Mark Hughes appointed new Stoke City manager

Blatter

...according to John Percy of The Telegraph.

https://twitter.com/John__Percy/status/336827246654414848


Would be a good move for Stoke. Pulis is one of the worst managers in the league imo.

Red Crow

He just says all the wrong things. Constantly moaning and has spent very poorly. It was time to go but he done a great job getting Stoke to where they are.

ben.schlomo

Blatter wrote: »

...according to John Percy of The Telegraph.

https://twitter.com/John__Percy/status/336827246654414848


Would be a good move for Stoke. Pulis is one of the worst managers in the league imo.

Hes not a fav of mine but that doesnt make him bad, hes kept a poor team well away from relegation every season theyve been up and got them Europe as well, a great return for a nothing team before that.

Jax Teller

Off to Real Madrid .

SlickRic

*lumps €50 on Stoke to be relegated next year*

Blatter

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Hes not a fav of mine but that doesnt make him bad, hes kept a poor team well away from relegation every season theyve been up and got them Europe as well, a great return for a nothing team before that.

He done well getting them into the PL, but he's spent poorly since. There was always a low ceiling to the progression that could be achieved under his style of play. For the money Stoke have spent they should have made more progress.

From a personal pov, I'll be delighted to see the back of Pulis from the PL. Don't like the man at all.

GLaDOS

He did well establishing them in the league and should be given credit for that. Hasn't really pushed on since then though after spending a lot of money. Stoke were awful the 2nd half of the season just gone, don't blame them for looking elsewhere.

Reekwind

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Hes not a fav of mine but that doesnt make him bad, hes kept a poor team well away from relegation every season theyve been up and got them Europe as well, a great return for a nothing team before that.

No. Over the past five seasons Stoke's net transfer spend has been less than only Chelsea and Man City. A bottom half finish, brush with relegation, poor quality playing staff and attritional football is far, far from "a great return"

Chucky the tree

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Hes not a fav of mine but that doesnt make him bad, hes kept a poor team well away from relegation every season theyve been up and got them Europe as well, a great return for a nothing team before that.

The fact that you consider them a poor team should say it all about Pulis as a manager. He's the one who's made them a poor team. In the last 5 years Stoke are 3rd in the league in Net spend and have spent £88m on new plays averaging £16m per year. The return he's gotten from that investment has been shocking.

messinkiapina

He did a great job I think, to keep a club that size in the premiership and rarely ever looking like they were a relegation danger.

I'll be delighted to see him go though, what he created wasn't exactly pretty on the eye.

Nuri Sahin

Going by Betvictor only. Di Matteo @ 6/4 is the favourite followed by Hughes at 4's.

keano_afc

Horrible manager, horrible team. Hopefully they'll get someone that will turn them into a football team.

redzerdrog

stan collymore said on twitter weeks ago that he was leaving

apparently taking over at wasps :pac:

Paully D

The new man is going to have an absolutely horrendous job on his hands.

That squad is built for Pulis' style of football, from the defenders to the strikers. There's very little ''footballing quality'' in the team and it's going to take some time to change that. It'll cost a serious amount of money to change things around and the squad is already full of older players with no resale value as it is.

A bit of an impossible job as, despite a lot of them wanting a change now, the fans will start to see Pulis as the one who got them up and kept them there for a few years when things start to go wrong as change isn't going to happen overnight or without difficulty.

I don't envy the new manager at all.

Zaph

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Going by Betvictor only. Di Matteo @ 6/4 is the favourite followed by Hughes at 4's.

I suspect it might be a while before any PL club gives Hughes another shot.

TaosHum

Blatter wrote: »

He done well getting them into the PL, but he's spent poorly since. There was always a low ceiling to the progression that could be achieved under his style of play.

The problem is, the team is full of his type of players. So if a new manager comes in with a new, more technical philosophy, he will have a huge amount of work trying to overhaul a team, so that they can compete in the Premier League and in the process not spend massive amounts of money.

Will be interesting to see who they go for if Pulis does quit.

Iang87

took a smallish team brought them to the premier league, kept them there. Lost an FA cup final and did well in europe, positively one of the most difficult sides to beat at home in the league and have been for a while.


Ya **** manager :rolleyes:

Blatter

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The fact that you consider them a poor team should say it all about Pulis as a manager. He's the one who's made them a poor team. In the last 5 years Stoke are 3rd in the league in Net spend and have spent £88m on new plays averaging £16m per year. The return he's gotten from that investment has been shocking.

Despite this you'll have lads on SSN saying things like ''ridiculous, he's done a fantastic job there'', ''Pulis, another victim of modern day football'', ''Football clubs/fans are too impatient these days'' etc. etc. :pac:

ben.schlomo

Reekwind wrote: »

No. Over the past five seasons Stoke's net transfer spend has been less than only Chelsea and Man City. A bottom half finish, brush with relegation, poor quality playing staff and attritional football is far, far from "a great return"

yes from promotion to Europe in five seasons is a great return. Obviously hes spent money, most of it badly but hes also kept them in the league and increased their revenue by who knows how much as a result. The 'ccol' thing is to hate him and Stoke, i dont buy into it, hes not the anti christ people make him out to be, anyone who runs nude from the shower to headbutt a player is ok.:D

extra gravy

keano_afc wrote: »

Horrible manager, horrible team. Hopefully they'll get someone that will turn them into a football team.

They bought players to suit his turgid style of football so don't see this happening unless they have a massive clearout and reinvestment. I really can't see the likes of Shawcross being turned into a proper footballer.

Edit: Beaten to it.

ben.schlomo

Blatter wrote: »

Despite this you'll have lads on SSN saying things like ''ridiculous, he's done a fantastic job there'', ''Pulis, another victim of modern day football'', ''Football clubs are too impatient these days'' etc. etc. :pac:

To clarify i think its good for both parties to part ways, Stoke need new blood and hes done all he can with them.

Paully D

Iang87 wrote: »

took a smallish team brought them to the premier league, kept them there. Lost an FA cup final and did well in europe, positively one of the most difficult sides to beat at home in the league and have been for a while.


Ya **** manager :rolleyes:

He's done a good job but it's just not sustainable for a club that size with a stadium capacity of around 25,000 to spend £20m on ageing players every year without getting anything back.

SlickRic

unless the next manager is going to play that style of football, they just won't survive.

Pulis has been brilliant for them in terms of them getting and retaining their Premier League status, but the way he's left them, the squad needs quite the overhaul.

wandatowell

Hate the guy but thats a bit harsh to fire him.



I can only guess that the chairman wants a change of direction perhaps, I dunno.

Chucky the tree

Blatter wrote: »

Despite this you'll have lads on SSN saying things like ''ridiculous, he's done a fantastic job there'', ''Pulis, another victim of modern day football'', ''Football clubs/fans are too impatient these days'' etc. etc. :pac:

Positioning of your post in the thread is perfect.

Paully D

Please, please, please appoint Martin O'Neill :pac:

Anyone

A great day for football if its true.

dfx-

Iang87 wrote: »

took a smallish team brought them to the premier league, kept them there. Lost an FA cup final and did well in europe, positively one of the most difficult sides to beat at home in the league and have been for a while.

have they been that difficult to beat away from home or is that a myth?

Reekwind

ben.schlomo wrote: »

yes from promotion to Europe in five seasons is a great return

A return on what? Big Sam took Bolton from Championship to Europe on a shoestring. Both Swansea and Wigan will be playing in Europe next season. Everton are always there or there abouts. These are real achievements on very tight budgets.

Stoke are not in that same category. Pulis has spent more than Ferguson... just to scrape along in lower table obscurity. Not a great return on money spent by any measure.

Jax Teller

Remember hearing Stoke fan on a phone in show giving out about Pulis " We've spent over a 100million and we still can't pass the ball"
Shocking but true .

byronbay2

SlickRic wrote: »

*lumps €50 on Stoke to be relegated next year*

Yeah, tough job for the next manager unless he wants to carry on Pulis' brand of "Puke Football". Definite relegation candidates now.

While Pulis was an annoying manager (fighting it out with Pardew for most dislikable in PL), I think he did an excellent job with Stoke, notwithstanding the money he has spent in the last 5 years. Getting the club to FA Cup final, Europe and regularly top half of the table will be a tough act to follow.

Chucky the tree

I don't think Pulis is a bad manager, it's just as Blatter said his ceiling is very low. How many years of avoiding relegation despite spending huge money becomes unacceptable? If they kept Pulis for another 5 years I can't see them consistently finishing top half or challenging for trophies. That's the problem Stoke have - keep plodding a long while spending big money for little return or take a risk with someone else and a different style.

GavRedKing

This is turning out to be a great summer.

Moneymaker

So will the true gauge of player ability still be if they can hack a cold, wet night in Stoke?

GavRedKing

Moneymaker wrote: »

So will the true gauge of player ability still be if they can hack a cold, wet night in Stoke?

Extra points given if Stoke are playing Championship or lower on said night.

earlytobed

Surely there is scope for more than one style of football.
Pulis and Allerdyce have done the job with stoke, bolton etc. Nice to some of the ladyboys earning their money when they come up against Huth, shawcross etc

SlickRic

earlytobed wrote: »

Nice to some of the ladyboys earning their money when they come up against Huth, shawcross etc

indeed. very manly altogether they are.

Pepe LeFrits

D'ya know what this means? Assuming he survives the summer, Alan Pardew will start next season as the second longest serving manager in the PL.

Kiwi_knock

They should replace him with McLeish

mike65

Jax Teller wrote: »

Off to Real Madrid .

Not if Sam Allardyce gets there first.

Having come close to disaster they rallied well enough in the end. Stoke will never be anything other than what they are so its hard to know if changing the manager will make any difference one way or the other. Hard to see why they would go down unless one just works on the assumption that with Wigan gone and at least one promoted side is likely to survive that by default leaves a place for a weaker established side.

Reekwind

earlytobed wrote: »

Pulis and Allerdyce have done the job with stoke, bolton etc. Nice to some of the ladyboys earning their money when they come up against Huth, shawcross etc

Big Sam spent approx £15m net over his last five seasons at the club. (Remember all those foreign bargains he dug up?) Pulis has, on average, spent that per season. And Bolton still played better football

As for the ladyboy comment, I'm assuming that there's nothing more manly than being incapable of passing the ball or spending most of a game with your arm down another man's shirt?

Anyone

Stuck €20 on Declan Kidney to get the job.

thebaz

he's gone - delighted for Stoke , they can now build on what they have and start playing football, it must have been tough watching that week in week out, regardless if it kept them safe

Xavi6

Jax Teller wrote: »

Off to Real Madrid .

I heard Leinster

Trappatoni's replacement on way over!

dahat

thebaz wrote: »

he's gone - delighted for Stoke , they can now build on what they have and start playing football, it must have been tough watching that week in week out, regardless if it kept them safe

Read Paully D post on the first page,they are about 40 million off playing football and that is being conservative,the only ball player they have is Charlie Adam and that says alot....

Probably the worst job to come up this Summer i reckon....

mike65

dahat wrote: »

Probably the worst job to come up this Summer i reckon....

No such thing in the PL, you just sign up and get paid a few million. Whether you succeed or fail is nearly immaterial. When Alan Curbishley was sacked from Chalton the general view was that is was time for change...just sayin'

dahat

mike65 wrote: »

No such thing in the PL, you just sign up and get paid a few million. Whether you succeed or fail is nearly immaterial. When Alan Curbishley was sacked from Chalton the general view was that is was time for change...just sayin'

My point being there is so much to change there that any new manager has a massive task ahead of him,quality of player there is shocking

ArmaniJeanss

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The fact that you consider them a poor team should say it all about Pulis as a manager. He's the one who's made them a poor team. In the last 5 years Stoke are 3rd in the league in Net spend and have spent £88m on new plays averaging £16m per year. The return he's gotten from that investment has been shocking.

3rd in Net Spend over 5 years is a great headline figure but a bit misleading.
Like there are half a dozen clubs who have been relegated over that period who may have been on target to have a bigger net spend but are now outside the scope of the calcs.
Then there are some clubs currently in the premier league for just 1/2/3 years who may be on target for a bigger net spend over the arbitrary 5 year period.

So effectivley its 3rd in a group of only around 10/12 clubs who qualify for the stat.

Additionally there are some clubs who would traditionally have a bigger net spend but have relatively unusual big sales to disguise their long term trend (e.g., MUFC with Ronaldo).

Then theres the issue that at the time Stoke started their spend (say 2006/07) they would by definition have had less of a completed squad than the likes of 'middling teams' like Aston Villa or Everton. So in order to catch up Stoke would have to notably outspend these sort of teams purely just to get a similar squad together.

I don't like Pulis/Stoke either for whats it worth, but I think this is a false stick to beat him with.

DoctorGonzo08

Reekwind wrote: »

A return on what? Big Sam took Bolton from Championship to Europe on a shoestring. Both Swansea and Wigan will be playing in Europe next season. Everton are always there or there abouts. These are real achievements on very tight budgets.

Stoke are not in that same category. Pulis has spent more than Ferguson... just to scrape along in lower table obscurity. Not a great return on money spent by any measure.

Really??? :eek:

Re: Spending

Players Purchased Fee Players Sold Fee Net Total Points Position
Season 12/13
Jamie Ness Free Andrew Davies Free
Michael Kightly £3,000,000 Jonathan Woodgate Free
Maurice Edu £4,000,000 Danny Collins £500,000
Charlie Adam £4,000,000 Danny Higginbotham Released PTS POS
Geoff Cameron £1,600,000 Salif Diao Released
Steven Nzonzi £3,000,000 Tom Soares Released
Jack Butland £5,000,000 Louis Moult Free
Jermaine Jenas Ricardo Fuller Free
Brek Shea £2,500,000 Michael Tonge Nominal

Total £20,600,000 £500,000 £20,100,000
Season 11/12
Jonathan Woodgate Free Abdoulaye Faye Free
Smajl Suljevic Undisclosed Carl Dickinson £600,000
David Jones Free Danny Pugh £500,000
Matthew Upson Free Ben Marshall £1,000,000
Peter Crouch £10,000,000
Wilson Palacios £8,000,000 Prem
PTS POS
Total £18,000,000 £2,100,000 £15,900,000 45 14
Season 10/11
Florent Cuvelier Undisclosed N Wedderburn Free
Kenwyne Jones £8,000,000 Amdy Faye Released
Jonathan Walters £2,750,000 Andy Griffin Nominal
Jermaine Pennant £1,725,000 Steve Simnonsen Free
Marc Wilson Signed James Beatie £1,500,000
Liam Lawrence Undisclosed Prem
Tuncay Sanli Undisclosed PTS POS
Total £12,475,000 £1,500,000 £10,975,000 46 13
Season 09/10
Dean Whitehead £3,000,000 Seyi Olofinjana £3,000,000
Robert Huth £5,000,000 Richard Cresswell Undisclosed
Tuncay Sanli £5,000,000 Leon Cort £1,500,000
Diego Arismendi £2,500,000
Danny Collins £2,750,000 Prem
Asmir Begovic £3,250,000 PTS POS
Total £21,500,000 £4,500,000 £17,000,000 47 11
Season 08/09
Dave Kitson £5,500,000 Russell Hoult Free
Seyi Olofinjana £3,000,000 Adam Rooney £50,000
Thomas Sorensen Free Anthony Pulis Free
Abdoulaye Faye £2,250,000 Jon Parkin Signed
Amdy Faye Signed Ritchie de Laet Signed
Andrew Davies Signed Lewis Buxton Nominal
Tom Soares Signed
Michael Tonge Signed
Ibrahima Sonko Signed
Danny Higginbotham Signed
Matthew Etherington £2,000,000 Prem
James Beattie £3,500,000 PTS POS
Total £16,250,000 £50,000 £16,200,000 45 12

Season 07/08
Richard Cresswell Signed Ed de Goey Free
Andy Griffin £300,000 Darel Russell Signed
Leon Cort £1,200,000 Carl Hoefkens £750,000
Danny Pugh £500,000 Sanbegou Bangour £270,000
Ryan Shawcross £1,000,000 Matthew Hazley Free
Glenn Whelan £500,000 Danny Higginbotham £2,500,000
Robert Garrett Signed
Peter Sweeney Free
Clint Hill Signed
John Eustace £250,000
Marlon Broomes Free PTS POS
Total £3,500,000 £3,770,000 -£270,000 79 2

he has done some rubbish business getting players that are too old with zero resale value, but he's done a few decent deals too.

Far too many £3m in, out on a free 2 seasons later though.