Room to Improve.

shenanagans

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

And probably lose half the audience in the process.


Bannon, as annoying as he is (and he is) is the main draw of the show.

Really? I watch for the architecture and design ideas NOT for Dermot.

HeidiHeidi

shenanagans wrote: »

Really? I watch for the architecture and design ideas NOT for Dermot.

Yeah, but there's not a lot of those, really. It's become all about the personalities, the drama, and Bannon. Details of the build/design/process are in short supply, sadly. It's a building-based soap opera, really.

ontheditch2

shenanagans wrote: »

After over 10 years it's well past time to replace Bannon. There's any amount of good architects .... time for a personality change. Same stuff all the time, good design, over budget ....etc. Why can't RTE innovate and change things up. Bannon is good but why not give a young talented architect a chance....it may even save RTE some cash. Bannon loves the limelight and attention.

Could Bannon be the creator of the show. Not sure, but maybe he sold the idea to RTE or was part of the initial package, so they might not be able to get rid of him. Similar to how Davy Fitz owns/created the concept for "Ireland's fittest family", so he is probably part of the deal

donkeykong5

PARlance wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Just watching it now. What's the story with " sola" EVERY WHERE ?

Curiosity got the best of me. Paul "the builder" is the owner of Sola. And it was the Sola showroom where they picked up the fire thingy.

Bit over the top in my opinion.

freshpopcorn

I missed the start of tonight's episode did it say what this couple did?

Thanks.

HeidiHeidi

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I missed the start of tonight's episode did it say what this couple did?

Thanks.

He's retired, she's a community welfare officer (or something along those lines).

The Cush

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Just watching it now. What's the story with " sola" EVERY WHERE ?

They were the main contractor, electrical contractor, heat pump and electric stove supplier. Also associated with the mechanical contractor

https://cococontent.ie/episode-2-borrisoleigh-room-to-improve-series-12

Mam of 4

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I think that's because they're shown in showhouse condition, with not a single personal effect in place. Come back in three months' time, and it'll look like someones actual personal living space.

Ah I understand that , but surely not every house has to be open plan , ok I know there's an odd one that isn't but nine times out of ten they're open plan . With maybe a step up or down to break up the areas .

Sunny Dayz

LirW wrote: »

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

€100-€150k on that should be loads.

It's baffling that this amount of money is considered low. This is more than I paid for my house!

Same. I’d love there to be an episode where the budget is like €50k-€60k. The whole house doesn’t have to be gutted and redone each week.

Vicarious Function

Certainly more Soap Opera than Reaity TV, with Bannon going to the outfitters to help Joe chose his wedding suit and then attending the wedding, making a speech and joining in the dancing. LOL! Have to say I really enjoyed it. Bannon is unique and irreplaceable, IMO, even thogh some people are fed up of him.

Loved Mary and Joe. The discussion re the "fake" stove made me smile, as I happen to have a fake wood-burning stove. Surprising how manhy people think it's real.

FFVII

Mam of 4 wrote: »

Ah I understand that , but surely not every house has to be open plan , ok I know there's an odd one that isn't but nine times out of ten they're open plan . With maybe a step up or down to break up the areas .

I was reading a paper that most people that go open plan regret it immediately.

Privacy/personal space from others and Was never practical to have kitchen open, it stinks everything if you cook main reasons.

Princess Calla

FFVII wrote: »

I was reading a paper that most people that go open plan regret it immediately.

Privacy/personal space from others and Was never practical to have kitchen open, it stinks everything if you cook main reasons.

That is always the point I make...so many of the families have young children and while it's great to keep an eye on them, there will be toys EVERYWHERE! Before you know it they'll be teenagers wanting and needing personal space especially when boyfriends/girlfriends appear on the scene.

The Princess Bride

What a lovely couple, one of the nicest and most down to earth we've seen throughout all the seasons of RTI.

I'm not a fan of the kitchen and living area, for all the space created in the refurb, I thought it looked quite cluttered in the end.
Fair play to them for recycling so much, makes a lot of sense.

KevRossi

Build was €215 according to the QS

-€40k for the grant
-€10k for stuff that Joe sold
-€15k for Joe doing a deal with Sola
-€30k for a load of work done on the black

So cost €120k or so to build in real terms.
They would have sold the house in Nenagh so came out of it very well. One really nice house for a swap for 2 older ones and probably have €100k left over when all bills are paid.

HeidiHeidi

KevRossi wrote: »

Build was €215 according to the QS

-€40k for the grant
-€10k for stuff that Joe sold
-€15k for Joe doing a deal with Sola
-€30k for a load of work done on the black

So cost €120k or so to build in real terms.
They would have sold the house in Nenagh so came out of it very well. One really nice house for a swap for 2 older ones and probably have €100k left over when all bills are paid.

That's a whole lot of assumptions you're making there!

splinter65

KevRossi wrote: »

Build was €215 according to the QS

-€40k for the grant
-€10k for stuff that Joe sold
-€15k for Joe doing a deal with Sola
-€30k for a load of work done on the black

So cost €120k or so to build in real terms.
They would have sold the house in Nenagh so came out of it very well. One really nice house for a swap for 2 older ones and probably have €100k left over when all bills are paid.

I’d be very surprised if she sold her house in Nenagh

Vicarious Function

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I think that's because they're shown in showhouse condition, with not a single personal effect in place. Come back in three months' time, and it'll look like someones actual personal living space.

I think, in a lot of cases, for the final photo-shoot in this type of program, local furniture suppliers loan or rent out furniture to the production company for a type of staging. Very often, by the time the building is complete, the owners haven't enough funds left to furnish the place straight away. This may or may not have happened in this case.

Penn

I get that they have to show a bit about the owners for entertainment purposes, but in a lot of episodes they get the balance completely wrong. We saw almost nothing of the house being built or any clue on quite useful information with regards a lot of the energy upgrades the house received. Why was it important to bring it to an A2 BER Rating? What were some of the measures they used to do this? How much is it expected they'll save on energy and heating bills over the next few years etc? This could have been a very informative episode for people in that regard and could have made them think about doing the same to their own houses.

Instead we got "It'll cost a lot of money to bring it to an A2 rating, but at least the house will be warm. Anyway, lets go look at wedding suits which no architect has ever done with their client ever in the history of the world"

There's always pointless scenes like that. I remember one episode they showed Dermot go into the local shop to buy penny sweets (me hole) and talk about the clients with the shopkeeper. Such nonsense.

They need to strike a better balance between the entertainment of the life of the couple etc, and the actual build/house.

FFVII

Penn wrote: »

I get that they have to show a bit about the owners for entertainment purposes, but in a lot of episodes they get the balance completely wrong. We saw almost nothing of the house being built or any clue on quite useful information with regards a lot of the energy upgrades the house received. Why was it important to bring it to an A2 BER Rating? What were some of the measures they used to do this? How much is it expected they'll save on energy and heating bills over the next few years etc? This could have been a very informative episode for people in that regard and could have made them think about doing the same to their own houses.

Instead we got "It'll cost a lot of money to bring it to an A2 rating, but at least the house will be warm. Anyway, lets go look at wedding suits which no architect has ever done with their client ever in the history of the world"

There's always pointless scenes like that. I remember one episode they showed Dermot go into the local shop to buy penny sweets (me hole) and talk about the clients with the shopkeeper. Such nonsense.

They need to strike a better balance between the entertainment of the life of the couple etc, and the actual build/house.

It's been this way for 10 years

Galwayguy35

Always amazes me how people are able to come up with and extra 50 k when they say there is no more money in the pot.

Yer man joe was a gas character, he's the most easy going fella I've ever seen.

Had to laugh at Mary picking up Dermot on his "yaaard" pronunciation.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

She went to school with me and I’m 54 so look, neither of us need a stair lift yet....

Well Joe isn't 54 and after shelling out €215k I wouldn't fancy having to spend again in a few years when a bit of future proofing could easily have been incorporated into this build.

Radio5

Princess Calla wrote: »

That is always the point I make...so many of the families have young children and while it's great to keep an eye on them, there will be toys EVERYWHERE! Before you know it they'll be teenagers wanting and needing personal space especially when boyfriends/girlfriends appear on the scene.

That's so true. Many people I know who went with the open plan kitchen/living idea have ended up building on what they call a TV room when the kids reached the teenage years or returned home after college .

It's strange that Dermot doesn't entertain any other style. I get that a lot of house are dark and need to be opened out for light and, as in this case, to make the most of the location. There must surely be a time when the kitchen needs to be a separate space from the living area.

Princess Calla

Radio5 wrote: »

That's so true. Many people I know who went with the open plan kitchen/living idea have ended up building on what they call a TV room when the kids reached the teenage years or returned home after college .

It's strange that Dermot doesn't entertain any other style. I get that a lot of house are dark and need to be opened out for light and, as in this case, to make the most of the location. There must surely be a time when the kitchen needs to be a separate space from the living area.

Plus how do you escape the inlaws when they visit

Penn

FFVII wrote: »

It's been this way for 10 years

Yeah but sometimes they have a much better balance between the personal lives of the clients and the build itself, though usually when there are issues with the build so that can be used for entertainment.

But when they force Dermot into some of these situations it just comes across as ridiculous. Dermot being at the wedding, fair enough. Going to his suit-fitting was just stupid.

Princess Calla

The worst was when he got into the hottub with your one....that episode really sickened me.

I really liked Joe in this episode, loved the way everything was sold...I really felt for him when the shed went....he probably spent more time in there than the house. I didn't really like the garage, would have preferred he got a man cave back.

I would love to know their backstory, I was expecting to hear his mam had died and now the Mrs is moving in, but that's just me being pure nosey.

Overall I think the house was gorgeous, loved their wardrobes and bedroom.

May they have many happy years together.

Sleepy

We saw a 30 second scene of Dermot helping Joe pick out a wedding suit. Joe saw an opportunity to get his wedding suits for free!

Loved the ethos of recycling all the materials instead of sending skip loads of re-usable materials to the dump.

FFVII

Princess Calla wrote: »

The worst was when he got into the hottub with your one....that episode really sickened me.

You know, you should go see someone to see if you can be brought out of that way of thinking.

It's bad enough you no doubt think like this with your own circle but someone you don't on the telly!!

If that wasn't nearly everyones favourite ep I'd have said nothing.

Wildsurfer

Penn wrote: »

FFVII wrote: »

It's been this way for 10 years

Yeah but sometimes they have a much better balance between the personal lives of the clients and the build itself, though usually when there are issues with the build so that can be used for entertainment.

But when they force Dermot into some of these situations it just comes across as ridiculous. Dermot being at the wedding, fair enough. Going to his suit-fitting was just stupid.

You're not seeing the deeper meaning to the suit fitting scene. Dermot was showing Joe that he could go outside his comfort zone and pull it off... as he was trying to do with the build. Dermot the psychologist.

harr

Liked this episode, the couple were fantastic and really Likeable and far dues to Joe for selling on the unwanted stuff. The end result was nice and suited this couple but in general I am not a fan of open plan. I have seen friends go open plan with extensions only to fit sliding doors when kids hit the teenage years. Missed opportunity to have a nice balcony leading out from bedroom.
I agree with others to much needless stuff With Dermot being over the top mates with the clients, need to see more building work and show how stuff works like the new heating for example..I recon joe was definitely getting a nice discount from builders for plugging the business so much for them .

HeidiHeidi

Wildsurfer wrote: »

You're not seeing the deeper meaning to the suit fitting scene. Dermot was showing Joe that he could go outside his comfort zone and pull it off... as he was trying to do with the build. Dermot the psychologist.

Dermot needs to go back to persuasion school then, Joe wound up in exactly the same suit he'd initially picked!