Season 3: Episode 5 * Have NOT read the books/SPOILERS**MOD Note Post 1+34

DL Saint

First off ehm so yeah Ygritte is some vixen, great seductive scene in the cave. Who knew all the Wildling activities and hiking etc. could make her look like that :pac: Also had a serious laugh at the "You know nothing Jon Snowwwohhh! :P

Besides that we got a nice interesting episode with what seem like major events and tactics unfolding. Rob moving on Casterly Rock seems like a nice plan. Also I found it interesting that Roose Bolton is holding Jamie but didn't seem to ask anyone to send a raven to tell Rob that they have him, maybe I'm reading too much into that though...

The events in Kingslanding are certainly getting interesting. Was good the way we got to see a Littlefinger spy, after seeing a Varys one last week. More talk in this episode on Sansa being the Key to the North if Rob Stark falls. But she isn't because Bran and Rickon are still alive, right?


What I really liked about this episode was we got to hear Jamie explaining a bit about why he slayed the King and he gave us some nice background on Tywin. Then the scene with Tywin at the end made us see the man that Jamie was talking about who will do anything to be in power and on the winning side.


MOD NOTE :

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Mr Blobby

That scene with Jaime talking about the Mad King was spine-chilling

Overall loved this ep. Maybe even more than the last.

Kirby

This was the best episode this season. More of that please.

They really, really are getting us to feel empathy for Jaime. Or atleast the author is. I keep having to remind myself of all the sh*t he's done because I really did feel bad for him, sitting in that bath. That "kingslayer" tag defined him. Made him who he was. And he didn't deserve it.

Kirby

DL Saint wrote: »

More talk in this episode on Sansa being the Key to the North if Rob Stark falls. But she isn't because Bran and Rickon are still alive, right?

Yes but nobody knows that. Even the Starks think they are dead.

thomond2006

So Stannis keeps his daughter hidden away like that? What a cold man.

Kirby

thomond2006 wrote: »

So Stannis keeps his daughter hidden away like that? What a cold man.

It's interesting when you see the parallels between Stannis and Tywin.

Tywin, the bastard that he is, didn't lock his child away in a tower when he was born deformed. And even with his wife dying in child birth. Yes, he's cruel and vindictive and vicious towards Tyrion....but he didn't hide him away. He's a lannister.

Stannis is supposed to be this honourable man but I just don't see it.

googled eyes

Great episode. I think Jamie is getting more and more likable as it goes on. It was great to hear the story of how he became the kingslayer from his point of view. You can see he hates the very words KingSlayer but can never lose the title.

Its good to see Rob making the hard decision as King of the north, knowing the risk of losing the Karstarks, still follows his beliefs ( for good or bad).

I absolutely loved the end scene with the Lannisters sitting round the table.

Stannis's wife keeping their dead sons in jars was weird

IK09

Is this the episode thats on Sky Atlantic tonight? Are ye downloading it or something?

DeepBlue

IK09 wrote: »

Is this the episode thats on Sky Atlantic tonight? Are ye downloading it or something?

Not at all. We charter a jet to fly to the US to see it early. :pac:

podgemonster

IK09 wrote: »

Are ye downloading it or something?

I saw it in the flames.....

GottaGetGatt

Jamie's an hero.The king would have burned kings landing to the ground had it not being for what Jamie did.

krudler

This is why I love this series, people are never "good" or "bad", supposedly evil characters have noble traits and vice versa.

except Joffrey, little sh1tbag :pac:

iamanengine

So, what's up with Stannis daughter? Deformed at birth or? The Stannis story line just gets weirder and weirder!

I'm loving Jaime more and more with each episode you really forget all the horrible stuff he has done.

Will be interesting to see what Rob is going to get up to in the next episode or two, taking Casterly Rock is a badass move!

Edit - Also Ygritte, damn!

thiarfearr

Thought Robb was stupid, 1 mans head isn't worth losing half an army, especially when he's been destroying the Lannisters. Great ending scene with Tywin marrying off both his children, especially Cersei. The whole Stannis thing was just strange, hopefully see more of Danaerys army again next week, didn't do much at all this week

Ms. Captain M

The feckin' babies in the bottles!

Stannis' daughter going to visit Davos can't end well.

AlmightyCushion

Pickled babies, one of Westeros' lesser known delicacies.

MadYaker

Jamie's hardly dead is he? He's not looking so good. Great episode though, nice twist at the end with the arranged marriages.

iamanengine

Ms. Captain M wrote: »

The feckin' babies in the bottles!

Stannis' daughter going to visit Davos can't end well.

As she said, there both locked away, what else can they really do?

If anything I think she could be the key to showing him Melisandre is a b*tch :P

expectationlost

googled eyes wrote: »

Its good to see Rob making the hard decision as King of the north, knowing the risk of losing the Karstarks, still follows his beliefs ( for good or bad).

removing the kids after yerman threatened to kill them would have been the smarter play.

pixelburp

Wow, Rob's on his way to Casterly Rock; that's a really bold manoeuvre. He didn't have much choice really with that murdering Santa chap, had he let him live it was likely the clan would still march away anyway, but one would think this is sink-or-swim time. I was wondering though when his decision to marry outside of the agreement with Frey would come back to haunt him.

Rob's journey is an interesting contrast to Daenerys when you think about it: she has managed to forge her own destiny, always shaping circumstances to suit her & generally avoiding having to compromise or sacrifice. Rob on the other hand has to constantly bend to others' whims, make deals & you can see that all his own compromises are beginning to unravel his initially simple plan.

As for the other threads: it's funny all the same how 3 series in & I barely blink when Sir Beric returns to life; credit where credit's due, the introduction of the fantasy & magic has been really well paced. I am sceptical though that Arya's return will be simple - TV doesn't like A to Bs & could easily imagine her getting sidetracked; though if she does return to the Starks, that throws Tywin's plan into a cocked hat.

Good to see Sir Davos is still ticking & at least has some company; I hope he muddles through it all. I am very curious about Stannis' daughter - at first I thought she had bad burns, but it looks more like scales than anything else.

Annnd of course it would be Game of Thrones without something lurid or macabre; this week, babies in formaldehyde. Yay.

AlmightyCushion

pixelburp wrote: »

I am sceptical though that Arya's return will be simple - TV doesn't like A to Bs & could easily imagine her getting sidetracked; though if she does return to the Starks, that throws Tywin's plan into a cocked hat.

I doubt it would. Even if Arya is back with he Starks, if Rob dies Stansa would still be next in line if their are no males. Arya being back doesn't affect his plans, Bran still being alive does.

pixelburp wrote: »

Good to see Sir Davos is still ticking & at least has some company; I hope he muddles through it all. I am very curious about Stannis' daughter - at first I thought she had bad burns, but it looks more like scales than anything else.

When I first seen her I jokingly thought she could be half dragon. With this show it could actually be true.

pixelburp

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I doubt it would. Even if Arya is back with he Starks, if Rob dies Stansa would still be next in line if their are no males. Arya being back doesn't affect his plans, Bran still being alive does.

Well it doesn't help - I get the impression that Tywin is operating under the presumption that the Starks will be reduced to Sansa; with Arya's survival becoming public, the Stark lineage becomes more complicated. Were it just Sansa that would make things easier to manipulate. As you say though, once the two boys appear on the scene that really will be everything messed up.

Hmmm a thought just occurred - how does Tywin know that Theon "murdered" the two Stark boys? Ok, the Greyjoys attacking Winterfell was probably common knowledge, but the fact they killed Brann and Rickon? Between this and the Boltons hospitality towards Jaime, I'm definitely liking those Boltons less & less; I'm calling it now - the Boltons are going to swap sides.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

When I first seen her I jokingly thought she could be half dragon. With this show it could actually be true.

Well the castle is Dragonstone & the Targaryens used to live there; it's not the maddest theory going. Have we been told what family Stannis' wife comes from?

ScrubsfanChris

When we see that "the lord of light" can bring people back from death, all I was thinking..... Zombie Ned Stark!

abff

krudler wrote: »

This is why I love this series, people are never "good" or "bad", supposedly evil characters have noble traits and vice versa.

except Joffrey, little sh1tbag :pac:

Yes, hateful little sh*t, isn't he.

theteal

abff wrote: »

Yes, hateful little sh*t, isn't he.

it's a Cork thing

Dempsey

Another good episode with plenty of good stories going on.

Good to see Robb Stark not compromise his beliefs for political favors but I think he'll fall off that high horse soon enough.

Stannis is becoming more unlikeable with each episode. His daughter obviously has some sort of unknown gift and will become a commodity for him to use later on.

Jamie on the other hand is becoming more likable

Tywin I feel could be pulling a knife out of his back in the future and you wont have to look any further than his kids because he doesnt seem to like any of them. My money is on Jamie to do it after his Kingslayer speech, Tywin treating him like Tyrion over his lost hand will set him off.

Them Boltons seem like a mad breed altogether

pixelburp

Dempsey wrote: »

Another good episode with plenty of good stories going on.

Good to see Robb Stark not compromise his beliefs for political favors but I think he'll fall off that high horse soon enough.

But he already has, that's part of the problem that he faced: he made a deal with Frey back in season 1/2 to marry his daughter in exchange for passage through his lands - a deal that he subsequently broke & now has to return there to beg use of Frey's troops. Rob followed a fairly linear course of 'honour' (mixed with personal gratification) and it has ultimately left him exposed and needing to further compromise.

Rosy Posy

A monumentous episode...Jon Snow popped his cherry and cracked a smile! Don't know about anyone else but I'd been waiting for that for a while. I wonder if he's truly switching allegiance to Manse and the Wildlings. It would probably be a good idea given the pathetic state of the Nights Watch. I wonder if the warg is able to enter people's minds as well as animals? Jojen Reed can see inside Brans dreams... Maybe this is why he hates him so much?

Feel sorry for Sansa being used as a pawn. She is really naïve if she thinks that Baylish and Margery have her best interests at heart, or if she doesn't realise that Loras is gay. Tyrion wouldn't be the worst husband and at least Shae would come with her, although given her previous outburst she wouldn't be too happy.

The Stannis scenes were really icky. His poor wife and child. Dragon stone seems like a kip...possibly cursed by the Targareons? I wonder why he didn't get to live at Storms End now that Renley and Robert are gone?

Robb's army seems to be falling apart but there wasn't much he could do. Should have let the Karstark lord kill the kingslayer while he had the chance. I'm also unsure about Roose Bolton's intentions. Previously he was always at Robb's side, now he's back at the Dreadfort, a considerable way from Riverrun and its not made clear whether he has told Robb about the Kingslayer's apprehension. I don't think that the Lannisters would be very well disposed towards the Boltons since Jamie was mutilated at their hands. Still he seems to be trying to treat them decently now. Great scene between Jamie and Brienne in the bath.

Syferus

Those are Jojen's dreams as well. Nothing to suggest they can read minds.

Degag

Another very good episode. Happy that the Hound survived. Didn't think he would tbh. Fantastic scene with Jaime and Brienne.

hussey

pixelburp wrote: »

Hmmm a thought just occurred - how does Tywin know that Theon "murdered" the two Stark boys?

It's common knowledge. Robb got a raven from winterfell saying Theon murdered Bran & Rickon. the whole realm knows

lafors

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

When I first seen her I jokingly thought she could be half dragon. With this show it could actually be true.

Exactly what I thought when I saw her, they weren't burns they definitely looked like scales. I hope she's a dragon born, the more dragons the better The story is expanding excellently with every episode.

Loved the scene when Sir Beric comes back to life. They make it nice and gorey so we have no doubt of the strength of the magic.

Delighted Cersi is getting some comeuppance

Does anyone else dislike Robb Stark? I'd love to see him end with his head on a pike and Katelin (sp?) beside him, she's a moan, always a sour face on her

oxygen

Loved that episode. Didn't think I would enjoy a talkie so much, but knew they had to do one with the last couple of big budget eps they have had.

Jamie's speech "I don't think he expected to die"
The two Lannister boys "Is this a rescue?"
Ayria "Can you bring a man with no head back? just once"

Yvit (or whatever) :pac: "You know nothing John Shnuuuuh..."
Tyrion:pac: "Well she is missing a few essential bits for him" Zing!

KerranJast

Arya would break your heart Maise Williams is fantastic in this show.

calex71

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thiarfearr

calex71 wrote: »

MOD NOTE

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Thank you

Don't think thats a wise post if it discourages people from reporting spoilers, better to have reports than none and plots being spoiled by idiots

calex71

thiarfearr wrote: »

Don't think thats a wise post if it discourages people from reporting spoilers, better to have reports than none and plots being spoiled by idiots

Sorry edited my post to be a little clearer, I should have said "prior to this post"

MadYaker

hussey wrote: »

It's common knowledge. Robb got a raven from winterfell saying Theon murdered Bran & Rickon. the whole realm knows

Not totally correct, he got a raven saying there was no sign of them at Winterfell, not that they were dead.

krudler

the flaming sword fight was class, Jaime's story about how he earned the Kingslayer name was one of the highlights of the show, not just this season the show in general. He's always been charismatic but unlikeable and as the last two seasons have gone on he's much more sympathetic. Whereas I liked Tywin purely for the scenes with Arya last season now he's gone back to being a monumental prick again.

DeepBlue

Did Littlefinger not recognise Arya in Harrenhal with Tywin in series 2? He looked directly at her and seemed to pause.
Yet obviously he didn't mention it to Cersei as she commented on his failure to find Arya in this episode.

golfball37

DeepBlue wrote: »

Did Littlefinger not recognise Arya in Harrenhal with Tywin in series 2? He looked directly at her and seemed to pause.
Yet obviously he didn't mention it to Cersei as she commented on his failure to find Arya in this episode.

He hinted to Sansa that he had seen her sister but I dunno if it was clear or implied that he meant this rendezvous at Harrenhall.

Hyzepher

The Jamie storyline is getting interesting especially when held up against the last scene with Tywin and the other siblings. So it looks like Jamie acted out of the best interest of the Kingdom rather than what his father wanted - maybe that's one of the reasons he never gave his real motivation behind the king slaying. This is interesting given the high regard Tywin has for him and his comments about the loyalty of his children while objecting to the marriages. Some additional cracks in the Lannister household.

Jamie's latest reveal I fear is a set up for something bigger - maybe he goes out in a blaze of glory defending the crown or maybe Brienne's honor or something, or maybe she dies defending him and he has a complete turn around and starts to stand for all that's good etc.

Rob has talents for the battlefield but little else. His handling of the Lannister boys has dwindled his army and it's not that he wasn't warned. He should have let the incident go and dealt with it after the war. Now it has lead indirectly to him having to grovel back to the Freys with wife in tow. It may be forced to take on Casterly rock on his own and lose the war. All because he couldn't see the benefit of biting his tongue.

The whole Stannis story is mad. He must be the most easily lead of all the potential Kings. He makes decisions based on whims and instantly regrets them. The whole kids in jars is also interesting as it signifies something - just dont know what yet - especially as the only female child survives albeit with some sort of birth defect.

The Kings Landing politics will no doubt shape the show - there is so much going on that even a small change could change the balance of power. But you feel Tywin either triumphs or meet an unexpected end. If he secures the Tyrells then I fear for the North.

But of course all this is irrelevant if either Daenerys or the evil from the North show up anytime soon

KerranJast

Hyzepher wrote: »

But of course all this is irrelevant if either Daenerys or the evil from the North show up anytime soon

You would have to think that soon word will reach King's Landing that she has an Unsullied army, a small Dothraki war band and muthafreaking dragons and is on the march west.

Rumours of Dragons is one thing. A Dragon burning a city is yet another.

golfball37

KerranJast wrote: »

You would have to think that soon word will reach King's Landing that she has an Unsullied army, a small Dothraki war band and muthafreaking dragons and is on the march west.

Rumours of Dragons is one thing. A Dragon burning a city is yet another.

They know about her all right.
Varys told Tyrion in season 2 that she was in Qarth and had 3 Dragons, but she was years away from the capital. One battle at a time my friend was the response or something like that.

KerranJast

golfball37 wrote: »

They know about her all right.
Varys told Tyrion in season 2 that she was in Qarth and had 3 Dragons, but she was years away from the capital. One battle at a time my friend was the response or something like that.

Oh yeah before the Siege. I remember now.

allybhoy

Compared to the last 2 episodes i thought this was a bit of a downer, very little story progression apart from character depth etc. Only really enjoyed the lannister scenes, Jamie and the lesbian, Tywin and his kids and Tyrion and the granny. John snow is really getting on my tits lately as is Stannis, im intrigued abou his daughter and the dead sons in jars was very strange aswell. Hopefully things speed up next week as we are half way through

thiarfearr

allybhoy wrote: »

Jamie and the lesbian

She's not a lesbian, she was in love in with Renly

krudler

the Stannis plot is the one I'm least interested in tbh, for me it goes

The Lannisters in King Landing
Jaime/ Brienne
Arya
Dany
Robb

of the main plotlines

calabi yau

krudler wrote: »

the Stannis plot is the one I'm least interested in tbh, for me it goes

The Lannisters in King Landing
Jaime/ Brienne
Arya
Dany
Robb

of the main plotlines

Interesting.....

I want to see the Starks meet the Lannisters again

peace2804

golfball37 wrote: »

They know about her all right.
Varys told Tyrion in season 2 that she was in Qarth and had 3 Dragons, but she was years away from the capital. One battle at a time my friend was the response or something like that.

Well to be more precise he said one game at a time my friend .

I think all the storylines are interesting, they are there because somehow they will be linked, I believe that Stannis will have a good role in the future as we see more and more of this lord of light...........maybe Stannis will be immortal just like the other fella who fought against the Hound.

Snow and Daenerys are for me the most important storylines as I can see so much potential on them, Bran with his new skill is interesting as well but we haven't seen much of him so far this season.

Potential-Monke

I'm intrigued by the Tyrion and Sansa arrangement. Tywin obviously thinks that by marrying Tyrion to Sansa he is guaranteeing power in the north, but Bran and the other lad still alive, should the marriage go ahead and Robb dies, would that not mean that Tyrion, and specifically the Lannisters, are now "in bed" with the enemy? Westeros politics is complicated.

Dany is taking a huge chance with freeing the unsullied, even though they seem to still be her army, will the freedom get to them eventually and they decide to live a life rather than fight for her? I doubt it, but this is Game of Thrones, Lord of Light knows what will happen next!

MadYaker wrote: »

Not totally correct, he got a raven saying there was no sign of them at Winterfell, not that they were dead.

But when Theon burned the two baker boys, was it not to deceive people into thinking that they were the 2 Stark boys?