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N11 to finally get upgrade between Ashford and Arklow

  • 30-04-2013 12:09pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭


    The works on the N11 include the construction of a 16km dual carriageway linking the end of the Arklow Bypass with the end of the Ashford Bypass, aswell as two new interchanges at the Beehive junction and at Jack White's cross-roads.
    A service area will also be built at Ballyellin on the Gorey Bypass.


    Construction is expected to begin in May, the N11 works will be completed within 28 months


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0430/388927-road-construction-jobs/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 Jengagirl


    vicwatson wrote: »

    Good news but Camolin/Ferns/Enniscorthy by pass is what I really want!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Jengagirl wrote: »
    Good news but Camolin/Ferns/Enniscorthy by pass is what I really want!


    All good things come to those that wait - this was forecast to start 2014

    http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/WexfordCountyCouncil/M11GoreytoEnniscorthy/SchemeName,16408,en.html



    Watch for Howlin and Kehoe all over the N11 announcement like a rash. GRRRRRRRRRRRR


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭RAFA B


    Good also that it seems no tolls will be put on the road either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 Jengagirl


    vicwatson wrote: »
    All good things come to those that wait - this was forecast to start 2014

    http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/WexfordCountyCouncil/M11GoreytoEnniscorthy/SchemeName,16408,en.html



    Watch for Howlin and Kehoe all over the N11 announcement like a rash. GRRRRRRRRRRRR

    Will be at least 10 years before it gets done...next few big road jobs will be in the west


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭cute_cow


    Great news, but agree with vicwatson, Enniscorthy needs to be bypassed!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    cute_cow wrote: »
    Great news, but agree with vicwatson, Enniscorthy needs to be bypassed!!

    In more ways than one, I'm told :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭RAFA B


    Jengagirl wrote: »
    Will be at least 10 years before it gets done...next few big road jobs will be in the west

    Ten years before the N11 gets done from the Arklow bypass to the Beehive???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Jengagirl wrote: »
    Will be at least 10 years before it gets done...next few big road jobs will be in the west

    Because Mayo has the country's Europort...........oh wait,we have it.

    Haven't the Enniscorthy bypass & New Ross one been ringfenced to start regardless of what happens elsewhere in the country?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 Jengagirl


    RAFA B wrote: »
    Ten years before the N11 gets done from the Arklow bypass to the Beehive???

    No - 10yrs before Enniscorthy by pass


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    Jengagirl wrote: »
    Will be at least 10 years before it gets done...next few big road jobs will be in the west

    What makes you think that? The next 3 schemes to be financed are
    N17-N18 Gort to Tuam
    N25 New Ross bypass
    M11 Gorey to Enniscorthy

    EIB will consider funding thse schemes
    http://www.eib.org/infocentre/press/news/all/eib-confirms-interest-in-funding-luas-cross-city-further-road-projects.htm


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Jengagirl wrote: »
    No - 10yrs before Enniscorthy by pass

    I'd love to know where you came up with that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 RustyRobo


    This should be a good thing long term for safety and journey times to Dublin.
    But, will it cost us over 2 years of disruption and tail backs?
    I also, wonder what will happen to the Bee Hive & Jack White's - my guess is that the Hive may fold due to the lack of passing drones, whilst JW's may survive given its excellence and notoriety.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    RustyRobo wrote: »
    my guess is that the Hive may fold due to the lack of passing drones, whilst JW's may survive given its excellence and notoriety.

    Both of these pubs will be beside new junctions for the new road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭RAFA B


    RustyRobo wrote: »
    This should be a good thing long term for safety and journey times to Dublin.
    But, will it cost us over 2 years of disruption and tail backs?
    I also, wonder what will happen to the Bee Hive & Jack White's - my guess is that the Hive may fold due to the lack of passing drones, whilst JW's may survive given its excellence and notoriety.

    Apparently there will be little or no disruption. Will be well worth it even if there are small disruptions.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    RustyRobo wrote: »
    This should be a good thing long term for safety and journey times to Dublin.
    But, will it cost us over 2 years of disruption and tail backs?
    I also, wonder what will happen to the Bee Hive & Jack White's - my guess is that the Hive may fold due to the lack of passing drones, whilst JW's may survive given its excellence and notoriety.

    there couldnt be any worse effects that what is currently there with regards to tailbacks, especially at the end of the Rathnew bypass heading south on a Friday evening. plus the road is already marked out and is away from the existing road, the only time there will be construction noticeable is when either end is connected.

    and I dont think the beehive is exactly thriving right now anyway. antime I have passed by the car park looks dead and empty, especially in comparison to Jack Whites.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    There will be some disruption. I posted this in roads forum already - there will be some disruption where the existing alignment is used.

    Geometry – Main Alignment (Horizontal and Vertical)
    For the purpose of description the proposed route has been divided into two
    sections as follows:
    o the southern section from Arklow Bypass to Kilmurry North, and
    o the northern section from Kilmurry North to Ballinaclogh.
    Arklow Bypass to Kilmurry North
    The proposed route alignment commences at the north end of the Arklow
    Bypass, at a point where the dual carriageway starts to taper back towards a
    single carriageway cross section. Between Arklow Bypass and Scratenagh the
    new dual carriageway will be constructed to overlie the existing N11 single
    carriageway with additional widening occurring to the eastern side
    to avoid
    residential and industrial property located to the west. The proposed route
    descends towards Scratenagh Cross Roads where direct access to the N11 from
    the L6177 and L6674 local roads will be closed off.
    A new overbridge is to be located approximately 300m north of Scratenagh
    Cross Roads to allow local traffic from the L6177 and L6674 county roads to
    cross the dual carriageway. An all-purpose local access road, to be designated
    as the R772, will be provided on the western side of the N11 from Ballinaskea at
    the north end of Arklow Bypass to Scratenagh
    and the proposed overbridge.
    Continuing north of Scratenagh overbridge the proposed alignment sweeps
    across to the western side of the existing N11 to avoid direct impact on
    residential, agricultural and industrial property located adjacent to the eastern
    edge of the N11 at Clonpadden and Cronakip. The existing N11 carriageway will
    be retained for use as a local all-purpose access road between Scratenagh
    overbridge and the proposed grade separated interchange at Jack White’s Cross
    Roads. This will allow access to be provided to the various properties adjacent
    to the east side of the existing N11. The proposed dual carriageway is located
    close to existing ground level with minimal cut and fill to avoid potential problems
    associated with drainage from large cuttings or visual intrusion from large
    embankments.
    As the proposed alignment approaches Jack White’s Cross Roads, it rises on an
    embankment to allow an underbridge to be constructed as part of the grade
    separated interchange. This allows the roundabouts either side of the proposed
    alignment to be constructed at existing ground level and the side road
    21 CH 2145 /ER27.ER2032 An Bord Pleanála Page 6 of 60
    connections to be accommodated. Slip roads allow full access on and off the
    proposed dual carriageway for local traffic and also for tourist traffic.
    North of the interchange the proposed vertical alignment descends back down to
    existing ground level and horizontally it closes back onto the existing N11 as they
    both sweep towards Togher. South of Togher, the dual carriageway overlies part
    of the existing N11 and widens along its western edge.
    The proposed alignment
    sits in the valley adjacent to the existing N11, part of which is retained as a local
    all-purpose access road.
    An overbridge is proposed at Kilmurry North to allow local access over the dual
    carriageway and to the interchange at Jack White’s Cross Roads. The overbridge
    links two small roundabouts, which are located on the new R772 all-purpose
    local access road. The eastern roundabout has a new realigned section of the
    L5660 to Ballyclogh North. The western roundabout connects the overbridge, a
    realigned section of the L95114 and a section of new link road to connect to the
    former N11 near the Ballyhara junction.
    Kilmurry North to Ballinaclogh
    From Kilmurry North the proposed alignment continues north while the existing
    N11 sweeps northwest towards Ballyhara. An existing residential property at
    CH 8+400 requires to be demolished on the west side of the N11 at Kilmurry
    North in order to avoid further impacts on residential property to the east and also
    to minimise land severance effects.
    The proposed alignment rises on embankment on the approach to the crossing
    of the existing N11. An underbridge on the L5664 to Kilbride and on the existing
    N11 just north of Ballinacor East will retain local access below the dual
    carriageway. The alignment passes across the N11 between the local cemetery
    and Lil Doyle’s Public House at Ballinacor East, and continues north west off-line
    from the existing N11 towards Kilboy.
    Crossing open farmland on alternating cutting and embankment, the dual
    carriageway crosses the L5158 at Kilboy and the L1157 at Breagura. These side
    roads would be retained using underbridges for local access. The topography of
    the existing ground and steep gradient of the Kilboy road prevents the use of
    overbridges at these locations. A tributary of the Potter’s River runs alongside the
    L1157. The topography of the existing ground eliminates the possibility of
    realigning this tributary away from the site of the Breagura Underbridge and
    consequently this underbridge will accommodate both the L1157 and the
    tributary of the Potter’s River.
    Continuing north the proposed alignment sweeps northeast on a right hand curve
    to rejoin the corridor of the existing N11 at Ballinameesda Upper. The Potter’s
    River is crossed at CH 11+800, the river will be re-aligned in this vicinity in order
    that a perpendicular river crossing is achieved thereby shortening the length of
    culvert structure. Thereafter the alignment follows the line to the west of the
    existing N11 carriageway.
    From Coolacork to Roscath the proposed dual carriageway alignment runs
    parallel to the west side of the existing N11 to minimise agricultural landtake. As
    21 CH 2145 /ER27.ER2032 An Bord Pleanála Page 7 of 60
    it approaches Roscath the vertical alignment enters a cutting, which will reduce
    visual intrusion and the effects of traffic noise on the adjacent farm properties.
    As it passes Roscath across open farmland the alignment continues parallel to
    the N11 at existing ground level. The proposed culvert for the Three Mile Water
    river is crossed at CH14+300. The dualled N11 crosses the L1113 Coolbeg
    county road and then enters a cutting through the disused quarry area north west
    of the N11/R751 Beehive junction. Continuing north the alignment closes on the
    existing N11 and ties into the dual carriageway Newtownmountkennedy to
    Ballynabarny road improvement at Ballinaclogh.
    A grade separated interchange is proposed adjacent to the N11/R751 Beehive
    junction.
    The existing N11 is retained to the south of the proposed interchange and
    connected to its eastern roundabout to allow full access to the dual carriageway
    for local traffic.
    Junctions and Grade Separated Interchanges
    The junction strategy restricts access to the dual carriageway to the junctions
    described below. These junctions provide linkage between the N11 Rathnew to
    Arklow Road Improvement and the local road network. The strategy reduces the
    number of traffic conflict points to enhance the safety of road users. All other
    local roads are grade separated from the dual carriageway or realigned and do
    not have direct access to it. Similarly direct private access shall not be permitted
    to the dual carriageway with the exception of a single left on/left off gated priority
    junction access to forest land owned by Coillte. Access to private properties has
    been maintained from the local road network and by the provision of
    accommodation roads and underpasses.
    The proposed junctions on the dual carriageway are therefore restricted to the
    following locations:
    o grade separated interchange west of Jack White’s Cross Roads
    o grade separated interchange west of the Beehive junction
    o left on/left off gated priority junction access to Coillte lands at Chainage
    12+550.
    Ancillary Roads
    Regional and Local Roads
    The proposed road development necessitates the realignment or crossing of a
    number of Regional and Local Roads in order that they can be integrated into the
    proposed local R772 all-purpose road network, and their existing junctions with
    the N11 can be closed off to improve road safety. Other than the junctions
    described in the previous section there will be no access provided between these
    roads and the dualled N11.
    It is proposed to provide a local all-purpose road from Ballymoyle at the southern
    limit of the proposed road development to Ballinaclogh near to the northern limit.
    This road will be designated the R772 Regional Road and will utilise significant
    lengths of the existing N11 to provide a complete local road along the length of
    the proposed road development. The R772 will provide access to properties,
    21 CH 2145 /ER27.ER2032 An Bord Pleanála Page 8 of 60
    businesses, farms and fields, and will allow direct access to the N11 to be closed
    off to improve road safety. The all purpose road will also allow local traffic on the
    R772, and strategic traffic on the dual carriageway N11, to be kept separate
    which will further improve road safety. The R772 will provide access to and from
    the dual carriageway via the new grade separated interchanges at Jack White’s
    Cross Roads and The Beehive junction.
    In order to further improve road safety on the local all-purpose road it is proposed
    to standardise the cross section where possible to provide a six metre wide
    single carriageway with one metre wide hardstrips, this will necessitate the
    breaking up and landscaping of some redundant areas of the existing N11
    carriageway.
    Accesses
    There are an abundance of junctions, field gates and private entrances on the
    existing route which increase the potential for road accidents. This proposed road
    development will eliminate right turn crossings of the opposing traffic flow on the
    N11 through the use of a closed central median and grade separated
    interchanges. There are approximately 90 direct accesses excluding field
    accesses onto the single carriageway N11 within the limits of the proposed road
    development. Excluding the slip roads of the two proposed grade separated
    interchanges, the two public lay-bys and the four Garda observation platforms
    there will only be one direct access onto the dualled N11, this being a gated
    minor access onto the northbound carriageway for Coillte. This reduction in
    potential conflict points will greatly assist in improving road safety on the N11.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,590 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Jengagirl wrote: »
    No - 10yrs before Enniscorthy by pass

    A start date is to be announced within a few weeks and construction will last two years according to the local free rag.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,590 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Someone from the AA on the radio this morning says the Rathnew - Arklow stretch is to start shortly,no mention of the Enniscorthy bypass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 Jengagirl


    kneemos wrote: »
    Someone from the AA on the radio this morning says the Rathnew - Arklow stretch is to start shortly,no mention of the Enniscorthy bypass.

    Enniscorthy by pass is years away and someone I know in NRA has said the quickest they expect it to start is 7 or 8 years minimum unless there is a significant economic upturn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    Jengagirl wrote: »
    Enniscorthy by pass is years away and someone I know in NRA has said the quickest they expect it to start is 7 or 8 years minimum unless there is a significant economic upturn.

    It's in the government's investment programme. The fact that they got funding for the Arklow-Rathnew scheme makes it more likely that this will start in the next 3 years. It'll be interesting to see if they can get the New Ross tender away.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0717/329438-cabinet-set-to-approve-2bn-stimulus-package/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭blindsider


    A Varadkar speech in April 13

    http://www.cilt.ie/news/news-2013/658.html?task=view

    There are three road PPP projects included in the Government’s stimulus package. These are the N17-N18 Gort-Tuam link, the N25 New Ross bypass, and the M11 Gorey-Enniscorthy,

    Now that additional funding has been confirmed for the Exchequer element of these projects the National Roads Authority is moving ahead with the procurement process.

    Another important PPP project, the provision of a motorway on the N11 between Arklow and Rathnew, bundled with a free-flow system at Newlands Cross on the Dublin to Limerick road, is at an advanced stage of negotiation and is expected to reach financial close in the near future.
    ********************************

    This seems to suggest that Enniscorthy will progress before Arklow-Rathnew, but I do recognise that it's a politician's speech, so I wouldn't be 'putting the house on it'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    blindsider wrote: »

    This seems to suggest that Enniscorthy will progress before Arklow-Rathnew, but I do recognise that it's a politician's speech, so I wouldn't be 'putting the house on it'.
    Nah, there were some issues in finalising the funding of the Arklow - Rathnew section, but when the EIB agreed to part-fund it the final contracts were signed. That'll start in the next few weeks, I think it'll be late next year before the New Ross scheme starts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    jd wrote: »
    There will be some disruption. I posted this in roads forum already - there will be some disruption where the existing alignment is used.


    Of course there will be disprution.

    You can't make an omelette without cracking open some eggs.

    Remember the mains drainage slogan in Wexford Town all those years ago - "it'll be worth it" :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Of course there will be disprution.

    You can't make an omelette without cracking open some eggs.

    Remember the mains drainage slogan in Wexford Town all those years ago - "it'll be worth it" :D

    True :) I'd say there will be somewhat more disruption than while building the Gorey By-pass.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    jd wrote: »
    True :) I'd say there will be somewhat more disruption than while building the Gorey By-pass.
    Anybody who travelled between the Arklow bypass and Rathnew last Monday between 4.30 and 6.30 pm won't complain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Murtinho


    bmaxi wrote: »
    Anybody who travelled between the Arklow bypass and Rathnew last Monday between 4.30 and 6.30 pm won't complain.

    i was travelling south on it, looked brutal on the other side, crawling along bumper to bumper from Inch to Ashford @6pm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    jd wrote: »
    True :) I'd say there will be somewhat more disruption than while building the Gorey By-pass.

    And so be it.:D Minor details


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 Barn Owl


    Murtinho wrote: »
    i was travelling south on it, looked brutal on the other side, crawling along bumper to bumper from Inch to Ashford @6pm


    On a practical level .. Can anyone estimate the time saving aspect of this new measure? Say from Rathnew to Gorey or Wicklow to Gorey, which would usually take about 40 mins, what length of time would one be looking at after the new road is complete? Cheers to anyone who can help : )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭RAFA B


    Barn Owl wrote: »
    On a practical level .. Can anyone estimate the time saving aspect of this new measure? Say from Rathnew to Gorey or Wicklow to Gorey, which would usually take about 40 mins, what length of time would one be looking at after the new road is complete? Cheers to anyone who can help : )

    I reckon from the beehive to the start of the arklow bypass you are looking at saving 10 minutes maybe more.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    Depends on time of day/year.
    16 km at 120 kph is 8 minutes
    at 80 kph is 12 minutes.

    So a minimum of 4 minutes :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭RAFA B


    jd wrote: »
    Depends on time of day/year.
    16 km at 120 kph is 8 minutes
    at 80 kph is 12 minutes.

    So a minimum of 4 minutes :)

    Might be less if it's 100kph on that stretch:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    RAFA B wrote: »
    Might be less if it's 100kph on that stretch:)

    I'd be pretty sure it'll be motorway when it opens, otherwise the redesignation of the Rathnew by pass was pretty pointless :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭RAFA B


    jd wrote: »
    I'd be pretty sure it'll be motorway when it opens, otherwise the redesignation of the Rathnew by pass was pretty pointless :)

    I could be wrong but am nearly sure i read it will be a dual-carriageway. Could be wrong though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    RAFA B wrote: »
    I could be wrong but am nearly sure i read it will be a dual-carriageway. Could be wrong though.
    Gorey Bypass (amongst others) was built as a (High Quality) Dual-Carriageway and re-designated as motorway afterwards. Minister of transport has this power since 2007. Previously, all motorways were built using a motorway order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭RAFA B


    jd wrote: »
    Gorey Bypass (amongst others) was built as a (High Quality) Dual-Carriageway and re-designated as motorway afterwards. Minister of transport has this power since 2007. Previously, all motorways were built using a motorway order.

    Thanks guvnor.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    It'll mean so much more than the few minutes though. No more sitting behind trucks or oul'wans in Micras sitting on the centre white line at 30mph, no more tractors and cyclists at Ballinameesda, no more suicidal lunatics at Jack Whites or the Beehive, no more two mile tailbacks to merge at Rathnew or the end of the Arklow bypass. Heaven :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭RAFA B


    bmaxi wrote: »
    It'll mean so much more than the few minutes though. No more sitting behind trucks or oul'wans in Micras sitting on the centre white line at 30mph, no more tractors and cyclists at Ballinameesda, no more suicidal lunatics at Jack Whites or the Beehive, no more two mile tailbacks to merge at Rathnew or the end of the Arklow bypass. Heaven :)

    Yes very true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Do hope it's designated 120 km/h

    I really don't see the difference, on the Arklow by pass for example, of the road size and structure and why some of it is 100 km/h and other parts with the exact same size and structure are 120 km/h.

    It's beyond belief really.

    Same on the M50, most of the road on the southern cross route is 100 km/h - even though it's supposed to be a motorway - daft.

    Yet the N70 from Kenmare to Waterville, for example, is also 100 km/h :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Murtinho


    bmaxi wrote: »
    It'll mean so much more than the few minutes though. No more sitting behind trucks or oul'wans in Micras sitting on the centre white line at 30mph, no more tractors and cyclists at Ballinameesda, no more suicidal lunatics at Jack Whites or the Beehive, no more two mile tailbacks to merge at Rathnew or the end of the Arklow bypass. Heaven :)

    it'll also take away the worry of getting stuck there and having to add on 10-20 mins to your daily commute just in case, bliss indeed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Do hope it's designated 120 km/h

    I really don't see the difference, on the Arklow by pass for example, of the road size of structure and why some of it is 100 km/h and other parts with the exact same size and structure are 120 km/h.

    It's beyond belief really
    AFAIK The only part of the Arklow bypass that is not 120kph, apart from the last km to the exit at Clogh, is the stretch before the first Arklow exit southbound and correspondingly after the last Arklow exit northbound. This is because of the junction with the old Arklow road at the Rugby club. (Can't have the "rugger buggers" discommoded by having to drive to the lift-off, you know) although there may be houses that are only accessible from that southbound exit. I haven't studied the plan in detail but I don't recall seeing any change to this, so I imagine it will stay at 100kph.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    Murtinho wrote: »
    it'll also take away the worry of getting stuck there and having to add on 10-20 mins to your daily commute just in case, bliss indeed.

    Yep, now you'll only have to worry about the 10-20 mins at Kilmacanogue in the morning or Loughlinstown in the evening. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    bmaxi wrote: »
    AFAIK The only part of the Arklow bypass that is not 120kph, apart from the last km to the exit at Clogh, is the stretch before the first Arklow exit southbound and correspondingly after the last Arklow exit northbound. This is because of the junction with the old Arklow road at the Rugby club. (Can't have the "rugger buggers" discommoded by having to drive to the lift-off, you know) although there may be houses that are only accessible from that southbound exit. I haven't studied the plan in detail but I don't recall seeing any change to this, so I imagine it will stay at 100kph.

    Yeah, the problem re those llos, which will be removed, certainly when the new section opens.


    http://www.wicklow.ie/apps/wicklowbeta/News/JohnstownSouth.aspx
    http://www.wicklow.ie/apps/wicklowbeta/News/JohnstownNorth.aspx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Same on the M50, most of the road on the southern cross route is 100 km/h - even though it's supposed to be a motorway - daft.
    Motorways don't have to have limits of 120 km/hr, though this is the default. Urban motorways/freeways etc often have lower/variable limits. Most of M50 had limits reduced as the lanes were narrowed, also some junctions are pretty close together. I


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Murtinho


    bmaxi wrote: »
    Yep, now you'll only have to worry about the 10-20 mins at Kilmacanogue in the morning or Loughlinstown in the evening. :)

    Wont bother me, I dont go that far:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    jd wrote: »
    Motorways don't have to have limits of 120 km/hr, though this is the default. Urban motorways/freeways etc often have lower/variable limits. Most of M50 had limits reduced as the lanes were narrowed, also some junctions are pretty close together. I


    I don't get it

    This is from citizens information

    "
    Motorway speed limits (120 km/h)

    A speed limit of 120 kilometres per hour is in place on all motorways. You should note that learner drivers, vehicles under 50 cc, bicycles, pedestrians, animals and invalid carriages are not allowed on motorways in Ireland."


    So it's either the M50 OR NOT :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    vicwatson wrote: »
    I don't get it

    This is from citizens information

    "
    Motorway speed limits (120 km/h)

    A speed limit of 120 kilometres per hour is in place on all motorways. You should note that learner drivers, vehicles under 50 cc, bicycles, pedestrians, animals and invalid carriages are not allowed on motorways in Ireland."


    So it's either the M50 OR NOT :P



    CIB is wrong. A motorway is defined as follows (no speed limit mentioned :) )

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0014/print.html#sec43

    43.—(1) A motorway means a public road or proposed public road specified to be a motorway in a motorway scheme approved by the Minister under section 49 .

    (2) A person shall not have or be entitled to direct access from any land adjoining a motorway to the motorway, or from the motorway to such land, nor shall a right to such direct access be granted at any time.

    (3) The Minister may prescribe—

    (a) the classes of vehicles which shall be permitted to use a motorway and different classes of vehicles may be prescribed in relation to motorways generally, particular motorways or particular parts of particular motorways, and

    (b) conditions in relation to the use of motorways generally, particular motorways or particular parts of particular motorways by vehicles or specified classes of vehicles (including conditions specifying the periods of use of motorways by specified classes of vehicles) and different conditions may be prescribed in relation to different motorways or different classes of vehicles.

    (4) (a) Pedestrians and pedal cyclists shall not use a motorway.

    (b) Persons in charge of, or having control over, animals shall not permit them to be on a motorway.

    (5) (a) A person who uses a motorway in contravention of regulations under subsection (3) shall be guilty of an offence.

    (b) A person who contravenes subsection (4) shall be guilty of an offence.

    (6) A reference in any enactment or instrument to a motorway shall be deemed to be a reference to a motorway as defined in this Act.

    So yes, it's the M50 ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    After that diversion, has anyone seen any equipment moving on site etc?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Murtinho


    there was a crane opposite Jack whites this morning, just got a glance but it seemed to be installing portacabin yokeys that the staff us around such sites. Jack White's will clean up on lunches over the next few yrs if their being based there!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭slickmcvic


    jd wrote: »
    After that diversion, has anyone seen any equipment moving on site etc?

    There was a moxy & track machine along with the crane accross from jack whites this evening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 5HCC


    Is it possible the dual carriageway before Rathnew bypass can be redesignated Motorway? I see a bus stop and the exits look a bit short but could it be a motorway most of the way back to Exit 11 Graystones Kilcoole Kilpedder?


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