Battle of Ballybofey!

harpsman

2 days to go. Whos your money on? Where do you think it'll be won and lost?

I ve a slight fancy for Donegal myself, main reason being that im not convinced by Tyrones attack-the incomparable ONeill apart. I reckon Donegal might be better able to grind out a few extra scores in a battle of attrition-I hope Tyrone dont go and score 3-20 now and make me look a right mug.

corny

I thought Tyrone set the bar for intensity and work rate in the league. Very interested to see how Donegal match up.

Nothing in it i'd imagine but i'll go for Donegal because they're better at finding the net in these encounters.

donegal11

Tyrone win, poor league from Donegal, all ireland medal in the bag so same hunger mightn't be there against a younger fresher Tyrone.

romeosensini

Donegal by 3+....

Always_Running

Looking forward to this game I think both sides will have August football regardless of the result. Imagine how huge this game would be if it was a knock out.

Tom Joad

Fancy Tyrone to nick it by a point or two - just sense they have been waiting in the long grass for this one. Will be some match one way or the other with winners looking odds on for Ulster title. Still wouldn't fancy meeting the losers in the back-door..

K-9

Tyrone have a hell of a lot of talent, stopping Cavanagh is obviously crucial, Donnelly and McAliskey big threats. Both teams have largely nullified each other in the last 2 years, with Donegal holding the edge. McBearty is in big form, U-21 and club league, he might be that that extra option Donegal need besides Murphy and McFadden.

Expect hugely cynical fouling, be it from the Donegal FF line and whoever is in the HF line. Foul early, funnel back and avoid 50/60 metre Morgan frees.

Dirty Dingus McGee

I want to see Tyrone go 5 or 6 points in front in the first 20 minutes and see how good Donegal are at chasing a game they haven't had to do it much in the Jim McGuinness era if at all.

shiibata

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I want to see Tyrone go 5 or 6 points in front in the first 20 minutes and see how good Donegal are at chasing a game they haven't had to do it much in the Jim McGuinness era if at all.

2 years ago against Tyrone in Ulster semi, Donegal were 5 down after about 20 mins...

Davin Stand

Very hard game to call, but I have 10 euro on Tyrone at 7/4. Hopefully, I will be collecting later this evening.

kala85

I think Donegal will do it just about by two. Hopefully it will be a good game. Joe McQuillin is refereeing it, but I dont really rate him as a ref.

davegrohl48

Tyrone have added more than the improved form of McBrearty. Lacy/McGee are they 100%? Tyrone by 3/4 Will be listening online as this will be white heat stuff

Defiler Of The Coffin

This will be a tough one to call but I can see Tyrone taking this one by a couple of points. A few super-scores from O'Neill will be required however!

Poor_old_gill

It's a fairly strange state of affairs when as a neutral- I'm cheering on Tyrone as they are the less cynical of the 2 teams

downthemiddle

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It's a fairly strange state of affairs when as a neutral- I'm cheering on Tyrone as they are the less cynical of the 2 teams

Interesting that the man who mattered didn't see it that way. What was the card count in the match?

Red Pepper

Awful game really. Didn't expect a great game to be fair.

After 50 mins I decided I am not going to waste any more Summer days watching GAA football matches where my county is not involved. I've spent too many years watching the box on Sat/Sun afternoons and most of the games were very forgettable.

The standard of football is getting worse and worse so I cant justify watching any more full matches. I'll wait for the Quarters. Just to think of all the violence and cheating I will miss in the interim.

ArnoldJRimmer

Red Pepper wrote: »

Awful game really. Didn't expect a great game to be fair.

After 50 mins I decided I am not going to waste any more Summer days watching GAA football matches where my county is not involved. I've spent too many years watching the box on Sat/Sun afternoons and most of the games were very forgettable.

The standard of football is getting worse and worse so I cant justify watching any more full matches. I'll wait for the Quarters. Just to think of all the violence and cheating I will miss in the interim.

Good, I'm delighted to hear this news. The game can do without 'fans' like yourself who slag the game off at every opportunity.

As for the game, I thought it was very enjoyable. Good, tough Ulster Championship game, with some great scores. Shame Tyrone lost their discipline to the extent they did in the last 20 mins, but overall, a great game

Always_Running

I thought i was a decent game Tyrone lost their discipline and Morgan left on frees was poor management from Harte. Tyrone will have to improve if they want to reach the last eight it's going to take a top side to stop Donegal.

corny

corny wrote: »

Nothing in it i'd imagine but i'll go for Donegal because they're better at finding the net in these encounters.

Turned out that way. Very even game up to the second goal, actually i thought Tyrone were marginally the better team to that point. Donegal will take a bit of beating again this year by the looks of it. Tyrone lost their way a little bit and the positional changes (O' Neill and Cavanagh) and substitutions really didn't help. They lost the heads and their structure.

Just a footnote on that, i despise the Donegal tactics of trying to 'kill the game' in the last 20. Diving, rolling around, getting involved looking for a reaction. They looked to distract the Tyrone lads and sadly they succeeded. Not that Tyrone wouldn't have done the same thing had they been in front; just find it sad there's no honesty in the top teams these days.

Poor_old_gill

corny wrote: »

Turned out that way. Very even game up to the second goal, actually i thought Tyrone were marginally the better team to that point. Donegal will take a bit of beating again this year by the looks of it. Tyrone lost their way a little bit and the positional changes (O' Neill and Cavanagh) and substitutions really didn't help. They lost the heads and their structure.

Just a footnote on that, i despise the Donegal tactics of trying to 'kill the game' in the last 20. Diving, rolling around, getting involved looking for a reaction. They looked to distract the Tyrone lads and sadly they succeeded. Not that Tyrone wouldn't have done the same thing had they been in front; just find it sad there's no honesty in the top teams these days.

I agree completely with your footnote- the game is becoming more and more tedious to watch which is worrying.

Neeson

I enjoy watching these ulster games. Good to see some hard hitting stuff along with the skill.

bohsboy

Good hard game. The keeper's inexperience of gesturing to the crowd after kicking a point (his only?) came back to bite him. If Tyrone had kept the head in the last ten it could have been a lot closer.

Donegal did to them what Tyrone have been doing for years, shoving them round and getting in their faces.

robbiezero

Tyrone managed to win a lot of breaking ball at midfield and did very well on kickouts, particularly Donegals own kickouts. This really kept them in the game, as they struggled to create scoring chances all through.
Donegal had more options for scoring with the power and pace in their full forward line. They could kick it long, high, work it up handpassing at pace etc. Tyrone only had frees and some brilliant long range scores, but really had to work hard to get them. They were a lot poorer than I thought they would be, very little threat up front, corner backs roasted.

Once Donegal got parity at midfield after the first 10 minutes of the first half it was game over.
Going to be interesting to see if any team will live with the pace and power of Donegal. I'm not sure if there is any team with their physical size, they really are a huge team.

corny

robbiezero wrote: »

Tyrone managed to win a lot of breaking ball at midfield and did very well on kickouts, particularly Donegals own kickouts. This really kept them in the game, as they struggled to create scoring chances all through.
Donegal had more options for scoring with the power and pace in their full forward line. They could kick it long, high, work it up handpassing at pace etc. Tyrone only had frees and some brilliant long range scores, but really had to work hard to get them. They were a lot poorer than I thought they would be, very little threat up front, corner backs roasted.

I don't agree, creating the chances wasn't the problem for Tyrone it was taking them. They'd 10 points each at the end, Donegal had 4 frees and Tyrone converted two. Tyrone created more opportunities but were far more profligate in taking them. I'm guessing here but i'd say Tyrone had more shots at the target, especially in the first half. At the other end Donegal were ruthlessly efficient in putting away their chances. Just as it was 2 years ago the goals really separated the teams.

robbiezero

corny wrote: »

I don't agree, creating the chances wasn't the problem for Tyrone it was taking them. They'd 10 points each at the end, Donegal had 4 frees and Tyrone converted two. Tyrone created more opportunities but were far more profligate in taking them. I'm guessing here but i'd say Tyrone had more shots at the target, especially in the first half. At the other end Donegal were ruthlessly efficient in putting away their chances. Just as it was 2 years ago the goals really separated the teams.

Donegal were ruthlessly efficient because most of their shots were from the scoring zone and were good chances. Tyrone relied on long pots at goal and 50/60 yards frees, and so were always going to be more profligate than Donegal.
Other than Murphys long range free or two, none of the Donegal scores were hugely difficult.

corny

robbiezero wrote: »

Donegal were ruthlessly efficient because most of their shots were from the scoring zone and were good chances. Tyrone relied on long pots at goal and 50/60 yards frees, and so were always going to be more profligate than Donegal.
Other than Murphys long range free or two, none of the Donegal scores were hugely difficult.

Thats not true, their chances were no worse than Donegals. Only two were from any distance- Sean and maybe Colm Cavanaghs. The rest were very scoreable.

And Tyrone took just two chances from frees so they didn't rely on '50/60 yard frees'. Donegal on the other hand relied on 4 frees and had just 6 points from play 3 of which came in the last 15 minutes when the game was over. Superior scoring options?

K-9

corny wrote: »

I don't agree, creating the chances wasn't the problem for Tyrone it was taking them. They'd 10 points each at the end, Donegal had 4 frees and Tyrone converted two. Tyrone created more opportunities but were far more profligate in taking them. I'm guessing here but i'd say Tyrone had more shots at the target, especially in the first half. At the other end Donegal were ruthlessly efficient in putting away their chances. Just as it was 2 years ago the goals really separated the teams.

robbiezero wrote: »

Donegal were ruthlessly efficient because most of their shots were from the scoring zone and were good chances. Tyrone relied on long pots at goal and 50/60 yards frees, and so were always going to be more profligate than Donegal.
Other than Murphys long range free or two, none of the Donegal scores were hugely difficult.

Think you're both right in a way! Probably Tyrone's biggest miss was Donnelly's point! It was a tight enough angle, but watching the Sunday Game Sean Cavanagh was available to pass to, that would have made a huge difference.

Economy and efficiency were the exact same terms I thought of, though ruthless is probably a better one, think it was 4 wides today, 2 by Murphy and the other 2 were just passes that went too long and are a bit irrelevant.

Tyrone had their period of dominance during the middle of the first half and the start of the second, which I'm sure they'd have targeted as that's usually the period Donegal kill teams off, but they conceded goals at the end of both.

As Spillane said and there's a lot of truth in it, keep Sean Cavanagh and O'Neill relatively quiet, and there's not a lot left, particularly when the goalkeeper trick fails, I doubt you'd see Cluxton showboating like that. When you consider that they are 2 of the 3 survivors from 03, Gormley the other had a good first half but much less influential in the second, it does pose huge questions about Tyrone.

For Donegal it's a huge win while not at their best, with Lacey and McHugh having time to get back to 100% fitness, it's just very hard to see any big obstacles to a third Ulster ina row and a Q/F in Croker, no disrespect at all to the other teams in Ulster.

Oh, and the added new aspect Donegal and McGuinness brought that Harte spoke about during the week was a roaming Murphy, created the first goal and was in the small square when McMahon tripped him. With McBrearty on fire and McFadden the most clinical forward in the country, it'll be interesting as the championship goes on.

overshoot

corny wrote: »

Thats not true, their chances were no worse than Donegals. Only two were from any distance- Sean and maybe Colm Cavanaghs. The rest were very scoreable.

And Tyrone took just two chances from frees so they didn't rely on '50/60 yard frees'. Donegal on the other hand relied on 4 frees and had just 6 points from play 3 of which came in the last 15 minutes when the game was over. Superior scoring options?

6pts and 2 goals.... i hate all this talk of frees tho, lets face it most of them from donegal were well within scoring range, seems tyrones werent today!
plenty of their scores were much more difficult to take, donnelly (dunno how he didnt get a card first half with some of his off the ball antics) one form out wide, donegal definately created easier scoring oppertunities for themselves.

robbiezero

corny wrote: »

Thats not true, their chances were no worse than Donegals. Only two were from any distance- Sean and maybe Colm Cavanaghs. The rest were very scoreable.

And Tyrone took just two chances from frees so they didn't rely on '50/60 yard frees'. Donegal on the other hand relied on 4 frees and had just 6 points from play 3 of which came in the last 15 minutes when the game was over. Superior scoring options?

To beat Donegal they were going to have to score long pots and bag a good percentage of those 50/60 yards frees. They didnt and so were quite well beaten.
Whereas Donegal had plenty avenues of attack.

corny

robbiezero wrote: »

To beat Donegal they were going to have to score long pots and bag a good percentage of those 50/60 yards frees. They didnt and so were quite well beaten.
Whereas Donegal had plenty avenues of attack.

I knew you were basing your opinion on accepted wisdom and not what actually happened.

robbiezero

corny wrote: »

I knew you were basing your opinion on accepted wisdom and not what actually happened.

You said "creating the chances wasn't the problem for Tyrone it was taking them".

My argument is that the they didn't create much easy chances, they created long range frees and long shots and not that many really good chances, as opposed to Donegal.
The point is Donegal were ruthlessly efficient and hit few wides due to their ability to create chances within a decent scoring zone.
Tyrone were profligate bacause they were forced to try long shots i.e. Gormley, McMahon, C Kavanagh all driving long range efforts wide.
Donegal hardly took on a single long range shot.

bke

any idea why no one from Tyrone spoke to RTE afterwards?

ProudDUB

Mickey Harte has been boycotting RTE for the past couple of seasons, due to what he perceived to be a slur on his deceased daughter.

corny

robbiezero wrote: »

You said "creating the chances wasn't the problem for Tyrone it was taking them".

My argument is that the they didn't create much easy chances, they created long range frees and long shots and not that many really good chances, as opposed to Donegal.
The point is Donegal were ruthlessly efficient and hit few wides due to their ability to create chances within a decent scoring zone.
Tyrone were profligate bacause they were forced to try long shots i.e. Gormley, McMahon, C Kavanagh all driving long range efforts wide.
Donegal hardly took on a single long range shot.

They had two. McFadden and a Murphy free from distance. So if Tyrone scored 10 points, two were frees and one (maybe two) were from any distance how many 'easy' chances does that leave? Answer=about the same as Donegal created.

Also, Peter Harte had a shot blocked on the line, Mattie Donnelly was one on one with the keeper, O' Neill missed a handy enough free and Morgan was 1 from 5 or 6 whereas in the league final he was 5 from 5 from similar distances. All examples of poor execution/nerves and not the 'quality of the chances' affecting the result.

robbiezero

corny wrote: »

They had two. McFadden and a Murphy free from distance. So if Tyrone scored 10 points, two were frees and one (maybe two) were from any distance how many 'easy' chances does that leave? Answer=about the same as Donegal created.

Also, Peter Harte had a shot blocked on the line, Mattie Donnelly was one on one with the keeper, O' Neill missed a handy enough free and Morgan was 1 from 5 or 6 whereas in the league final he was 5 from 5 from similar distances. All examples of poor execution/nerves and not the 'quality of the chances' affecting the result.

Oh fine then.
The only difference between the two teams was that Donegal took their chances, Tyrone didn't.
I was wrong in thinking that the better team won comfortably.

Stoner

Tyrone have taken some hidings over the past few years now, I think it was 2011 that Dublin won and Tyrone had a huge amount of wides, the Tyrone management spoke of the fact that the kicking was all under huge pressure and it was not necessarily that they were inaccurate more that they was so much pressure on the ball.
I think that was similar today but there was a mix of trying to kick it before the pressure was put on the ball. Either way Donegal look fit and very strong. They are the main contenders now IMHO. I can't see the Mayo or Dublin back line dealing with them or their forwards getting big tallies up. Looking at the game today from a Dublin perspective, I'm opening myself up for a pasting here, but a fit O'Gara could be an important option against the Donegal back line, kieran Donaghy could get in around them too.

Donegal do look good, but Tyrone could also be not as good as we thought they might be. I thought Harte was poor today and when he was given the ball he took some poor options, a couple of important moves broke down when he had the ball, he'd hold on to it, run around and play it back.

Of the teams left in it Cork might have the best tools to deal with Donegal, but I though that last year too.

corny

robbiezero wrote: »

Oh fine then.
The only difference between the two teams was that Donegal took their chances, Tyrone didn't.
I was wrong in thinking that the better team won comfortably.

You weren't wrong, the better team normally does that.;)

robbiezero

Stoner wrote: »

Tyrone have taken some hidings over the past few years now, I think it was 2011 that Dublin won and Tyrone had a huge amount of wides, the Tyrone management spoke of the fact that the kicking was all under huge pressure and it was not necessarily that they were inaccurate more that they was so much pressure on the ball.
I think that was similar today but there was a mix of trying to kick it before the pressure was put on the ball. Either way Donegal look fit and very strong. They are the main contenders now IMHO. I can't see the Mayo or Dublin back line dealing with them or their forwards getting big tallies up. Looking at the game today from a Dublin perspective, I'm opening myself up for a pasting here, but a fit O'Gara could be an important option against the Donegal back line, kieran Donaghy could get in around them too.

Donegal do look good, but Tyrone could also be not as good as we thought they might be. I thought Harte was poor today and when he was given the ball he took some poor options, a couple of important moves broke down when he had the ball, he'd hold on to it, run around and play it back.

Of the teams left in it Cork might have the best tools to deal with Donegal, but I though that last year too.

Agree with you on Peter Harte, thought he was very ponderous in possession today. Looked like a corner back playing as a forward.

K-9

corny wrote: »

They had two. McFadden and a Murphy free from distance. So if Tyrone scored 10 points, two were frees and one (maybe two) were from any distance how many 'easy' chances does that leave? Answer=about the same as Donegal created.

Also, Peter Harte had a shot blocked on the line, Mattie Donnelly was one on one with the keeper, O' Neill missed a handy enough free and Morgan was 1 from 5 or 6 whereas in the league final he was 5 from 5 from similar distances. All examples of poor execution/nerves and not the 'quality of the chances' affecting the result.

I don't remember McFadden missing anything, he generally doesn't, Murphy created a chance from play in the first half and missed, he missed a long range free in the second, if my memory is right, Donegal basically missed nothing today. Tyrone were very good at not conceding easy frees, something that'll get forgotten today, but might stand them in good stead as the season goes on.

If Morgan put over a couple of them frees, Cavanagh and O'Neill got a couple of points from long range, could have been a different match. A couple of them wides were gettable, not under significant pressure.

Stoner wrote: »

Tyrone have taken some hidings over the past few years now, I think it was 2011 that Dublin won and Tyrone had a huge amount of wides, the Tyrone management spoke of the fact that the kicking was all under huge pressure and it was not necessarily that they were inaccurate more that they was so much pressure on the ball.
I think that was similar today but there was a mix of trying to kick it before the pressure was put on the ball. Either way Donegal look fit and very strong. They are the main contenders now IMHO. I can't see the Mayo or Dublin back line dealing with them or their forwards getting big tallies up. Looking at the game today from a Dublin perspective, I'm opening myself up for a pasting here, but a fit O'Gara could be an important option against the Donegal back line, kieran Donaghy could get in around them too.

Donegal do look good, but Tyrone could also be not as good as we thought they might be. I thought Harte was poor today and when he was given the ball he took some poor options, a couple of important moves broke down when he had the ball, he'd hold on to it, run around and play it back.

Of the teams left in it Cork might have the best tools to deal with Donegal, but I though that last year too.

O'Neill and Cavanagh had time to kick long range points, they just didn't do it, whether that's psychological because they expected the pressure to be there, and just didn't realise they had time, I don't know. Maybe the pressure is so intense that you just expect somebody bearing down on you, even seasoned pros like them.

Put it this way, Cavanagh put those type of speculative shots over in an All Ireland final against Kerry and won them an AI. Harte used Cavanagh as a roving player in 08 and won an AI, it didn't work today, Murphy did. I don't think Cavanagh has the legs for that anymore, he looked rattled.

robbiezero wrote: »

Agree with you on Peter Harte, thought he was very ponderous in possession today. Looked like a corner back playing as a forward.

He's a fine player, but there are times you do understand why Tyrone fans are so frustrated about him.

Stoner

It would be interesting to see how many hand passed points Tyrone got in that final against Kerry compared to today.

K-9

Stoner wrote: »

It would be interesting to see how many hand passed points Tyrone got in that final against Kerry compared to today.

The Cavanagh long range beauties stand out for me.

I'd wonder if Tyrone fisted points more than anybody else, it might be down to perception and urban myth, the Sunday Tribune! did an excellent stat analysis of the 98 Galway vs. Kildare final and showed the "long ball" perception of Galway did not stack up at all, they hand passed as much as Kildare, if not more. It's funny how perceptions can stand the test of time more than hard facts.


The fisted point is a prevalent and sometimes infuriating part of the game now, though it has its place, McBrearty today when 4/5 points up a good example, 5 minutes previously he's the awareness to pick out Wherrity.

Just on that, McBrearty has the potential to be better than Murphy, a worrying thought for the other 31 counties!

shiibata

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Tyrone have added more than the improved form of McBrearty. Lacy/McGee are they 100%? Tyrone by 3/4 Will be listening online as this will be white heat stuff

oops..:o

jive

A 6 point difference is significant considering the conditions but I don't think the scoreline is reflective of the game, it was closer than it appears. Morgan missed some important frees (albeit somewhat speculative ones) which would have put a bit of pressure on Donegal and may have spurred Tyrone on a bit more. On another day Tyrone might have taken it but ultimately Donegal took their scores when it mattered most and Tyrone simply didn't.

I believe Morgan had 1 from 6, he really needs to land more than that if Tyrone are to beat Donegal should they meet again in this years Championship. If he can't hit score with more consistency then Tyrone would be better suited to just keeping possession from the free rather than kicking it dead 84% of the time from 45-55m. Despite the fact he looks a bit of a knob now given his premature celebration after 1 from 2 attempts, I'd imagine he'd be more accurate in better conditions. Deserved win for Donegal but Tyrone were unlucky.

nice_guy80

I thought it wasn't a great game of football

Maybe that is just me

Not one decent game of football so far this year on the tv

Why was the Kerry game shown yesterday?
It should have been Wicklow v Longford.

robbiezero

jive wrote: »

A 6 point difference is significant considering the conditions but I don't think the scoreline is reflective of the game, it was closer than it appears. Morgan missed some important frees (albeit somewhat speculative ones) which would have put a bit of pressure on Donegal and may have spurred Tyrone on a bit more. On another day Tyrone might have taken it but ultimately Donegal took their scores when it mattered most and Tyrone simply didn't.

I believe Morgan had 1 from 6, he really needs to land more than that if Tyrone are to beat Donegal should they meet again in this years Championship. If he can't hit score with more consistency then Tyrone would be better suited to just keeping possession from the free rather than kicking it dead 84% of the time from 45-55m. Despite the fact he looks a bit of a knob now given his premature celebration after 1 from 2 attempts, I'd imagine he'd be more accurate in better conditions. Deserved win for Donegal but Tyrone were unlucky.

I didn't think it was that close to be honest. A close game should go into the last 5 minutes with the winner still unknown. After 53 minutes it was 2-8 to 9 points. Game over with 20 minutes left. The last 15 minutes were just playing out the clock.

intellectual dosser

I agree that the teams were closer than the scoreline reflected, but I cant decide if Donegal overachieved, or if Tyrone underachieved.

Tyrone's long distance free taker must return more than 16.6% if they are to have a chance of being alive by August. Sure, Donegal were cute not to give frees inside the 45 away, but top teams must have a decent option of scoring anything inside 50. Michael Murphy showed that late in the first half, I thought it was a crucial score.

Tyrone's discipline was also cause for concern, I know Donegal teased it out of them but Tyrone should have been well prepared for that. In my opinion Joe McMahon should have walked for the stamp/kick he got yellowed for.

Tyrone are still the team NOT to get in the qualifiers.

Tom Joad

Hats off firstly to Donegal - we should know at this stage never to write them off!! They should win Ulster now and have another long summer ahead. I wonder if this season will be the last hurrah of Mickey Harte's Tyrone - they have been planning their whole year, since the draw was made, around this game and to come up so short will be a bitter one to swallow. That's three Ulster's in a row they have lost to Donegal and the conveyor belt of talent from underage is not what it was - I still fancy them to progress through the qualifiers but a quarter final is a far as they will go.

robbiezero

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I agree that the teams were closer than the scoreline reflected, but I cant decide if Donegal overachieved, or if Tyrone underachieved.

Tyrone's long distance free taker must return more than 16.6% if they are to have a chance of being alive by August. Sure, Donegal were cute not to give frees inside the 45 away, but top teams must have a decent option of scoring anything inside 50. Michael Murphy showed that late in the first half, I thought it was a crucial score.

Tyrone's discipline was also cause for concern, I know Donegal teased it out of them but Tyrone should have been well prepared for that. In my opinion Joe McMahon should have walked for the stamp/kick he got yellowed for.

Tyrone are still the team NOT to get in the qualifiers.

I didnt think he should have even got a yellow card for that. If you hold on to a guys legs, he is entitled to try and kick himself free.

intellectual dosser

robbiezero wrote: »

I didnt think he should have even got a yellow card for that. If you hold on to a guys legs, he is entitled to try and kick himself free.

I'd be shocked if the rules entitled a player to deliberately kick an opponent in the chest - you have that handy?

robbiezero

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I'd be shocked if the rules entitled a player to deliberately kick an opponent in the chest - you have that handy?

He didnt deliberately kick him in the chest, he kicked back trying to free his leg and caught his opponent in the chest.
If it deserved a yellow card, then so did the guy who held his leg.

Ceist_Beag

ProudDUB wrote: »

Mickey Harte has been boycotting RTE for the past couple of seasons, due to what he perceived to be a slur on his deceased daughter.

More like "due to what was an outrageous slur on his deceased daughter" tbh. I'm no huge fan of Harte but I fully support his stance against RTE and fair play to his Tyrone team for backing him in it.