Is 19K salary acceptable?

noeld932

Hey guys,

Basically, I'm 19 and have never worked before.. until now. I have done 8 weeks work experience with a small company and they decided they're gonna take me on. They said they'll put me on 19k and 6 month probation.
I was hoping for something around the 22k-25k..

But this is my first job, should I be happy with what they offered? Also, does anyone know how much my take home pay will be? After all the tax etc.. As I can't work it out myself.


Cheers!!

bruce wayne

according to the tax calculator on the Delotte website

Annual Net Income €17,091.00
Monthly Net Income €1,424.00
Weekly Net Income €329.00

http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_IE/ie/insights/irish-budget-2013/tax-calculator-2013-irish-budget/

Giblet

You're 19 and have no work experience? You should be happy, I know people out of college on that.
It works out at around €1,424 a month in your pocket.

Skatedude

In this economy? Take it unless you have other offers. Experience is worth more than the cash at your age

tom890

Sounds about right as a starting salary with little experience. Make yourself important and review when you're in a stronger position. Climate out there is an employers market right now and will be for a while......

LowKeyReturn

I'd be delighted in this climate.

cronos

25k is nut's as an expectation. Most graduates just start on that, some are more lucky and start on 30k. But that's after the expense of college.

theidiots

Hard even for graduates to get 25k, perhaps the ones with a 2.1 or 1st class. Starting wages for most graduates these days is around 21k

hfallada

Ask them to put your salary as €18,300 so you can avoid paying PRSI at 4%. Once you pay over €18,300 you pay PRSI meaning if you earn €20,000 you get €17,781 after prsi but if you earn €18,300 you get €17,340 net PRSI.

PRSI is such a disincentive to work for low income earners

Anto Bean

You would only be getting 5k on the dole.

endacl

If you take the job, you'd be a young fella with a job. If you don't, you'll be a young fella without a job.

Which would you rather be? There's an awful lot of the latter about at the moment...

Phantasos

Take the job, and you can still keep looking for other jobs in the interim.

It's MUCH easier to find work if you're currently employed. Don't think of it as low wages, think of it as a paying stepping stone to something better.

Take the job and make the most of it! I'd give my eye teeth to get a job at even minimum wage! You're so lucky. You have no experience, so I think it's great money to be starting on.

sozbox

Take it! In 6 months you can review the salary. Try to see it as a starting point not an indication of your worth.

I am pie

Take it, go to the pub, by yourself a pint and congratulate yourself for getting a job which pays a good starting salary for a young lad with no qualifications.

kippy

To determine how "good" the salary is, you'd have to state what you will be doing and what your hours will be.


Without knowing that, it's hard to know how "acceptable" it is.

On face value however, at 19, 19K per annum isn't a bad wage, no matter what you do.

Ray Palmer

hfallada wrote: »

Ask them to put your salary as €18,300 so you can avoid paying PRSI at 4%. Once you pay over €18,300 you pay PRSI meaning if you earn €20,000 you get €17,781 after prsi but if you earn €18,300 you get €17,340 net PRSI.

PRSI is such a disincentive to work for low income earners

You don't get the tax system at all. You simply get less money if you ask for less. While you will be taxed more it will only be on the amount above the threshold. 700-(4%+ income tax) > 0

Zeek12

It may sound pretty poor but if you've nothing better on the horizon, you should certainly take it. I know plenty of experienced professionals who lost jobs in the last few years and ended up in new jobs that only pay in the mid-20k range. TBH, they were just happy to find another job, thats the way things are right now. And very few new graduates are going to walk straight into a high-paying job; you need to build up your experience first. Think long-term.

If you perform well and prove yourself as an asset to the company, your salary will rise in time. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Pilotdude5

I was on that at 18. I would do anything to get that amount now.

dearg lady

Ray Palmer wrote: »

You don't get the tax system at all. You simply get less money if you ask for less. While you will be taxed more it will only be on the amount above the threshold. 700-(4%+ income tax) > 0

Incorrect. If a person earns less than €352 per week they pay no PRSI. If a person goes over this they pay PRSI on all their income. Assuming class A, it will be at 4%

RealistSpy

Well I think pay depends on the job and the location.

theidiots

RealistSpy wrote: »

Well I think pay depends on the job and the location.

Not for a 19 year old lad who I presume at 19 has no qualifications

noeld932

Hey guys,
I'll give you a bit more info on my background.

I'm 19 and I did a Software Development in FÁS. As part of the course we had to get work placement for 2 months. The company that I chose has decided to take me on as a Junior Software Developer.
My starting salary is 19k and I'm on a 6 month probation period.
I'm just wondering will my salary be reviewed after the probation period is over?

Also, my boss said to me today that there's a new thing now that if you you were on JSA and did a FAS course, then the tax for him and me are lowered and I get more tax credits, or something along those lines..

Wanderer2010

cronos wrote: »

25k is nut's as an expectation. Most graduates just start on that, some are more lucky and start on 30k. But that's after the expense of college.

Eh? How many people do you know who had a starting salary of 30k? I have researched a lot of jobs of different types (construction, IT, admin, childcare etc) and I have never seen a grad salary past 28k and that was seeking a Masters in their area. Its rare to see 30k as starting in this day and age where most companies are saving a fortune by hiring Job-Bridges to do the jobs a lot of the paid staff wont or cant do.

DaisyD2

noeld932 wrote: »

Hey guys,
I'll give you a bit more info on my background.

I'm 19 and I did a Software Development in FÁS. As part of the course we had to get work placement for 2 months. The company that I chose has decided to take me on as a Junior Software Developer.
My starting salary is 19k and I'm on a 6 month probation period.
I'm just wondering will my salary be reviewed after the probation period is over?

Also, my boss said to me today that there's a new thing now that if you you were on JSA and did a FAS course, then the tax for him and me are lowered and I get more tax credits, or something along those lines..

Well done! Its not easy to get kept on after Work Experience let alone at a decent rate of pay for - in your own words - a 19yro with no previous experience.

It sounds like your Boss likes your work & if you keep that up I don't why you wouldn't be kept on at end of probation period or why your salary would not be reviewed. Under terms & conditions of the employment is there anything about pay scales or progression? I would think these would be reviewed from time to time & linked to performance but in meantime your earning a decent wage for your age & gaining valuable experience.

Also incentives for employers to keep staff on after Fas work experience isn't new - I started out on something similiar 20yrs ago for £70IR punts at the time which he agreed to raise to £90 when I said I was off to New Zealand at 20

Just cos you take this job on this salary doesn't mean your there for rest of your life if you don't want to be - best of luck

LowKeyReturn

Retail grad jobs would start at 30K plus easily. All I'll say is it isn't worth it.

Other professions would be Solicitors in a Top 5, Accountants and Doctors. Perhaps engineering but I'm not familiar with the industry.

theidiots

Ur 19, getting experience and lucky to have the job. Took me nearly 7 months to get a job after graduating with a computer science degree. Count yourself lucky. The wages will go up when you get more experience. Don't be too greedy yet! Your only 19!

x43r0

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Eh? How many people do you know who had a starting salary of 30k? I have researched a lot of jobs of different types (construction, IT, admin, childcare etc) and I have never seen a grad salary past 28k and that was seeking a Masters in their area. Its rare to see 30k as starting in this day and age where most companies are saving a fortune by hiring Job-Bridges to do the jobs a lot of the paid staff wont or cant do.

Not trying to be flash or anything but I started on much more than 30k. With qualifications in the right area I think there are still companies out there paying very good money

efb

OP, sounds good. Take it.

Piriz

well done OP your on the right track...get stuck in...work hard and learn fast...prove that you add value to the company by the end of the probationary period and after a years experience you can expect a pay increase...

Wanderer2010

Jimmy Savile is Innocent wrote: »

Not trying to be flash or anything but I started on much more than 30k. With qualifications in the right area I think there are still companies out there paying very good money

I cant think of any offhand to be honest and I research a lot of jobs as part of my own job, The sectors like science and engineering and in some cases software development are the main high earners for graduates but since the recession hit in, these employers can afford to lower their salary and also get JobBridge people to do a lot of the grunt work. There may be companies out there willing to hire starters at 30k but I havent seen any as of yet!

sock puppet

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

Retail grad jobs would start at 30K plus easily. All I'll say is it isn't worth it.

Other professions would be Solicitors in a Top 5, Accountants and Doctors. Perhaps engineering but I'm not familiar with the industry.

Accountants usually start off on very low salaries (I know one guy on 14k or something) as the firm usually pays for their exams.

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I cant think of any offhand to be honest and I research a lot of jobs as part of my own job, The sectors like science and engineering and in some cases software development are the main high earners for graduates but since the recession hit in, these employers can afford to lower their salary and also get JobBridge people to do a lot of the grunt work. There may be companies out there willing to hire starters at 30k but I havent seen any as of yet!

I was offered a graduate role as an IT consultant where the salary was 30k. I think all the big IT consulting firms pay around that. I looked into a few other jobs in IT where the salary was around 30k too. In finance there are a few very high paying graduate roles, not many of them in Ireland though.

Piriz

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I cant think of any offhand to be honest and I research a lot of jobs as part of my own job, The sectors like science and engineering and in some cases software development are the main high earners for graduates but since the recession hit in, these employers can afford to lower their salary and also get JobBridge people to do a lot of the grunt work. There may be companies out there willing to hire starters at 30k but I havent seen any as of yet!

Occupational Therapist, Physiotherapist, Social Worker start on 34k

freeze4real

Take the job.

kippy

sock puppet wrote: »

Accountants usually start off on very low salaries (I know one guy on 14k or something) as the firm usually pays for their exams.



I was offered a graduate role as an IT consultant where the salary was 30k. I think all the big IT consulting firms pay around that. I looked into a few other jobs in IT where the salary was around 30k too. In finance there are a few very high paying graduate roles, not many of them in Ireland though.

A recent grad getting an IT Consultant role? Really?
Unless they were someone who had years experience and just recently got some paper to back it up, there is no way they should be "consulting" on anything......


Generally, even now, I would think there are very few graduates in any field who are on starting salaries of over 30K, and if they are, fair play to them and those that pay them.

OP, fair play to you for getting that offer. Looks like those FAS Courses might be good for something to someone at least.

donegal11

Primary teachers start at over 30k and they were out protesting

jackpension

I started working on £2.35 punt per hour my first summer before entering coellege

Wanderer2010

donegal11 wrote: »

Primary teachers start at over 30k and they were out protesting

I dont think thats the case now though after cuts in the public service over the last few years. Now I belive they start off on between 25k to 27k which is still an excellent rate.

kippy

donegal11 wrote: »

Primary teachers start at over 30k and they were out protesting

Not any more as far as I am aware.

closifer

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I dont think thats the case now though after cuts in the public service over the last few years. Now I belive they start off on between 25k to 27k which is still an excellent rate.

How many just qualified primary teachers do you know who walk into full time job? In fairness - there are usually week of subbing here and there and months spent on the dole. I am not a primary teacher btw! But it not as if they walk out of their degree and into a 27k job

jackpension

Why are there so many people going into teaching? Surely if less pople went into teaching the salary would be higher?

Kinder Bueno

jackpension wrote: »

Why are there so many people going into teaching? Surely if less pople went into teaching the salary would be higher?

6 months holidays per year.

SureYWouldntYa

Kinder Bueno wrote: »

6 months holidays per year.

theres 3 reasons anyone becomes a secondary school teacher

June, July and August

kippy

jackpension wrote: »

Why are there so many people going into teaching? Surely if less pople went into teaching the salary would be higher?

When they keep increasing the class sizes, the amount of teachers required generally dropped. They've also reduced the numbers of specialist teachers as well.
Unfortunately a lot of teaching places became available over the past few years and unfortunately not every one of them has a job at the end of it because of the above issues.

Where the blame for the above lies is open to discussion.

It's still a decent job and things will probably improve but it's like every career in that timing is everything.

jackpension

...oh...and I guess the opportunity to become a politician?

donegal11

kippy wrote: »

Not any more as far as I am aware.

no nearly 31K actually and in the good times around 38K

kippy

donegal11 wrote: »

no nearly 31K actually and in the good times around 38K

Things changed again then, better get my application in for Pats!

donegal11

closifer wrote: »

How many just qualified primary teachers do you know who walk into full time job? In fairness - there are usually week of subbing here and there and months spent on the dole. I am not a primary teacher btw! But it not as if they walk out of their degree and into a 27k job

Does any graduate "walk into a job" ? the starting salary is 31K and before the cuts for new entrants 38k. While subbing they get anywhere from 200 to 140 a day I'll save my sympathy.

jackpension wrote: »

Why are there so many people going into teaching? Surely if less pople went into teaching the salary would be higher?

High Pay, long Holidays,short working day,secure(once you get a job), Pensionable, lack of opportunities in other areas and the fact it's relatively easy to qualify in with the new part internet courses and hard to fail.

Back on topic,19k is fine for someone with no third level ed or no experience and more importantly in an IT role you have the potential to earn serious money later on. But then again as someone else said if your putting in serious hours with no overtime pay and living in Dublin paying rent and having a substantial commute you might have a different view.

Eoin

The OP isn't going into teaching, so let's keep on topic please.

OP - take the job. When you get some experience under your belt, you can start looking around or making a case for better money. But right now, you're not that marketable.

A lot of people seem to think that anyone in IT can walk into a job these days because of the demand, but my recent experience as a hiring manager has been that the demand is for experienced staff. There are tons of people with a little bit of experience applying for development jobs.

There are some IT graduates who start on 30K+, but assuming you didn't get a degree in computer science from FAS, it's not a relevant comparison.

Wanderer2010

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Eh? How many people do you know who had a starting salary of 30k? I have researched a lot of jobs of different types (construction, IT, admin, childcare etc) and I have never seen a grad salary past 28k and that was seeking a Masters in their area. Its rare to see 30k as starting in this day and age where most companies are saving a fortune by hiring Job-Bridges to do the jobs a lot of the paid staff wont or cant do.

Pharmacist- 50,000 euro (albeit only in Dublin)

murphym7

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Eh? How many people do you know who had a starting salary of 30k? I have researched a lot of jobs of different types (construction, IT, admin, childcare etc) and I have never seen a grad salary past 28k and that was seeking a Masters in their area. Its rare to see 30k as starting in this day and age where most companies are saving a fortune by hiring Job-Bridges to do the jobs a lot of the paid staff wont or cant do.

You need to refine your reasearch skills a little so. I work in this space and there are many grad programmes I am aware of that start the grads off on 30+.