Dove Real Beauty Sketches

BlimpGaz

Do you think this video is true of Irish women (as apparently it is of American women)? If so, how come then, it's often difficult for Irish men to meet Irish women? If their self-esteem is low in general, and they under-exaggerate themselves (their attractiveness etc.), wouldn't they also possess lower than realistic standards in a partner, rather than higher than realistic?

Also, look at this:

Do you think this is in any way realistic for Irish men? I know it's a parody, but it's message is still intended to reflect the truth. In my experience, Irish men tend to be very confident or insecure, and not much in between. The former is a much smaller minority, while those who lack confidence and success with women form the majority. Do you agree?

beks101

BlimpGaz wrote: »

If their self-esteem is low in general, and they under-exaggerate themselves (their attractiveness etc.), wouldn't they also possess lower than realistic standards in a partner, rather than higher than realistic?

Really don't get this at all.

I know you threw it out as a contextual "aside" from your main argument, but how exactly do Irish women possess "higher than realistic" standards for a partner?

I find these Dove videos and their "seriously though, you're beautiful" notions increasingly annoying and patronizing. This one in particular seems to ironically do its own part to narrow the scope for what is deemed "beautiful", with its "this is how ugly you think you are" versus "this is how pretty you are" narrative.

If you're a man, thinking you're some big ride is irrelevant to your masculinity, but if you're a woman beauty / appearance is important enough to our identities as women that is has to constantly occupy our minds, whether it's positively or negatively. That's all I get from these videos.

Nymeria

I have seen the Dove Ad's before, from what I could gather it is trying to show women that they tend to focus on the negative little things which generally other people don't notice.

BlimpGaz wrote: »

Do you think this video is true of Irish women (as apparently it is of American women)? If so, how come then, it's often difficult for Irish men to meet Irish women? If their self-esteem is low in general, and they under-exaggerate themselves (their attractiveness etc.), wouldn't they also possess lower than realistic standards in a partner, rather than higher than realistic?

I'm not sure what you are trying to imply here - that you cannot meet women, even though they should be throwing themselves at you because they all have low self esteem.

Are you also saying that less attractive people don't deserve to have high standards in a partner? There is a whole list of qualities that make a good partner, attractiveness is just one of them.

BlimpGaz wrote: »

In my experience, Irish men tend to be very confident or insecure, and not much in between. The former is a much smaller minority, while those who lack confidence and success with women form the majority. Do you agree?

Again, generalising won't work - I have known some very conventionally attractive people who have poor social skills and found it difficult to talk to the opposite sex, nothing to do with perceived attractiveness.

This seems like a thinly veiled 'Irish women won't go out with me - so what's wrong with Irish women' moan.

username123

Nymeria wrote: »

I have seen the Dove Ad's before, from what I could gather it is trying to show women that they tend to focus on the negative little things which generally other people don't notice.

Sketch 1 is done from someone describing their own face which one would assume they are intimately familiar with, whereas sketch 2 is done from the description of someone who doesnt even know them - so they are only going to be describing "impressions" - I cant even think of the details of my husbands face as well as Id know my own. So naturally the stranger description is going to be a lot softer.

Im not sure of the point being made in the OP - is it difficult for Irish men to meet Irish women? I look around and see Irish married people all the time. And Irish couples who are not married. Whats difficult about it, and why are the Dove ad's relevant?

cantdecide

username123 wrote: »

Whats difficult about it, and why are the Dove ad's relevant?

OP is lamenting why nice girls appear to not be prepared to 'settle' for him in the misguided belief that attraction is only physical and that he should be well poised to bat higher because all women have no self esteem while men are the opposite. It's simple really.

username123

cantdecide wrote: »

OP is lamenting why nice girls appear to not be prepared to 'settle' for him in the misguided belief that attraction is only physical and that he should be well poised to bat higher because all women have no self esteem while men are the opposite. It's simple really.

For some reason your post made me go and look at the OPs other posts. Its too late now, I cant unsee what Ive seen.

Mod

OP, just because you've been banned from other forums for trolling, doesn't mean you can do it elsewhere. In addition, posting the same thread over multiple fora is considered spamming.

I suggest you read the Ladies' Lounge charter before posting here again or you will likely find yourself banned.

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