SS Wire for genesis users

superneat

Stainless steel cable

After hearing about this a while back, it seems like it's finally going mainstream.

I'll be picking some up from ebay and trying it out myself. Looks unreal.

platinums

if you having wicking problems I feel bad for you son, cause I got, SS Cable Ribbon wire and wickin aint one.

May have to try that Mr JC West.

superneat

LOL

StickyIcky

Can't view the videos on my phone. Think it's something to do with the boards app.

What's the benefit of this ss wire? Is kanthal got some con to it I'm not aware of that needs fixing?

Green Hornet

You'd still use kanthal for the coil. It uses SS rope as the wick and a strip of mesh wrapped in kanthal as normal then.

StickyIcky

Green Hornet wrote: »

You'd still use kanthal for the coil. It uses SS rope as the wick and a strip of mesh wrapped in kanthal as normal then.

Wow okay. So would be great for lack of flavour creep etc. Sounds promising. Thanks.

Lucutus

looks too good to be true... must buy some immediately.

stevenmu

I can't view those videos in work, does this solve or at least help the shorting/hotspotting problems with SS mesh?

StickyIcky

Steven he says it eliminates so much of oxidising your whole wick, just torch the piss out of the cable, just a little bitty peice of mesh to run around the top of it. It's true capilary action, it just pulls the juice right up."


So to me it seems like the main benefit is wicking problems are gone.

Also it seems like you still need to wrap a little bit of mesh around the top of the ss cable.

He also says there "you can not run it dry, there's not dry hits, there's no hot spots"

quintron

I see TBS now has the stainless steel wire in stock... Must experiment!
Anyone know the diff between the 7x7 and 7x19 options on the site?
Presume its the thickness of the braid? But it seems like a big diff! x19 for VG and x7 for PG?

Ionised

quintron wrote: »

I see TBS now has the stainless steel wire in stock... Must experiment!
Anyone know the diff between the 7x7 and 7x19 options on the site?
Presume its the thickness of the braid? But it seems like a big diff! x19 for VG and x7 for PG?

As far as I am aware the difference is in the number of strands...7x7 has 7 bunches of 7 strands, the 7x19 has 7 bunches of 19 strands.

I have been using the 7x7 with excellent results.

(Lots of info here - http://www.steelwirerope.com/Downloads/AsahiProductGuide.pdf )

quintron

Cheers Ionised. Are you using mesh over the braided wire on the wrap end, and are you using ribbon kanthal?
I finally got around to using some of your ribbon kanthal last night and it was a mixed bag for me.
Hot spot coming off the positive post that I couldn't work out despite valiant efforts with a toothpick.
Maybe gennys just ain't my thing.
Goning to rebuild again tonight, if I have time.
I don't think the 2nd and 3rd wraps up from the negative post are tight enough; there is a tiny bit of play there..

Ionised

quintron wrote: »

Cheers Ionised. Are you using mesh over the braided wire on the wrap end, and are you using ribbon kanthal?

Yes and sometimes. Mostly using the ribbon although right now I'm experimenting with 0.15 wire doubled up and twisted.


I have few hotshot problems but I do make sure the mesh is well oxidised and that they wick is close to the centre post.

keithg89

What size ribbon wire should I use if I was to try this folks? Just ordered some wire rope there.

grindle

What resistance are you looking for?

keithg89

I don't know tbh. I currently have 3/4 wrap around a ss mesh wick if that's any help?

grindle

Well, if you're going LR I'd get the 0.5x0.1mm.

keithg89

Thanks. I'll report back when everything arrives

rickyjb

What diameter should you use for an AGA T2 does anyone know? Thinking of having another crack at it. If this doesn't work within an hour expect to see it in the for sale section very soon.

Ionised

rickyjb wrote: »

What diameter should you use for an AGA T2 does anyone know? Thinking of having another crack at it. If this doesn't work within an hour expect to see it in the for sale section very soon.

I have been using 0.4 ribbon, 4 coils to give around 1.3ohms on a ss rope wick with ss mesh wrapped around the top of the rope where the coil is. A well oxidised bit of mesh means few hit spots and an easy enough build.

Have done the same with a purely mesh wick with perfectly good results.

rickyjb

Ionised wrote: »

I have been using 0.4 ribbon, 4 coils to give around 1.3ohms on a ss rope wick with ss mesh wrapped around the top of the rope where the coil is. A well oxidised bit of mesh means few hit spots and an easy enough build.

Have done the same with a purely mesh wick with perfectly good results.

What I meant was what diameter steel wire should you use to fit the internal diameter of the wick hole on an AGA T2? On the vaperus site there are options for 1.5-3.0mm...

Ionised

rickyjb wrote: »

What I meant was what diameter steel wire should you use to fit the internal diameter of the wick hole on an AGA T2? On the vaperus site there are options for 1.5-3.0mm...

oops... misunderstood. A 2mm wire fits fine with a bit of wiggle room. Think a 3mm might be too big.

Gryzor

Was just coming on to ask that question, as the bestshop stuff is only 1.5mm. Probably to thin for an aga??

Ionised

I'd say 1.5mm is too thin. Even 2mm leaves a bit of a gap in the Aga T.

rickyjb

Gryzor wrote: »

Was just coming on to ask that question, as the bestshop stuff is only 1.5mm. Probably to thin for an aga??

They have 1.5, 2.0, 2.5 and 3.0 mm. I ordered some 2.0 mm last night, hopefully it does the job.

Gryzor

rickyjb wrote: »

They have 1.5, 2.0, 2.5 and 3.0 mm. I ordered some 2.0 mm last night, hopefully it does the job.

So they do, nice one...

rickyjb

Predictably I'm the only person who SS rope does not wick for. Got a perfectly glowing coil at 1.6ohms but after I filled the tank it produces vapour for a few seconds then glows red. wtf like?!:mad:

I bought this http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/diy/295-stainless-steel-wire-rope-7x7.html (2mm). any suggestions?

grindle

With mesh wrapped around the top of it?

rickyjb

grindle wrote: »

With mesh wrapped around the top of it?

Yes, give me some credit:)

God I hate the AGA...

I tried using less mesh but hasn't really helped. The weird thing is for about 10 secs it seemed to work perfectly then just stopped again, I have no clue what I'm doing wrong.

Ionised

rickyjb wrote: »

Yes, give me some credit:)

God I hate the AGA...

I tried using less mesh but hasn't really helped. The weird thing is for about 10 secs it seemed to work perfectly then just stopped again, I have no clue what I'm doing wrong.

Post a photo of your setup just in case anything obvious can be spotted. I have an Aga with ss rope at 1.4 ohms vaping like a dream.

grindle

Does it glow red if you keep it tilted? Must be a wicking issue if so, which is weird. 1.6ohms shouldn't even nearly dry out the wick in time for it to glow.

Ooh, are you firing it tilted with the wick facing up maybe? That would dry it out.

(Apologies if that's another "GIMMESUMFURKINCREDITGRINDLE!!!" question)

rickyjb

Picture attached. Weird that I can get all the coils glow, it could be a hotspot problem although I don't understand why.

What way would you be holding it if you had it tilted with the wick facing up? If you mean is the wick in the juice then please see my previous post:p

Gryzor

If all coils are glowing evenly, it's not a hotshot. It's wicking, I'm assuming you've put more juice in the tank and had the same problem?? The thing is empty...

Edit: beer and phone combination...

rickyjb

There's still a bit in the bottom, does it need to be almost full to wick properly? Same thing was happening with half a tank....

rickyjb

F*ck this sh*t, I give up.

grindle

You forgot to fill the tank? :P

Nah, I have no clue now... If the mesh is tight to the rope, the rope is submerged in juice, the coils are wrapped fine... I have no idea.

Pretty sure you've proven the existence of God, and he hates you.

rickyjb

The mesh is tight enough that it doesn't slide around, I've gotten hot spots at the top but i can get all the coils to glow, when I tilt it right up it vapourises loads immediately.

God does hate me.

grindle

Only because He knows you're close to learning The Truth about Him.

Gryzor

rickyjb wrote: »

The mesh is tight enough that it doesn't slide around, I've gotten hot spots at the top but i can get all the coils to glow, when I tilt it right up it vapourises loads immediately.

God does hate me.

It's not wicking, simple as... I've never had a genny wick verticaly with mesh. Never tried ss wire...but...

Ionised

I'm stumped too. Even if I just have a couple off mm of juice in the tank I can chain vape without it drying out.

keithg89

I have the same problem. All coils glowing perfectly when empty. Little to no vapour and zero taste. Screams wicking problem. I thought this was nigh on impossible with rope :P

I'm gone back to mesh and going to try again tomorrow with a clear head. I would love some advice.
What I've done so far:

Oxidised the 7*7 wire rope
Heated the kanthal
3 wraps of 0.20
4 wraps of 0.20
3,4 & 5 wraps of 0.50

All giving the same results.

It doesn't even make a sound like it's burning liquid. Very VERY quite. I would say silent even. With the mesh you know when it's wicking and when it's dry by the sound. I have nothing with the rope. Could I have too much mesh around it? I'd doubt it, considering it doesnt even wrap around the rope twice. I'm stumped.

Ionised

FYI you don't need to oxidise the rope. Oxidising the mesh is enough. Just one wrap of the mesh around the top few mm of the rope and make sure your coil sits fairly snugly around it rather than tight.

Ionised

Just a thought. Where is your airhole ending up? That version of the Aga has a screw on top cap so if you screw it down tight there is no promise the airhole will end up by the wick. If it is offset even a little then the vapour production and/or throat hit will suffer.

Apologies if I am stating the obvious.

Gryzor

keithg89 wrote: »

I have the same problem. All coils glowing perfectly when empty. Little to no vapour and zero taste. Screams wicking problem. I thought this was nigh on impossible with rope :P

I'm gone back to mesh and going to try again tomorrow with a clear head. I would love some advice.
What I've done so far:

Oxidised the 7*7 wire rope
Heated the kanthal
3 wraps of 0.20
4 wraps of 0.20
3,4 & 5 wraps of 0.50

All giving the same results.

It doesn't even make a sound like it's burning liquid. Very VERY quite. I would say silent even. With the mesh you know when it's wicking and when it's dry by the sound. I have nothing with the rope. Could I have too much mesh around it? I'd doubt it, considering it doesnt even wrap around the rope twice. I'm stumped.

If you give it the old genny tilt to force the wicking, does it vape ok fir a few drags, and then dry out??

Wicking is fine for me, but flavour is muted using the rope...maybe it needs bedding in??

The Pontiac

rickyjb wrote: »

Yes, give me some credit:)

God I hate the AGA...

I tried using less mesh but hasn't really helped. The weird thing is for about 10 secs it seemed to work perfectly then just stopped again, I have no clue what I'm doing wrong.

Hearing this all the time.

Is the AGA really that much better than the RSST?

The RSST is simple to coil and I just love the vape. It's savage!

Never tried the AGA myself, mind.

Ionised

The Pontiac wrote: »

Hearing this all the time.

Is the AGA really that much better than the RSST?

The RSST is simple to coil and I just love the vape. It's savage!

Never tried the AGA myself, mind.

Might have to get myself an RSST to compare

keithg89

Success today. Flavour is still very very slight. Not impressed overall. I find the mesh much better. Will try it anyway for a week or so. I have ribbon kanthal ordered that should be here Monday. Will that make much, if any, difference?

Ionised

I like the ribbon...and also twisted wire kanthal. Have no idea if it is something to do with surface area or what...or just my imagination.

grindle

Won't make a difference with wicking, will make a difference with TH and flavour, especially with mesh. Mesh and even the thinner ribbon like 0.3mm on a fresh coil delivers a huge TH, but I'm speaking on part of the population of Ireland that dual coils in rebuildables... There are probably about ten of us.

keithg89

Well, I'm happy to report it must have been the kanthal that was the problem. Used ribbon kanthal just a minute ago. Flavour is great. Throat hit is absolutely perfect. Vaping like a train.

Won't be going back to mesh I don't think. It's fantastic. And I have enough wire, rope and mesh to do me at least a year I'd imagine.

Next up is a new mod. Vamo I think. Thanks to all on this forum once again.

Ionised

Good to hear you got it sorted. Sometimes it is just a matter of experimenting with this stuff.