Bull attack story

sazs

Hi,

Thought you might be interested in a new farm safety video campaign I'm working on.

I interviewed Cork farmer Liam O'Keeffe about the terrible bull attack he suffered on his farm.

There are also a number of other videos in the series.

Here's the YouTube vid. Let me know what you think!

Thanks

mikeoh

Excellent job well done... That man lucky to be alive to tell u his story......I've met plenty that couldn't

epfff

Tnx
For reminding me again
was getting careless again after Having a close 1 last year with feeding bulls in field
I'm just starting to wake up now to how many close 1s I have had over the years
Young son here now so my plan is not show him daddy is an ape or teach him any bad habits

quadboy

vid is just a second long and goes straight to the end or is it just happening to me

Bizzum

quadboy wrote: »

vid is just a second long and goes straight to the end or is it just happening to me

I could view it fine.

It's a harrowing tale. The point about the near misses is well made. We tend sometimes to just brush them off, put them down to experience and do little to reduce the probability of them happening again.
Our own bull has no ring at present, quiet an all as he is, it's a job on the to do list now after that reminder!

delaval

Out rounding up mop up bulls and some culls for blooding this morning.

One bull charged and chased me no warning. Luckily I was on quad and got out of the paddock.

Had I been on foot I was toast and maybe had I not been on bike he may not have charged

Everyone be very careful!!!!

case 956

delaval wrote: »

Out rounding up mop up bulls and some culls for blooding this morning.

One bull charged and chased me no warning. Luckily I was on quad and got out of the paddock.

Had I been on foot I was toast and maybe had I not been on bike he may not have charged

Everyone be very careful!!!!

what breed of bulls are they delaval? have a friesian here 2yr old and hes bould as fxxk, in shed at the minute trying to fatten him:rolleyes:

bogman_bass

Lucky boy! What age is the bull?

delaval

Two and a half. Oldest of the group. All sold.

vanderbadger

are these freisan bulls particularly aggressive?

delaval

vanderbadger wrote: »

are these freisan bulls particularly aggressive?

Fr bulls when no action going on very unpredictable as are all bulls.

The tiger head shark of all bulls is the Jersey small nimble and full of aggression. At the RDS Spring show it was a requirement that they have 2 handlers.

Small man syndrome.

I only posted as a reminder to us all to be alert

bogman_bass

+1 on the jerseys. Viscious little Baxtards! Polar opposite of the cows

Farmer Pudsey

bogman_bass wrote: »

+1 on the jerseys. Viscious little Baxtards! Polar opposite of the cows

The friendlier a cow or bullock are the more dangerous the bull is. I agre about jerseys had one last year finishing outside he was a bad apple drove the rest mad. He was particulary mobile up to about 18 months they are grand ( I would still be careful with them) after than watch out. AA are dangerous as well especially in bunches I think they are just after the jerseys for being dangerous.

yellow50HX

my dad kept FR bulls to 2 years about 7-8 years ago, never again. there was about 10 of them in a group and they were contacnt rootign and tearing. For safety we would feed them in teh filed with a round feeder from the digger. One lad was very dodgy i had to give him a belt of the back actor one day to quiten him.

we have been very lucky in that the bulls we have had since we moved to sucklers have all been very quite (possibly the most dangerous of all bulls are the quite ones) 1 AA, 1 blonde and 3 limos later and never any trouble. That said you would notice them getting very agitated when they get seprated from the main herd even it only for a few mins.

of all the cattle on the farm the recently calved cow is IMO the most dangerous. I have had a couple of close escapes over the years. I have also been pinned to a wall by one and would have been in serious trouble if my dad wasnt around. One of ou most docile milking cows bent a cubcile over tryign to get at me in a shed once, i was injecting the calf and would always get teh calf to the oppsite side of a gate or cubcile from teh cow. had to get teh tractor and sling to straighten teh cubicle afterwards.

We had one during the week she is AAX and was very agitated after her calf went under the fence into the dry cows. in fact she was dangerous and nearly flattened the fence. eventually we managed to get the calf back out to her. Seriously thinking of off loading her with calf at foot.

freedominacup

Two neighbours were almost killed by two bulls a year apart. The kicker is the bulls were full brothers, same sire and dam one year after the next. One gave plenty of warning, had been causing trouble for a while attacked a teleporter at one point. The other never a seconds trouble until he went bats**t the night before he was to go to the factory. Made bits of the pickup when the guys son drove into paddock to get between him and the bull and to allow him climb aboard. First guy was save by his herdsman, the second go the bull had at him drove him against the yard gate and the herdsman was able to drag him under the gate.

Rings and chains are vital. Harder for them to get a run at you when they have to keep their head 4ft up in the air.

redzerologhlen

yellow50HX wrote: »

my dad kept FR bulls to 2 years about 7-8 years ago, never again. there was about 10 of them in a group and they were contacnt rootign and tearing. For safety we would feed them in teh filed with a round feeder from the digger. One lad was very dodgy i had to give him a belt of the back actor one day to quiten him.

we have been very lucky in that the bulls we have had since we moved to sucklers have all been very quite (possibly the most dangerous of all bulls are the quite ones) 1 AA, 1 blonde and 3 limos later and never any trouble. That said you would notice them getting very agitated when they get seprated from the main herd even it only for a few mins.

of all the cattle on the farm the recently calved cow is IMO the most dangerous. I have had a couple of close escapes over the years. I have also been pinned to a wall by one and would have been in serious trouble if my dad wasnt around. One of ou most docile milking cows bent a cubcile over tryign to get at me in a shed once, i was injecting the calf and would always get teh calf to the oppsite side of a gate or cubcile from teh cow. had to get teh tractor and sling to straighten teh cubicle afterwards.

We had one during the week she is AAX and was very agitated after her calf went under the fence into the dry cows. in fact she was dangerous and nearly flattened the fence. eventually we managed to get the calf back out to her. Seriously thinking of off loading her with calf at foot.

I agree about the cows. Have never had a bull charge here but like you have had a couple of close shaves with fresh calved cows. Blood tested 5 of of them yesterday and will be glad to see the back of them. Dangerous articles to have around the place.

vanderbadger

factories must have a skip full with bullrings and chains, had a ch bull that got wicked a couple of years ago, i couldnt get into field with him, went down in tractor one evening and he started pucking the wheel, the fecker followed the tractor all the way back into the yard. got some fright from the carry on of him, locked him into yard and send him off to factory

bogman_bass

That's the thing about an a.i. Straw - it can't pin you against the wall!

bogman_bass

That's the thing about an a.i. Straw - it can't pin you against the wall!

pakalasa

Temple Grandin has always said that a bucket reared calf will be the most dangerous off all. Kinda ties in with everything said here about Friesians, Jersey etc. The calf reared under a cow doesnt see you as a threat.It knows you're not part of his kind. I know they can all be dangerous but dairy bulls are worst of all.

"To further reduce the danger, dairies that use bulls should consider raising bull calves on a nurse cow. Raising bull calves on a nurse cow will imprint them more strongly to their own kind and further reduce the tendency to attack."
http://www.grandin.com/behaviour/principles/preventing.bull.accidents.html

blackdog1

I always find the quiet bull more dangerous than the mad lad..simple reason you take no risks with the angry one but always are stupid around the quite one and love telling people who come into the yard what a grand fella he is..:(

Bizzum

bogman_bass wrote: »

That's the thing about an a.i. Straw - it can't pin you against the wall!

Some of the AI men can be fairly saucy though! :-)

case 956

freedominacup wrote: »

Two neighbours were almost killed by two bulls a year apart. The kicker is the bulls were full brothers, same sire and dam one year after the next. One gave plenty of warning, had been causing trouble for a while attacked a teleporter at one point. The other never a seconds trouble until he went bats**t the night before he was to go to the factory. Made bits of the pickup when the guys son drove into paddock to get between him and the bull and to allow him climb aboard. First guy was save by his herdsman, the second go the bull had at him drove him against the yard gate and the herdsman was able to drag him under the gate.

Rings and chains are vital. Harder for them to get a run at you when they have to keep their head 4ft up in the air.

I have too bulls at present a friesian and hereford, 1st year in milk and bought the friesian and never ever witnessed a bull as aggresive as him, he is just pue mad bastxxd, was with the heifers til last week and you could not herd them unless you had jeep or tractor, when removed from heifers in the shed and now is been fattened but crazy motha f..ker. lord knows how he be loaded, and as putting a chain in his nose you cant get near him without him making a dive at you, MAD BULL = CHOP:D

mf240

Friesans are loaded with testosterone that why they are so randy jerseys are the same wicked fukers aswell.

Give me a big auld harmless whitehead any day.

whelan1

mf240 wrote: »

Friesans are loaded with testosterone that why they are so randy jerseys are the same wicked fukers aswell.

Give me a big auld harmless whitehead any day.

i would be hopeful that all bulls are loaded with testosterone

Kovu

yellow50HX wrote: »

my dad kept FR bulls to 2 years about 7-8 years ago, never again. there was about 10 of them in a group and they were contacnt rootign and tearing. For safety we would feed them in teh filed with a round feeder from the digger. One lad was very dodgy i had to give him a belt of the back actor one day to quiten him.

we have been very lucky in that the bulls we have had since we moved to sucklers have all been very quite (possibly the most dangerous of all bulls are the quite ones) 1 AA, 1 blonde and 3 limos later and never any trouble. That said you would notice them getting very agitated when they get seprated from the main herd even it only for a few mins.

of all the cattle on the farm the recently calved cow is IMO the most dangerous. I have had a couple of close escapes over the years. I have also been pinned to a wall by one and would have been in serious trouble if my dad wasnt around. One of ou most docile milking cows bent a cubcile over tryign to get at me in a shed once, i was injecting the calf and would always get teh calf to the oppsite side of a gate or cubcile from teh cow. had to get teh tractor and sling to straighten teh cubicle afterwards.

We had one during the week she is AAX and was very agitated after her calf went under the fence into the dry cows. in fact she was dangerous and nearly flattened the fence. eventually we managed to get the calf back out to her. Seriously thinking of off loading her with calf at foot.

:eek::eek:

Don't pass on the danger! Cull her once she has the calf reared.

aidanki

pakalasa wrote: »

Temple Grandin has always said that a bucket reared calf will be the most dangerous off all. Kinda ties in with everything said here about Friesians, Jersey etc. The calf reared under a cow doesnt see you as a threat.It knows you're not part of his kind. I know they can all be dangerous but dairy bulls are worst of all.

"To further reduce the danger, dairies that use bulls should consider raising bull calves on a nurse cow. Raising bull calves on a nurse cow will imprint them more strongly to their own kind and further reduce the tendency to attack."
http://www.grandin.com/behaviour/principles/preventing.bull.accidents.html

the crossest bull we ever had was a suckler, my guess is he wasn't used enough to humans and was got afraid v easily and would subsequently attack. As a 9month old himself and another cow were in yard together, this lad turned and jumped the wall like a racehorse, 9block wall 4ft 6, he cleard it wihout touching it frount or back. Younger brother and myself were rounding up the cows one evening ~21yrs ago now, he was 7 I would have been 9 at the time and the fecker turned and chased brother. lucky he had a stick in his hand which he threw at him and that seemed to scare him away.

aidanki

yellow50HX wrote: »

my dad kept FR bulls to 2 years about 7-8 years ago, never again. there was about 10 of them in a group and they were contacnt rootign and tearing. For safety we would feed them in teh filed with a round feeder from the digger. One lad was very dodgy i had to give him a belt of the back actor one day to quiten him.

we have been very lucky in that the bulls we have had since we moved to sucklers have all been very quite (possibly the most dangerous of all bulls are the quite ones) 1 AA, 1 blonde and 3 limos later and never any trouble. That said you would notice them getting very agitated when they get seprated from the main herd even it only for a few mins.

of all the cattle on the farm the recently calved cow is IMO the most dangerous. I have had a couple of close escapes over the years. I have also been pinned to a wall by one and would have been in serious trouble if my dad wasnt around. One of ou most docile milking cows bent a cubcile over tryign to get at me in a shed once, i was injecting the calf and would always get teh calf to the oppsite side of a gate or cubcile from teh cow. had to get teh tractor and sling to straighten teh cubicle afterwards.

We had one during the week she is AAX and was very agitated after her calf went under the fence into the dry cows. in fact she was dangerous and nearly flattened the fence. eventually we managed to get the calf back out to her. Seriously thinking of off loading her with calf at foot.

saw a cow after calving attack the calf, no idea what brought that on

quadboy

aidanki wrote: »

the crossest bull we ever had was a suckler, my guess is he wasn't used enough to humans and was got afraid v easily and would subsequently attack. As a 9month old himself and another cow were in yard together, this lad turned and jumped the wall like a racehorse, 9block wall 4ft 6, he cleard it wihout touching it frount or back. Younger brother and myself were rounding up the cows one evening ~21yrs ago now, he was 7 I would have been 9 at the time and the fecker turned and chased brother. lucky he had a stick in his hand which he threw at him and that seemed to scare him away.

I was always told you have no business going near cattle witout a stick

haybob

yellow50HX wrote: »

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of all the cattle on the farm the recently calved cow is IMO the most dangerous. I have had a couple of close escapes over the years. I have also been pinned to a wall by one and would have been in serious trouble if my dad wasnt around. One of ou most docile milking cows bent a cubcile over tryign to get at me in a shed once, i was injecting the calf and would always get teh calf to the oppsite side of a gate or cubcile from teh cow. had to get teh tractor and sling to straighten teh cubicle afterwards.

I agree with you about the calved cows especially after a hard birth or twins

I don't care for saler bulls more man than bad but still

Conmaicne Mara

quadboy wrote: »

I was always told you have no business going near cattle witout a stick

Manners cost nothing.......


.......cos you can cut the stick for free

gozunda

There was a discussion on some of the dangers of young bulls / bull beef a while back

Thought this post had some good advice

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74657832&postcount=78

Odelay

Kovu Murr wrote: »

:eek::eek:

Don't pass on the danger! Cull her once she has the calf reared.

I took his post to mean that he would cull the cow and calf immediatley rather than wait for the calf to be reared.

severeoversteer

quadboy wrote: »

I was always told you have no business going near cattle witout a stick

you'd want a gun for some stock !

Western Pomise

For a start all Jerseys bulls should be squeezed.....miserable looking cattle:)...agree on pt that freshly calved cows very dangerous.

Markcheese

The number of times when I was relief milking that you'd be asked to fetch the bull (from a small shed) , or split the bull out of the cows , and told he's quiet out....

iliketomoveit

I'm told the grape is the only thing, and don't be afraid to use it.

Every morning when giving them nuts, when I'm hunting them out of the little enclosure I give them a good jag of the grape if one is hanging back or if one is looking at me.

They're starting to get bold now around this time of the year.

moy83

iliketomoveit wrote: »

I'm told the grape is the only thing, and don't be afraid to use it.

Every morning when giving them nuts, when I'm hunting them out of the little enclosure I give them a good jag of the grape if one is hanging back or if one is looking at me.

They're starting to get bold now around this time of the year.

I'm not sure about that working out too well .

Its a bit like the old fella beside us that used to keep a few suck calves , just before they would get to the bottom of the bucket of milk he would start belting them with the wavin pipe . I asked him why and he said " Ill put the frighteners on them before they put the frighteners on me "

I know what I would do to someone that was giving me a clip every morning if their back was turned !

iliketomoveit

moy83 wrote: »

I'm not sure about that working out too well .

Its a bit like the old fella beside us that used to keep a few suck calves , just before they would get to the bottom of the bucket of milk he would start belting them with the wavin pipe . I asked him why and he said " Ill put the frighteners on them before they put the frighteners on me "

I know what I would do to someone that was giving me a clip every morning if their back was turned !

I dunno, I only have two years experience doing it, but last year I used to bang the roof of a shed and hit the troughs to get them out, and I would use the grape occasionally, but it ended up in one lad hanging back and scarin the ****e out of me, the fella I'm feedin them for had to go in and get him out.

This year however, as soon as I enter the enclosure they all leave in a hurry from doing what I mentioned in the first post.

Don't get me wrong, I don't get all that aggressive and go for them, but I try and make sure they understand that being near me means a jag in the arse

whelan1

i am sure if you where getting a jag in the arse you'd be afraid too, no need for it imo

Going forward...

I can't imagine a grape hurting a bull tbf.

whelan1

Going forward... wrote: »

I can't imagine a grape hurting a bull tbf.

if he's geeting a prong in his arse every day it cant be good for his meat surely

Going forward...

Defiantly not. It's like with the Matadors, after a while you start rooting for the bull.

iliketomoveit

whelan1 wrote: »

if he's geeting a prong in his arse every day it cant be good for his meat surely

I only have to use it fairly sparingly, once they get it once they don't come near you again. I'd say I haven't got any of them more than twice.

Its like an electric fence, they don't get a shock from that everyday do they? They learn pretty fast to stay away.

iliketomoveit

Going forward... wrote: »

I can't imagine a grape hurting a bull tbf.

Wha? Of course it does, they're not made of steel

whelan1

each to their own...

yellow50HX

iliketomoveit wrote: »

I only have to use it fairly sparingly, once they get it once they don't come near you again. I'd say I haven't got any of them more than twice.

Its like an electric fence, they don't get a shock from that everyday do they? They learn pretty fast to stay away.

Faulty logic. Cattle get a shock from the fence so know what happens when go near it. They very seldom get a rattle unless they knock against it.

The problem with daking them with the pike is they will begin to associate you with pain so will become more aggressive and nervous of you. If you don't want them to go for you don't stick them with a pike and don't go into the pen.

Rovi

To be perfectly frank, I'm hard set to think of a better way of turning a bull wicked, and with a particular grievance in his heart towards me personally, than to be routinely poking him with a fork.

yellow50HX

Rovi wrote: »

To be perfectly frank, I'm hard set to think of a better way of turning a bull wicked, and with a particular grievance in his heart towards me personally, than to be routinely poking him with a fork.

Exactly, it like listening to lads cribbing about have mad cattle and blaming in the breed when they are trying to move them "them limo's are feckin crazy, like!". Then you see them roaring and screeching and belting the ground with a stick and slapping them on arse at every opportunity.

severeoversteer

yellow50HX wrote: »

Exactly, it like listening to lads cribbing about have mad cattle and blaming in the breed when they are trying to move them "them limo's are feckin crazy, like!". Then you see them roaring and screeching and belting the ground with a stick and slapping them on arse at every opportunity.

that's why theres good stockmen and bad ''animal owners'' I suppose,
I never even have a stick with me at all when moving stock, only maybe when im loading a trailer, but if you have any cop on you should be able make the animal go where you want without breakin sticks on their arse's or stickin them with the fork you'll only madden them

yellow50HX

severeoversteer wrote: »

that's why theres good stockmen and bad ''animal owners'' I suppose,
I never even have a stick with me at all when moving stock, only maybe when im loading a trailer, but if you have any cop on you should be able make the animal go where you want without breakin sticks on their arse's or stickin them with the fork you'll only madden them

Yeah, I always bring a stick with me when herding though, very useful for holding down the electric fence when getting over it. If use he stick to stop them by holding it in front of them. key to moving cattle is slow careful controlled moving he last thing you need is a load of raised tails and galloping. If I need to use it I give a clip on the ear which will move their head or on the nose. If you hit hem on the head they just close thief eyes and walk through you.