Adhesive question

david75

We want to tile our kitchen floor(currently old lino) with pennies. Got the measurements figured out and the right amount from the bank.

Just can't figure out which sort of adhesive to use thats cost effective and reliable. Tech 7 is far too expensive. Did a trial run of universal polybond and no more nails. Won't know the outcome of that tip tomorrow.

Can I use regular floor tile adhesive? Or regular superglue? And can that be bought in later tubs? Google hasn't been any help.
Hope someone here knows
Thanks in advance.

dodzy

david75 wrote: »

We want to tile our kitchen floor(currently old lino) with pennies. Got the measurements figured out and the right amount from the bank.

Just can't figure out which sort of adhesive to use thats cost effective and reliable. Tech 7 is far too expensive. Did a trial run of universal polybond and no more nails. Won't know the outcome of that tip tomorrow.

Can I use regular floor tile adhesive? Or regular superglue? And can that be bought in later tubs? Google hasn't been any help.
Hope someone here knows
Thanks in advance.

I hope you're not takin the piss.

Tec 7, polybond, superglue - NO.

Technically, TEC 7 would work, but you'd have to spend €000s. Ridiculous to even consider the above 3 options

Regular adhesive - YES

easier if you are tiling onto concrete flooring.

Oh, and don't bother waiting for the outcome of that tip

I take it you are not doing the work yourself.

A quick look here will give you some ideas

http://www.handyhardware.ie/cat/Tile-Grout-Adhesives/305/1124

20kg bags.

kev1.3s

david75 wrote: »

We want to tile our kitchen floor(currently old lino) with pennies. Got the measurements figured out and the right amount from the bank.

Just can't figure out which sort of yadhesive to use thats cost effective and reliable. Tech 7 is far too expensive. Did a trial run of universal polybond and no more nails. Won't know the outcome of that tip tomorrow.

Can I use regular floor tile adhesive? Or regular superglue? And can that be bought in later tubs? Google hasn't been any help.
Hope someone here knows
Thanks in advance.

I assume you are talking about ceramic tiles? If they are ceramic on a concrete floor regular rapid set would be sufficient although I would always recommend using a flexible adhesive anyway , if you're tiles are porcelain you will need flexible anyway.

kev1.3s

or having just read the op post are you actually tiling the floor with pennies?
If so regular tile adhesive won't do.

dodzy

kev1.3s wrote: »

or having just read the op post are you actually tiling the floor with pennies?
If so regular tile adhesive won't do.

Jesus, just read it myself. Nice spot kev;)

@OP, how many pennies ???

prospect

Forget about adhesive, how would you grout them.

The thousands of tiny gaps, you can pour and 'squeege' in the grout because it will also grout in around the etchings on the faces of the pennies.

If you are being serious, the only way I can think of is to make up enough 1' square boards to cover the floor out of WBP board.
Coat each board with some kine of hard plaster/mortar and push the pennies down into it until they are flush.
Finally fix the penny covered boards to the ground.
You'll also have to put a good quality varnish/protective coat over it.


Mad, you are mad. But feck it.

homer911

+100 on the protective coat - they might all turn green..

david75

Ok thanks Lads:) and sadly yes I must be nuts and am deadly serious.

Turns out, no more nails (which is cheap as chips in me local hardware shop) works a charm. The ones I did last night set like concrete and I've gone at them with a knife to try lift a few and they won't budge. So I'm going with that.
Too late I was told about this stuff araldite but I've committed now.
Gonna either varnish or find an epoxy resin for the varnishing/sealing of it.

Grout is an issue. Hoped to do it but now it looks as that previous poster mentioned that'd catch on the faces of the coins. And being the OCD sh!te that I am, they all have to be harp side up. It's sloooooow going but perseverance is key. Here's where I'm at

david75

Also, got €40 worth of pennies, which is 4000 pennies. I've got €10 down so far and have nothing done so my maths were clearly all wrong. Screw it. I've committed to it.

paddy147

david75 wrote: »

Ok thanks Lads:) and sadly yes I must be nuts and am deadly serious.

Turns out, no more nails (which is cheap as chips in me local hardware shop) works a charm. The ones I did last night set like concrete and I've gone at them with a knife to try lift a few and they won't budge. So I'm going with that.
Too late I was told about this stuff araldite but I've committed now.
Gonna either varnish or find an epoxy resin for the varnishing/sealing of it.

Grout is an issue. Hoped to do it but now it looks as that previous poster mentioned that'd catch on the faces of the coins. And being the OCD sh!te that I am, they all have to be harp side up. It's sloooooow going but perseverance is key. Here's where I'm at

1 question.......


























































WHY????????

whowantstwoknow

Stop now, and may I suggest you use the remaining change on a few pints...its obvious you need them!! :-)

kev1.3s

I reckon that floor grout is to course to catch in the grooves, that is if you don't use any of this fine grout and use a washboy to wash it off before it starts too set. Also some of those "panel adhesives " are NOT waterproof may I suggest arc ms11.

ihavethepower

have you thought of getting something like a vinyl print? stick that down and then paint on a clear tough coat?

One shot on kill

Yes you are nuts

Yes you need pints

Yes I want a picture please post one up.

david75

So far. At it all day. This is €20 believe it or not. I've commited now. May as well keep at it. Nervous about grout/varnish though.

debabyjesus

david75 wrote: »

So far. At it all day. This is €20 believe it or not. I've commited now. May as well keep at it. Nervous about grout/varnish though.

Looks well... You'll need something pretty hardwearing to protect them. you could try inlay a design with tarnished ones... a big harp possibly

Wils110

Your floor will it not go green,and throw in some 5 cents so when your mates are over on the piss you can challenge them to find them

dodzy

Nice tile underneath. With a little work, you could have recovered them nicely.

Pkiernan

dodzy wrote: »

Nice tile underneath. With a little work, you could have recovered them nicely.

Emmm...that's dirty filthy lino, not tile.

david75

Yeah, looking into fine powdered grout and good hard varnish and resin.

Really wanted to get some old green oxidised ones for a pattern in the middle but that'd take to long. Gonna cheat and paint some
It'll probably all go green at some point but that'd be cool too.

paddy147

david75 wrote: »

Yeah, looking into fine powdered grout and good hard varnish and resin.

Really wanted to get some old green oxidised ones for a pattern in the middle but that'd take to long. Gonna cheat and paint some
It'll probably all go green at some point but that'd be cool too.

Its crooked and you are gone off line allready.

The naked eye leads you towards that allready.


I really cant understand why you are doing this???

And especially ontop of old dirty/unclean lino that has movment in it when a person walks over it.


That will all crack and lift in a matter of time,and the coins wont last long there...in a high usage area like a kitchen.









But its your house,so whatever floats your boat.

Calibos

Have to agree with DIY Maestro Paddy. While I can see quirky potential in the idea, the implementation thus far looks dreadful, won't last with a lino base as others have said and does not look suited for your current kitchen style.

What I mean by potential is that the light shining on the copper looks pretty cool. However, it would look cool (If laid right) in an ultra modern kitchen (copper sheet kick panels and cooker hood etc) in an open plan room in a hip New York penthouse apartment. NOT!!! in a bog standard 3 bed semi kitchen.

Can you honestly say that it even looks well laid even if one puts aside all the other issues we've mentioned?? Its all over the place!! Some sections have the coins packed tighter, ie each line of coins inset into the gaps of the previous line like they should be and then that line up the island has then lined edge to edge if you get me.

You should have tacked batons down to give you straight edges to work against. Not worried about harp side up, dumped coins on the floor and spread out till they were 1 coin deep and used a straight edge to push the coins into place. Would have taken a fraction of the time and you would have had perfect straight rows.

Anyway, I can't help but think this is a troll post. It would have been legendary if you had posted it in Afterhours but DIY just hasn't got the viewership to do such a troll post justice.

rovoagho

Myself and the wife plan on doing a room with all the pebbles we've collected over the years when we self-build, got the idea from an episode with something similar on Grand Designs. It was finished with poured acrylic.

david75

I'm deadly serious and I hate straight lines, and there are no straight lines in this kitchen whatsoever. House is ancient. And thatd be boring and look manufactured if it were all straight. It was actually an honest post and honest question But thanks.
If it goes tits up, even if it all goes green, that'd be cool too cos I like that look. Either way its a sh!te old bit of Lino and take all of 2 minutes to lift up and dump.

Shame on me for tryna do something different i guess.

rovoagho

I think it looks great. It'll be a muck magnet though, and I don't just mean verdigris.

debabyjesus

Why should it be all straight and exact? I think it looks well as it is. You should take the time to build a pattern in the middle of it with tarnished coins or even different coins.

Did you clean the lino with a good solvent or something first? The coins should stay stuck to the lino but as mentioned above anything you put over them will crack with the movement in the lino..

david75

Believe it of not I used a tech 7 cleaner/degreaser on all of it and it came up as you see it, which is infinitely better than it was! I'm doing a leaf pattern in the centre, want to do it in 5 and 2c coins fizzing out into 1c coins. If it breaks it breaks. One factor I forgot about cos he just got back. To my eternal shame.

dardevle

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looks good so far.....have been researching this for a while and collecting my pennies - will be doing a hearth for beneath the stove when I have more cents (sense!).....

this site has some useful info for you:


http://adetailedhouse.com/2012/07/28/cents-and-sensibility-how-to-make-a-penny-floor/

stick with it:)

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david75

Thanks. I will. You'd swear I was burning babies alive with some of the replies.

Just grouted it with a flexi grout. We'll see how it goes.

Calibos

dardevle wrote: »

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looks good so far.....have been researching this for a while and collecting my pennies - will be doing a hearth for beneath the stove when I have more cents (sense!).....

this site has some useful info for you:


http://adetailedhouse.com/2012/07/28/cents-and-sensibility-how-to-make-a-penny-floor/

stick with it:)

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Clicked that link. The penny floors look fabulous.

However, are you telling me that neither you nor the OP can tell the difference between the penny floors on that link and the section of penny floor he has already done??

This thread was the first time I ever heard of the penny floor concept and yet I could tell the OP how they should be arranged. Jaysus, if one is going to go to the trouble of doing something like this, pay attention to detail!!

No offence OP. I admire the idea but if you're going to do it, do it right!

david75

Right? Your right isn't my right. Once again, there isn't a single straight line in our kitchen. It's be foolish to try make some. And I easily could have. It'd clash wildly with what's there already.
If its annoying you so much, you should try it. Easy to declaim from the safety of an armchair.

rovoagho

Each to their own. Drive on OP.

david75

I'd say the same to you.

paddy147

@ David75



Can I ask you this please....


How do you propose to seal the surface over,level it and make it a walkable,scuff proof and dog proof?

How do you propose to clean it aswell?.......rergarding cleaning agents/chemicals and what ever you seal/level the floor with

What about kickboards and appliences like fridge,dryer,dishwasher,washing machine,cooker etc?.......they may need to be moved or got at at some stage in the future.

Do you think it was a good or wize idea to leave the dirty lino underneath?......Because to me this is not a stable base to do what you are trying to do.






And please dont get all offended by my honest post and my questions.


Thanks.

kev1.3s

Not the best move leaving the lino down I think myself, is the lino stuck to the floor or just rolled out loose?
most tile sealers require a certain degree of "impregnation" and I don't personally believe any residual sealer left over on the tile surface stands up to foot traffic and household cleaning products. How about floor varnish? Or as someone else already pointed out for some£££ you could get it covered in resin and polished off but I wouldn't recommend spending huge money when you stuck them down on that lino!
Good to see you sticking to you're guns and in theory it could look great but I can see it ending in disaster.

david75

I have a company comin back to me tomorrow about araldite, which won't cost that much(yer man said) and it'll harden to a clear plastic. We'll see. When I was googling this, lots of others went straight down to Lino too and didn't report any problems(would they though, I guess) so we'll see. There's only €20 and its set and grouted so ill wait til tomorrow before continuing and just use that part of the floor as normal. It's a days work and €20. Not the end of the world if it starts comin up. If it does, I'll just rip up the Lino and start again maybe with ordinary glue instead. Fridge and washer are sort of inset into the presses so they're not really a consideration but I take your point. If it goes wrong or works out in happy either way, all a learning curve.

paddy147

Best of luck with it anyway.:)

david75

Lifted the lino for a look. It's not encouraging. Not sure how to proceed now.

kev1.3s

david75 wrote: »

Lifted the lino for a look. It's not encouraging. Not sure how to proceed now.

Scrap what you've already done lift the linoleum and start again. No use wasting more days.

david75

Yeah looks like ill have to. I'm thinking the concrete can't look any worse than this lino. I'd have to get some sort of degreaser for it though I'm thinking. Or how does one to about effectively cleaning concrete? Scrubbing brush and elbow grease?

dathi

scrap the lino and use a bag of floor leveling compound to give you a flat surface to work from;)

One shot on kill

david75 wrote: »

Yeah looks like ill have to. I'm thinking the concrete can't look any worse than this lino. I'd have to get some sort of degreaser for it though I'm thinking. Or how does one to about effectively cleaning concrete? Scrubbing brush and elbow grease?

The her elbow grease is better for the job doe.

ihavethepower

paddy147 wrote: »

Its crooked and you are gone off line allready.

The naked eye leads you towards that allready.
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Yeah, you should have started at the centre and worked your way out...lol
a circle design might have been nicer/easier to do

david75

Guess there's no point.

dee_mc

are they spare coins or did they lift from lino already?

cheif kaiser

I was thinking of doing something like this recently, was going to glue beer caps to a table top but never got around to it but came across this stuff http://catalog.rpmsupplies.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=50_101&product_id=596 which I was going to pour over the caps to seal them, it's not a bad price and might actually work as a sealer and grout for you! Just an idea:)

david75

dee_mc wrote: »

are they spare coins or did they lift from lino already?

Spent two hours hammering them off. The sick irony being it was like trying to hammer off concrete. These would have gone nowhere for years.
Feel sick for having bothered but worse for listening to anyone else.

kev1.3s

david75 wrote: »

Spent two hours hammering them off. The sick irony being it was like trying to hammer off concrete. These would have gone nowhere for years.
Feel sick for having bothered but worse for listening to anyone else.

Well if they were that stuck why didn't you stop after the first one?

david75

Got annoyed and took it out on them. Now planning on just pouring the whole bag out in town somewhere. See what happens. Or going and putting them into one of those change machines. That might work.

One shot on kill

david75 wrote: »

Got annoyed and took it out on them. Now planning on just pouring the whole bag out in town somewhere. See what happens. Or going and putting them into one of those change machines. That might work.

Dav stick at it lad

If its what you want just think about what exactly your gonna do this time.

Robbie.G

One shot on kill wrote: »

Dav stick at it lad

If its what you want just think about what exactly your gonna do this time.

I totally agree its a hell of a project you'll never forgive yourself if you don't see it through.Never mind what anyone thinks just plan your job and get stuck in post pics when finished the very best of luck