PRISM

WRECK TANGLE

Walker34 wrote: »

Ed Snowden might go through Shannon on route to Cuba.

On what sort of flight though?:eek:

http://www.therenditionproject.org.uk/global-rendition/the-flights/index.html

[-0-] wrote: »

The drunken ramblings are a bit much.

I was wondering what was going on.

Walker34

blatantrereg wrote: »

Microsoft say they do not allow direct access to user content or encryption keys, and only share data when required to by a specific valid demand.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2013/07/16/responding-to-government-legal-demands-for-customer-data.aspx

one thing you learn over time is that official White House or Corporate statements are very carefully worded and each word used has a very precise meaning and context. It takes someone like Noam Chompsky to elucidate their precise meaning and purpose.

They are designed to provide the maximum flexibility or elasticity of future interpretation so that the US can use them as "Told you so" responses at any future date. Like software they need to be regularly updated or revised to stay useful.

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/17/intelligence_and_security_committee_prism_and_gchq/

Claims that Britain's intelligence agency GCHQ circumvented UK legislation by using America's controversial PRISM programme to access the content of private communications are false, parliamentarians concluded today.

But it's nice to know it's technically possible

Walker34

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Why ?

Spies get sent home or to jail. Even the Rosenbergs might have just got a prison sentence had they confessed like the others did.


But the Rosenbergs were not spies.....they were totally innocent, its just Hoover needed someone to make an example of......just like the SS would go in a town and leave a few corpses hanging in the town square.....its called a deterrent, much like whats going on now.

jmcc

Walker34 wrote: »

Spies get sent home or to jail. Even the Rosenbergs might have just got a prison sentence had they confessed like the others did.

Given the times, that would have been unlikely.

But the Rosenbergs were not spies.....they were totally innocent,

Not exactly.

Regards...jmcc

Amirani

Snowden granted temporary asylum in Russia: http://rt.com/news/snowden-entry-airport-asylum-521/

wolf99

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/17/intelligence_and_security_committee_prism_and_gchq/

But it's nice to know it's technically possible

That's not to say the NSA doesn't use the GCHQ data to circumvent US legislation, which is a more likely scenario.

Capt'n Midnight

wolf99 wrote: »

That's not to say the NSA doesn't use the GCHQ data to circumvent US legislation, which is a more likely scenario.

likely ?

The US has used extraordinary rendition to outsource torture to other countries, from there it's a slippery slope to getting a judge to sign off on eavesdropping

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/54-countries-rendition/

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/24/kiwis_set_to_get_new_spook_law/

New Zealand's Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB), which illegally spied on resident Kim Dotcom, is on the cusp of gaining sweeping new powers that include wiretapping NZ citizens.

The GCSB's domestic spying first came to light last year when it mistakenly tapped Dotcom's communications, not realising that his residency status at the time meant its actions were illegal. Rather than punish the organisation for its domestic snooping blunders, the New Zealand government has spent some time steering new laws through parliament to increase the GCSB's powers.

900913

How much space would the filing cabinets of the Stasi and the NSA use up, if the NSA would print out their 5 Zettabytes?

http://apps.opendatacity.de/stasi-vs-nsa/english.html

AnCatDubh

Apple and Facebook ’not breaking EU law’ by transferring personal data to US - via Irish Times

I always expected this to be the case when covered in a companies terms and conditions and really to me you either accept their T&C's or you don't use the services. I'm more miffed at legal provisions which enable systematic snooping to happen in a jurisdiction considered a 'safe harbour'. In fact, it kinda makes a bit of a mockery of EU data protection if a company can put its data outside of the EU (under the Safe Harbour guise) and then systematically allow/be obliged to/have that data abused (albeit legally abused) by a third party nation -- particularly when (and rightly so) use of personal data within our own state is quite regulated (and set to become more so) in line with the various EU directives.

wolf99

If Assange is elected would he not be able to avail of diplomatic immunity to leave the UK?

Nika Bolokov

More information released by the Guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

Looks like there is a big red dot on Ireland in the picture.

AnCatDubh

Don't worry, Trust Us. via TechCrunch.

NSA Director General Keith Alexander, head of the NSA, gave the keynote speech at the Black Hat security conference in Las Vegas today.

General Alexander is the same man who said, one year ago, to this same audience: “Anybody who would tell you that we’re keeping files or dossiers on the American people knows that’s not true.” You may adjust your interpretations of his speech today accordingly.

:rolleyes:

Capt'n Midnight

Nika Bolokov wrote: »

Looks like there is a big red dot on Ireland in the picture.

FYI our role in this seeing as how lots of multinationals have their EU base here.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/30/irish_watchdog_wont_probe_apple_facebook_over_prism/

On Friday, Reuters reported that the Irish Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (ODPC) had refused to look at the transfers of personal data undertaken by Apple and Facebook to the United States.
...
Reuters reports that an ODPC spokesperson said: "We not consider that there are grounds for an investigation under the Irish Data Protection Acts given that 'Safe Harbour' requirements have been met".

That spokesperson added: "If something is agreed by the European Commission for the purpose of providing safeguards, that ticks a box under our jurisdiction."
...
A final comment: if the Regulation goes ahead, it will be the Irish Commissioner who will be batting for all of Europe’s data subjects. I can’t be the only data subject who thinks that this prospect is getting more unattractive by the hour.

blatantrereg

NY woman visited by police after researching pressure cookers online

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057005799

wolf99

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

That spokesperson added: "If something is agreed by the European Commission for the purpose of providing safeguards, that ticks a box under our jurisdiction."

I wish they'd apply that logic to other things a well, say, um, maybe the citizenry instead of just multi-national corps!! F*!$%£g C*$%s

Khannie

blatantrereg wrote: »

NY woman visited by police after researching pressure cookers online

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057005799

Just came in here to post this. Saw it on reddit. Shocking stuff.

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/

The cover has been blown on an NSA program which collects data on “nearly everything a user does on the internet” even as the debate rages over the secretive US agency's mass surveillance of innocent people.

The XKeyscore program covers emails, social media activity and browsing history and is accessible to NSA analysts with little or no prior authorisation, according to a leaked presentation published by The Guardian today.

Walker34

HI,
has anyone contacted NTL regarding this US Spying/Snooping scandal and what their official and ACTUAL position is on it. Do they participate ?, and is it mentioned anywhere in their stated T&C`s, and if it is could NTL please specify the text, so its legality can be determined relitave to irelands constitution. Russia Today "the only credible news source now" is challenging the NSA`s basis for demanding the extradition of Snowden, and strangly enough no reply to the letter to Eric Holder has so far been receivedas yet.
Jim

Dermot Illogical

Khannie wrote: »

Just came in here to post this. Saw it on reddit. Shocking stuff.

http://openareas.tumblr.com/post/57110075747/clarification-and-update

http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/08/suffolk-county-police-tipped-off-by-employer-not-google/

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23536936

Moto X 'always listening' phone launched by Google's Motorola :pac:



Also there is this site

http://stopprism.eu/index.php?seite=uk&menu=menuu&navi=naviu

Maybe it'll let the EU know how people feel about PRISM

Maybe it's the snoops harvesting email addresses

Who knows ?

Walker34

Hi,
don't be overly surprised if there is a terrorist incident somewhere in the US or Europe which will give the NSA grounds to justify continued and even escalated surveillance of all communication systems. This would be a standard response to the herd starting to get too difficult to deal with. Of course that is a "dammed if you do" and "dammed if you dont" kinda dilemma. The counter argument is that Prism did not prevent the four big attacks of the last 10 years.
John

Capt'n Midnight

Walker34 wrote: »

Hi,
don't be overly surprised if there is a terrorist incident somewhere in the US or Europe which will give the NSA grounds to justify continued and even escalated surveillance of all communication systems. This would be a standard response to the herd starting to get too difficult to deal with. Of course that is a "dammed if you do" and "dammed if you dont" kinda dilemma. The counter argument is that Prism did not prevent the four big attacks of the last 10 years.
John

What do you mean surprised ?

There were mass escapes of prisoners recently and there's embassys shut and travel warnings. Have a read up on the Patriot act, what new powers do you think they need that they don't already have ??

And what of the six* big attacks that they prevented ?


*number may vary according to how much they are looking for in next years budget

Walker34

But there is huge discontent worldwide with this Spying debacle, as revealed by Snowden......so to protect Prism and prevent Obama from being forced to scrap it, the CIA/NSA will need to create incidents to justify its retention. I`m old enough to remember "The Gulf Of Tonkin incident", which was the false flag manufactured to justify the escalation of the war in Vietnam. This is just the same procedure all over again.

They will do something similar now which will also give Nethenyahoo an excuse to attack Iran........we haven't had a war in over 3 years. we just cant go on like this!

Amirani

This say a hell of a lot: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/encrypted-email-service-thought-to-be-used-by-snowden-shuts-1.1489372

Pretty much implies that every content host in the US is co-operating with the Federal Government in providing information. If there was any doubt before, there's not now. Content privacy can't be protected by US companies.

This sets a massive precedent with a company in "free-market" USA being effectively forced to shut down because it doesn't do what the Federal Government wants.

wolf99

looks like th eFBi are cracking down on darknet:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/fbi-name-irishman-as-largest-facilitator-of-child-porn-on-net-29468433.html

Looking at the articles on the dailydot though, it seems that they dont have the same access to this corner of the web as they do to the likes of Google, Apple, etc

Also... Does anyone know if the US made a second extradition request of Ireland for Snowden after the last one failed?

Capt'n Midnight

If there is one other tip people can take from all this

If you want privacy don't use Windows. It's a safe bet that there are always some vulnerabilities that allow remote code execution on windows systems. It's just a question of whether anyone is going to bother targeting you specifically, and even that doesn't offer any protection against random attacks or systematic trawling or targeting groups.

http://bit.ly/17dkgQk :pac:

I'm not saying that MacOSX or other OS's are any better, just saying that there is no point in being paranoid if you are going to use windows.


eg: If you're using the Tor Browser Bundle

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23587620

Legitimate users of the Tor anonymous browsing service are being advised to stop using Windows if they want to keep their identity hidden.

The advisory comes after an attack on Tor that targeted Windows users sought to gather data that could be used to identify people.

https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-announce/2013-August/000089.html

SUMMARY:
This is a critical security announcement.

An attack that exploits a Firefox vulnerability in JavaScript [1]
has been observed in the wild. Specifically, Windows users using the
Tor Browser Bundle (which includes Firefox plus privacy patches [2])
appear to have been targeted.

...

IMPACT:
The vulnerability allows arbitrary code execution, so an attacker
could in principle take over the victim's computer

wolf99

With the recent splurge of malware targeted at Linux and mac platforms it is reasonable to assume that whoever is exploiting the vulnerabilities could just as easy switch to targeting other platforms if that is where the majority of the target user base moves to.

To paraphrase Eric Schmidt, if you have something you don't want anyone to know, don't put in a place that's connected to everyone (i.e. a networked computer - whatever it's running).

Deliverance XXV

BBC report on U.S encrypted email services being forced to comply and slammed into silence.

Two encrypted email services have closed down for reasons linked to US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden.

Texas-based Lavabit service has shut down but said legal reasons prevented it explaining why.

Correspondents say Lavabit appears to have been in a legal battle to stop US officials accessing customer details.

In addition, secure communications firm Silent Circle has shut its email service because messages cannot be kept wholly secret.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23627656