It's happened in Iceland - it could happen here too

hatrickpatrick

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/icelanders-oust-government-over-austerity-programme-1.1375471

Voters in Iceland have returned the government which ruled from 1980 right up to and including their spectacular economic meltdown.
This sent a shudder down my spine when it popped up in my news feed. If we needed any more reminding of the horrific reality that there is a possibility of Fianna Fail one day clawing its way back into power, this should serve as a kick up the ass for anyone who complacently assumed that they were finished for good. I will fully admit to being one of those naive optimists at the time of the last general election.

In my view, anyone with any shred of pride in their country needs to band together and figure out some way of making sure this absolutely does not happen. And don't get me wrong, I despise our current government as much as anyone, but if there's one thing I'm 100% positive about it's that Fianna Fail must never, ever, ever be allowed anywhere near any position of authority for as long as that organization continues to blacken our nation with its existence.

What can be done about this?

Ilik Urgee

Don't vote Fianna Fail?

orestes

So you basically want to shut down the democratic process?

humberklog

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/icelanders-oust-government-over-austerity-programme-1.1375471



What can be done about this?

Keep voting FG and Labour?

NuckingFacker

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/icelanders-oust-government-over-austerity-programme-1.1375471

Voters in Iceland have returned the government which ruled from 1980 right up to and including their spectacular economic meltdown.
This sent a shudder down my spine when it popped up in my news feed. If we needed any more reminding of the horrific reality that there is a possibility of Fianna Fail one day clawing its way back into power, this should serve as a kick up the ass for anyone who complacently assumed that they were finished for good. I will fully admit to being one of those naive optimists at the time of the last general election.

In my view, anyone with any shred of pride in their country needs to band together and figure out some way of making sure this absolutely does not happen. And don't get me wrong, I despise our current government as much as anyone, but if there's one thing I'm 100% positive about it's that Fianna Fail must never, ever, ever be allowed anywhere near any position of authority for as long as that organization continues to blacken our nation with its existence.

What can be done about this?

Vote FG -they'll burn the bondholders and promise never to introduce a property tax. They sound really good.

Bipolar Joe

All of them are as bad as each other. It's a complete farce.

ted1

With a population of 370,000 there's not much room for different parties. Also if you think of 6 degrees of seperation pretty much everyone is related so a lot of family loyalty would be involved at the polls

pragmatic1

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Vote FG -they'll burn the bondholders and promise never to introduce a property tax. They sound really good.

Will they also fcuk up the public finances to such a degree that we'll have to beg the EU, IMF and the ECB to save us.

pragmatic1

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

All of them are as bad as each other. It's a complete farce.

No. Bad as FG are FF are in another league entirely.

squod

Heading for a sixth? inquiry into the events of Sept 2008. Still no-one in jail. Mass fraud goes unpunished and seemingly unnoticed by the majority.

Senna

If it was Ireland that returned FF to government, the first comment on AH would be "This could only happen in Ireland".

kupus

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Will they also fcuk up the public finances to such a degree that we'll have to beg the EU, IMF and the ECB to save us.

I think that was fianna fail as well.!!

Bipolar Joe

pragmatic1 wrote: »

No. Bad as FG are FF are in another league entirely.

It's pretty much all spin. They'll tell you they will do this and won't do that, but the reality is they all will, either because it's the unpopular but right thing to do, or because they're just greedy. The reality is, politics is a business.

Manach

At least we have Labour's way or the Frankfurt way. Oh wait, were they lieing about that as well in case the plebs did not have the wit to fully understand their true intent.

3rdDegree

orestes wrote: »

So you basically want to shut down the democratic process?

Yes, we can't be trusted.

hatrickpatrick

I'm not in any way talking about upending the democratic process. I'm more thinking along the lines of tactics ranging from some kind of campaign to remind people just how rotten this organization is, or the formation of a new party which could challenge the entire Irish establishment and permanently change the dynamic we have at the moment with regard to FF/FG and whatever poor sods decide to try their luck going into coalition with them.

Anything along those lines. But I really do feel there needs to be SOME kind of counter campaign to try and prevent this from happening.

kupus

we need a dictator, I wonder if Micheal O Leary would be interested in the role.

ilovesleep

On saturday night's news Mehole Mairtin was yapping their FF gathering about how immoral the household tax is, forgetting compeletely that he and his party was going to introduce it.

hatrickpatrick

ilovesleep wrote: »

Mehole Mairtin

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Gotta remember this

ilovesleep

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Gotta remember this

Fcuking hypocrite.
Not you Patrick. I like you. But Mehole.

hatrickpatrick

ilovesleep wrote: »

Fcuking hypocrite.
Not you Patrick. I like you. But Mehole.

He's a hypocrite indeed. Having said that, Enda Kenny is a demonstrable hypocrite as well, if you look up his previous remarks about property tax from the safety of opposition.

I've said this many times, but the only way we'll prevent political hypocrisy is if we treat election manifestoes as a legally binding contract which, if violated, triggers an automatic and immediate general election. That way it would be impossible for a politician to knowingly lie in order to defraud voters of their votes.

oppenheimer1

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm not in any way talking about upending the democratic process. I'm more thinking along the lines of tactics ranging from some kind of campaign to remind people just how rotten this organization is, or the formation of a new party which could challenge the entire Irish establishment and permanently change the dynamic we have at the moment with regard to FF/FG and whatever poor sods decide to try their luck going into coalition with them.

Anything along those lines. But I really do feel there needs to be SOME kind of counter campaign to try and prevent this from happening.

The main problem is that any kind of new party that comes on the scene will have to promise more of the same, because the troika have set out the path for the government to follow. All subsequent governments have to abide by the commitments made by the past.

Also the idea that FF are evil bogeymen is stupid. They did not set out for what happened to happen.

Chuck Stone

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

All of them are as bad as each other. It's a complete farce.

Farce is correct. The illusion of choice. It doesn't matter who you vote you're going to get a power-hungry **** lying to you about giving you back your taxes in one way or another.

BillyMitchel

ilovesleep wrote: »

Fcuking hypocrite.
Not you Patrick. I like you. But Mehole.

Mehole is full of shít...

Duck Soup

What amazes me is that Mehole was mentioned in dispatches during one of the inquiries as having (allegedly) taken a five figure bung (allegedly) for planning permission (allegedly) for a shopping (allegedly) centre.

So when it turns out that Fianna Fail are the most corrupt, incompetent shower of goatfúckers ever to have have disgraced a modern democracy, they roll out one of the old-school back-slapping, nodder-and-winkers to be the fresh, shiny new face of New Improved Fianna Failure.

Sorry, but anyone who votes for them any time within the next 100 years needs to have their vote taken away for them on the grounds of mental incompetence.

murraykil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FRVvjGL2C0

Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, Labour, they are all gutless when it comes to standing up to the EU, the IMF, the civil service.

Until high level civil servants have contracts that expire with the Government, changing the Government does not change much.

Unless Gerry gets in, then things will change . . .

Enda is going to have a hard time preventing a Gerry and Michael T&T next time round! :pac: Martin will find it hard to resist joining Sinn Féin in power, or else they might just have to quit the bs and combine FF and FG.

It would be so interesting to see a three way split between Sinn Féin, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael at the next election!

General General

This is the best we can do... the politicians are drawn from the great Irish public, don't forget.

What we've got is the best we can do.

LOI Stats

Thank Christ this thread wasn't about a volcano.

Banjo String

I like the way enders keeps referring to the blanket, bank guarantee, and how it was treachery to the Irish people etc etc etc.


Did he not sign off on the legislation for same while in opposition

amacca

ted1 wrote: »

With a population of 370,000 there's not much room for different parties. Also if you think of 6 degrees of seperation pretty much everyone is related so a lot of family loyalty would be involved at the polls

I take your point but that population figure seems a off, is that the number with a vote??? seems low even then

ilovesleep

ilovesleep wrote: »

Fcuking hypocrite.
Not you Patrick. I like you. But Mehole.

Isn't that part of the job description for a politician in opposition though!

They always oppose "unpopular" legislation which they'll still carry out if they get elected next time.

As for the property tax, well that was imposed on us by a greater power! :mad: