Why do some people think everything is a college?

GarIT · 13-05-2013 9:34am #1

It gets so annoying constantly seeing people saying on Facebook that they got into college and then when you ask where they say it's a PLC course only for them to get offended when you tell them this isn't college. What is up with Irish people that they think anything outside school is college? Why are there so many places in Ireland with college in their name but are not a college? and would you agree calling a level 5 course a college takes away from the status of colleges.

IM0 · 13-05-2013 9:36am

cause its colllege duh

wonderfulname · 13-05-2013 9:37am

Are you confusing college and university?

davet82 · 13-05-2013 9:39am

so your trying to away from my 5 years in clown college?

fcuk you! :P

Chet T16 · 13-05-2013 9:39am

wonderfulname wrote: »

Are you confusing college and university?

Isn't a university just a collection of colleges?

IM0 · 13-05-2013 9:40am

Chet T16 wrote: »

Isn't a university just a collection of colleges?

no its a status thing :rolleyes:

GarIT · 13-05-2013 9:41am

wonderfulname wrote: »

Are you confusing college and university?

No, Universities have a higher standard of education than Colleges, and colleges have a higher standard of education than somewhere that just offers courses. AFAIK if it doesn't offer at least a level 7 course it can't be a college, and if it offers anything lower than level 8 it's not a Uni.

Thatnastyboy · 13-05-2013 9:42am

Because,

Universally it's a collage of statues.

Death and Taxes · 13-05-2013 9:42am

GarIT wrote: »

It gets so annoying constantly seeing people saying on Facebook that they got into college and then when you ask where they say it's a PLC course only for them to get offended when you tell them this isn't college. What is up with Irish people that they think anything outside school is college? Why are there so many places in Ireland with college in their name but are not a college? and would you agree calling a level 5 course a college takes away from the status of colleges.

No I wouldn't agree at all. You seem to getting mixed up with qualifications and institutions.
I wouldn't call a Certificate an Honours Degree both both of them can and are obtainable at college.

Death and Taxes · 13-05-2013 9:44am

GarIT wrote: »

No, Universities have a higher standard of education than Colleges, and colleges have a higher standard of education than somewhere that just offers courses. AFAIK if it doesn't offer at least a level 7 course it can't be a college, and if it offers anything lower than level 8 it's not a Uni.

Sadly you are mistaken, perhaps you should actually look at the accepted definition of College.

Seachmall · 13-05-2013 9:44am

GarIT wrote: »

What is up with Irish people that they think anything outside school is college?

Because in Ireland it is...

A college is anywhere that provides a post-secondary level education.

13-05-2013 9:44am

GarIT wrote: »

No, Universities have a higher standard of education than Colleges, and colleges have a higher standard of education than somewhere that just offers courses. AFAIK if it doesn't offer at least a level 7 course it can't be a college, and if it offers anything lower than level 8 it's not a Uni.

So an Institute of Technology would be a University then?

IM0 · 13-05-2013 9:45am

WileyCoyote wrote: »

No I wouldn't agree at all. You seem to getting mixed up with qualifications and institutions.
I wouldn't call a Certificate an Honours Degree both both of them can and are obtainable at college.

does that mean you wouldnt call an elephant a horse

GarIT · 13-05-2013 9:45am

I understand that it's common use but it goes against the international framework of qualifications, why don't people use the actual term rather than throwing college on everything.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 13-05-2013 9:46am

Because we aren't all pretentious assholes.

Seachmall · 13-05-2013 9:46am

GarIT wrote: »

I understand that it's common use but it goes against the international framework of qualifications, why don't people use the actual term rather than throwing college on everything.

Because College is the correct word in Ireland, the UK and the UK commonwealth.

You live in Ireland. Best to use the correct word instead of putting people down.

IM0 · 13-05-2013 9:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

So an Institute of Technology would be a University then?

theres only 4 or 5 uni's in ireland

Death and Taxes · 13-05-2013 9:48am

IM0 wrote: »

does that mean you wouldnt call an elephant a horse

General General · 13-05-2013 9:49am

GarIT wrote: »

I understand that it's common use but it goes against the international framework of qualifications, why don't people use the actual term rather than throwing college on everything.

Why don't people use question marks to mark the end of a question? I understand that it's common but it goes against the international framework of punctuation.

Robbo · 13-05-2013 9:49am

When I grow up, I'm going to Bovine University.

GarIT · 13-05-2013 9:50am

WileyCoyote wrote: »

No I wouldn't agree at all. You seem to getting mixed up with qualifications and institutions.
I wouldn't call a Certificate an Honours Degree both both of them can and are obtainable at college.

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Sadly you are mistaken, perhaps you should actually look at the accepted definition of College.

It appears it's different in Ireland where anything outside secondary school has become college through common usage of the word, but on a level of standards you can't do certificates in a college.

Seachmall wrote: »

Because in Ireland it is...

A college is anywhere that provides a post-secondary level education.

Just in Ireland though, why doesn't Ireland follow the rest of the world on what is required to be a college.

Deleted User wrote: »

So an Institute of Technology would be a University then?

No ITs offer some level 7 courses, if you offer a level 7 course you're not a uni.

13-05-2013 9:51am

Sounds like you need to pay more attention in college OP

norrie rugger · 13-05-2013 9:51am

IM0 wrote: »

theres only 4 or 5 uni's in ireland

Only 2?
National University of Ireland and Dublin University (Trinity) no

artanevilla · 13-05-2013 9:51am

col·lege
/ˈkälij/
Noun
An educational institution or establishment, in particular.
One providing higher education or specialized professional or vocational training.

/thread

GarIT · 13-05-2013 9:51am

IM0 wrote: »

theres only 4 or 5 uni's in ireland

7 I think. UCD, DCU, Trinity, NUIM, NUIG, UL, UCC

Zaph · 13-05-2013 9:52am

I don't care where they go to, as far as I'm concerned they're all feckin' students and are equally worthy of my scorn and decision.

wonderfulname · 13-05-2013 9:52am

GarIT wrote: »

I understand that it's common use but it goes against the international framework of qualifications, why don't people use the actual term rather than throwing college on everything.

Common use is the case in the states, in Ireland it is the actual term. Qualifications and how people refer to post secondaryeducation have nothing to do with each other. Why do you take such issue with it?

Ziphius · 13-05-2013 9:55am

And what about all the secondary schools that call themselves "colleges"?! :eek:

The Queen of England · 13-05-2013 9:56am

I'm from the School of Who Gives a Fuck?

hardCopy · 13-05-2013 9:56am

In the UK everything after GCSE is called college.

Really we should stop using the word college to refer to universities.

IM0 · 13-05-2013 9:57am

norrie rugger wrote: »

Only 2?
National University of Ireland and Dublin University (Trinity) no

no 7 actually http://www.iua.ie/the-irish-universities/university-profiles/

youve been sold a lie

Lando Griffin · 13-05-2013 9:57am

GarIT wrote: »

It gets so annoying constantly seeing people saying on Facebook.

If Facebook says its a college then its a bloody college.:mad:

Cody Pomeray · 13-05-2013 9:58am

GarIT wrote: »

I understand that it's common use but it goes against the international framework of qualifications, why don't people use the actual term rather than throwing college on everything.

What international framework?

You're just making this up...college in the US and Canada refers to all sorts of post-secondary level education... same in Britain, where you have institutions like Worcester College of Technology.

Is there even any English speaking OECD country that doesn't use college in such a catch-all way?

13-05-2013 9:58am

Ah well, at least they can spell college. It's incredible how many people I see spell it as "collage"

13-05-2013 10:00am

I grew up in England and to me, college is any sort of further education establishment. College generally means 'sixth-form college' which is where you can go to do your A Levels. You can also do beauty, hairdressing or just about anything at a 'college'. I've always thought of 'college=university' as an American thing.

GarIT · 13-05-2013 10:00am

wonderfulname wrote: »

Common use is the case in the states, in Ireland it is the actual term. Qualifications and how people refer to post secondaryeducation have nothing to do with each other. Why do you take such issue with it?

It' a status thing, A college eg ITT ITB or DIT is much better than doing a course in Greenhills, dunboyne etc.

norrie rugger · 13-05-2013 10:00am

IM0 wrote: »

no 7 actually http://www.iua.ie/the-irish-universities/university-profiles/

youve been sold a lie

Maynooth, DCU, UCD, UCC, UL, Galway are all members of the NUI though.
They are colleges within the National University

Trinity is an entity of its own, as the Dublin University.

Ave Sodalis · 13-05-2013 10:00am

OSI wrote: »

So UCD or Trinity aren't Universities then?

Neither is UL by that definition.

OP, you are aware that Universities can (and do) offer level 7 courses?

Allyall · 13-05-2013 10:03am

A College:

A college (Latin: collegium) is an educational institution or a constituent part of one. Usage of the word college varies in English-speaking nations. A college may be a degree-awarding tertiary educational institution, a part of a collegiate university, or an institution offering vocational education.

in Ireland, the UK, New Zealand, Australia, Canada and other former and present Commonwealth nations, "college" may refer to a secondary or high school, a college of further education, a training institution that awards trade qualifications, or a constituent part of a university.

Seems they're right and you're wrong.. :P

MurdyWurdy · 13-05-2013 10:03am

My husband's ex step-sister put on her Facebook that she was studying to become a doctor of holistic medicine - she was going a one year beauty therapy course at the local college of further education. My hubby was doing a PhD at the time (so actually studying to be able to use the title Doctor) and he was disgusted! Some people are just delusional

Ave Sodalis · 13-05-2013 10:03am

norrie rugger wrote: »

Maynooth, DCU, UCD, UCC, UL, Galway are all members of the NUI though.
They are colleges within the National University

Trinity is an entity of its own, as the Dublin University.

Ul isn't anymore http://www.nui.ie/elections/docs/institutions.pdf

GarIT · 13-05-2013 10:04am

I give up I loose.

hardCopy · 13-05-2013 10:05am

norrie rugger wrote: »

Maynooth, DCU, UCD, UCC, UL, Galway are all members of the NUI though.
They are colleges within the National University

Trinity is an entity of its own, as the Dublin University.

DCU and UL are not part of the NUI, they're independent universities.

St Pats and Mater Dei are part of DCU and Mary I is part of UL.

NCAD is part of the NUI as well.

IM0 · 13-05-2013 10:05am

norrie rugger wrote: »

Maynooth, DCU, UCD, UCC, UL, Galway are all members of the NUI though.
They are colleges within the National University

Trinity is an entity of its own, as the Dublin University.

did they not teach you anything in college, source!

Ziphius · 13-05-2013 10:06am

norrie rugger wrote: »

Maynooth, DCU, UCD, UCC, UL, Galway are all members of the NUI though.
They are colleges within the National University

Trinity is an entity of its own, as the Dublin University.

DCU and UL are separate from the NUI. Both originate from the old NIHE system.

UCD, UCC, NUIG, and NUIM are all part of the NUI but considered universities in their own right too.

Which, I guess, begs the question is the NUI our wight university?

Allyall · 13-05-2013 10:07am

Ziphius wrote: »

DCU and UL are separate from the NUI. Both originate from the old NIHE system.

UCD, UCC, NUIG, and NUIM are all part of the NUI but considered universities in their own right too.

Which, I guess, begs the question is the NUI our wight university?

What about ESB?

Cody Pomeray · 13-05-2013 10:09am

MurdyWurdy wrote: »

My husband's ex step-sister put on her Facebook that she was studying to become a doctor of holistic medicine - she was going a one year beauty therapy course at the local college of further education. My hubby was doing a PhD at the time (so actually studying to be able to use the title Doctor) and he was disgusted! Some people are just delusional

I don't get it, why was he disgusted?

Ziphius · 13-05-2013 10:10am

Allyall wrote: »

What about ESB?

Ah, part of ESB group.

MurdyWurdy · 13-05-2013 10:11am

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I don't get it, why was he disgusted?

because he has spent 8 years at university, working extremely hard to earn the right to use the title Doctor. She was doing a one year course after finishing school and was telling people she would be a doctor at the end of it.

IM0 · 13-05-2013 10:11am

SOUCES OR GTFO, and wikipedia doesnt count, you should know that :P

Corruptedmorals · 13-05-2013 10:14am

GarIT wrote: »

No ITs offer some level 7 courses, if you offer a level 7 course you're not a uni.

Better tell Trinity, since they offer level 6's.

Nobody is calling the places you're talking about universities. But colleges refers to any institution offering further education, which fits their definitions exactly. What would you call them instead? I have a useless Level 8 myself from a university and I'm going back to do a very useful Level 5. From a college. There's no other name for it.

Why do some people think everything is a college?

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