The Almighty Boge

Rattleshakes

Well I've been using both the Protank and iClear30 over the past week and trying the same juice (ET's Virginia Prime) in each for comparability.Got the best flavour from the iClear but it has its issues and I found the Protank lacking in flavour but really consistent otherwise.

So I went to drip the VP in my 306 and couldn't find the poxy thing so decided on the good auld Boge s/r and blow me sideways it was so satisfying!!!
Actually found myself laughing out loud,I 'loled'.:D

Also want to thank some of yee lads who put me onto them when I was having trouble with clearomizers.

Green Hornet

Yep - nothing wrong with Boges at all. Seemingly there's an odd dud these days but overall they are a very good piece of kit. They give a nice 'full' vape or something....they beat the hell out of clearo's any day of the week.

Rattleshakes

Green Hornet wrote: »

Yep - nothing wrong with Boges at all. Seemingly there's an odd dud these days but overall they are a very good piece of kit. They give a nice 'full' vape or something....they beat the hell out of clearo's any day of the week.

Very true,the mystery surrounding 'BogeGate' may never be solved.
There seems to be a lot more emphasis on improving the clearomizer compared to the carto.Maybe they've tweaked it as much as they can.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

there's more benefit to getting the clearo right
unscrew base, pour in liquid. done
as opposed to drop 5 drops, wait for it to soak, drop 5 drops, wait for it to soak, drop 5 drops, wait for it to soak, have a cigarette, drop 5 drops wait for it to soak...

BeansBeans

Condom method? :P
Anyway Im hating boges at the moment, 2 boxes in a row now, three out of five cartos are basically worthless. I needs an alternative.

Rattleshakes

BeansBeans wrote: »

Condom method? :P
Anyway Im hating boges at the moment, 2 boxes in a row now, three out of five cartos are basically worthless. I needs an alternative.

Yeah I went through a terrible time with the bogeys,but I'm beginning to think its because they're juice sensitive,which is kinda obvious when you think about it(..I think!).I seem to generally have issues with them when I'm using Virginia Prime or the like,god that stuff is King Gunk but so nice.I don't usually have the same issues when using thinner 80/20 liquids,although I do have with '1st Choice' but then again that's a Canadian leaf(Virginia) tobacco so it's gonna be gunky.so it seems as if boges,and I would imagine carto's in general,will work much better with thinner liquids as its more easily absorbed through the filler material.Im still a newbie,but that's my take on it.

BeansBeans

Ah no these are just straight out of the box bad . I know the chocolate mint from Texas Select (although not sure of ratios) murders cartos, they work great for a day or two then draw just tightens up totally. At the moment, the two juices in my tanks are 80/20 PG/VG.
Its been going on for a few months now, but instead of two bad ones in a box it seems to be 2 good ones in a box in the last few weeks. It's getting worse and I'm getting desperate.

Plenty of people use extremely high VG juices without issue though, it seems to be more of an ingredient thing, certain sweeteners maybe? I find the sweeter juices do clog it up faster, having said that I usually get a food few refills with El Toro Eden.
Must find an alternative, but don't know of any in europe.

I'll stop complaining about cartos now

grindle

Dark or sweet juices are just going to abuse coils. As it was and ever shall be.

Kanger make cartos, they get great reviews from 'Muricans. Consistent reviews from former Boge-hounds, seems they might be worth a try?

BeansBeans

Ya just had a look on UKVapers there and seems a few people happy with the Kangers all right. Never bothered to try them before.

Rattleshakes

There is definitely an increase in bogey boges,but its strange,because a number of people never seem to have an issue,maybe they're just lucky with the particular type of juice they use or maybe who knows and the who and the anyways.So true about the darker juices though.

I'll give these skangers a try and if they are any good I'll refrain from calling them skangers

Thecageyone

I'm on and off with Boge's - sometimes they can be so nice, give great flavour and vapour and TH all at once, but then other times the vape seem too dry, sticky, not pleasant - I don't know how it's so different with the same juice, fresh cart? I use the condom method to start, then drop in as required after. I do that for each and every one. It is the best and quickest way to get all that material soaked.

But when you start getting that dry mouth vape ... it's not good.

BeansBeans

I think theyre lucky with the boxes they get, probably just a matter of time :P

I looked at the 4 duds that came out of the box today and they all have very little filler in them. Normally the filler is right up by the bottom of the drip tip, these id say the filler barely comes half way up the carto. Im tempted to open up a good one and bad one and have a look :P

platinums

Just started using a couple of boges, i thought the tank setup with them looks a bit nicer soon a mod. I thought i was doing it wrong wheni had to drip, wait,drip, mop wait...etc.

I wonder are they serviceable? like clean and re-use or can you re-wick them?

BeansBeans

You can boil the cartos to clean them, boil them for ten minutes, rinse, boil them again, when the water is clean stuff them with paper and you can get a few more days out of each carto, well maybe just one day or more, depending. I have done that with 801 fusion cartos which were fantastic and i had to get from America. Wouldnt bother with standard boges.

Rattleshakes

You can clean cartomizers but I reckon its a lot of bother especially considering how much they cost.

There is no doubt that Boges are sketchy.I've had boxes with 4/5 duds,but I've also began to minimise the damage by generally only using clear/clearish liquids.Due to personal experience and advice given here,I find it works best for me.

I can get a week or more using Cigarrillos,whereas if I use something like Virginia Prime the carto is busted within a day:eek:

In the coming weeks I'm gonna try out the Innokin and Skangeroonies and see how they pan out.

EDIT;I need to force myself to try this other CE2 'tank carto' after the experience the first time around,but I will...sshhhh! cant you here the sound of perseverance???....or is that perversion?...can never tell the difference

jamie72

How many mls does a boge hold? I'd go through 2ml on a T2 on a night out.

Lucutus

You'd want a tank with it, if you use the XL boge with a tank to fit, you get at least 5 ml in there, more if you've presoaked the cart.

jamie72

I'm investigating the Boges for my girlfriend, and she wants something neat and tidy, with little or no throat hit. Don't want her to have to start fiddling with tanks either.

Lucutus

They're cheap enough to get one and try it out, I would be weary of burning the filler or dry hits when using one without a tank though.

With a tank they perform very, very well.

Mr. Chrome

Boge claim 1.4ml with the xl, but I have my doubts. In my experience I would get about 8 drops into it after getting a dry hit.

jamie72

At 8 drops you'd be better with a dripper....

Mr. Chrome

jamie72 wrote: »

At 8 drops you'd be better with a dripper....

Probably :-)

Rattleshakes

jamie72 wrote: »

How many mls does a boge hold? I'd go through 2ml on a T2 on a night out.

A standard Boge will take 0.9ml according to the manufacturer.I use them on their own from time to time,but they're really best suited to a tank setup.If she doesn't like TH,then she's better off looking into other options.

jamie72

Rattleshakes wrote: »

A standard Boge will take 0.9ml according to the manufacturer.I use them on their own from time to time,but they're really best suited to a tank setup.If she doesn't like TH,then she's better off looking into other options.

Like?

Rattleshakes

jamie72 wrote: »

Like?

The ladies seem to be drawn to the evod,probably more to do with the optional colours than its effectiveness.
I'd recommend that or something like a Vision Nova mini or the iSmoka BCC mini.All available at your local TBS.

jamie72

The throathit from the T3s is making her gag and the evod uses the same head.

grindle

Lower nic juices, more VG, wider airholes, lower voltage/higher resistance?

jamie72

I had an old ego cart and atty lying around and that didn't make her gag, but was too weak, hence my reason for wanting to try carts. She'll be trying the carts on Thursday, so we'll see how she gets on.

meoklmrk91

Lucutus wrote: »

You'd want a tank with it, if you use the XL boge with a tank to fit, you get at least 5 ml in there, more if you've presoaked the cart.

Lads what's this tank you speak of, recent boge convert here after having leaking gurgling issues with the T2, really like the Boge's, but the only killer is the constant refilling, I use two cartos per juice, have one filled and the fill the other when that runs out, I miss the simplicity of the T2 fill and go. So is there actually a way to increase the capacity of the boge?

csi vegas

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Lads what's this tank you speak of, recent boge convert here after having leaking gurgling issues with the T2, really like the Boge's, but the only killer is the constant refilling, I use two cartos per juice, have one filled and the fill the other when that runs out, I miss the simplicity of the T2 fill and go. So is there actually a way to increase the capacity of the boge?

A tank set-up is a cartomizer (Boge etc) that goes into a 'tank' (or clearomizer-alike thing) and it's this set-up that will increase the capacity of a Boge.
The tank itself holds the majority of the liquid and works in conjunction with the Boge - the Boge is what then 'powers' the device.

Here's a pic

jamie72

Just to second meoklmrk91's request, I'm not familiar with carto/tank setups either. Can you give links to cheap and effective tank systems?

Do the carts taste the same in a tank, as they do on there own as well? (obviously when the cart is full of juice)

EDIT:CSI_Vegas got there just before me.

meoklmrk91

csi vegas wrote: »

A tank set-up is a cartomizer (Boge etc) that goes into a 'tank' (or clearomizer-alike thing) and it's this set-up that will increase the capacity of a Boge.
The tank itself holds the majority of the liquid and works in conjunction with the Boge - the Boge is what then 'powers' the device.

Here's a pic

Hey thanks for that sounds great, would you be able to post some reasonably priced systems that work well if its not too much trouble? Thanks

BeansBeans

Just to make a point about harsh throat hits. I find if you are using an ego battery, especially with a looser tank its quite common for the tank to get pushed down a bit partially blocking airflow at the top of the connection/bottom of the carto. Which will obviously tighten the draw and create a bigger throat hit. Which can be beneficial as well.

Rattleshakes

This is what I use at the moment -

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/agr.htm

Not sure why they use that picture as the top cap resembles the bottom cap,it doesn't have the knurled design.
Some people have issues with the AGR regarding flooding and you do need to take a bit of care when filling.I take the top cap off and fill to near-full,I leave about 1-2ml.When replacing the top cap,I take the small screw off and slowly tighten,letting air escape and then replace the screw.Theres loads of info on various forums about the AGR.
I like the fact it has a locking system that holds the carto in place to avoid any mishaps.its also pretty well made for the price.Just be sure to check the air flow channels on the locking cap are sufficient for proper airflow.

meoklmrk91

Rattleshakes wrote: »

This is what I use at the moment -

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/agr.htm

Not sure why they use that picture as the top cap resembles the bottom cap,it doesn't have the knurled design.
Some people have issues with the AGR regarding flooding and you do need to take a bit of care when filling.I take the top cap off and fill to near-full,I leave about 1-2ml.When replacing the top cap,I take the small screw off and slowly tighten,letting air escape and then replace the screw.Theres loads of info on various forums about the AGR.
I like the fact it has a locking system that holds the carto in place to avoid any mishaps.its also pretty well made for the price.Just be sure to check the air flow channels on the locking cap are sufficient for proper airflow.

Nice I think that's the one I'll go for I watched a Pbusardo review and he spoke really highly about it. Is it very big? It must be to fit the boge cartos inside as well as a few mils of liquid. I only have a 650 mah ego twists, I'm happy enough with them, especially since I started with the boge's they least me for ages, sometimes over a day, depending on how heavy I am vaping, but I am just worried they will look seriously top heavy with the tank on top.

grindle

AGR on eGo



UDCT on eGo

Green Hornet

Jaysus - that UDCT thing is like Merlins wand on an ego!!

grindle

That's the slim UDCT by the way... I think it looks fairly smart. Must be a 1000mAh battery though, you could join the majorettes.

meoklmrk91

Nice, thanks for the reply, it's pretty big but I'm still gonna go with the AGR, gonna buy one next week and see how it goes. Now for punching cartos, do you guys do it yourselves and if so what tool do your recommend. I noticed that esmoke Ireland don't seem to sell prepunched ones but ezsmoke do so it wouldn't be that hard to get them. Basically any recommendations are much appriciated, thanks.

grindle

I found a good junior hacksaw (€6/7?) best, though you can get carto punches from the vendors (€5-15?) or a saddle valve from a hardware store (€5-10?).

Green Hornet

This one is expensive but will last for yonks......it's preset too so you turn until the crank stops and you're done.

http://www.bargainvapour.com/Kir_Fanis_New_Carto_Puncher/p1274299_6898446.aspx

At 16 euro or so you're probably better to be sure that you're going to go this route in the medium or long term.

There are cheaper options but from what I read, they wear out quickly and require judgement rather than the preset one like I've linked.

Ionised

This http://www.ebay.ie/itm/221008167221 works as a superb carto punch and also autostops like the more expensive dedicated punches.

BeansBeans

That UDCT with that drip tip actually made me laugh, it really is like a wand. Actually kind of looks like the ISmoka BCC Mini there. I like it.
I think most carto tanks are shorter than the Kanger clearos arent they? I have no clearos anymore so cant check, but remember thinking - "Jesus, this looks ridiculous" while i was using a T3 on an ego twist 900. Huge!

I will say the AGR with the longer tube and the XL cartos is massive, I am down to my last carto at the mo which is an XL and its on an Evic with standard tube and it looks ridiculously big.

meoklmrk91

grindle wrote: »

I found a good junior hacksaw (€6/7?) best, though you can get carto punches from the vendors (€5-15?) or a saddle valve from a hardware store (€5-10?).

Green Hornet wrote: »

This one is expensive but will last for yonks......it's preset too so you turn until the crank stops and you're done.

http://www.bargainvapour.com/Kir_Fanis_New_Carto_Puncher/p1274299_6898446.aspx

At 16 euro or so you're probably better to be sure that you're going to go this route in the medium or long term.

There are cheaper options but from what I read, they wear out quickly and require judgement rather than the preset one like I've linked.

Ionised wrote: »

This http://www.ebay.ie/itm/221008167221 works as a superb carto punch and also autostops like the more expensive dedicated punches.

Thanks guys, plenty to think about there, I might just pick up a saddle valve in the short term as it can be gotten locally or the one off eBay and then get a decent one down the road if I continue on the cartos and tanks, had trouble with the t2 which is why I switched so don't want to be buying anything too expensive to start out.

jamie72

Very disappointed to find out that the ego cone doesn't fit over the boge carto! Just a hair too small.

Gryzor

jamie72 wrote: »

Very disappointed to find out that the ego cone doesn't fit over the boge carto! Just a hair too small.

Run the top of the cone over some sand paper, it'll widen the hole as it sands down...

jamie72

Oh I am going to sand/drill it. I was just surprised the boge was too big by default. A hair off and it'd fit perfectly.

BeansBeans

Positive change with Boges, bought a few pre-punched (only LR steel boges i could find strangely, I do not like pre-punched) cartos and filled 3 tanks, all 3 working perfectly. Bloody oddball things Boges. Of course my next five could be useless but anyway

Mr. Chrome

jamie72 wrote: »

Very disappointed to find out that the ego cone doesn't fit over the boge carto! Just a hair too small.

Stick a scissors into the top of it and ream it out. A few turns should do it.

Rattleshakes

KANGER CARTOMIZER


Not impressed.Flavour was ok and the throat hit was non-existent using a 50#50pg~vg 18mg and an 80#20 pg~vg 18mg juice.
Draw is a good bit tighter than a Boge,due to the horizontal coil which partly blocks the airflow,reminded me of the draw from a cigarette.

It didnt last as long as a Boge using the ultra gunky Virginia Prime(I've stopped using it in cartos,but wanted to make a comparison).
The only real positive I experienced was how absorbent the filler material is,it really sucks up the juice making filling that bit easier.

So I'm disappointed in its longevity,flavour and TH,but impressed by the filler material.
I'll do a Pee.Bastardo and give it a thumbs down.

I tried the other CE2 'tank carto' with an 80#20 juice this time and although it did work better,with less dry/burnt hits it still flooded,so its a 2 fingers instead of a thumbs down.

Rattleshakes

Well I reckon these are next inline http://pink-mule.com/mizersvaeske/cartomizere/tank-cartomizere?product_id=7976605

They're either gonna work well or flood like crazy.