxegen is camping though - are they planning to have camping in Marley Park??

Camping will be gone.

Clemenza

Muse's latest offering was poppy dance

PLEASE BE MUSE!

delbertgrady

Er ... Biffy Clyro had a song on the X-Factor.
Please be Biffy Clyro. :rolleyes:

danniemcq

Have i missed a post or wha?

what has poppy dance or x-factor got to do with things?

nxbyveromdwjpg

bennyl10 wrote: »

Camping will be gone.

And any camping ticket already sold will be what, refunded?

How are they gonna work this

bennyl10

nm wrote: »

And any camping ticket already sold will be what, refunded?

How are they gonna work this

Probably refund the difference between camping and not.

It is only rumour that it's oxegen of course.

SV

Not a chance I'll be going if it is Oxegen, was pretty excited for this too.
Tis a shame.

Furious-Red

Clemenza wrote: »

Muse's latest offering was poppy dance

PLEASE BE MUSE!

delbertgrady wrote: »

Er ... Biffy Clyro had a song on the X-Factor.
Please be Biffy Clyro. :rolleyes:

Could be both

languagenerd

What are MCD playing at this year?! I know very little about marketing/economics, but even I could have predicted that Oxegen was going to sell really badly. (Same with Bon Jovi, actually).

If they really are moving Oxegen, they're gonna make things worse: many of the people who paid for camping won't be from Dublin and will look for refunds, and it's not like anyone else who hasn't already got tickets is gonna buy some cause it's in Marlay instead of Punchestown. If it's something other than Oxegen, it doesn't make any sense for them to compete with their own event (although maybe they could pick something more rock-based with little to no overlap).

The application was originally for 3 events over the whole month of August though, so obviously their plans have changed (and very recently, considering the changes were handwritten onto the application). That could mean other parts of the plan also could be changed: having permission for three stages probably doesn't mean they HAVE to have three stages... I don't know. Could be costly summer for MCD...

bennyl10

Hoping if not oxegen for green day/fall out boy one day muse/biffy the next..
Could be possible..

davywalsh7

bennyl10 wrote: »

Hoping if not oxegen for green day/fall out boy one day muse/biffy the next..
Could be possible..

Would love it if thats the outcome. Bit of a lack of rock gigs/festivals this year

windowcleaner

bennyl10 wrote: »

Read the planning application in full.. it's for a dance/pop event.. Oxegen seemingly a definite..

where exactly does it say that?

bennyl10

windowcleaner wrote: »

where exactly does it say that?

Good few pages down, theres a list done which has type of event, capacity & a few other bits.

Says type of event: dance/pop and capacity: <30,000

bennyl10

would MCD be stupid enough to eliminate the camping aspect from oxegen though?.. interesting weeks ahead..

bennyl10

windowcleaner wrote: »

where exactly does it say that?

this is said on the bottom of page 30

run_Forrest_run

bennyl10 wrote: »

would MCD be stupid enough to eliminate the camping aspect from oxegen though?.. interesting weeks ahead..

why would it be stupid of them if they eliminated camping? I'd say if they could pull off a 3 day event without camping they'd go for it. Camping can only cost money and not make a cent. Extra security costs, toilets etc and there's the bad media reports of what goes on in Oxegen campsites too:eek:

lertsnim

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

why would it be stupid of them if they eliminated camping? I'd say if they could pull off a 3 day event without camping they'd go for it. Camping can only cost money and not make a cent. Extra security costs, toilets etc and there's the bad media reports of what goes on in Oxegen campsites too:eek:

Why did they ever have camping so? I'd imagine camping is a nice earner

Big Nasty

As a local I hope ta fook it's not Oxegen! :eek:

keeponrockin

a guest on todays Matt Cooper show on Today FM was on talking about this weekends Bon Jovi/Neil Young gigs and she mentioned that this Marley Park weekend included a Stone Roses gig which hadnt been announced yet:cool:

bennyl10

keeponrockin wrote: »

a guest on todays Matt Cooper show on Today FM was on talking about this weekends Bon Jovi/Neil Young gigs and she mentioned that this Marley Park weekend included a Stone Roses gig which hadnt been announced yet:cool:

Seriously?!

As much as im not a big stone roses fan and think theyre incredibly overrated, at least they play guitars!

Them on one & hopefully another rock act on the 4th.. 2(possible) days,of rock music.. please let MCD finally have seen the light

But didnt tge stone roses struggle to get close to selling Phoenix Park?.. worth putting them in Marlay from MCD's point of view?

keeponrockin

bennyl10 wrote: »

Seriously?!

As much as im not a big stone roses fan and think theyre incredibly overrated, at least they play guitars!

Them on one & hopefully another rock act on the 4th.. 2(possible) days,of rock music.. please let MCD finally have seen the light

But didnt tge stone roses struggle to get close to selling Phoenix Park?.. worth putting them in Marlay from MCD's point of view?

Yeah thats what i was thinking..them and 1 other major rock act headlining over 2 days with a good support..dont think Marleys capacity is quite as big as the park although its really late to sell tickets at this stage.
Can anyone remember the gap between the announcement and the gig for Kasabian/Noel in Marley last year cos think it was a similiar timeframe 6-8 weeks??

LETS BE AVN IT

Ye I think it was 4 weeks only. Anywhere I can listen back to what she said? Who is she? how does she know?

keeponrockin

LETS BE AVN IT wrote: »

Ye I think it was 4 weeks only. Anywhere I can listen back to what she said? Who is she? how does she know?

she works for the Irish Times and is the first guest on the show so click on part 1 ..first go to http://www.todayfm.com/Shows/Weekdays/Matt-Cooper/podcasting.aspx ..then Listen via Media Player..then "Listen Back" Tab(to the left of podcast tab)..then Matt Cooper Show..then friday..then part 1

Dyr

Doubt that MCD would have the staff to cover organising and running two events over the one weekend

bennyl10

Bambi wrote: »

Doubt that MCD would have the staff to cover organising and running two events over the one weekend

the staff aren't MCD, they're all given to outside companies, cover certainly wouldn't be an issue.

bennyl10

Oxegens facebook is giving away a festival pack.. would they really be doing it if was to be moved?..

SV

bennyl10 wrote: »

Oxegens facebook is giving away a festival pack.. would they really be doing it if was to be moved?..

I don't see what the difference would be? :S

jimosterberg

Feck. I'm away that weekend and would love to see the Stone Roses again.

superb choice of username

SV wrote: »

I don't see what the difference would be? :S

Because the Marley Park thing isn't a festival.....no camping

Dyr

bennyl10 wrote: »

the staff aren't MCD, they're all given to outside companies, cover certainly wouldn't be an issue.

MCD hand over duties like artist liason and site management to third parties? I Doubt it

SV

superb choice of username wrote: »

Because the Marley Park thing isn't a festival.....no camping

I get the feeling they'd still call it a festival though, I'm not convinced

bennyl10

Bambi wrote: »

MCD hand over duties like artist liason and site management to third parties? I Doubt it

All security and site organisation over the coursr of the even is third party..
I imagine they have an awful lot of people who could provide artist liason. Hell i'll do it for them.

timmywex

Unfortunately the Marley Park concerts are for Oxegen, not for any potential rock concert

I think it is a plan B type thing if sales remain low but cannot be sure. The change aint going to be popular anyway - no camping

bennyl10

timmywex wrote: »

Unfortunately the Marley Park concerts are for Oxegen, not for any potential rock concert

I think it is a plan B type thing if sales remain low but cannot be sure. The change aint going to be popular anyway - no camping

You sound very certain of this.. source?

Festival republic woukdnt sumbit an application if there wasn't something definite organised.. They originally had 3 gigs booked/planned judging my application.. could easily be 2 of these.

timmywex

bennyl10 wrote: »

You sound very certain of this.. source?

Festival republic woukdnt sumbit an application if there wasn't something definite organised.. They originally had 3 gigs booked/planned judging my application.. could easily be 2 of these.

Well first off MCD/Festival Republic cant pull off two large festivals like this in the same weekend, anyone who thinks otherwise has obviously never worked in event production or management :P

If you look at the Marlay Park application and the Oxegen Application youll see that the same people are listed for event controller, deputies, security co-ordinator, fire safety co-ordinator, safety co-ordinator etc etc. These people need to be on site at all times so simply cannot cover the two events

Dyr

timmywex wrote: »

Well first off MCD/Festival Republic cant pull off two large festivals like this in the same weekend, anyone who thinks otherwise has obviously never worked in event production or management :P

Nah, apparently you just sub all that stuff out to third parties, maybe to the guys who provide the food stalls. MCD just stick the deposit down and put up posters

SV

Also, longitude is being called a festival and that's in marlay park with no camping.
It's 100% moving there I'm thinking, what a shame.

There better be refunds offered