New PC

Blatter

Hi, I've decided this recommendation found in this thread would be for me.

Here it is:

Serephucus wrote: »

Item|Price
Nanoxia Deep Silence One Silver, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€93.59
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€207.02
ASRock Z77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€83.99
16GB-Kit ADATA Premier Series (2x8GB) DDR3-1333 CL9|€99.09
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W|€45.99
Samsung SSD 840 250GB SATA 6Gb/s|€147.00
WD Caviar Green 2TB SATA 6Gb/s|€82.94
Club 3D Radeon HD 7870 XT jokerCard, 2GB GDDR5, DVI, HDMI, 2x Mini DisplayPort|€210.37
2 x LG 24EA53VQ|€338.00
MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SB-Version Englisch|€85.50
Corsair Hydro Series H100i|€104.28
2 x Scythe GentleTyphoon 120 mm Lüfter 1150 rpm|€24.42
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1541.18

However just a few questions:

1 212 evo instead of H100 has been recommended, any problems?

2. Which 7950 graphics card would be a good alternative to the Club 3D Radeon HD 7870 XT jokerCard, 2GB GDDR5, DVI, HDMI, 2x Mini DisplayPort?, I see tons of 7950 ones!

3. I'll want a Blu Ray and DVD writer/player. Can somebody recommend one?

4. Would there be any point in getting the Intel Core i7-3770K instead of the i5. Would it significantly help future proof my computer?

5. Would this monitor that I've been recommended be a good match for the power of the computer. (I'm looking for a really good monitor). I would obviously remove the monitor from hardwareversand if I was to get that.


Thanks in advance.

spix

Do you have any interest in overclocking? If not, this cpu would be a good choice http://www.hardwareversand.de/Socketl+LGA1155+%28Xeon%29/74048/Intel+Xeon+E3-1230v2%2C+boxed%2C+LGA1155.article

It's almost exact same performance as the 3770 (4 cores/8 threads) The motherboard for it would also be cheaper.



This 7950 is the most popular one http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/55042/Gigabyte+Radeon+HD+7950%2C+3GB+GDDR5%2C+PCI-Express.article

Other graphics cards to consider
http://www.hardwareversand.de/2048+MB/57152/PowerColor+PCS%2B+HD7870+Myst.+Edition+2GB+GDDR5%28UEFI+READY%29.article - exact same as the joker 7870 but cheaper. Is pretty close to the 7950 performance wise, might be a bit louder.

http://www.hardwareversand.de/2048MB/64931/Gigabyte+GeForce+GTX+660Ti+OC%2C+2GB+GDDR5%2C+2x+DVI%2C+HDMI%2C+DisplayPort.article



Blu ray drive - http://www.hardwareversand.de/S-ATA/71823/LG+BH16NS40+Blu-Ray+Brenner+Bulk.article

Regarding the monitor, it depends if you want 2560x1600 resolution or not. Personally I'd just get one of the LG 24EA53VQ

You could also remove the scythe gentle typhoons. They were there to replace the fans on the h100

Gumbi

That's a 7870, not a 7870XT, it's a bit slower than the Joker.

Blatter

Cheers.

I'd be willing to try overclocking at some stage. Is the i7-3770 worth it?

I think I'll go with the Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950, 3GB GDDR5 and the LG 24EA53VQ. Is there free games available with that graphics card and if so, how do I go about getting them?

Thanks again.

spix

Gumbi wrote: »

That's a 7870, not a 7870XT, it's a bit slower than the Joker.

7870 myst is a 7870 XT, just different name. It's the exact same card with a different shroud on the cooler.

Blatter wrote: »

Cheers.

I'd be willing to try overclocking at some stage. Is the i7-3770 worth it?

I think I'll go with the Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950, 3GB GDDR5 and the LG 24EA53VQ. Is there free games available with that graphics card and if so, how do I go about getting them?

Thanks again.

The 3770 isn't really worth it, since you want to overclock just keep the 3570k.

I emailed hardwareversand recently about the codes and they said they have none left for the 79XX cards. The banner for free games with 78XX cards is still up on the website though (tomb raider + bioshock infinite)

Also this case is a bit cheaper and very similar
http://www.hardwareversand.de/Midi/74434/Nanoxia+Deep+Silence+Two+Dark+Black%2C+ohne+Netzteil.article

BloodBath

Why don't you fill out the questions and we can do a build that suits you.

That other build was for video editing as well as gaming.

Blatter

BloodBath wrote: »

Why don't you fill out the questions and we can do a build that suits you.

That other build was for video editing as well as gaming.

Ok!


1. What is your budget? €1200-1500

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer?
Gaming, streaming videos, heavy downloading, media centre

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? Yes, Win 7.

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? No

5. Do you need a monitor? Yes

5a. If yes, what size do you need? 24'

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Quality Keyboard and Mouse

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? Yes

8. How can you pay? Bank Transfer/Credit Card/Laser/Paypal

9. When are you purchasing? In the next few days more than likely

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? N/A

BloodBath

Plenty left over to get a good mechanical keyboard and mouse.

You could still go for the qnixx. Keep in mind that the higher resolution and possible 120hz is going to put a lot of extra strain on the graphics. You will not get over 60fps in the majority of games. 60 fps is about the average for most decent looking games at 1080p with a setup like that.

If you want to go dual gpu at some stage get the asrock extreme 3 board and a 700w+ psu and switch to an Nvidia card.


Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€205.99
ASRock Z77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€82.94
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - Intel/AMD|€29.94
8GB-Kit G.Skill RipJaws-X PC3-10667U CL7|€54.43
Samsung SSD 840 250GB SATA 6Gb/s|€149.57
Seagate Barracuda 7200 3000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€113.39
Club 3D Radeon HD 7950 13Series, 3GB GDDR5, AMD Radeon HD 7950, PCI- Express|€266.69
Nanoxia Deep Silence Two Dark Black, ohne Netzteil|€79.03
be quiet! STRAIGHT POWER BQT E9-500W 80+Gold|€84.04
LG CH10LS Blu-Ray ROM Bulk|€59.90
LG 24EA53VQ|€169.00
2 x Enermax T.B.Silence 14x14cm|€17.18
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1331.09

Blatter

BloodBath wrote: »

Plenty left over to get a good mechanical keyboard and mouse.

You could still go for the qnixx. Keep in mind that the higher resolution and possible 120hz is going to put a lot of extra strain on the graphics. You will not get over 60fps in the majority of games. 60 fps is about the average for most decent looking games at 1080p with a setup like that.

If you want to go dual gpu at some stage get the asrock extreme 3 board and a 700w+ psu and switch to an Nvidia card.


Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€205.99
ASRock Z77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€82.94
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - Intel/AMD|€29.94
8GB-Kit G.Skill RipJaws-X PC3-10667U CL7|€54.43
Samsung SSD 840 250GB SATA 6Gb/s|€149.57
Seagate Barracuda 7200 3000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€113.39
Club 3D Radeon HD 7950 13Series, 3GB GDDR5, AMD Radeon HD 7950, PCI- Express|€266.69
Nanoxia Deep Silence Two Dark Black, ohne Netzteil|€79.03
be quiet! STRAIGHT POWER BQT E9-500W 80+Gold|€84.04
LG CH10LS Blu-Ray ROM Bulk|€59.90
LG 24EA53VQ|€169.00
2 x Enermax T.B.Silence 14x14cm|€17.18
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1331.09

Cheers.

Will this bluray drive fit in nicely with that?

BloodBath

No bother and yeah it will.

Blatter

And just one last question. Is there much difference between the graphics card you mentioned and this one which is a small bit more expensive.

http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/55042/Gigabyte+Radeon+HD+7950,+3GB+GDDR5,+PCI-Express.article

BloodBath

Not really. It's slightly higher stock speed but you will be overclocking anyway.

The gigabyte cooler might be a bit better but it's also louder.

Blatter

BloodBath wrote: »

Plenty left over to get a good mechanical keyboard and mouse.

You could still go for the qnixx. Keep in mind that the higher resolution and possible 120hz is going to put a lot of extra strain on the graphics. You will not get over 60fps in the majority of games. 60 fps is about the average for most decent looking games at 1080p with a setup like that.

If you want to go dual gpu at some stage get the asrock extreme 3 board and a 700w+ psu and switch to an Nvidia card.


Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€205.99
ASRock Z77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€82.94
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - Intel/AMD|€29.94
8GB-Kit G.Skill RipJaws-X PC3-10667U CL7|€54.43
Samsung SSD 840 250GB SATA 6Gb/s|€149.57
Seagate Barracuda 7200 3000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€113.39
Club 3D Radeon HD 7950 13Series, 3GB GDDR5, AMD Radeon HD 7950, PCI- Express|€266.69
Nanoxia Deep Silence Two Dark Black, ohne Netzteil|€79.03
be quiet! STRAIGHT POWER BQT E9-500W 80+Gold|€84.04
LG CH10LS Blu-Ray ROM Bulk|€59.90
LG 24EA53VQ|€169.00
2 x Enermax T.B.Silence 14x14cm|€17.18
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1331.09

I'm ordering this tomorrow (with this instead of the above blu ray drive). Anybody else have any final recommendations? Don't mind spending an extra bit on something if the upgrade is significant.

Serephucus

I'd go with the Deep Silence One. It's more expensive, but it's a better case, and it gives you a lot of options cooling-wise down the road too.

Blatter

Serephucus wrote: »

I'd go with the Deep Silence One. It's more expensive, but it's a better case, and it gives you a lot of options cooling-wise down the road too.

It's the one I was going to go for anyway as they don't have the other one in stock and don't know when they'll have it in next!

Anything else missing or do I have everything else in the above list for the comp to run perfectly?

Also how difficult/how much time does it take to build the above PC for a novice or am I better f getting hardwareversand to build it.

Thanks again.

Blatter

Anyone? I'm looking to order soon.

Gbear

Blatter wrote: »

Anyone? I'm looking to order soon.

On the building front, it's not too hard. There's step by steps around the place that you should familiarise yourself with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls

There's a few bits that can be slightly tricky but mostly you just need to be careful and patient.

Discharge yourself often - touching a radiator or a nearby metal appliance that's plugged in should do the trick.

Don't ever fiddle with the computer while it's turned on. I dropped a screw onto my motherboard once and it started arcing and nearly caught fire.:eek: Astonishingly no damage was done. Lesson learned.:o

Blatter

Cheers, is there also any alternative motherboard that's just as good if not better (I don't mind paying a bit extra) to this one as it's out of stock until the 15th.

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=59322&agid=1601

BloodBath

The extreme 3 I guess. It's pretty much the same with better support for dual gpu configs although you would needa better psu if considering this.

It has better power delivery to the processor as well although that's unlikely to make much difference with those chips unless you're doign extreme overclocking.

Blatter

I presume this is the motherboard you are talking about

http://www.hardwareversand.de/DDR3/67918/ASRock+Z77+Extreme3%2C+Sockel+1155%2C+ATX.article

Which psu would you recommend to go with it?

Thanks again.

Serephucus

Something like this would do you with plenty of room to spare for a tonne of overclocking. That's if you're going with a second GPU though. If it's just the one, what you've got will be plenty.

BloodBath

This is only if you would actually go to dual gpu but if you want a psu for around the same price with the power for 2 cards then this will do nicely.

http://www.hardwareversand.de/600+-+700+Watts/74175/be+quiet%21+SYSTEM+POWER+7+700W.article


I'd probably change to an nvidia card then as well since crossfire has serious latency issues. They might be fixed with drivers soon but last time I checked they are still cack.

A 660ti or 670gtx if going Nvidia.

Blatter

Ah right, yeah I don't think I'll have any interest in using dual gpus. Maybe in the distant future.

Will the extreme 3 run 1 gpu fine, or will it use up unnecessary power or anything? (sorry I'm a total novice)

Are you only recommending Nvidia if I was going with a second gpu or were you recommending it in general?

BloodBath

The extreme 3 will be fine with 1 gpu.

No I'm not.

Basically amd outperforms Nvidia at every price point but has latency issues with crossfire.

For single gpu setups I recommend Amd, for multi I recommend Nvidia.

Serephucus

Actually that's not quite true. If you compare the 660 Ti and the 7950, they're actually identical in price/performance if you take the newest drivers into account.

BloodBath

Comparing what? I look at benchmarks that show both overclocked to their max levels. Not ones comparing different stock speed models.

The 7950 has always been a far better option than the 660ti. It's more in line with a 670gtx.

Blatter

Serephucus wrote: »

Actually that's not quite true. If you compare the 660 Ti and the 7950, they're actually identical in price/performance if you take the newest drivers into account.

So would it be better for me to get the 660 Ti for the simple reason if I wanted to add a second gpu down the line?

If so, which 660 Ti would you recommend? There are loads of them there.

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articlesearch.jsp

As said before, I don't mind paying extra if the performance is significantly upgraded.

BloodBath

If going for a 660ti the asus model is always a good choice. It's one of the quietest and best coolers.

Seems to have a free copy of Assassins creed 3 as well.

http://www.hardwareversand.de/2048MB/63731/ASUS+GTX660+Ti-DC2-2GD5%2C+GeForce+GTX+660+Ti%2C+2048MB+DDR5.article

Blatter

Is this drive a better option that this?

BloodBath

It's a 2tb drive. There's 2tb drives on hwvs for around the same money.

tuxy

Blatter wrote: »

So would it be better for me to get the 660 Ti for the simple reason if I wanted to add a second gpu down the line?

From my experiance multi GPU setups only makes sense at the high end where you can't get a single card to do the work that you need.

In most cases it's best to stick to single card. I would recommend getting the best single card you can now. Then if you want more performance at a later date sell that card and put the money towards a better single card.

Blatter

Ordered this just there.

How long does it take for hardwareversand to send a confirmation email?

I signed up for the guarantee (trusted shops) for an extra couple of euros, and they're the only ones who have sent an email so far.

They give me this info:

Date: 11/05/2013
Order Number: xxxxxxxxxx
Subtotal: xxxxx EUR
ID: xxxxxxx
E-mail: xxxxxxxxx
Online Store: hardwareversand.de Garantienr: xxxxxxxxxx
KD-feedback no later than: 17/06/2013
cover up to: 1500.00 EUR
Status: Warranty active
message: no


Am I meant to use this info for the bank transfer or will hardwareversand send an email in due course?

BloodBath

They will send an email with bank details.

GHOST MGG

i ordered mine the other day and it took about 10 mins for the confirmation email with all the details to come through.
i also got the trusted shops email first..they are both automated responses anyway..so dont worry

Blatter

Still no confirmation nearly 3 hours later which seems odd, maybe it's on account of it being a weekend.

Blatter

And still no confirmation email!

Emailed them this morning, didn't get back yet.

spix

Blatter wrote: »

And still no confirmation email!

Emailed them this morning, didn't get back yet.

Strange, I've never had a problem with not getting the confirmation email.

Is there any links in the trusted shop one that maybe confirm the order or something?

GHOST MGG

go into your profile on the hardwareversand webpage and click on orders..it should show you what you have ordered
and a link to email.

Blatter

GHOST MGG wrote: »

go into your profile on the hardwareversand webpage and click on orders..it should show you what you have ordered
and a link to email.

Thanks, this worked.

Blatter

My stuff has been dispatched.

Do I need a wireless adapter to connect to the internet or is it already on the motherboard or something?

I can't put the PC directly beside my internet source so that rules out an ethernet cable.

MadYaker

If all your stuff doesn't arrive together don't freak out. I got a box with the monitor and case first and then another box with everything else the next day. They should give you a different tracking number for each box.

Bazzo

Yeah, you will need a seperate wireless adapter, that motherboard doesn't come with one(most don't).

They're pretty cheap:

http://www.hardwareversand.de/PCI/42568/LogiLink+Wireless+LAN+300+Mbps+PCI+Karte+802.11n+2T2R.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/PCI/49559/ASUS+PCE-N15.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/PCI-Express/30773/TP-Link+TL-WN781N%2C+150Mbps%2C+PCIe+x1.article

etc.

It's also worth mentioning that most people around here suggest using homeplugs rather than wifi as it gives much better speeds.

As I've never used them myself I can't really recommend any particular model but I can't imagine there's too much between the different brands.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-PA211KIT-200Mbps-Powerline-Adapter/dp/B004INVKP4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368975627&sr=8-1&keywords=homeplug

Blatter

Bazzo wrote: »

Yeah, you will need a seperate wireless adapter, that motherboard doesn't come with one(most don't).

They're pretty cheap:

http://www.hardwareversand.de/PCI/42568/LogiLink+Wireless+LAN+300+Mbps+PCI+Karte+802.11n+2T2R.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/PCI/49559/ASUS+PCE-N15.article
http://www.hardwareversand.de/PCI-Express/30773/TP-Link+TL-WN781N%2C+150Mbps%2C+PCIe+x1.article

etc.

I don't think I'll get it from hardwareversand seeing as I'd have to pay delivery for one thing.

Would I find these in a PC store for a similar price, wouldn't mind paying an extra €10/15?

Bazzo

Blatter wrote: »

I don't think I'll get it from hardwareversand seeing as I'd have to pay delivery for one thing.

Would I find these in a PC store for a similar price, wouldn't mind paying an extra €10/15?

PC world, Maplin etc. will have one in stock but I have no idea what the price will be like as I tend to steer clear of them. I wouldn't be too optimistic though, they can be pretty wild with their pricing. Last time I was in PC World they were looking for €300 for a 7750.

Gumbi

Bazzo wrote: »

PC world, Maplin etc. will have one in stock but I have no idea what the price will be like as I tend to steer clear of them. I wouldn't be too optimistic though, they can be pretty wild with their pricing. Last time I was in PC World they were looking for €300 for a 7750.

Are you f*cking kidding me? Lol. If I saw that I would show them the pricing on Amazon, HWVS, dabs, pixmania, everywhere and make it fix there and then. That's effing criminal.

Bazzo

Gumbi wrote: »

Are you f*cking kidding me? Lol. If I saw that I would show them the pricing on Amazon, HWVS, dabs, pixmania, everywhere and make it fix there and then. That's effing criminal.

I tried pointing out to them that this was about 3 times what you would pay for it on pixmania, who own PC World, and the only response I got was a blank stare and a promise to "look into it".

indough

is your nearest pc world located in the twilight zone by any chance? the card is 120 euro on their website

Bazzo

indough wrote: »

is your nearest pc world located in the twilight zone by any chance? the card is 120 euro on their website

My mistake, it was actually a 7770, and it was €270. There is also a disparity between their in-store prices and their website prices.

http://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2056724508/1#post80189551

There's the thread I made about it mr.cynical

indough

their most expensive ghz edition 7770 is only 170, so not too bad for b&m. the disparity if any is not going to be a hundred quid anyway. the last times ive been in there most stuff was reasonably priced with the odd exception. obviously there is always some premium to pay for convenience, seemed about 15 percent or thereabouts which is far from the worst. iwouldnt even entertain maplins with a glance however

Bazzo

Obviously my experience was an extreme example, I was only using it to demonstrate how crazy their pricing can be. The point is that it does happen though.

In any case this is all horribly off topic. Let us know how you get on with your build OP.

TerrorFirmer

It's always worth keeping an eye on PC World. I got 2 Sapphire 7770's for 160 all in there a month ago, they had old SKU 7770's on clearance. Running them in Crossfire is faster than a 7950, so it was serious value. At the moment, they have OK value on GTX650Ti's and similar budget cards for OK bricks and mortar prices. Seem to have gotten out of the performance line though, probably weren't selling enough cards. I'll never forget years ago, asking the price of an 8800Ultra, at a time when they were about 500 from online retailers.....just short of 1K in PC World.