Some people make me sick

Jester252

http://m.limerickleader.ie/news/leader-local/dog-lured-to-its-death-by-university-of-limerick-students-in-drunken-game-1-5146594

I don't know how someone could to that. I am ashamed to be a UL student.

garv123

The people involved in that are nothing but absolute scum and nothing to do with being a student or not.

Ave Sodalis

This is horrendous. I think I know which dog it was too. Horrible people to do something like that to a poor dog and then just jeer. As an animal lover, this sickens me.
I do not, however, believe that the fact they were students from UL needed to be in that article. That piece of information was tarnishing and irrelevant. I couldn't give a damn if they were from UL, LIT or not from Limerick at all, it was still terrible.

therewillbe

Scum!:mad: Any hope of them being done for Animal cruelty?:mad:

thomond2006

Horrendous incident but how do they seem so sure that it was university students? It could equally be secondary school students celebrating end of year no? Aren't most UL students gone from campus or am I missing something?

In any case I hope the perpetrators are brought to justice.

ProfanityURL

You would imagine most students would be well gone from college court at this stage. OP I don't think there's any need for you to be ashamed to be a UL student, these individuals are not representative of UL or the majority of the students in UL, the fact that they are from UL is irrelevant. They're just scum, students or not, although if the individuals responsible are involved the should hopefully face disciplinary action from the university.

certifiedcrepe

The people posting on facebook are taking it way too far. Saying UL should be shut down, and all students should be put down? I really love dogs, I'm the weakest person ever but if anyone did that to any of my dogs I would actually kill them, but all the facts are not known. There is no hard evidence that the people were even from UL. As ProfanityURL said "You would imagine most students would be well gone from college court at this stage" which is true. Why would people be celebrating their exams finishing two weeks after they have actually finished?

I also don't think there's a need to be ashamed to be a UL student. Should we be ashamed as Irish people for the likes of Larry Murphy, the Catholic Church and the IRA? & whoever else.

It is a really sad story though, I really hope this post hasn't caused anyone offence.
I hope the truth is found & justice is served.

Jester252

I'm ashamed to be a ul student because I could be linked to such scum. I, like them, decided to go to UL. I never decided to be Irish. It just makes me sad that there could be these types of people in UL.

J_E

Kind of suspicious about the student claim, would like that to be confirmed before pointing the finger. Either way, I think it's a pretty terrible thing to do.

reunion

Terrible thing if it happened. I wonder why the person who saw this incident didn't say anything to the individuals involved before a dog potentially got hurt/murdered.

While a terrible game; the driver should have also seen what the people were doing and have driven slower.

The person who saw this should have contacted the gardai instead of waiting to contact a paper.

freyners

Have a few things to say on this, none of them are really linked too well so its easier if i just list them

1.)Whoever committed this act, whether they are UL students, 2nd level students or random people in the area, are made of a special kind of evil and I hope they are caught. No excuses can be made for people who act in that way, its cruel twisted behaviour no matter what your background is, how your upbringing was or whether or not you had been drinking. I'm a massive dog lover and the thought of what happened to that dog turns my stomach.

2.) Is anyone aware of when this was supposed to have happened? Judging by when the article was published it would seem unlikely it was students. AFAIK exams finished on the 20th. Who the hell stays in college court for another 10 days? I stayed behind a couple of days after my last exam on the 18th but was moved home way before this seemed to happened. A firm date of when this happened would help a lot

3.) The majority of the people on the FB page are not worth engaging. Their mind is made up about what happened and are just demanding their pound of flesh without bothering to think if their is something more to this story. The SU are quite correct in not engaging with them until a better understanding of what happened is obtained. Its similar to any other big FB scandal in the past year, the Madison nightclub fiasco having a lot in common. People are going to jump on this as their latest bandwagon to show how they deep they are and how up to date they are with the scandals in the country.

4.) I saw on FB that Adam said that out of a 400 word plus statement he gave, they published only a very selective part (circa 63 words). Words and statements are very easily misconstrued when taken on their own without the full context being published/known. If this is true then shame on the Leader, for such a harrowing story, they owe a duty to publish what Adam said in full

5.) I'm a UL student with one degree concluded (barring any repeats) and about to start a masters. UL students got tarred by a big brush by the actions of a minority of people that may/may not be students. But to say you are ashamed to go here because of the actions of a couple of scumbags is an over reaction imo.

SarahBeep!

The amount of idiots commenting on the SU facebook is ridiculous.

That's nice, we know you're disgusted. But how in the name of god are the SU going to 'name and shame' the responsible people!!

They may not even go to UL!!

My god, make extra space on the bandwagon that's going nowhere!

This is a matter for the Gardaí and LSPCA so I don't know why everyone's trying to get the SU to do something. Do they want the sabbats to go out dressed as Sherlock and Watson and solve the mystery themselves??

garv123

SarahBeep! wrote: »

The amount of idiots commenting on the SU facebook is ridiculous.

That's nice, we know you're disgusted. But how in the name of god are the SU going to 'name and shame' the responsible people!!

They may not even go to UL!!

My god, make extra space on the bandwagon that's going nowhere!

This is a matter for the Gardaí and LSPCA so I don't know why everyone's trying to get the SU to do something. Do they want the sabbats to go out dressed as Sherlock and Watson and solve the mystery themselves??

Did you see the group started on facebook? :pac: they demand a public apology from the SU.

UL have said they were told by gardai that no one reported the incident but yet they´re all going mad on facebook

freyners

https://www.facebook.com/ulstudentsunion/posts/10151911482972787

Statements from ULSU and UL

freyners

garv123 wrote: »

Did you see the group started on facebook? :pac: they demand a public apology from the SU.

UL have said they were told by gardai that no one reported the incident but yet they´re all going mad on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/PetitionToExpelTheUlStudentsWhoLuredADogToItsDeath

This group?

talk about bandwagonning

martingriff

Jester252 wrote: »

I'm ashamed to be a ul student because I could be linked to such scum. I, like them, decided to go to UL. I never decided to be Irish. It just makes me sad that there could be these types of people in UL.

You are ashamed to be a UL student why. As an Allumni of UL I am not ashamed to have gone there and be associated with the university what I am ashamed of is people who think we are all like them and people like you who don't stand up and show that we are not and are as disgusted as everyone else. That is of course they are students.

Why the quote of never decided to be Irish. I am proud to be Irish I am proud of my past. There are people like this in every county in Ireland and in every Country in the word we are not special in that way. If you think we are then you are very deluded. I suggest you read about the rescent troubles in India and Brazil in terms of rape.

There are horrible bad people everywhere it up to the good to show it is the minority and not to coward away and say I am ashamed

Precious flower

That horrible who could do this to an poor innocent dog!:mad: How sick are some people?!:( Hope they get caught! It has nothing to do with them being UL students so I'm not sure why everyone is ashamed. These lads and the people who jeered, were sick human beings, just because they're in third level students in UL doesn't automatically mean they're upstanding citizens of Ireland if they were students at all!

Jester252

martingriff wrote: »

You are ashamed to be a UL student why. As an Allumni of UL I am not ashamed to have gone there and be associated with the university what I am ashamed of is people who think we are all like them and people like you who don't stand up and show that we are not and are as disgusted as everyone else. That is of course they are students.

Why the quote of never decided to be Irish. I am proud to be Irish I am proud of my past. There are people like this in every county in Ireland and in every Country in the word we are not special in that way. If you think we are then you are very deluded. I suggest you read about the rescent troubles in India and Brazil in terms of rape.

There are horrible bad people everywhere it up to the good to show it is the minority and not to coward away and say I am ashamed

Why can't I be ashamed? I know a lot of people who were ashamed of being Irish after the incident in Galway last year.
Well we both attended the same university that also educates the accused dog killers. I have ever right to be ashamed that the university that I choice to attend could have allowed these scum into it. Its another black mark on UL poor record that the university is trying to improve. During my time in UL I met what seemed like most of the university and everyone seemed so nice but this made me change my view on the average UL student.

garv123

Jester252 wrote: »

Why can't I be ashamed? I know a lot of people who were ashamed of being Irish after the incident in Galway last year.
Well we both attended the same university that also educates the accused dog killers. I have ever right to be ashamed that the university that I choice to attend could have allowed these scum into it. Its another black mark on UL poor record that the university is trying to improve. During my time in UL I met what seemed like most of the university and everyone seemed so nice but this made me change my view on the average UL student.

What? ah here come on now.. The university does not screen every single leaving cert person and check to see if they have committed any prior juvenile offences.. Which university would?
You apply for a space. put in the effort in the leaving and get you're place and thats it..
How is it ULs fault for letting these people in ? If it turned out it was students I guarantee these people probably haven't a single black mark to their name prior to this that someone could even notice and say "no you're not welcome here, you might kill a dog"

Ave Sodalis

Jester252 wrote: »

Why can't I be ashamed? I know a lot of people who were ashamed of being Irish after the incident in Galway last year.
Well we both attended the same university that also educates the accused dog killers. I have ever right to be ashamed that the university that I choice to attend could have allowed these scum into it. Its another black mark on UL poor record that the university is trying to improve. During my time in UL I met what seemed like most of the university and everyone seemed so nice but this made me change my view on the average UL student.

Why would one incident that has only occurred once, by people it hasn't been confirmed are actually from UL and even if they were, don't hold the same values towards animals as anyone else... change your view on the average UL student?
You can be ashamed if you want, that's your choice. UL (if it was students) wouldn't know that was the type of people they allowed in. It's not exactly on the CAO and it's very rare person who would purposely kill a dog.

Jester252

garv123 wrote: »

What? ah here come on now.. The university does not screen every single leaving cert person and check to see if they have committed any prior juvenile offences.. Which university would?
You apply for a space. put in the effort in the leaving and get you're place and thats it..
How is it ULs fault for letting these people in ? If it turned out it was students I guarantee these people probably haven't a single black mark to their name prior to this that someone could even notice and say "no you're not welcome here, you might kill a dog"

I know how the LC works. I never said its was UL fault. I am just disgust that the University I attended is now linked to such an act.

martingriff

Jester252 wrote: »

Why can't I be ashamed? I know a lot of people who were ashamed of being Irish after the incident in Galway last year.
Well we both attended the same university that also educates the accused dog killers. I have ever right to be ashamed that the university that I choice to attend could have allowed these scum into it. Its another black mark on UL poor record that the university is trying to improve. During my time in UL I met what seemed like most of the university and everyone seemed so nice but this made me change my view on the average UL student.

Allowed them really they pick and chose there entrants and here was me thinking it was by CAO points well I look like I FELL SO SPECIAL NOW:rolleyes:. They got in the same way you did and how could they have known. That is if they are students. And if you think they represent the average student then I don't know what to think I mean why the HELL DID YOU GO THERE THEN. With that incident in Galway people were not ashamed to be in Ireland but ashamed it could happen in Ireland a very big difference.

martingriff

Jester252 wrote: »

I know how the LC works. I never said its was UL fault. I am just disgust that the University I attended is now linked to such an act.

Yes you did read your own message I and another poster have it in bold in our replies to you. You said you are ashamed they allowed them in my mind that means you held UL responsible to allowing them to study there.

garv123

Jester252 wrote: »

I know how the LC works. I never said its was UL fault. I am just disgust that the University I attended is now linked to such an act.

What martin said.

Jester252

martingriff wrote: »

Yes you did read your own message I and another poster have it in bold in our replies to you. You said you are ashamed they allowed them in my mind that means you held UL responsible to allowing them to study there.

Sigh I was talking about the maturity levels. I hope that people attend 3rd level will have a bit of cop on but that seem to not be the case. To allow people like these into 3rd level is just shameful

garv123

Jester252 wrote: »

Sigh I was talking about the maturity levels. I hope that people attend 3rd level will have a bit of cop on but that seem to not be the case. To allow people like these into 3rd level is just shameful

How do you suggest colleges now check for maturity levels? sit people down and say "boobies" and see if they giggle?

How would you suggest they stop people like this getting into third level when they have no idea who it is?

seen2Bgreen

Were they definitely UL students?

martingriff

Jester252 wrote: »

Sigh I was talking about the maturity levels. I hope that people attend 3rd level will have a bit of cop on but that seem to not be the case. To allow people like these into 3rd level is just shameful

And again please explain how UL or any university/college is meant to do this. It looks like you realised what you wrote down was wrong and you don't want to admit it. Were you not just talking about matiurity

garv123

seen2Bgreen wrote: »

Were they definitely UL students?

One resident claims they were by the look of em. thats definite proof

martingriff

seen2Bgreen wrote: »

Were they definitely UL students?

No one knows but according to the person who set up the facebook page the wife was sure they were UL students.

Jester252

martingriff wrote: »

And again please explain how UL or any university/college is meant to do this. It looks like you realised what you wrote down was wrong and you don't want to admit it. Were you not just talking about matiurity

Sigh I am ashamed that people like them could make it into a UL. After years of eduction they still don't have any sort of cop on and are just kids in adult bodies. It show how bad eduction in this country is that these people don't know basic human interaction.

martingriff

Jester252 wrote: »

Sigh I am ashamed that people like them could make it into a UL. After years of eduction they still don't have any sort of cop on and are just kids in adult bodies. It show how bad eduction in this country is that these people don't know basic human interaction.

Okay but it does not answerIt that salient point that you used then tried to say you did not say it and then tried to cover it up with an excuse how is it UL fault they were allowed in. Was it UL fault they were allowed in yes or no.

How does education help with basic human interaction. Scumbags are just scumbags and again a point made numerous times we are not sure if it is UL students.

MajesticDonkey

Jester252 wrote: »

Sigh I am ashamed that people like them could make it into a UL. After years of eduction they still don't have any sort of cop on and are just kids in adult bodies. It show how bad eduction in this country is that these people don't know basic human interaction.

You do actually realise what alcohol does to people?

thomond2006

Someone on facebook is saying that the Gardaí still haven't got a complaint/report of an incident.

This is all getting very strange indeed.

Jester252

martingriff wrote: »

Okay but it does not answerIt that salient point that you used then tried to say you did not say it and then tried to cover it up with an excuse how is it UL fault they were allowed in. Was it UL fault they were allowed in yes or no.

How does education help with basic human interaction. Scumbags are just scumbags and again a point made numerous times we are not sure if it is UL students.

Their fools who drank to much. If we taught people better maybe they would have some sense regarding drinking. It a shame that these fool can make it to a 3rd level education and not have any bit sense.

martingriff

Jester252 wrote: »

Their fools who drank to much. If we taught people better maybe they would have some sense regarding drinking. It a shame that these fool can make it to a 3rd level education and not have any bit sense.

I am not going for the excuse they killed a dog because they were drunk. That is a cop out. I know plenty of people who have got wasted myself included and never thought once hey know what be fun lets try and kill a dog. So no do not blame drink for that. It can be blamed for a lot of things. These people (who may have been students) are scumbags plain and simple

ProfanityURL

thomond2006 wrote: »

Someone on facebook is saying that the Gardaí still haven't got a complaint/report of an incident.

This is all getting very strange indeed.

This could all turn out to be complete rubbish, I certainly know of one college court resident who wouldn't be below fabricating a story to bring UL students into disrepute. If it does a lot of angry people are going to look very silly indeed.

Jester252

martingriff wrote: »

I am not going for the excuse they killed a dog because they were drunk. That is a cop out. I know plenty of people who have got wasted myself included and never thought once hey know what be fun lets try and kill a dog. So no do not blame drink for that. It can be blamed for a lot of things. These people (who may have been students) are scumbags plain and simple

But drink was a factor. Don't try a defend that. Its never a cop out. If the person was more mature instead of a kid then the incident might not of happened.
I this whole story is a lie it reflects worse on students of UL that a person would require to tell this lie in order to try and get help with the student "problem"

beerfart

Its all shenanigans, I hope they catch the person who sent in the fake letter.
The story has so many flaws its not even funny, no complaint was ever made to the Guards by anyone who witnessed what happened.
Students finished their exams two weeks ago, not that it matters if there were doctors, bin-men,students if the lies were true.

Do people believe everything they read in the paper? Come on like. The disgruntled neightbour also said there was tire marks on the ground from the students trying to tip over his car. I used to live in the area, its all bull. It was also an anonymous letter

thomond2006

ProfanityURL wrote: »

This could all turn out to be complete rubbish, I certainly know of one college court resident who wouldn't be below fabricating a story to bring UL students into disrepute. If it does a lot of angry people are going to look very silly indeed.

If the letter is a complete fabrication, do UL have a case for libel? There could also be the issue of wasting police time?

garv123

thomond2006 wrote: »

If the letter is a complete fabrication, do UL have a case for libel? There could also be the issue of wasting police time?

The person who "saw it" didnt report it to the guards so he wasnt wasting their time..

probably why it wasnt reported :pac:

thomond2006

garv123 wrote: »

The person who "saw it" didnt report it to the guards so he wasnt wasting their time..

probably why it wasnt reported :pac:

Sorry, of course.:o

Skyrim

Why are people so certain it was UL Students? Until the full facts of this event are accounted for, it would be foolish to do so.

YFlyer

garv123 wrote: »

How do you suggest colleges now check for maturity levels? sit people down and say "boobies" and see if they giggle?

Sorry.

chrislad

The reaction to UL in regards to this is borderline ridiculous. Firstly, the story isn't even proven - it was a letter sent into the Limerick Leader, which was reported with an abundance of bias - there's nothing in that article that conclusively identified them as students, yet the headline clearly states it was UL students, with their asses covered by 'DRUNK UL students lured a dog to its death in a sick game, says a local resident'.

It's one persons letter, a totally one sided one - people may say the lack of a response is damning enough, but without proof or a garda investigation to prove otherwise, wouldn't it be fairer to believe the incident never happened? Innocent until proven guilty, perhaps?

What do people expect UL to do? It's not a UL issue as it appears to have happened outside of UL property, outside of the UL semester, which ended on May 20th or so. It's like blaming a persons employer for what a person does outside of work. This is not an issue for UL to deal with, nor is it a media problem to solve, it's a criminal matter. The person who sent in the letter should have contacted the Gardai there and then, and, assuming it happened as in the letter, the proper authorities would have had a better chance of catching the scum.

To be honest, I think ULs reaction, if they are seeing the same picture we are (ie unconfirmed reports from one person), is perfect as it is. It's a Garda issue, and UL will respond in light of actual confirmed facts, not mob mentality. To be honest, being ashamed of going to UL because of it, or thinking it will tarnish the colleges reputation is pretty stupid thinking. If you were to judge the majority based on a minority, we'd all be behind bars.

spurious

It's another triumph of bad parenting.

I don't care how much you've drunk, if you have been brought up with an ounce of respect for yourself, or other people, or other people's property or other living things, you would not do this.

Ave Sodalis

spurious wrote: »

It's another triumph of bad parenting.

Oof, you haven't a shread of proof for this one either. I hate this cop out, it's worse than drinking in my opinion. I know plenty of parents who try their very best but there is only so much a parent can do. Yeah, sometimes it is bad parenting but you can't state that unless you know it for fact.

martingriff

Jester252 wrote: »

But drink was a factor. Don't try a defend that. Its never a cop out. If the person was more mature instead of a kid then the incident might not of happened.
I this whole story is a lie it reflects worse on students of UL that a person would require to tell this lie in order to try and get help with the student "problem"

I do not buy that as an excuse the drink did not make them do it. I have been drunk a number of time I know people who have been too and never once did we think you know what lets kill an animal.

I agree with you the story seems suspicious now but I do not agree that the student problem is such a big problem as people are making it out. There are a few bad apples and everything should be done to prove its the exception but there is also people who don't like students period and want to paint them as much as possible in a bad light and if this is a way to try that then it is a new low and they should be named and shamed

seen2Bgreen

I hope they're not UL students, then everyone who alleged that they were will look like idiots.

Jester252

martingriff wrote: »

I do not buy that as an excuse the drink did not make them do it. I have been drunk a number of time I know people who have been too and never once did we think you know what lets kill an animal.

I agree with you the story seems suspicious now but I do not agree that the student problem is such a big problem as people are making it out. There are a few bad apples and everything should be done to prove its the exception but there is also people who don't like students period and want to paint them as much as possible in a bad light and if this is a way to try that then it is a new low and they should be named and shamed

But according to the letter drink was involved and it can't be ingorned.
However if the the letter is fake questions still have to be asked. Why would someone do this? You can't just say that they hate student.

reunion

Drink is not the reason this happened; drink is the excuse someone wants to use. I still believe the driver should have been going much slower and should have seen what was happening.

Jester252 wrote: »

But according to the letter drink was involved and it can't be ingorned.
However if the the letter is fake questions still have to be asked. Why would someone do this? You can't just say that they hate student.

Maybe it's a conspiracy by the residents of elm park (can't find that facebook group anymore!) to get rid of students.