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High school student gives his teacher a lesson in education
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09-05-2013 12:36am#1
Oh man, the amount of teachers I would have loved to make this speech to!
I thought he made a lot of sense. Teaching is a tough job, but I always found I did better in classes where the teachers had an obvious interest in what they were teaching. Too many teachers were content to sit back and merely teach by rote and dish out homework, instead of instilling a love of the subject to their pupils.
Fair play to that kid.24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iflIOklflrgComments
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teachers job is to educate and teach kids the lessons on the curriculum so they pass their exams. It is not to spoon feed "passion" to them. The kid knows what he has to learn - let him sort out his own "passion" for the subject. I know some teachers "do" more than others but the main aim is to teach the kid the lesson on the curriculum. That's just a teenage rant, video'd might I add, with the hair nicely brushed to one side - attention seeking know it all. He should sit down, and zip it and get on with learning his subject. The wooden spoon wouldn't go amiss on him.
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fishy fishy wrote: »teachers job is to educate and teach kids the lessons on the curriculum so they pass their exams. It is not to spoon feed "passion" to them. The kid knows what he has to learn - let him sort out his own "passion" for the subject. I know some teachers "do" more than others but the main aim is to teach the kid the lesson on the curriculum. That's just a teenage rant, video'd might I add, with the hair nicely brushed to one side - attention seeking know it all. He should sit down, and zip it and get on with learning his subject. The wooden spoon wouldn't go amiss on him.
This attitude is the problem. Most teachers don't seem to think enthusiasm and passion are important. They are crucial. A massive part of teaching is motivating and encouraging the students. Most kids can sit down and read a textbook at home - why go to school just to read through packs and copy down notes from the whiteboard? That's not teaching.0 -
Kadence Warm Wing wrote: »This attitude is the problem. Most teachers don't seem to think enthusiasm and passion are important. They are crucial. A massive part of teaching is motivating and encouraging the students. Most kids can sit down and read a textbook at home - why go to school just to read through packs and copy down notes from the whiteboard? That's not teaching.
who said anything about reading a textbook - unless of course you have to read an english book. Teachers teach math (not reading - showing), they teach physics (again showing) biology, art, in fact most subjects are not just "reading". Hundreds of thousands of kids have been taught the same way by the same style teachers and go on to be extremely successful. The whinging usually comes from someone who is usually too dis-interested themselves as a person so "blames the bad teacher" as they are not stimulating them enough - even tho the majority of the rest of the class has no problem. Its up to the STUDENT to be interested - its usually the ranters that are not. Still, this kid will live and learn - maybe if he explains the situation to his parents, the parents will home-school him and give loads of "passion" to the subject (somehow I doubt it - easier to blame the teachers).
As I said this video looks like a "showpiece". I would have put him in the naughty corner myself. He needs a time out.
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I learned more when I left school to be honest. So clearly somethings not right.
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fishy fishy wrote: »who said anything about reading a textbook - unless of course you have to read an english book. Teachers teach math (not reading - showing), they teach physics (again showing) biology, art, in fact most subjects are not just "reading". Hundreds of thousands of kids have been taught the same way by the same style teachers and go on to be extremely successful. The whinging usually comes from someone who is usually too dis-interested themselves as a person so "blames the bad teacher" as they are not stimulating them enough - even tho the majority of the rest of the class has no problem. Its up to the STUDENT to be interested - its usually the ranters that are not. Still, this kid will live and learn - maybe if he explains the situation to his parents, the parents will home-school him and give loads of "passion" to the subject (somehow I doubt it - easier to blame the teachers).
As I said this video looks like a "showpiece". I would have put him in the naughty corner myself. He needs a time out.
Most of my secondary teachers just ploughed through the book, writing stuff up on the board and/or reading it out with little attempt to make it interesting or inject any personality or establish whether or not we'd understood. Many of them stayed sitting at their desk for the whole hour. That's not teaching. Good teaching is interactive, not someone droning on at the front of the class for an hour while the students copy everything down. Their 'I couldn't give a fck and am just here for the money' attitude is contagious. If the teacher doesn't give a fck, why would the students give a fck?
The best teachers I've had were the ones who displayed a passion for the subject. I had one amazing German teacher who didn't 'teach' much at all and made us do most of it at home, but he spent the class telling stories about Germany, teaching us funny words etc and at the end of the class, you'd actually look forward to going to the library and learning whatever he'd given you because the motivation was there.
A good teacher motivates. It's part of the job. I teach adults and teenagers who come to class exhausted and yawning after a day's work/school and I have to get them interested in learning new grammar. It would be easy to say, 'oh sod it, they're too tired to learn and most of them don't seem to care anyway', but that would be a failure on my part. I make it as interactive as possible so they don't have an opportunity to daydream or switch off. Creating a good learning environment is crucial. Blaming the learners is a cop-out, most of the time.0 -
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Kadence Warm Wing wrote: »Everyone liked that guy and everyone got an A in German. I don't think it's about spoonfeeding. It's about creating an environment where people actually WANT to learn. That is the teacher's responsibility. I got so tired of my secondary teachers telling us how lazy we were. We weren't. We'd all passed exams to get into the school, we were all bright and motivated and somehow most of the teachers managed to squeeze every last bit of fun and excitement out of the classes.
I underperformed in secondary school because it felt like prison camp, the teachers didn't give a crap and when I was struggling, they weren't interested in explaining it another way. I just got 'read that page'. Oh, cheers for that. Could have done that at home. I actually did take 4 weeks off school before my exams, with my parents' permission, to just learn the bloody stuff myself.
The last thing any student needs is a bored teacher who doesn't want to be there. I'd rather have an academically weaker teacher who makes the effort than a genius who just drones on for an hour.
school isn't there for fun and entertainment - its there for you to learn. Fun and entertainment only happens for kids who don't have sense enough to learn yet i.e. babies, high babies, and classes for very young children where they play learn. When you get into secondary it is probably assumed that you understand school is for learning. I can't understand your point that you were struggling to learn at school but then had to take weeks off before exams to learn it yourself. If you could learn it yourself why where you struggling in the first place - was it a case of not paying attention and then cramming at the end? 0 -
fishy fishy wrote: »school isn't there for fun and entertainment - its there for you to learn. Fun and entertainment only happens for kids who don't have sense enough to learn yet i.e. babies, high babies, and classes for very young children where they play learn. When you get into secondary it is probably assumed that you understand school is for learning. I can't understand your point that you were struggling to learn at school but then had to take weeks off before exams to learn it yourself. If you could learn it yourself why where you struggling in the first place - was it a case of not paying attention and then cramming at the end?
We'll have to agree to disagree, but IMO that's the wrong attitude. I know plenty of teachers who have failed observations for failing to make sure the students were engaged and motivated. I've taught loads of spoiled rich kids. I've walked into classes where the students all had their heads on the desks and were wrecked from being out all night. It's still my responsibility to try to motivate them and make the class as interactive as possible, not stand at the board droning on and complain that they're crap students. What are they paying for? They could read a grammar book themselves.
I was struggling to learn at school because the teacher's explanations were crap and left me even more confused. It was actually easier to just take my time to try to digest and figure out stuff on my own than to try to make sense of what the teacher was doing. It is your responsibility as a teacher to make sure everyone in the class is engaged and understands, not to parrot on for an hour. Perhaps you have amazing powers of concentration, but most of us don't. My mind certainly does wander when listening to a bored, unenthusiastic person speaking for an hour about something I don't really understand. That's normal. That's why good teachers don't teach like that.0 -
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Kadence Warm Wing wrote: »We'll have to agree to disagree, but IMO that's the wrong attitude. I know plenty of teachers who have failed observations for failing to make sure the students were engaged and motivated. I've taught loads of spoiled rich kids. I've walked into classes where the students all had their heads on the desks and were wrecked from being out all night. It's still my responsibility to try to motivate them and make the class as interactive as possible, not stand at the board droning on and complain that they're crap students. What are they paying for? They could read a grammar book themselves.
I was struggling to learn at school because the teacher's explanations were crap and left me even more confused. It was actually easier to just take my time to try to digest and figure out stuff on my own than to try to make sense of what the teacher was doing. It is your responsibility as a teacher to make sure everyone in the class is engaged and understands, not to parrot on for an hour. Perhaps you have amazing powers of concentration, but most of us don't. My mind certainly does wander when listening to a bored, unenthusiastic person speaking for an hour about something I don't really understand. That's normal. That's why good teachers don't teach like that.
seems to me that the "bold" teacher isn't so bad after all. If he made you get up off your ass and figure it out on your own - now that's real learning. You should congratulate your teacher for making you work.
Also why is it the responsibility of a teacher to engage a student that is wrecked for being out all night - surely thats the students fault - another case of "blame the teacher". Its not the teachers fault if the student is bored.
no offense but reading between the lines it sounds like there were a pack of messers in your class - dis-interested, out all night, bored, blaming the teacher and then cramming at the end to make up for the non-interest during the year. Sorry if I'm wrong but thats how it comes across. 0 -
Ken Robinson's TED talk is also worth a mention here. There is a huge problem within pedagogical system at the moment.0 -
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fishy fishy wrote: »seems to me that the "bold" teacher isn't so bad after all. If he made you get up off your ass and figure it out on your own - now that's real learning. You should congratulate your teacher for making you work.
Yeah, I guess it did do that. I appeared to be better at self study than most of my university friends. In my eyes though, that's not what school is supposed to be. I could have stayed at home for 7 years and learned far, far more. School basically killed off my natural love of learning for a very long time and I wish my parents had just taught me at home (they were thinking about it).Also why is it the responsibility of a teacher to engage a student that is wrecked for being out all night - surely thats the students fault - another case of "blame the teacher". Its not the teachers fault if the student is bored.
It is the teacher's responsibility. You just try making excuses like 'the students were hungover' to an observer and see how long you keep your job. No, it's not always the teacher's fault. You do get lots of students who are lazy, spoiled, immature and just don't want to be there as well as students with real learning and behavioural difficulties. That doesn't mean you don't do your absolute best to try to engage them. If they still don't respond, fine, but you don't just give up and blame the students. Motivating students is part of the job. Full stop.no offense but reading between the lines it sounds like there were a pack of messers in your class - dis-interested, out all night, bored, blaming the teacher and then cramming at the end to make up for the non-interest during the year. Sorry if I'm wrong but thats how it comes across.
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about two separate things - the school I attended as a teenager and the private language school where I teach now. My classmates at school were most definitely not a bunch of messers. They were the keenest bunch of teenagers I've ever seen, which is what makes it particularly disgraceful that the teachers used to imply we were all lazy wasters. 6 students from my class went to Oxbridge and I'd say that was despite the teaching, not because of it. 0 -
Kadence Warm Wing wrote: »Yeah, I guess it did do that. I appeared to be better at self study than most of my university friends. In my eyes though, that's not what school is supposed to be. I could have stayed at home for 7 years and learned far, far more. School basically killed off my natural love of learning for a very long time and I wish my parents had just taught me at home (they were thinking about it).
It is the teacher's responsibility. You just try making excuses like 'the students were hungover' to an observer and see how long you keep your job. No, it's not always the teacher's fault. You do get lots of students who are lazy, spoiled, immature and just don't want to be there as well as students with real learning and behavioural difficulties. That doesn't mean you don't do your absolute best to try to engage them. If they still don't respond, fine, but you don't just give up and blame the students. Motivating students is part of the job. Full stop.
What are you talking about? I'm talking about two separate things - the school I attended as a teenager and the private language school where I teach now. My classmates at school were most definitely not a bunch of messers. They were the keenest bunch of teenagers I've ever seen, which is what makes it particularly disgraceful that the teachers used to imply we were all lazy wasters. 6 students from my class went to Oxbridge and I'd say that was despite the teaching, not because of it.
I notice you said "teachers" implied you were all lazy wasters - - how many exactly thought you were lazy?
i guess we are going round in circles and don't agree. I would think that its the students responsibility to be mature enough to know that they need to learn stuff, whether taught in a boring way or exciting way, to pass their exams. Remember, the teachers have passed their exams already and are in a job - once they teach the curriculum they get, thats all they need to do - they don't have to jump through hoops to entertain and engage. Thats up to the student and what they want out of life.
Its very easy to just blame the teachers - yes some teachers are "nicer" than others - some can do no wrong (because of teenage crushes, or other reasons) some are devils (because they pulled you up on something). Either way, its up to the student to get off their ass and learn - it's their life - blaming a teacher for being "boring" is not an excuse for not learning.
and back to the original post - I still say that video is staged and he needs a good slap. He'd be better off if he zipped his little mouth, sat down and learned something instead of providing entertainment for his little friends. 0 -
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fishy fishy wrote: »no offense but reading between the lines it sounds like there were a pack of messers in your class - dis-interested, out all night, bored, blaming the teacher and then cramming at the end to make up for the non-interest during the year. Sorry if I'm wrong but thats how it comes across.
There were alot of messers in my class, but they didn't mess when it came to music class for example because it was interesting. So its not like these people didn't want to learn and I think you're missing the point of all this.
The Irish language is something that I would have loved to have learned but unfortunatley I only know a few words because my teacher couldn't even keep the class under control nevermind teach them. I admit some of it was not her fault and people took advantage of her, but a teacher should be able to get things in order and thats the bottom line.
Take the sister act movie for example, its just a movie but it also shows the reality of how to turn a bad class into a good one and make them want to learn.
Anyway, I'm done with this topic lol
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armaghbhoy wrote: »There were alot of messers in my class, but they didn't mess when it came to music class for example because it was interesting. So its not like these people didn't want to learn and I think you're missing the point of all this.
The Irish language is something that I would have loved to have learned but unfortunatley I only know a few words because my teacher couldn't even keep the class under control nevermind teach them. I admit some of it was not her fault and people took advantage of her, but a teacher should be able to get things in order and thats the bottom line.
Take the sister act movie for example, its just a movie but it also shows the reality of how to turn a bad class into a good one and make them want to learn.
Anyway, I'm done with this topic lol
LOL that's the funniest post of the thread - you do know sister act is a movie - it's staged.
To be honest there are messers in every class. The messers, and the ones that watch. 0 -
fishy fishy wrote: »LOL that's the funniest post of the thread - you do know sister act is a movie - it's staged.
To be honest there are messers in every class. The messers, and the ones that watch.
I did say it was a movie, but it also shows how you could do it in reality. Its simple really, not hard to understand. Of course I needed something to quote because I don't know of any teacher that has been smart enough to do it in real life. Which is why kids still don't relate to school. Its not rocket science 0 -
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