Fat-free Cheese

NoQuarter

Where-o-where can I find fat free cheese in Dublin? I've searched al the major shops to no avail.

Anyone see it around?

madma

cottage cheese. you can get that anywhere and its almost fat free. trace of fat in it. aldi's one with chives is lovely

NoQuarter

Oh yeah, I eat cottage cheese daily but I had assumed there was an actual fat-free cheese out there somewhere? A fat-free cheese that's a bit more, well, cheesy? :pac:

Like this:

madma

that's the problem I think..as cheese is high in fat and calories, any fat free versions are not gonna be like it.. just like cottage. I heard cottage on its own is rank but with chives much better so I only get the one with chives.

didn't even think there was any decent fat free cheese. that pic you have there it looks tastey

NoQuarter

madma wrote: »

that's the problem I think..as cheese is high in fat and calories, any fat free versions are not gonna be like it.. just like cottage. I heard cottage on its own is rank but with chives much better so I only get the one with chives.

didn't even think there was any decent fat free cheese. that pic you have there it looks tastey

I've eaten cottage on its own and I must admit, its not great. I'm looking to melt some fat-free cheese on a burger so thats why I'm looking for something moderately like real cheese! Hopefully some knight in shining armor knows where to get some. If you google image fat-free cheese there seems to be loads of varieties.

teacosy

NoQuarter wrote: »

I've eaten cottage on its own and I must admit, its not great. I'm looking to melt some fat-free cheese on a burger so thats why I'm looking for something moderately like real cheese! Hopefully some knight in shining armor knows where to get some. If you google image fat-free cheese there seems to be loads of varieties.

How about a small portion of real cheese?

NoQuarter

teacosy wrote: »

How about a small portion of real cheese?

Now why didn't I think of that, thanks so much teacosy!

hardCopy

Babybel light is the leanest firm cheese I've managed to find at about 12% fat.

Mellor

NoQuarter wrote: »

Now why didn't I think of that, thanks so much teacosy!

You might think he is being smart but its actually a good suggestion.
Low fat versions of cheese taste pretty bland, so you need to use twice as much to get the same flavour. So this ends up being the same or more calories than using a smaller portion of real cheese. Which means its no less fattening, or even more fattening.

rubadub

NoQuarter wrote: »

I'm looking to melt some fat-free cheese on a burger

That's sort of like looking for diet coke to put in high sugar malibu.

At first I thought it was some condition where you had to have zero fat. Tesco do (or did) a reduced fat cheese, it had a higher protein content since the fat was lower (nowhere near fat free). There are also low fat easi singles which would suit burgers

If all the fat is taken out I would not expect it to taste nice, it must be really heavily processed to get it all out.

This is the ingredients of your pictured cheese

INGREDIENTS: Skim Milk Cheese (cultured skim milk, salt, enzymes), nonfat dry milk, water, sodium citrate, natural Cheddar flavor, lactic acid, xanthan gum, locust bean gum, guar gum, paprika and turmeric (color).
Melts Well
No Animal Rennet
Gluten Free

http://www.lifetimecheese.com/products/fat_free_squares/cheddar.html
142kcal per 100g

tesco light easi singles are 170kcal per 100g & 7.6% fat

http://www.tesco.ie/groceries/Product/Details/?id=263277540

If you are simply looking to reduce calories I would ditch the bun, many burger buns have as many or more calories than a 1/4lber burger. You can use iceberg lettuce leaves instead of buns.

NoQuarter

Mellor wrote: »

You might think he is being smart but its actually a good suggestion.
Low fat versions of cheese taste pretty bland, so you need to use twice as much to get the same flavour. So this ends up being the same or more calories than using a smaller portion of real cheese. Which means its no less fattening, or even more fattening.

Considering we are in the diet & nutrition forum, it's quite obvious that there may be specific reasons to look for one foodstuff over another. I asked a question, a very specific one and got a stupid answer.

Considering you can get soya free cheese and lactose free cheese and there are hundreds of fat free products out there, it's entirely reasonable to ask if anyone has seen fat free cheese.

I'm fully aware, as with most fat-free substitutes, that the taste wont be the same, but that's not the point.

Typical boards, you ask the simplest of questions and have a plethora of people dying to hop in with a smart answer. On the nutrition & diet forum, asking for fat-free cheese and raising eyebrows seems a little comical if you ask me.

NoQuarter

rubadub wrote: »

That's sort of like looking for diet coke to put in high sugar malibu.

At first I thought it was some condition where you had to have zero fat. Tesco do (or did) a reduced fat cheese, it had a higher protein content since the fat was lower (nowhere near fat free). There are also low fat easi singles which would suit burgers

No, its not at all like that. The burger is 5% fat, homemade and there is no bun. The 5% fat is a necessity to get the protein that comes with the sirloin mince.

The diet is PSMF. It's imperative to take in as little fat as possible to allow the body to breakdown the fat that's there already. If I am taking in fat with cheese, I'm providing the body with a fat source that I want to be avoiding for the duration of the diet which is only 2 weeks. But cheese on the burger would be nice, it simply must be fat free or else the other option is to go without.

The pictured cheese was merely a random example on google images to show that there are fat free cheeses apart from cottage cheese.

Stench Blossoms

NoQuarter wrote: »

Considering we are in the diet & nutrition forum, it's quite obvious that there may be specific reasons to look for one foodstuff over another. I asked a question, a very specific one and got a stupid answer.

It wasn't a stupid answer.

Yes this is the Nutrition & Diet forum and you'd be amazed at the amount of threads that pop up with people looking for 'fat-free' alternatives for just about everything. Or posting up their diets and it's covered in fat free products.

Don't mean to speak for everyone, but we are mostly anti fat free here.

The media has brainwashed people into thinking that these fat-free products will not make them fat. Fat is not making people fat. Excess calories are making people fat.

I watched something on Channel 4 the other day. It got a group of people, put two cakes in front of them. Told them that one was low fat and that the other was full fat. The people that ate the low fat version ate two or three times more than the people eating the regular version which ultimately meant they ate more calories.

Any excess calories you take in, whether they are carbs, protein or fat can be stored as fat so the reasoning of "take in as little fat as possible to allow the body to breakdown the fat that's there already" really doesn't make sense to me at all.

Mellor

NoQuarter wrote: »

Considering we are in the diet & nutrition forum, it's quite obvious that there may be specific reasons to look for one foodstuff over another. I asked a question, a very specific one and got a stupid answer.

But you didn't mention any specific reasons like PSMF.
99% of the time people are looking for fat free food it's for misguided reasons, they don't understand.
In your case, the advice did not help, but most if the time it does.


There's about 2g of fat in a slice of cheese. I don't think you need to work about it affecting your PSMF. The burger has 7-10g in it.

cosmic

Quark is basically fat free. It can be bought in most supermarkets. It might take a bit of getting used to but I love it and use it a lot. It makes great oat bran pancakes :pac:

NoQuarter

Mellor wrote: »

But you didn't mention any specific reasons like PSMF.
99% of the time people are looking for fat free food it's for misguided reasons, they don't understand.
In your case, the advice did not help, but most if the time it does.


There's about 2g of fat in a slice of cheese. I don't think you need to work about it affecting your PSMF. The burger has 7-10g in it.

I didn't think I needed to explain because it was such a simple question. Perhaps I was a little too harsh then (must be lack of carbs making me grumpy ).

The burger has 4 grams of fat per 175 grams so it's good. And the protein I get from it makes it worth it. I just dont want to take on fat from unnecessary places so I'd rather do without any cheese if I cant get completely fat free cheese.

I'll check out quark, thanks cosmic. Is it this brand: http://www.kilbegdairies.ie/Dairy-Product-Detail.asp?prodId=S206Kilbeg_FatFree_Quark

I was looking for it last week but could'nt find it, yet they had that company's mascarpone stocked.

cosmic

NoQuarter wrote: »

I'll check out quark, thanks cosmic. Is it this brand: http://www.kilbegdairies.ie/Dairy-Product-Detail.asp?prodId=S206Kilbeg_FatFree_Quark

I was looking for it last week but could'nt find it, yet they had that company's mascarpone stocked.

Yep, we sometimes get that one. We'd usually get the Golden Acre one though, purely because it's cheaper, no other reason! Dunnes pretty much always have the Golden Acre.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/390800_297174356980768_101125327_n.jpg

Stench Blossoms

I've seen the Kilbeg's one in Tesco as well.

hardCopy

I don't think Quark would really work on a burger, the consistency is closer to yoghurt than cheddar.

thegreatiam

if you are on such a restrictive diet why not just skip the cheese on the burger?

and is a burger even such a clever choice for a highly restrictive diet?
would a steak not be better?

DublinWriter

thegreatiam wrote: »

and is a burger even such a clever choice for a highly restrictive diet? would a steak not be better?

A burger should be a steak (of course, of course, unless it's Mr.Ed).

thegreatiam

DublinWriter wrote: »

A burger should be a steak (of course, of course, unless it's Mr.Ed).

wouldn't be wrapped in a bun tho

Stench Blossoms

thegreatiam wrote: »

wouldn't be wrapped in a bun tho

They said there wouldn't be a bun.

NoQuarter

NoQuarter wrote: »

No, its not at all like that. The burger is 5% fat, homemade and there is no bun.

thegreatiam wrote: »

wouldn't be wrapped in a bun tho

thegreatiam

thats just a patty then.
so might as well have a steak

cosmic

hardCopy wrote: »

I don't think Quark would really work on a burger, the consistency is closer to yoghurt than cheddar.

Similar in consistency to mayo, though

hardCopy

cosmic wrote: »

Similar in consistency to mayo, though

I suppose it's a personal taste thing, I just think quark is mank I'll eat cottage cheese by the tub but can't stand quark.

--Kaiser--

Fat-free cheese? Next people will be asking for meat-free steak

syklops

thegreatiam wrote: »

thats just a patty then.
so might as well have a steak

In fact a steak would be better because you can see the fat and trim it off. Unless you selected the cut yourself and asked the butcher to mince it, you might be getting more fat than you're bargaining for.

The burger has 4 grams of fat per 175 grams so it's good.

A Big Als has about 12 gms of fat. Where did you get the meat for this?

rubadub

NoQuarter wrote: »

I didn't think I needed to explain because it was such a simple question.

Mellor wrote: »

99% of the time people are looking for fat free food it's for misguided reasons, they don't understand.

Many people mean low calorie and use "fat free" or "low fat" interchangeably, so I certainly don't think it was a stupid answer. In many threads I see people saying things like "I am drinking coke zero, not the full fat stuff anymore", even though there is no fat in it. I remember going into the pub and 2 mates were drinking coors light since it was "fat free" and they were getting worried about "guinness bellies", even though guinness is relatively low in calories too, and of course has no fat, like all normal beers.

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Fat-free cheese? Next people will be asking for meat-free steak

syklops wrote: »

A Big Als has about 12 gms of fat. Where did you get the meat for this?

Just extra lean mince, many supermarkets have it now, 5% fat mince. If you get round steak you could cut off the fat and cut it up finely with a scissors or liquidise it.

NoQuarter

thegreatiam wrote: »

if you are on such a restrictive diet why not just skip the cheese on the burger?

and is a burger even such a clever choice for a highly restrictive diet?
would a steak not be better?

Alas I have been skipping it, a bit of cheese would be nice though

The burger is fine once I reach my protein goals and the fat and carbs are minimal.

syklops wrote: »

In fact a steak would be better because you can see the fat and trim it off. Unless you selected the cut yourself and asked the butcher to mince it, you might be getting more fat than you're bargaining for.

A Big Als has about 12 gms of fat. Where did you get the meat for this?

http://www.superquinn.ie/shopping/shopping/shop.aspx?prodid=90045659

2 packs for €8 now in Superquinn so its very good value. Be careful though, they have a 10% fat one and a 15% fat one so read the small print.

And yes, I have steak too!

Mellor

NoQuarter wrote: »

The burger has 4 grams of fat per 175 grams so it's good.

I can't get the link to open, but 4g per 175g is just over 2% fat. If its 5% mince, it'd be closer to 9g.

Maybe it is that low though.
I've used kangaroo mince for high protein meals. It's around 1%. superquinn had it in the past, so that might be a good option.

NoQuarter

Mellor wrote: »

I can't get the link to open, but 4g per 175g is just over 2% fat. If its 5% mince, it'd be closer to 9g.

Maybe it is that low though.
I've used kangaroo mince for high protein meals. It's around 1%. superquinn had it in the past, so that might be a good option.

I think the precise term on the package is "Typically less than 5%" or something like that. And I took the fat figure from the nutritional info on the pack. Even so, with psmf you are allowed some fat, but it should be worthwhile and it is for the protein I get from the mince which is over 36 grams per 175g of the mince (half a pack). To take the fat with the cheese, it just isnt worth it. Although on this diet, the thoughts of a cheese burger is unbelievable.

You should see the longing looks I'm giving to any type of bread, sweet sweet delicious bread!

Interesting about the kangaroo meat though, I know of a butchers in Terenure that stock it. No results during a superquinn search for it. I need a replacement for my tuna, I cant hack it anymore.

Markcheese

thegreatiam wrote: »

thats just a patty then.
so might as well have a steak

Unless the op just wanted a burger.....
(although I reckon a burger has to be about 1/3 to 1/4 fat to taste right)
Have you tried any of the health food shops ?? (often have weird stuff)
Also know you can get very low fat mozzarella,have seen it in supermarkets...

enda1

Simple white bread with yeast, flour, salt and water has no fat.

Mellor

NoQuarter wrote: »

I think the precise term on the package is "Typically less than 5%" or something like that. And I took the fat figure from the nutritional info on the pack.

Ah in that case. It's probably right so.

Even so, with psmf you are allowed some fat, but it should be worthwhile and it is for the protein I get from the mince which is over 36 grams per 175g of the mince (half a pack).

Sounds about right. About 22g per 100g.
175g of chicken or steak would be 40-50g

Interesting about the kangaroo meat though, I know of a butchers in Terenure that stock it. No results during a superquinn search for it. I need a replacement for my tuna, I cant hack it anymore.

I buy it all the time. As its pretty cheap compare to lean mince. But that down to being in Oz.

From memory,
100g mince is 100 cals, 21g protein and 1.5g fat
'Roo Fillet is <100cals 23g protein and .5g fat

enda1 wrote: »

Simple white bread with yeast, flour, salt and water has no fat.

Fat free doesn't mean its a good choice, in fact its an awful choice.
It also has no protein, nutrients or anything else that the OP needs for this diet.

enda1

Mellor wrote: »

Fat free doesn't mean its a good choice, in fact its an awful choice.
It also has no protein, nutrients or anything else that the OP needs for this diet.

Never said it was. The OP seems to be so focused only with not having fat irrelevant of the other constituents of food that it fits the bill by that measure. That's all.

Mellor

enda1 wrote: »

The OP seems to be so focused only with not having fat irrelevant of the other constituents of food that it fits the bill by that measure.

He didn't he say he was only concerned about fat and nothing else
He is following a PSMF. So fat and carbs are both kept very low

--Kaiser--

rubadub wrote: »

That's not steak

steak
/stāk/
Noun

High-quality beef taken from the hindquarters of the animal, typically cut into thick slices that are cooked by broiling or frying.
A thick slice of such beef or other high-quality meat or fish: "a salmon steak".

It's a slab of 'mycoprotein' AKA 'mould'

thegreatiam

NoQuarter wrote: »

Interesting about the kangaroo meat though, I know of a butchers in Terenure that stock it. No results during a superquinn search for it. I need a replacement for my tuna, I cant hack it anymore.

Try ostrich also, I believe it is very low fat and really tasty, may be easier to get hold of than kangaroo. Wild boar also.
I can vouch for all 3 being equally nice in a burger as beef, if not nicer and iirc all have less fat and more protein, leaving room for full fat cheese slices.

grames_bond

thegreatiam wrote: »

Try ostrich also, I believe it is very low fat and really tasty, may be easier to get hold of than kangaroo. Wild boar also.
I can vouch for all 3 being equally nice in a burger as beef, if not nicer and iirc all have less fat and more protein, leaving room for full fat cheese slices.

where would one pick up ostrich or wild boar! I am very intrigued!

thegreatiam

grames_bond wrote: »

where would one pick up ostrich or wild boar! I am very intrigued!

I haven't checked here, but it was widely available in uk a number of years ago (and still is) in places like tesco, sainsbury's, even co-op had it on the shelves.
I have heard there is ostrich farmed in ireland, but TBH I haven't gone to look for it.

I did get a wild boar salami from lidl the other week but it was on a weekly special so not a regular stock.

Ill take a look and see if I can source it in ireland, if someone else doesnt know.

edit: Fallon and byrne would spring first to mind, if it is not on general supermarket shelves

NoQuarter

Mellor wrote: »

Sounds about right. About 22g per 100g.
175g of chicken or steak would be 40-50g

Yeah, chicken is an awesome source of protein but you'd go insane having it at every meal so the mince helps break that up. I am going to pop down to the butchers today to see if I can get some roo or ostrich! I will report back.

thegreatiam wrote: »

Try ostrich also, I believe it is very low fat and really tasty, may be easier to get hold of than kangaroo.

Will do, wild boar sounds great too.

grames_bond wrote: »

where would one pick up ostrich or wild boar! I am very intrigued!

I know that butcher in Terenure has ostrich too, im going to head over today and have a look.

Might be worth mentioning that that Aussie BBQ place in portobello and now Rathgar have Kangaroo steak and crocdile steak: http://aussiebbq.ie/menu.html

There's an ostrich farm just before the Glen of the Downs as you're driving down the M11/N11.