Suggested Change to the "Report A Post" Function

mathepac

I've already been shot down, twice I think, on my suggestion for mods to reply to "Report A Post" messages (some do, some don't)

There is a different suggestion I'd like to make.

How difficult would it be to send a copy of the "Report A Post" message to the initiator? Once typed these ephemeral little beggars exist only in the initiators' minds and the only copy is with the mods.

Orim

I would imagine it'd be very difficult as the reports go into a forum. And I can't see them giving access to the reports forum.

mathepac

OK, but in order to assemble a PM to, me for example, all the data needed exist.

For the duration on my session on boards.ie my user-name is known, the content I have just typed into "Report A Post" is known and the PM function is known. Fire those two variables at the PM function with a with a third variable as the title, concat "Reported Post" & "Thread Title" - done.

There's a first stab at design and when implemented it gives me a copy of any posts I report as a PM or as an email as my email address is also known.

Orim

Fair enough but in that case would it not be pretty much the same as copying your report and PMing it to yourself?

Zaph

I'm probably missing something obvious, but if you've reported it I really don't see what function it would serve notifying you that you've reported a post.

mathepac

Orim wrote: »

Fair enough but in that case would it not be pretty much the same as copying your report and PMing it to yourself?

If you neglect to go through the multi-step process of PMing yourself before clicking <SUBMIT> it's all gone.

Zaph wrote: »

... but if you've reported it I really don't see what function it would serve notifying you that you've reported a post.

To keep a record, a little tickle-list, to see what happens with my (or any users) post reports

OldGoat

mathepac wrote: »

If you neglect to go through the multi-step process of PMing yourself before clicking <SUBMIT> it's all gone.
To keep a record, a little tickle-list, to see what happens with my (or any users) post reports

As has been pointed out in other threads similar to this one you won't necessarly see any actions taken on your reported post. Some actions taken by mods are not going to be visible. Hence your record of report/action taken would never be complete.

The Hill Billy

mathepac wrote: »

...to see what happens with my (or any users) post reports

You would not necessarily see what happens though. Some (maybe most) moderator actions are not actually taken on-thread.




Edit: Snap, OG!

Ken.

Would a read report like what you have for most emails be possible. Say I reported Oldgoat's post above me. Then when Lolth or Trojan see that report theirs a little read button that they tick. I get a pm saying a mod has seen my post.
If after receiving it nothing happens I can either bump it up to cmod/admin or take it the mod didn't feel it needed to be actioned and leave it be.

At least i'd know it was seen. This could also be useful for fora where maybe the mods aren't active that much. If you see you've reported a few posts and they aren't even read then you can let the cmod's/admins know.

MugMugs

mathepac wrote: »

To keep a record, a little tickle-list, to see what happens with my (or any users) post reports

Why? What's it got to do with you what happens? You've raised your concern your interest ends there.

Gambler

ken wrote: »

Would a read report like what you have for most emails be possible. Say I reported Oldgoat's post above me. Then when Lolth or Trojan see that report theirs a little read button that they tick. I get a pm saying a mod has seen my post.
If after receiving it nothing happens I can either bump it up to cmod/admin or take it the mod didn't feel it needed to be actioned and leave it be.

At least i'd know it was seen. This could also be useful for fora where maybe the mods aren't active that much. If you see you've reported a few posts and they aren't even read then you can let the cmod's/admins know.

I can say that this won't always work - for example when I get a reported post notification email I click the link in the email and go directly to the reported post. I then do whatever needs doing and may not necessarily go to the reported post thread at all unless it's something I need to discuss further with co-mods or that I need to run up the line to a CMod or Admin..

P. Breathnach

MugMugs wrote: »

Why? What's it got to do with you what happens? You've raised your concern your interest ends there.

I disagree.

Mods don't always get things right, and I sometimes follow up on reported posts when I think that a mod has not acted on a report. Stage 1: use the report post button a second time; stage 2: write to Cmods.

It would be a great deal more convenient for me if I had a record of my report(s).

muffler

mathepac wrote: »

To keep a record, a little tickle-list, to see what happens with my (or any users) post reports

Here ya go

Dades

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Mods don't always get things right, and I sometimes follow up on reported posts when I think that a mod has not acted on a report. Stage 1: use the report post button a second time; stage 2: write to Cmods.

It would be a great deal more convenient for me if I had a record of my report(s).

The stages you describe are the way to go if you think appropriate action has not been taken. But don't forget the report goes to several mods as well as CMods, so if nothing happens, then it's not just one person who has decided this. And when a mod deals with something privately, you aren't going to know about it.

Furthermore, I think the vast majority of posters/reporters aren't going to want their reports clogging up their inbox, so adding this option to record is a lot of work without any real benefit to the community.

Lastly, it stands to reason that most posts that warrant reporting are reasonably self-explanatory and there's rarely need for anything more than a cursory one-liner, i.e. something that requires a record. A suggestion to you might be, if the offending post requires verbose explanation on your part, PM the mods instead to keep a record.

ken wrote: »

Would a read report like what you have for most emails be possible. Say I reported Oldgoat's post above me. Then when Lolth or Trojan see that report theirs a little read button that they tick. I get a pm saying a mod has seen my post.

I rarely click into the reported post thread, the email notification has a link the (potentially) offending post and the text of the report itself.

MugMugs

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I disagree.

Mods don't always get things right, and I sometimes follow up on reported posts when I think that a mod has not acted on a report. Stage 1: use the report post button a second time; stage 2: write to Cmods.

It would be a great deal more convenient for me if I had a record of my report(s).

Point here is that you don't know what action has been taken and nor do you need to know.

smash

how about a quick report option for spam?

P. Breathnach

MugMugs wrote: »

Point here is that you don't know what action has been taken and nor do you need to know.

There has been an effort over the past couple of years to make boards more open and accountable to its users. I have tried to contribute to that process.

While I accept that I should not be privy to every mod action, it sometimes appears to me that mods are inactive in certain forums, and my report is simply not being dealt with - and I don't mean that a mod has considered it and made a call, but that it has not even been considered.

Myrddin

P. Breathnach wrote: »

While I accept that I should not be privy to every mod action, it sometimes appears to me that mods are inactive in certain forums, and my report is simply not being dealt with - and I don't mean that a mod has considered it and made a call, but that it has not even been considered.

As was mentioned, a reported post message is sent to every mod in the particular forum, along with all the Cmods of the category the forum resides in. If no action seems to be taken, then its not that one mod hasn't bothered reading/actioning the reported post, its probably more likely either the matter was dealt with privately, or else the post didn't warrant action.

Tombi!

By the by, over what P. Breathnach just said: do Cmods/Admins get notified if a post is reported or do they have to go manually hunting through the forum?

Why can't you just PM one of the mods if you think nothing's been done about it?

Unless it's something that really should be removed, like spam or porn... does it matter? I mean once you report it, that's it. Unless you're getting into an argument with someone and deciding to report all their posts you think are against the rules... who cares?

I'm not saying your sole reason is because you want to see the post infracted or something but that's what it's coming across as.

OldGoat

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

By the by, over what P. Breathnach just said: do Cmods/Admins get notified if a post is reported or do they have to go manually hunting through the forum?

We CMods get Email notification of every reported post in the catergory. We tend to leave the reports to the forum mods unless there is a clear reason to step in. Spam, porn etc I'll jump on straight away. Reports that have been left and there is no sign of a mod online I'll take a look at too. Reports requiring policy decisions are left to the forum mods, we try not interfer.

P. Breathnach

EnterNow wrote: »

As was mentioned, a reported post message is sent to every mod in the particular forum, along with all the Cmods of the category the forum resides in. If no action seems to be taken, then its not that one mod hasn't bothered reading/actioning the reported post, its probably more likely either the matter was dealt with privately, or else the post didn't warrant action.

I expect that Cmods generally do not see a need to check on whether a reported post is dealt with by the forum mod(s). So if a mod is inactive or makes a bad call, there is no mechanism for fixing it unless the person reporting the post is persistent.

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

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I'm not saying your sole reason is because you want to see the post infracted or something but that's what it's coming across as.

You misread me.

Myrddin

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I expect that Cmods generally do not see a need to check on whether a reported post is dealt with by the forum mod(s). So if a mod is inactive or makes a bad call, there is no mechanism for fixing it unless the person reporting the post is persistent.

The fact that the local mod team, & the category mod team get a reported post message is usually more than enough to make sure there is enough attention thrown the way of reported posts. If there's no action taken after all the eyes that see it, its likely been dealt with privately or else wasn't really an offending post.

Users, I would think, are also usually free to pm the local mods to query any apparent misunderstanding about a reported post. It seems to me, there's plenty of avenue here to address a potential issue?

P. Breathnach

EnterNow wrote: »

The fact that the local mod team, & the category mod team get a reported post message is usually more than enough to make sure there is enough attention thrown the way of reported posts. If there's no action taken after all the eyes that see it, its likely been dealt with privately or else wasn't really an offending post.

OldGoat has told us that Cmods tend not to interfere. So my point about mod(s) being inactive or making a bad call stands.

Users, I would think, are also usually free to pm the local mods to query any apparent misunderstanding about a reported post. It seems to me, there's plenty of avenue here to address a potential issue?

Pretty well what I said: the person reporting the post needs to be persistent.

Myrddin

P. Breathnach wrote: »

OldGoat has told us that Cmods tend not to interfere. So my point about mod(s) being inactive or making a bad call stands.

We don't tend to interfere where local mods are active & we leave the local modding to the local mods. That doesn't mean we don't take note of reported posts though, and as Old Goat mentioned, spam & porn etc all get dealt with on sight. Reports of abuse/bullying/trolling are always looked at by Cmods. Mods will give their relevant Cmods an afk notice if they're going to be unable to carry out modding, & in that case the Cmods will pay extra attention to that forum. There's also a procedure in place where Cmods & Admins can address a mod thats been inactive for a prolonged duration.

So again, just because you can't see any action taken from a reported post...it doesn't mean there hasn't been or won't be. Not every report warrants action either.

The Hill Billy

P. Breathnach wrote: »

OldGoat has told us that Cmods tend not to interfere. So my point about mod(s) being inactive or making a bad call stands.

If you have a genuine concern there is nobody actively moderating a forum over a period of time or that there has been inappropriate moderation - you can always PM the CMods.

But again, we will thank you - but that may all that you will hear about it. Any CMod action taken will probably be in the background.

P. Breathnach

The Hill Billy wrote: »

If you have a genuine concern there is nobody actively moderating a forum over a period of time or that there has been inappropriate moderation - you can always PM the CMods.

But again, we will thank you - but that may all that you will hear about it. Any CMod action taken will probably be in the background.

Been-there-done-that in relation to a forum's sole mod being inactive. Wasn't thanked (I'm not too bothered about that). No result.

The mod responses in this thread are made on the presumption that everything is done properly. Systems that involve people do not always work as well as they are intended to.

Dades

P. Breathnach wrote: »

The mod responses in this thread are made on the presumption that everything is done properly. Systems that involve people do not always work as well as they are intended to.

And an automated personal reminder of what posts you've reported is going to solve what, exactly?

P. Breathnach

Dades wrote: »

And an automated personal reminder of what posts you've reported is going to solve what, exactly?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84586640&postcount=12

Dades

Effectively you're saying you can't trust the mods/CMods to act on reports and therefore must keep a personal log of reported posts to follow up on.

Solving your paper trail records with a custom feature isn't going to solve your trust/confidence issues which I suspect is the real problem here.

P. Breathnach

Dades wrote: »

Effectively you're saying you can't trust the mods/CMods to act on reports and therefore must keep a personal log of reported posts to follow up on.

Solving your paper trail records with a custom feature isn't going to solve your trust/confidence issues which I suspect is the real problem here.

Would you care to tell me more about my personal defects?

hullaballoo

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Would you care to tell me more about my personal defects?

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!


Also, you can just switch on track PMs. That will tell you whether you PM has been read by whomever. If it has and nothing happens, I mean, nothing actually happens, then it's likely the person didn't think anything needed to be done.

P. Breathnach

hullaballoo wrote: »

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

I think you will find that you have confused me with PBreathnach.

Also, you can just switch on track PMs. That will tell you whether you PM has been read by whomever. If it has and nothing happens, I mean, nothing actually happens, then it's likely the person didn't think anything needed to be done.

That's the sort of thing I would like! "Report post" does not function in that way. I do not have a record of what I said. In most cases, it doesn't matter; once in a while it does.

Thanks for the positive engagement.

OldGoat

P. Breathnach wrote: »

That's the sort of thing I would like! "Report post" does not function in that way. I do not have a record of what I said. In most cases, it doesn't matter; once in a while it does.

Thanks for the positive engagement.

It's unworkable as outlined. To generate a "report read" receipt would rely on a mod opening the post in the reported post forum but the majority of mods now respond to reported posts via the email link that is sent to them rather then actually going into the reported posts forum.

On the other side I frequently go into the reported posts forum and read posts there without taking any action on them. My browsing would generate a 'Report Read' reply but it would not mean that I've done anything about it and have left it for the forum mod to take care of.

As things stand adding a trying to add a 'report read' auto-notification would be redundant.

To make it feasable you would have to remove access to reported posts via emails which means that the mods and cmods would not receive notifications and that would be to the detrement of the forum.


EDIT: I may have misunderstood what you are suggesting. I'm working on the assumtpion that you would like to see a 'Report read' receipt auto-generated when a reported post is read by the mods in the Reported Posts fourm.

Zaph

hullaballoo wrote: »

Also, you can just switch on track PMs. That will tell you whether you PM has been read by whomever.

It's probably worth mentioning that it is possible to click no to sending a read-receipt notification, so although the PM may have been read the sender wouldn't necessarily know it had.

hullaballoo

Zaph wrote: »

It's probably worth mentioning that it is possible to click no to sending a read-receipt notification, so although the PM may have been read the sender wouldn't necessarily know it had.

Yes, I meant to mention that. But again, that may have its own value.


Tbh, I don't think this is a reported posts issue anymore. It's turned into an issue that has been discussed many times in the past: whether there can be an obligation to let people know that a report/PM/request has been addressed. That's totally a trust issue and not something that can be fixed by an automated feature.

This exact issue was discussed last month, here. As you can see, there are plenty of viewpoints. The main one from a Mod point of view is that it is a time-sink. The other major point is that even a tick-box/auto-PM feature would require site dev and seemingly the resources are not there at the moment to add features on a whim.

mathepac

MugMugs wrote: »

Why? What's it got to do with you what happens? You've raised your concern your interest ends there.

I don't agree. If I report and nothing happens I'll know not to waste everyone's time the next time I see a similar post. Similarly if I report and see an action I'll know that was appropriate. It's called learning. I'd need to keep track of my reports to learn.

mathepac

Dades wrote: »

And an automated personal reminder of what posts you've reported is going to solve what, exactly?

See above

mathepac

hullaballoo wrote: »

... The other major point is that even a tick-box/auto-PM feature would require site dev and seemingly the resources are not there at the moment to add features on a whim.

I don't request changes on a whim - I make suggestions to improve the site from a poster's perspective.

Orion

mathepac wrote: »

I don't request changes on a whim - I make suggestions to improve the site from a poster's perspective.

I fail to see how this would improve the site as you say. Even in a relatively peaceful forum such as Parenting I see reported posts which we take no action on because they are not in breach of charters or site rules. Those reports just get read and ignored. What a poster may see as an actionable post may not be - we are constrained by the charter ourselves too.

If you really feel that a post is actionable and nothing happens then you can PM the mods/Cmods for further action and they will be read - even if no further action is taken. I really fail to see why you would need anything more than that. you have done your civic duty in reporting the post - pat yourself on the back and move on.
I'll give an analogy: if you suspect a child protection issue (neglect, abuse, whatever) you are mandated to report it to either the HSE or police. Once that's done and they are investigating you will never hear the result of the investigation or what actions have been taken. Ever. I'm not drawing a comparison to someone acting the dick on boards to neglect of a child but the principle of your report being looked into and you left out of the result is the same.

mathepac

Orion wrote: »

I fail to see how this would improve the site as you say. ...

I know and I believe that feedback exists because you don't see the site or use it from an ordinary poster's perspective

Orion wrote: »

.... Even in a relatively peaceful forum such as Parenting I see reported posts which we take no action on because they are not in breach of charters or site rules. Those reports just get read and ignored. ...

And maybe if the loop was closed to the reporter (as I suggested before) by explaining why no action was taken, the number of reported post would reduce, thus freeing up valuable time / reducing the need for so many mods.

Orion wrote: »

.... you have done your civic duty in reporting the post - pat yourself on the back and move on.....

There is nothing to remind me that I did a "Report Post" a lot of the time. Unless I am an active participant in a particular thread, it may not be at the forefront of my mind and may just fade away. And I may then report / not report a similar post because I heard nothing back.

Orion wrote: »

.... I really fail to see why you would need anything more than that. you have done your civic duty in reporting the post - pat yourself on the back and move on. ....

Ah always the hard word. Sarcasm? Trolling? Is it worth reporting?

Orion wrote: »

... I'll give an analogy: if you suspect a child protection issue (neglect, abuse, whatever) you are mandated to report it to either the HSE or police. Once that's done and they are investigating you will never hear the result of the investigation or what actions have been taken. Ever. I'm not drawing a comparison to someone acting the dick on boards to neglect of a child but the principle of your report being looked into and you left out of the result is the same.

That's not an analogy. You most assuredly are drawing comparisons and it's outrageous you can see even the remotest similarities.

Insect Overlord

This is the advice given with the Report Post button:

This is used to report a post that needs to be brought to the attention of a forum moderator. Please say briefly why you reported this post, and the relevant moderators will consider if the post warrants any further action. All reported posts are recorded, reviewed and considered.

Thank you for helping to make boards.ie a better place.

I've added the bold emphasis myself. The point is this:

A user should report a post if they feel, for whatever reason, that a moderator should be made aware of it. You send the report based on how you feel about the post. It's not about how you imagine the moderators might feel.

That's all there is to it.

Dades

mathepac wrote: »

I don't agree. If I report and nothing happens I'll know not to waste everyone's time the next time I see a similar post. Similarly if I report and see an action I'll know that was appropriate. It's called learning. I'd need to keep track of my reports to learn.

Do you currently follow up every reported post to see if anything has been done?

Again, everyone keeps ignoring the invisible moderation that often happens. How do know this hasn't happened before you decide not to 'waste everyone's time' reporting a similar post?

mathepac

Dades wrote: »

Do you currently follow up every reported post to see if anything has been done?

I've just finished explaining how that is impossible as I have no link back to any post I report. If you want to make a constructive contribution at least take the time to read the thread.

very foggy lad

Leave the damxthing along all ye want is someone to thanks yer post. You are worse than be drivers..

OldGoat

mathepac wrote: »

I've just finished explaining how that is impossible as I have no link back to any post I report. If you want to make a constructive contribution at least take the time to read the thread.

OldGoat wrote: »

As has been pointed out in other threads similar to this one you won't necessarly see any actions taken on your reported post. Some actions taken by mods are not going to be visible. Hence your record of report/action taken would never be complete.

Even if you did get notification of your reported post you would not have access to the full range of mod actions. If one of your reported posts subsequently shows no visible action will you assume that no action has been taken and would you then raise it again either as a fresh report or via PM to the mods?

What I'm trying to understand is that if you have a list of reported posts and some of those have no visible action taken on them what have you achieved? What do you expect to happen then?

oscarBravo

mathepac wrote: »

And maybe if the loop was closed to the reporter (as I suggested before) by explaining why no action was taken, the number of reported post would reduce, thus freeing up valuable time / reducing the need for so many mods.

We've had this conversation before. While accepting your view that it might contribute something to the quality of moderation, it is our belief that the potential benefits that might accrue wouldn't justify the fairly considerable increase in workload for our volunteer moderators.

There is nothing to remind me that I did a "Report Post" a lot of the time. Unless I am an active participant in a particular thread, it may not be at the forefront of my mind and may just fade away. And I may then report / not report a similar post because I heard nothing back.

Yes. But that's the system we currently have, and it works reasonably well. I don't think you've successfully made the case that the system is so deeply flawed that it requires development effort (which is a scarce and therefore not a free resource) as well as increasing the moderators' workload.

That's not an analogy. You most assuredly are drawing comparisons and it's outrageous you can see even the remotest similarities.

I'm puzzled as to why this issue has you so exercised that you're outraged by what struck me as a not unreasonable analogy, especially when it was suitably qualified.

Dades

mathepac wrote: »

I've just finished explaining how that is impossible as I have no link back to any post I report. If you want to make a constructive contribution at least take the time to read the thread.

Ignoring your theatrical exasperation for the moment, if you were that bent on following up there are options open to you. You could cut and paste the link to and text of every reported post into a draft email. Or make a wee note on a sheet of paper.

Personally I don't think you want this option for anything other than attempting to build a record of mods failing to act, for reasons yet unknown. And still no acknowledgment that posts/posters are moderated off-thread meaning even a log is pointless.

mathepac

oscarBravo wrote: »

We've had this conversation before. ...

I didn't realise there was a limit to the number of times a topic could be discussed, albeit in passing.

oscarBravo wrote: »

... While accepting your view that it might contribute something to the quality of moderation, it is our belief that the potential benefits that might accrue wouldn't justify the fairly considerable increase in workload for our volunteer moderators. ...

I'm not sure what you're referring to here. It is my firm belief that my current proposal could over time reduce the workload as I have already described in the thread. And please leave the volunteering thing out, it's done to death. If mods want to mod, let them shut up about the "volunteering" and mod away, otherwise let them find alternative hobbies.

oscarBravo wrote: »

... Yes. But that's the system we currently have, and it works reasonably well. I don't think you've successfully made the case that the system is so deeply flawed that it requires development effort (which is a scarce and therefore not a free resource) as well as increasing the moderators' workload. ...

I don't see how. As I've said before, as none of you seem to want feedback, delete the forum.

oscarBravo wrote: »

... I'm puzzled as to why this issue has you so exercised that you're outraged by what struck me as a not unreasonable analogy, especially when it was suitably qualified.

boards.ie is merely a commercial website. To attempt to put it on a par or to use it in a comparison with child safety stretches the imagination beyond any credible limit.

The Hill Billy

mathepac wrote: »

?..And please leave the volunteering thing out, it's done to death. If mods want to mod, let them shut up about the "volunteering" and mod away, otherwise let them find alternative hobbies...

You raise this yet again. Really, let it go.

The 'volunteer moderator' model is how the site owners & administrators want boards.ie to be run. It works very well for most forums & most posters seem to be content with it. As a matter of fact, the only poster out of the hundreds of thousand registered users who consistently complains about this is you.

Have you thought that maybe the issue is with you & not this site?

oscarBravo

mathepac wrote: »

I didn't realise there was a limit to the number of times a topic could be discussed, albeit in passing.

There certainly doesn't seem to be any limit to the number of times you ask this website to invest developer effort and/or change procedures for reasons that are never quite completely clear.

Yes, I get that you believe it could improve moderation, but generally when someone goes on and on and on about how something could be improved, it suggests that they feel that it is badly lacking and desperately needs the improvement.

If you feel that the moderation is so badly lacking that it requires diverting developer resources towards systems for improving it, or the introduction of new procedures which we would (presumably) require all our moderators to follow, you're really going to have to make a case for it. I don't think I'm alone in feeling that you haven't made that case.

I'm not sure what you're referring to here. It is my firm belief that my current proposal could over time reduce the workload as I have already described in the thread.

It might. It might not. It's quite the risk to take, and - given that I think our moderation process works pretty well in general - I can't see the payoff.

And please leave the volunteering thing out, it's done to death. If mods want to mod, let them shut up about the "volunteering" and mod away, otherwise let them find alternative hobbies.

And if they're happy to moderate according to our current processes, but don't want to take on the extra workload required to be fully mathepac-compliant, that's OK? We'll just have to make do with whatever smaller number of moderators are willing to do things to your satisfaction?

I don't see how. As I've said before, as none of you seem to want feedback, delete the forum.

With all due respect, it comes across as rather petulant to suggest that there shouldn't be a Feedback forum just because we don't implement your every suggestion.

boards.ie is merely a commercial website. To attempt to put it on a par or to use it in a comparison with child safety stretches the imagination beyond any credible limit.

The person who made the analogy stated clearly that he wasn't comparing the two. You rejected this qualification out of hand, which strikes me as little more than an excuse to ignore the actual (valid) point of the analogy.

If I'm coming across as dismissive, it's because, frankly, I don't get what your motives are for the changes you seek. Nominally, you are claiming that these changes are in the best interests of the site, but your generally hostile and snarky tone in these threads doesn't ring true.

If you feel you badly need a record of every post you've reported for reasons you haven't fully articulated here, copy and paste the URL of each post you report into a spreadsheet.

Turtwig

mathepac wrote: »

And please leave the volunteering thing out, it's done to death. If mods want to mod, let them shut up about the "volunteering" and mod away, otherwise let them find alternative hobbies. .

If modding were to become a ridiculously impractical labour exploitation like role there'd probably be no mods left.Even if mods were getting paid they'd still have limits to the work the do. So, please don't tell people to shut up about volunteering. Your solutions needs to be workable. Dismissing the people who'll implement your proposed solutions, is well, frankly, a god awful morbid and insensitive way of running any venture, never mind the fact that this is supposedly an online community.