Why do some people think everything is a college?

GarIT

It gets so annoying constantly seeing people saying on Facebook that they got into college and then when you ask where they say it's a PLC course only for them to get offended when you tell them this isn't college. What is up with Irish people that they think anything outside school is college? Why are there so many places in Ireland with college in their name but are not a college? and would you agree calling a level 5 course a college takes away from the status of colleges.

IM0

cause its colllege duh

wonderfulname

Are you confusing college and university?

davet82

so your trying to away from my 5 years in clown college?

fcuk you! :P

Chet T16

wonderfulname wrote: »

Are you confusing college and university?

Isn't a university just a collection of colleges?

IM0

Chet T16 wrote: »

Isn't a university just a collection of colleges?

no its a status thing :rolleyes:

GarIT

wonderfulname wrote: »

Are you confusing college and university?

No, Universities have a higher standard of education than Colleges, and colleges have a higher standard of education than somewhere that just offers courses. AFAIK if it doesn't offer at least a level 7 course it can't be a college, and if it offers anything lower than level 8 it's not a Uni.

Thatnastyboy

Because,

Universally it's a collage of statues.

Death and Taxes

GarIT wrote: »

It gets so annoying constantly seeing people saying on Facebook that they got into college and then when you ask where they say it's a PLC course only for them to get offended when you tell them this isn't college. What is up with Irish people that they think anything outside school is college? Why are there so many places in Ireland with college in their name but are not a college? and would you agree calling a level 5 course a college takes away from the status of colleges.

No I wouldn't agree at all. You seem to getting mixed up with qualifications and institutions.
I wouldn't call a Certificate an Honours Degree both both of them can and are obtainable at college.

Death and Taxes

GarIT wrote: »

No, Universities have a higher standard of education than Colleges, and colleges have a higher standard of education than somewhere that just offers courses. AFAIK if it doesn't offer at least a level 7 course it can't be a college, and if it offers anything lower than level 8 it's not a Uni.

Sadly you are mistaken, perhaps you should actually look at the accepted definition of College.

Seachmall

GarIT wrote: »

What is up with Irish people that they think anything outside school is college?

Because in Ireland it is...

A college is anywhere that provides a post-secondary level education.

GarIT

GarIT wrote: »

No, Universities have a higher standard of education than Colleges, and colleges have a higher standard of education than somewhere that just offers courses. AFAIK if it doesn't offer at least a level 7 course it can't be a college, and if it offers anything lower than level 8 it's not a Uni.

So an Institute of Technology would be a University then?

IM0

WileyCoyote wrote: »

No I wouldn't agree at all. You seem to getting mixed up with qualifications and institutions.
I wouldn't call a Certificate an Honours Degree both both of them can and are obtainable at college.

does that mean you wouldnt call an elephant a horse

GarIT

I understand that it's common use but it goes against the international framework of qualifications, why don't people use the actual term rather than throwing college on everything.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Because we aren't all pretentious assholes.

Seachmall

GarIT wrote: »

I understand that it's common use but it goes against the international framework of qualifications, why don't people use the actual term rather than throwing college on everything.

Because College is the correct word in Ireland, the UK and the UK commonwealth.

You live in Ireland. Best to use the correct word instead of putting people down.

IM0

Deleted User wrote: »

So an Institute of Technology would be a University then?

theres only 4 or 5 uni's in ireland

Death and Taxes

IM0 wrote: »

does that mean you wouldnt call an elephant a horse

General General

GarIT wrote: »

I understand that it's common use but it goes against the international framework of qualifications, why don't people use the actual term rather than throwing college on everything.

Why don't people use question marks to mark the end of a question? I understand that it's common but it goes against the international framework of punctuation.

Robbo

When I grow up, I'm going to Bovine University.

GarIT

WileyCoyote wrote: »

No I wouldn't agree at all. You seem to getting mixed up with qualifications and institutions.
I wouldn't call a Certificate an Honours Degree both both of them can and are obtainable at college.

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Sadly you are mistaken, perhaps you should actually look at the accepted definition of College.

It appears it's different in Ireland where anything outside secondary school has become college through common usage of the word, but on a level of standards you can't do certificates in a college.

Seachmall wrote: »

Because in Ireland it is...

A college is anywhere that provides a post-secondary level education.

Just in Ireland though, why doesn't Ireland follow the rest of the world on what is required to be a college.

Deleted User wrote: »

So an Institute of Technology would be a University then?

No ITs offer some level 7 courses, if you offer a level 7 course you're not a uni.

Sounds like you need to pay more attention in college OP

norrie rugger

IM0 wrote: »

theres only 4 or 5 uni's in ireland

Only 2?
National University of Ireland and Dublin University (Trinity) no

artanevilla

col·lege
/ˈkälij/
Noun
An educational institution or establishment, in particular.
One providing higher education or specialized professional or vocational training.

/thread

GarIT

IM0 wrote: »

theres only 4 or 5 uni's in ireland

7 I think. UCD, DCU, Trinity, NUIM, NUIG, UL, UCC

Zaph

I don't care where they go to, as far as I'm concerned they're all feckin' students and are equally worthy of my scorn and decision.

wonderfulname

GarIT wrote: »

I understand that it's common use but it goes against the international framework of qualifications, why don't people use the actual term rather than throwing college on everything.

Common use is the case in the states, in Ireland it is the actual term. Qualifications and how people refer to post secondaryeducation have nothing to do with each other. Why do you take such issue with it?

Ziphius

And what about all the secondary schools that call themselves "colleges"?! :eek:

The Queen of England

I'm from the School of Who Gives a Fuck?

hardCopy

In the UK everything after GCSE is called college.

Really we should stop using the word college to refer to universities.

IM0

norrie rugger wrote: »

Only 2?
National University of Ireland and Dublin University (Trinity) no

no 7 actually http://www.iua.ie/the-irish-universities/university-profiles/

youve been sold a lie

Lando Griffin

GarIT wrote: »

It gets so annoying constantly seeing people saying on Facebook.

If Facebook says its a college then its a bloody college.:mad:

Cody Pomeray

GarIT wrote: »

I understand that it's common use but it goes against the international framework of qualifications, why don't people use the actual term rather than throwing college on everything.

What international framework?

You're just making this up...college in the US and Canada refers to all sorts of post-secondary level education... same in Britain, where you have institutions like Worcester College of Technology.

Is there even any English speaking OECD country that doesn't use college in such a catch-all way?

Ah well, at least they can spell college. It's incredible how many people I see spell it as "collage"

I grew up in England and to me, college is any sort of further education establishment. College generally means 'sixth-form college' which is where you can go to do your A Levels. You can also do beauty, hairdressing or just about anything at a 'college'. I've always thought of 'college=university' as an American thing.

GarIT

wonderfulname wrote: »

Common use is the case in the states, in Ireland it is the actual term. Qualifications and how people refer to post secondaryeducation have nothing to do with each other. Why do you take such issue with it?

It' a status thing, A college eg ITT ITB or DIT is much better than doing a course in Greenhills, dunboyne etc.

norrie rugger

IM0 wrote: »

no 7 actually http://www.iua.ie/the-irish-universities/university-profiles/

youve been sold a lie

Maynooth, DCU, UCD, UCC, UL, Galway are all members of the NUI though.
They are colleges within the National University

Trinity is an entity of its own, as the Dublin University.

Ave Sodalis

OSI wrote: »

So UCD or Trinity aren't Universities then?

Neither is UL by that definition.

OP, you are aware that Universities can (and do) offer level 7 courses?

Allyall

A College:

A college (Latin: collegium) is an educational institution or a constituent part of one. Usage of the word college varies in English-speaking nations. A college may be a degree-awarding tertiary educational institution, a part of a collegiate university, or an institution offering vocational education.

in Ireland, the UK, New Zealand, Australia, Canada and other former and present Commonwealth nations, "college" may refer to a secondary or high school, a college of further education, a training institution that awards trade qualifications, or a constituent part of a university.

Seems they're right and you're wrong.. :P

MurdyWurdy

My husband's ex step-sister put on her Facebook that she was studying to become a doctor of holistic medicine - she was going a one year beauty therapy course at the local college of further education. My hubby was doing a PhD at the time (so actually studying to be able to use the title Doctor) and he was disgusted! Some people are just delusional

Ave Sodalis

norrie rugger wrote: »

Maynooth, DCU, UCD, UCC, UL, Galway are all members of the NUI though.
They are colleges within the National University

Trinity is an entity of its own, as the Dublin University.

Ul isn't anymore http://www.nui.ie/elections/docs/institutions.pdf

GarIT

I give up I loose.

hardCopy

norrie rugger wrote: »

Maynooth, DCU, UCD, UCC, UL, Galway are all members of the NUI though.
They are colleges within the National University

Trinity is an entity of its own, as the Dublin University.

DCU and UL are not part of the NUI, they're independent universities.

St Pats and Mater Dei are part of DCU and Mary I is part of UL.

NCAD is part of the NUI as well.

IM0

norrie rugger wrote: »

Maynooth, DCU, UCD, UCC, UL, Galway are all members of the NUI though.
They are colleges within the National University

Trinity is an entity of its own, as the Dublin University.

did they not teach you anything in college, source!

Ziphius

norrie rugger wrote: »

Maynooth, DCU, UCD, UCC, UL, Galway are all members of the NUI though.
They are colleges within the National University

Trinity is an entity of its own, as the Dublin University.

DCU and UL are separate from the NUI. Both originate from the old NIHE system.

UCD, UCC, NUIG, and NUIM are all part of the NUI but considered universities in their own right too.

Which, I guess, begs the question is the NUI our wight university?

Allyall

Ziphius wrote: »

DCU and UL are separate from the NUI. Both originate from the old NIHE system.

UCD, UCC, NUIG, and NUIM are all part of the NUI but considered universities in their own right too.

Which, I guess, begs the question is the NUI our wight university?

What about ESB?

Cody Pomeray

MurdyWurdy wrote: »

My husband's ex step-sister put on her Facebook that she was studying to become a doctor of holistic medicine - she was going a one year beauty therapy course at the local college of further education. My hubby was doing a PhD at the time (so actually studying to be able to use the title Doctor) and he was disgusted! Some people are just delusional

I don't get it, why was he disgusted?

Ziphius

Allyall wrote: »

What about ESB?

Ah, part of ESB group.

MurdyWurdy

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I don't get it, why was he disgusted?

because he has spent 8 years at university, working extremely hard to earn the right to use the title Doctor. She was doing a one year course after finishing school and was telling people she would be a doctor at the end of it.

IM0

SOUCES OR GTFO, and wikipedia doesnt count, you should know that :P

Corruptedmorals

GarIT wrote: »

No ITs offer some level 7 courses, if you offer a level 7 course you're not a uni.

Better tell Trinity, since they offer level 6's.

Nobody is calling the places you're talking about universities. But colleges refers to any institution offering further education, which fits their definitions exactly. What would you call them instead? I have a useless Level 8 myself from a university and I'm going back to do a very useful Level 5. From a college. There's no other name for it.