Dairy cattle export

Sam Kade

Has the dairy cattle export market opened up again? I see a few ads on donedeal looking for heifers for export. Or is it just dealers seeing what bargains they can get?

Atlantic Dawn

I recall seeing a shipment from Rosslare on the news recently, think destination was Libya.

quadboy

Think i saw before incalf heifers going to russia http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/agri-business/russian-livestock-importers-look-to-ireland-for-pedigree-heifers-supply-94699.html From a few years ago

Sam Kade

Anyone know what they are offering for incalf heifers?

Sam Kade

quadboy wrote: »

Think i saw before incalf heifers going to russia

That was last year they don't seem to be sending them this year due to the schmallenberg virus.

quadboy

Oh right im way off the ball so

freedominacup

quadboy wrote: »

Oh right im way off the ball so

For once no:eek:

stanflt

Had lad from uk looking for incalf heifers for September - must be batches of at least 12

Heifers need to have a milk index of plus 240kg milk , milk recorded dams and classified dams

1900-2200

delaval

stanflt wrote: »

Had lad from uk looking for incalf heifers for September - must be batches of at least 12

Heifers need to have a milk index of plus 240kg milk , milk recorded dams and classified dams

1900-2200

I have a guy from Somerset looking for Autumn calving heifers (commercial) not too much Holstein. He won't get them in Ireland me thinks as he wants 130 of them!!!!
Maybe Bob could sort him

moy83

delaval wrote: »

I have a guy from Somerset looking for Autumn calving heifers (commercial) not too much Holstein. He won't get them in Ireland me thinks as he wants 130 of them!!!!
Maybe Bob could sort him

I was in athenry mart thursday for a few minutes and some lad had about 30 calved cows , they were 1st, 2nd and 3rd calvers going for between 500 to 750 euros . There was no talk of milk index or ebi but they had reasonable bags of milk on them
I thought it was crap money for them , but there was no one there to buy that kind of beast I suppose .

dar31

sold 40 to a lad up north last week, just have to hang on to them for an extra week as he didnt have enough grass for them.

moy83

dar31 wrote: »

sold 40 to a lad up north last week, just have to hang on to them for an extra week as he didnt have enough grass for them.

Why are you selling now dar if you dont mind me asking ? I was wondering about the lad on thursday why didnt he milk them on now while there was grass growing and factory them in autumn when they started costing money to keep . Is it a quota thing ?

dar31

moy83 wrote: »

Why are you selling now dar if you dont mind me asking ? I was wondering about the lad on thursday why didnt he milk them on now while there was grass growing and factory them in autumn when they started costing money to keep . Is it a quota thing ?

its part of the business, we breed every thing to black & white, calve them down then sell on the surplus, between autumn and spring we would sell about 60+ depending on superlevy and demand for stock.
it was though going selling stock earlier in the year as every one was watching feed and money.

loveta

There seem s to be a big demand for july & august calving stock in the uk prices ive being quoted "from dealers might i add" is from 11-1400 euros depending on the animal and age.

jaymla627

loveta wrote: »

There seem s to be a big demand for july & august calving stock in the uk prices ive being quoted "from dealers might i add" is from 11-1400 euros depending on the animal and age.

think the whole uk thing is being driven by the tb epidemic they have at the present time, with herds of cows being slaughtered at will, looking at british farming forum its pretty serious with one herd of 700 going down with 300 reactors in one test, another story of a 200 cow herd that was built up over 30 years having 100 go down in a test, the crazy thing over there is culilng of badgers isnt allowed and once you have a cow show up inconculsive or showing signs of tb its slaughtered within a week pretty crazy carry on

quadboy

jaymla627 wrote: »

think the whole uk thing is being driven by the tb epidemic they have at the present time, with herds of cows being slaughtered at will, looking at british farming forum its pretty serious with one herd of 700 going down with 300 reactors in one test, another story of a 200 cow herd that was built up over 30 years having 100 go down in a test, the crazy thing over there is culilng of badgers isnt allowed and once you have a cow show up inconculsive or showing signs of tb its slaughtered within a week pretty crazy carry on

There starting the badger cull one of these days, lasts weeks countryfile ep they were in ireland seeing how it was working out here and what else was being done.

delaval

dar31 wrote: »

sold 40 to a lad up north last week, just have to hang on to them for an extra week as he didnt have enough grass for them.

My neighbour sold 30 north also €1500 but had to give him pick of the herd to get that money.
He had tried earlier but no takers and like us all needed to sell. Market very depressed.
Stock sales are s large part our business, has been really good for years but market very depressed at the mo.
We had one buyer from Ireland last Spring all other stock to Uk.
For the last 3 yes most of our heifer or cows go to the uk. Serious lack of cash and lads pissed off I'd say

whelan1

do ye think the fact people couldnt sell these heifers will affect superlevy next year?

Sam Kade

delaval wrote: »

My neighbour sold 30 north also €1500 but had to give him pick of the herd to get that money.
He had tried earlier but no takers and like us all needed to sell. Market very depressed.
Stock sales are s large part our business, has been really good for years but market very depressed at the mo.
We had one buyer from Ireland last Spring all other stock to Uk.
For the last 3 yes most of our heifer or cows go to the uk. Serious lack of cash and lads pissed off I'd say

There was some fella asking on here about a month ago about buying friesian maiden heifers to sell on calved next spring. I told him how bad the situation was and that he would lose money on them but he went ahead and bought them regardless.

Sam Kade

whelan1 wrote: »

do ye think the fact people couldnt sell these heifers will affect superlevy next year?

It will affect the superlevy badly as there will be no superlevy

Tipp Man

Sam Kade wrote: »

It will affect the superlevy badly as there will be no superlevy

There most definately will be a super levy I believe

Sam Kade

Tipp Man wrote: »

There most definately will be a super levy I believe

What makes you think that?

whelan1

Tipp Man wrote: »

There most definately will be a super levy I believe

right have a question, due to terrible weather here there is no hope of me filling my quota- again- so if ye where me would ye put some into tempoary leasing- only 2 cpl or what would ye do, not buying in stock but have loads of replacements coming on stream

delaval

whelan1 wrote: »

right have a question, due to terrible weather here there is no hope of me filling my quota- again- so if ye where me would ye put some into tempoary leasing- only 2 cpl or what would ye do, not buying in stock but have loads of replacements coming on stream

Lease 40 cows that should do it

td5man

delaval wrote: »

Lease 40 cows that should do it

How much does it cost to lease cows?
Who is responsible if something happens a cow?

Tipp Man

Tipp Man wrote: »

There most definately will be a super levy I believe

Sam Kade wrote: »

What makes you think that?

Couple reasons

1) The vast majority of dairy farmers in the country have too many cows for quota
2) loads of fellas are pushing cows on with lots of dairy nuts to generate cash flow to make up for last year of feedng
3) price good so fellas prepared to pay levy nxt year
4) weather is now excellent, it could be a very productive summer
for milk
5) glanbia and dairygold have dramatically increased supply in the last few weeks, along with Kerry this is what determines if there is a levy or not, I believe glanbia for definite and probably dairygold will be over quota

loveta

Tipp Man wrote: »

Couple reasons

1) The vast majority of dairy farmers in the country have too many cows for quota
2) loads of fellas are pushing cows on with lots of dairy nuts to generate cash flow to make up for last year of feedng
3) price good so fellas prepared to pay levy nxt year
4) weather is now excellent, it could be a very productive summer
for milk
5) glanbia and dairygold have dramatically increased supply in the last few weeks, along with Kerry this is what determines if there is a levy or not, I believe glanbia for definite and probably dairygold will be over quota

There was a form here earlier in the year wondering about a superlevy and my thoughts were if we got a normal grass year with the amount of stock in the country and the high milk price lads will lash the cow juice out to try and increase cash flow to pay bills.But we had s@#te grass growth then a wash out well with us any ways which left me wondering will the guys with the low volume type cows not have missed there peak now or will they be able to turn it on again

Timmaay

Hmm I'm still on the fence about quotas this year, the June supply will tell a good part of the story I think. Slight change of topic, what does anyone predict in 2014 ha? I'd personally say without a shadow of doubt we'll push over in 2014, bar another disaster worse than the last 12months! I know that moving forward, I'll certainly have enough heifers on the ground to push over then, but to be geared up for 2015 paying some superlevy will most likely be worth it. The only thing that might save the sting then is if farmers calf down later in 2015 on purpose, less milk in the bulk tank before the end of the year on March 31st? Or is that a stupid idea and not worth the risk of messing up your average calving date moving forward ha?

delaval

Timmaay wrote: »

Hmm I'm still on the fence about quotas this year, the June supply will tell a good part of the story I think. Slight change of topic, what does anyone predict in 2014 ha? I'd personally say without a shadow of doubt we'll push over in 2014, bar another disaster worse than the last 12months! I know that moving forward, I'll certainly have enough heifers on the ground to push over then, but to be geared up for 2015 paying some superlevy will most likely be worth it. The only thing that might save the sting then is if farmers calf down later in 2015 on purpose, less milk in the bulk tank before the end of the year on March 31st? Or is that a stupid idea and not worth the risk of messing up your average calving date moving forward ha?

Caling later will never be rectified and you are creating a stick to beat yorself.

Sam Kade

td5man wrote: »

How much does it cost to lease cows?
Who is responsible if something happens a cow?

I asked him the same question he's holding though keeping his cards close to his chest :mad:

whelan1

Sam Kade wrote: »

I asked him the same question he's holding though keeping his cards close to his chest :mad:

but if people are going to milk on will there be cows available for leasing?

delaval

Sam Kade wrote: »

I asked him the same question he's holding though keeping his cards close to his chest :mad:

If that is directed to me you will find answer in cow leasing thread.
Regarding price, you are all well able to do your own deal.

milkprofit

Timmay
Please explain the economics of your statement
I'll certainly have enough heifers on the ground to push over then, but to be geared up for 2015 paying some superlevy will most likely be worth it.

Timmaay

milkprofit wrote: »

Timmay
Please explain the economics of your statement
I'll certainly have enough heifers on the ground to push over then, but to be geared up for 2015 paying some superlevy will most likely be worth it.

Only an idea I thought up, I haven't put any figures on it, the economics of it might be totally flawed, but sure lets try put some figures on it. Say all the milk that you supply from those heifers will all get a superlevy fine, assume they calf down on average Feb1st, so that would be say 60days of milk over quota, assume each heifer gives out on average 20L/day, that works out 60*20*0.28, or 336 euros of a fine you get. The question is would it be worth pushing them out to calf in April in 2015, try to pull them back a month to calf in say march 1st in 2016, and back to Feb 1st in 2017. Of course this would need heifers with very very good fertility to achieve, the opposite could happen, they go later and you end up having to cull! It wouldn't really suit a spring milking only herd either, but someone in winter milk could let them milk on. Anyways, as I said, only an idea I had, I don't know what figures to put on the slippage of the calving dates from feb 1st for the 3yrs, it could be well more than the 336 saving of a superlevy fine.

But even if its a stupid idea, it still raises the question, how much of a superlevy is it worth going over in late 2014 by, just so as you have the milk in the tank come 2015. Ie if you are on target for your quota in 2014 with normal cow numbers, but a bunch of new heifers push you over quota, and each one costs you the 336euro figure I mentioned above, will they go much into making that back up over 2015, or are farmers better off thinking about expansion come spring 2016 instead?

And of course, of course, all this totally assuming we even go over quota in 2014/15 ha!

blackdog1

One thing people are forgetting is that there probably won't be enough fodder in the country for all the cattle this winter. Expect mass selling of stock in October and November. This in turn will have a massive effect on the superlevy situation. Also later calving dates. Can't see a problem in 2013 but will be a problem in 2014

jaymla627

Looking at the journal and having been to a good few farm walks the last couple of months it seems that 90% of the bigger sized herds are all planning on cutting back numbers/selling incalf heifers along with the threat of a superlevy , wherez the market going to come from for these heifers, the demand just isnt going to be there can safely say if beef price stays high anyone with good sized fat dairy cows in the autumn not incalf should factory them and will proberly be able to replace them with a nice incalf heifer with maybe a 100 euro along with the factory cheque, brilliant time to be buying dairystock though if yeah have the funds.
My guess is 1000 euro will cutout the run of incalf heifers that will be for sale this autumn could go even lower.

whelan1

we offloaded a good few pb aa weanlings last week and are now thinking of buying some calved dairy cows- i know i am eating my words here- anyone know of any?

delaval

whelan1 wrote: »

we offloaded a good few pb aa weanlings last week and are now thinking of buying some calved dairy cows- i know i am eating my words here- anyone know of any?

Send a group text to the members of your discussion group and I'd say you'll get all the cows you need. Do not buy late calvers.
You can now check to cows on icbf or the seller can supply you with catalogue of sale.

whelan1

we should be due to have a group meeting this week... there are some lads that are away with the fairies on price though

delaval

whelan1 wrote: »

we should be due to have a group meeting this week... there are some lads that are away with the fairies on price though

The ball should be well in your court.
Put an ad on Ifj you'll be beating them away

whelan1

delaval wrote: »

The ball should be well in your court.
Put an ad on Ifj you'll be beating them away

too dear to put an ad in the journal, might go on dd

Sam Kade

whelan1 wrote: »

too dear to put an ad in the journal, might go on dd

Any time I answered a wanted ad they were either dealers looking for half price livestock or they will tell you they are busy now ring back later.

whelan1

there where a good few wanted ads on the last few days they too looked like dealers

Sam Kade

You could contact a few marts some of them do farm to farm sales.

delaval

Sam Kade wrote: »

You could contact a few marts some of them do farm to farm sales.

Good idea. Dairy sale in KK mart regularly. Give them a call I get text for each sale will kero you posted.
It's a really good spot for sq bf strong type cows (dovea ai).
056-7721407

keep going

get a cattle trailer for the hubbies lorry and head down to west cork and you wont return empty

whelan1

DID that last year went to laois and bought 10 cows

simx

whelan1 wrote: »

DID that last year went to laois and bought 10 cows

In a mart or private?

whelan1

private

milkprofit

whelan1 wrote: »

too dear to put an ad in the journal, might go on dd

add cost 10 e in ifj
Will be selling 30 home breed in autumn

whelan1

milkprofit wrote: »

add cost 10 e in ifj
Will be selling 30 home breed in autumn

yes, its too dear... alot of guys dont buy journal anymore sold all our angus bulls this last few years without advertising in the journal