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paddythefarmer

sorry now new to boards appoligies if in wrong area looking for advice looking to gain some experience in gas work in kerry area willing to go with anyone that will alow me to go with them gust to gain a bit of experience any advice or help appreciated

Dtp79

paddythefarmer wrote: »

sorry now new to boards appoligies if in wrong area looking for advice looking to gain some experience in gas work in kerry area willing to go with anyone that will alow me to go with them gust to gain a bit of experience any advice or help appreciated

Unless you're GIS and GID have been completed and you register with Rgi you can only look and not touch I'm afraid.

paddythefarmer

Dtp79 wrote: »

Unless you're GIS and GID have been completed and you register with Rgi you can only look and not touch I'm afraid.

have gid and gis done but no experience not registered gust trying to gain some experience and build up knoledge finding it hard and am will to learn

Dtp79

paddythefarmer wrote: »

have gid and gis done but no experience not registered gust trying to gain some experience and build up knoledge finding it hard and am will to learn

Can't fault your effort but ya know yerself no good Rgi will give you work experience unless your registered yourself. Costs 180 + 570 insurance ( not sure if u need insurance if working under somebody else )for the year I think. If you're registered then just ring around a few RGIs in your area and say you want work experience and work for a reduced rate for a while if needs be

esox28

I know fas are providing internships, they will link you up with a plumber, im not sure if you need some time served on the tools to suit this scheme. Its great your trying to get on with things....but I think fas are making a boo of things as I've seen full time plumbers getting the boot to make room for these young guys to work for the employers for nothing as fas pays there wages

Where is the thinking in that?

QBE

esox28 wrote: »

I know fas are providing internships, they will link you up with a plumber, im not sure if you need some time served on the tools to suit this scheme. Its great your trying to get on with things....but I think fas are making a boo of things as I've seen full time plumbers getting the boot to make room for these young guys to work for the employers for nothing as fas pays there wages

Where is the thinking in that?

That's ridiculous. This scheme should only be based around An unemployed apprentice or a newly qualified one . This gives the one man van (quick buck maker) an opurtunity to do away with his polish / cash in hand man ect for a cheaper price. Its getting more farcical everyday.

QBE

paddythefarmer wrote: »

have gid and gis done but no experience not registered gust trying to gain some experience and build up knoledge finding it hard and am will to learn

can I asked how you obtained gis and gid and what previous qualifications/certs you provided to obtain these or what industry you work in?

is the answer in your name (paddy the farmer)

esox28

That's ridiculous. This scheme should only be based around An unemployed apprentice or a newly qualified one

think that's how it works, but is it fair to get employers a free worker in place of a pays worker, not there fault -the system-

QBE

esox28 wrote: »

think that's how it works, but is it fair to get employers a free worker in place of a pays worker, not there fault -the system-

not really fair for employment places. Those that must earn the required figure to feed children and pay mortgages ect. Would not be able to compete for employment on this basis.

But if the scheme is based only around apprentices and newly qualified. I am runner with it. The young lads get pushed to the side and lack the experience and knowledge later in life
.

Do you know if its a fixed term. Lets say 1 year . then you do not qualify for that scheme again. Or limited to the amount of places an employer can obtain these intrims. I would be interested in this. I would take a newly qualified apprentice on this scheme or an unemployed apprentice (3rd or 4th Year) and pay him his full entitlements on completion of obtaining the additional training required to meet a certain level of competence. I always prefer a raw just time served recruit or apprentice over the plastic 20 year experienced fitter. More wiling to listen aswell as learn IMO.

However good men are only ever going to work for a wage that meets their abilty. I don't think you will get these on an intrim.

paddythefarmer

a looking to gain some experience not looking to get paid only to tag along ask questions and look at some one servicing boilers and instaling gas cookers thats my story gust finding it hard to gain experience any help appreciated:)

Dtp79

paddythefarmer wrote: »

a looking to gain some experience not looking to get paid only to tag along ask questions and look at some one servicing boilers and instaling gas cookers thats my story gust finding it hard to gain experience any help appreciated:)

Just ring around your local RGIs. I'm sure one wouldn't mind you tagging along

Robbie.G

Dtp79 wrote: »

Just ring around your local RGIs. I'm sure one wouldn't mind you tagging along

You need to look at an rgi out of your area because I don't know anyone including myself that would want someone to tag along and show them the ropes for them to be in competitionto them

QBE

paddythefarmer wrote: »

a looking to gain some experience not looking to get paid only to tag along ask questions and look at some one servicing boilers and instaling gas cookers thats my story gust finding it hard to gain experience any help appreciated:)

what is your back round farming?
have you any experience as a plumber ( fitting pipes and sanitary appliances) or mechanical services (heating systems) or Heating engineering & servicing / maintaince ( boilers)?

QBE

Also if you have no experience in any of the above mentioned section of plumbing and heating. No one should be encouraging you (or the likes of this) to continue your role in search for employment in that area & It is also an out and out disgrace that the relevant bodies let you obtain GSI & RGI certs. if you have no experience is any of the above mentioned fields or electics.

I don't wish it on anyone. But its only a matter of time before a major disaster/tragedy takes place due to the farce of a system that's in place.

Everybody needs a job. So if you want to get involved in the industry. Why not take a welders course (if its gas related you want. there is gas involved in that) and gain experience in the industry that way.

sullzz

QBE wrote: »

Also if you have no experience in any of the above mentioned section of plumbing and heating. No one should be encouraging you (or the likes of this) to continue your role in search for employment in that area & It is also an out and out disgrace that the relevant bodies let you obtain GSI & RGI certs. if you have no experience is any of the above mentioned fields or electics.

I don't wish it on anyone. But its only a matter of time before a major disaster/tragedy takes place due to the farce of a system that's in place.

Everybody needs a job. So if you want to get involved in the industry. Why not take a welders course (if its gas related you want. there is gas involved in that) and gain experience in the industry that way.

How is there anything in a welders course
that has anything to do with being an rgi gasfitter

paddythefarmer

Robbie.G wrote: »

You need to look at an rgi out of your area because I don't know anyone including myself that would want someone to tag along and show them the ropes for them to be in competitionto them

robbie im plumbing with ten years did allproper procedures went to fas servied apprentiship did oil servicing cource solar cource did gis and gid gust looking to better my self knologr wise not a lot on gas down my way understand about competision but have a goverment job so wont be treading on any ones toes we all have to start some plase and that is what i am trying to do appreciate any advice

Robbie.G

paddythefarmer wrote: »

robbie im plumbing with ten years did allproper procedures went to fas servied apprentiship did oil servicing cource solar cource did gis and gid gust looking to better my self knologr wise not a lot on gas down my way understand about competision but have a goverment job so wont be treading on any ones toes we all have to start some plase and that is what i am trying to do appreciate any advice

I commend you for looking to do better if your not intending to go out on your own you shouldn't be a threat to any competitors.So as was previously advised contact Rgi's and see if any will let you tag along. You could also post your location here afterall there are lads here from all over the country and one might be able to help you

shane0007

We do a lot of work for Electric Ireland Home Services in Leinster but the office that runs the whole thing is based in Abbeydorney, Tralee. I am off on my jollies for next couple of weeks but when I get back I will have a word & see if any of their local contractors could help you out.
Can't promise anything but I will ask.

QBE

sullzz wrote: »

How is there anything in a welders course
that has anything to do with being an rgi gasfitter

First of all I was been smart. I thought he had no experience at all in the game. However he confirms later in his post he has. I know of one lad (a bricklayer) gained that got gis and gid by been unemployed and provided by fas. I do not condone that.

secondly a lad like that I applaud. He has a stabile job and just wants to update his knowledge in the game he was trained. I did a GIFF course and found it to be great for fault finding. I would recommend that course to you. You have experience . So you will have no problem with that course. You will meet people there that may be take you along with them. The company I previously worked for paid for my course. But there was plenty of knowlegable and experience gas tech lads there just updating their skills.

Best of luck to you. Maybe you could highlight what area you live in and you never know . You might get a pm. You be surprised.

QBE

and just to add. To give you a bit of confidence.

Domestic Gas boilers are in my opinion easier to repair than any domestic oil burner . (IMO a piece of piss to repair and iv very little experience working on domestic boilers. but id have no problem repairing any gas domestic boiler or repair parts within parts(others specialising in repairs, will know what I mean by that.) So what I am saying . Its not rocket science. As long as you know how they are manufactured and know the ins and outs of a heating and electric system that GIFF course would benefit you fine and probably make you a better tech than the majority on offer at present, that your looking to tag along with.

However the best experience I ever gained was working in the industry. Stripping and putting back together Industrial boilers and burners. You know your sh#t after years of doing that . I can tell you

The ability to fault find is about understanding and following logic the fuel source is secondary. I wouldn't be as confident as some about fault finding on gas as I find it challenging and difficult at times.

Op get the basics right and the rest will follow, build up a procedure and stick to it, always do your safety checks, don't ever let yourself be compromised or sign off on someone else's work, read the MI, don't second guess your gas regs, join Vipergas Training for a decent online resource and develop a healthy respect/paranoia for gas because if you get it wrong you can kill people, a fear that seems to be lost on many RGI's sadly.

QBE

gary71 wrote: »

I wouldn't be as confident as some about fault finding on gas as I find it challenging and difficult at times.

Op get the basics right and the rest will follow, build up a procedure and stick to it, always do your safety checks, don't ever let yourself be compromised or sign off on someone else's work, read the MI, don't second guess your gas regs .

I agree 100% with the above gary71 and that's the kind of advice that is priceless. To the point without the need to elaborate on the scientific engineering principles.

Dtp79

gary71 wrote: »

The ability to fault find is about understanding and following logic the fuel source is secondary. I wouldn't be as confident as some about fault finding on gas as I find it challenging and difficult at times.

Op get the basics right and the rest will follow, build up a procedure and stick to it, always do your safety checks, don't ever let yourself be compromised or sign off on someone else's work, read the MI, don't second guess your gas regs, join Vipergas Training for a decent online resource and develop a healthy respect/paranoia for gas because if you get it wrong you can kill people, a fear that seems to be lost on many RGI's sadly.

What's vipergas Gary?

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

What's vipergas Gary?

Training group in the UK that has developed training manuals that have been accepted by UK industry as good practice. Excellent resource for information & correct practices.

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Training group in the UK that has developed training manuals that have been accepted by UK industry as good practice. Excellent resource for information & correct practices.

Thanks Shane. What do ya do Just sign up? Any cost?

QBE

chemistry of gas.

There is another alternative to them in north Yorkshire. The company I use to work for sent me on a course there about 8 years ago . I cant remember the name of it. It was not vipar gas. It was in North Yorkshire. Gary71 probably knows the name.

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

Thanks Shane. What do ya do Just sign up? Any cost?

Yes you just sign up but from Rep. Of Ireland you will need to phone them to arrange payment as it will not accept your RGI number on-line.
Cost depends on what you want access to. If memory serves me correctly, its only about £50. This gives you access to all their manuals in PDF format. Excellent value. I purchased their hard copy manuals for £50 each.

QBE

could friends. not just pass on the hard copies to each other. :cool:

however the courses have to be attended. cant pass that on and id say there more than 50 quid.

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Yes you just sign up but from Rep. Of Ireland you will need to phone them to arrange payment as it will not accept your RGI number on-line.
Cost depends on what you want access to. If memory serves me correctly, its only about £50. This gives you access to all their manuals in PDF format. Excellent value. I purchased their hard copy manuals for £50 each.

When you say manuals do you mean boiler manuals?

QBE

noting to do with boiler manuals. that's part of your apprenticeship. this is chemistry of gas . big boys stuff. A specialist field only few fitters know about.

and any one giving advice in this area. should produce their qualifications. This is not like connecting up your domestic gas boiler. any one wants my qualifications in that area, ill gladly pm them to you

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

When you say manuals do you mean boiler manuals?

No not boiler manuals.
Basically UK version of GIS, GID, Nat Gas, LPG & Commercial. Very nice explanations & procedures. Good coverage of PD, ID & NCS, etc.
Combined with Irish knowledge it can very much expand yourself.

Dtp79

QBE wrote: »

noting to do with boiler manuals. that's part of your apprenticeship. this is chemistry of gas . big boys stuff. A specialist field only few fitters know about.

and any one giving advice in this area. should produce their qualifications. This is not like connecting up your domestic gas boiler. any one wants my qualifications in that area, ill gladly pm them to you

Im confused. Why would I want your qualifications ?

QBE

sorry girls. just looked at that website, not what I am talking about. That's just safty procedures stuff. And there was me thinking.... chemistry of gas was that waste of space course I went on. Ill have to sign up for this. Might get me membership in the gang:D

QBE

Dtp79 wrote: »

Im confused. Why would I want your qualifications ?

I was talking about a specialist field. you wouldn't understand. Do you think gas boilers only run on lpg and natural gas. Would you say gases could be mixed and used.

other than that


career prospects would be 1 and no 2

Dtp79

QBE wrote: »

sorry girls. just looked at that website, not what I am talking about. That's just safty procedures stuff. And there was me thinking.... chemistry of gas was that waste of space course I went on. Ill have to sign up for this. Might get me membership in the gang:D

What?

QBE

Dtp79 wrote: »

What?

read the last post about your gas boiler and mixing different gases.then come back with your question

QBE

Dtp79 wrote: »

What?

did you ever hear of methanol fuel ? If you want I have a big intrest in this area. I can pass you on some info.

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

When you say manuals do you mean boiler manuals?

PM me your email address & I will send you the collection of manuals. Files are large but will get through unless you have DropBox, I can then send you a DB link.

QBE

dtp79 that last comment was not a smart comment. My intrest grew in that area due to working for a company that had a contract with a multi national gas company in Ireland. If you are interested in that area I can pass on some valuable information. drawings ect

QBE

shane0007 wrote: »

PM me your email address & I will send you the collection of manuals. Files are large but will get through unless you have DropBox, I can then send you a DB link.

now in fairness. that's the best post iv came across on this forum to date. well done and im not been smart

that lads not upto date on that end of things. so giving him the manuals is a great help to him. I admire that.
but if it went into a lecturing class. I wouldnt

Dtp79

Dtp79 wrote: »

What's vipergas Gary?

https://www.vipergas.co.uk/Mobile.aspx

I think Viper do the best training manuals as they keep it simple which suits me.

QBE

gary71 wrote: »

https://www.vipergas.co.uk/Mobile.aspx

I think Viper do the best training manuals as they keep it simple which suits me.

to be honest gary . until you mentioned them I never heard of them before. are they a safty procedure crowd or do they teach about the chemical combustion aswell. do you also know the name of that place is north Yorkshire. for the good of me I cant remember?

QBE

QBE wrote: »

to be honest gary . until you mentioned them I never heard of them before. are they a safty procedure crowd or do they teach about the chemical combustion aswell. do you also know the name of that place is north Yorkshire. for the good of me I cant remember?

I wouldn't know any training crowd out of Yorkshire I'm afraid.

Viper produce training manuals to assist gas engineers who are sitting their ACS in the UK, they present the information in a simplistic manor and would be a very good resource for any RGI. I have hard copies for years but the online version is just as good.

QBE

gary71 wrote: »

Viper produce training manuals to assist gas engineers who are sitting their ACS in the UK, they present the information in a simplistic manor and would be a very good resource for any RGI. I have hard copies for years but the online version is just as good.

well you have thought me something I didn't know. Ill be looking in that that. could only be of benefit. thanks

QBE

gary71 wrote: »

I wouldn't know any training crowd out of Yorkshire I'm afraid.

.

I have a cert from them . they teach about combustion and gases. ill dig the cert out and post the name of them. It was a college we attended for 4 weeks. ill update shortly.

paddythefarmer

shane0007 wrote: »

We do a lot of work for Electric Ireland Home Services in Leinster but the office that runs the whole thing is based in Abbeydorney, Tralee. I am off on my jollies for next couple of weeks but when I get back I will have a word & see if any of their local contractors could help you out.
Can't promise anything but I will ask.

shane 0007 thanks any help appreciated is that tli in abbeydorney iv heard of them but no nothing about them gust looking to get a bit more confidence and experience thanks shane

shane0007

Yes that's them. They do all the transmission works for ESB Networks but have also taken over running the Home Services for them. I have been with them for just over 3 years. Excellent company to work with but H & S mad!

paddythefarmer

QBE wrote: »

First of all I was been smart. I thought he had no experience at all in the game. However he confirms later in his post he has. I know of one lad (a bricklayer) gained that got gis and gid by been unemployed and provided by fas. I do not condone that.

secondly a lad like that I applaud. He has a stabile job and just wants to update his knowledge in the game he was trained. I did a GIFF course and found it to be great for fault finding. I would recommend that course to you. You have experience . So you will have no problem with that course. You will meet people there that may be take you along with them. The company I previously worked for paid for my course. But there was plenty of knowlegable and experience gas tech lads there just updating their skills.

Best of luck to you. Maybe you could highlight what area you live in and you never know . You might get a pm. You be surprised.

qbe should have explained backround earlier sorry new to this finding my way in the kerry area as i said wont be treading on toes gust looking to upskill more in area of instaling gas cookers and servicing boilers any help appreciated

paddythefarmer

shane0007 wrote: »

Yes that's them. They do all the transmission works for ESB Networks but have also taken over running the Home Services for them. I have been with them for just over 3 years. Excellent company to work with but H & S mad!

sorry shane do they service gas boilers and do gas work in houses did not relise that health and safety mad so

shane0007

I think Carillion do the service work for them but I'm not 100%. They will have local contractors that do gas works so that would be who might have some experience work for you.

paddythefarmer

shane0007 wrote: »

I think Carillion do the service work for them but I'm not 100%. They will have local contractors that do gas works so that would be who might have some experience work for you.

sound shane who would i look to talk to with tli about my senario sorry for all the questions