Fines in oz??

chrispym

hi looking for a bit of advice I have unpaid fines and a conviction for drink driving here in oz, im just wondering has anybody any knowledge of whether this would affect:
a) me trying to leave the country next month to go home, will i be stopped?
b) trying to get a second year visa will it get refused because of fines and conviction?

The Aussie

I mean seriously, you screwed up monumentally by driving after drinking yourself stupid, now your wondering if you have to pay it without there being consequences.

pay the fine and man up

Someone else might give you a proper answer, for me it's a Virtual shrug of the shoulders while feigning interest.

chrispym

cheers for the advice :rolleyes:

Actually i am intending on paying the fines i just dont have the money to pay them now at the minute. So i dont want to apply for my second year visa and get rejected because i owe fines but if I could stay here and earn the money to pay them back faster i would, otherwise i will go home pay the fines off then come back out on my 2nd year visa without this hanging over me the thing i want to know is will i be stopped getting on a plane or my visa get rejected for said reasons.

Also if anyone else has any unhelpful answers to my question please feel free to leave another pointless post :cool:

But those of you who are on here to talk and help people please let me know your thoughts or experiences on the matter

JustAThought

chrispym wrote: »

cheers for the advice :rolleyes:

Actually i am intending on paying the fines i just dont have the money to pay them now at the minute. So i dont want to apply for my second year visa and get rejected because i owe fines but if I could stay here and earn the money to pay them back faster i would, otherwise i will go home pay the fines off then come back out on my 2nd year visa without this hanging over me the thing i want to know is will i be stopped getting on a plane or my visa get rejected for said reasons.

Also if anyone else has any unhelpful answers to my question please feel free to leave another pointless post :cool:

But those of you who are on here to talk and help people please let me know your thoughts or experiences on the matter

Ffs.

You go drink driving.

In Australia of all places.

and wonder if they'll not notice & just have you back & welcome you into their country after you were arrested and convicted .

And on top of that you don't bother paying the fine?

Don't go leaving anything g in storage behind you whatever you do .

Pay your fine & prioritise it immediately.

If I were you I'd be sending a letter of explanation & a to the cent budget in with it ,explaining why it's not been done already.

You know they deport people for less.

And no - you can't get back in after you've been deported.


Drink driving. You really f'ed it up for yourself there. Hope the beer was worth it.

Not to mention whomever you could have killed or maimed while you were indulging your drink driving. At least it's only your own life and future you've damaged or ruined.

You mention in your other thread that the car was unregistered. AND that you have a string of other road traffic offenses.

Hardly the kind of visitor they'll be wanting to welcome back as a guest to their country.

Don't think they'll be letting you into the US either with all that on your record either.

danotroy

chrispym wrote: »

cheers for the advice :rolleyes:

Actually i am intending on paying the fines i just dont have the money to pay them now at the minute. So i dont want to apply for my second year visa and get rejected because i owe fines but if I could stay here and earn the money to pay them back faster i would, otherwise i will go home pay the fines off then come back out on my 2nd year visa without this hanging over me the thing i want to know is will i be stopped getting on a plane or my visa get rejected for said reasons.

Also if anyone else has any unhelpful answers to my question please feel free to leave another pointless post :cool:

But those of you who are on here to talk and help people please let me know your thoughts or experiences on the matter

I wont judge you more than i already have, but id say your best bet is to pay the fines asap one bad decison on a night out could get you deported if the sheriff has a warrant out for you.

JustAThought

danotroy wrote: »

I wont judge you more than i already have, but id say your best bet is to pay the fines asap one bad decison on a night out could get you deported if the sheriff has a warrant out for you.

Seems to be a string of bad decisions, offenses, broken laws & abuse of Auzzie hospitality leading to an unregistered car , drink driving conviction & now that being unpaid too.

But OP rolls eyes at people & seems to think it won't matter - o & the last fine is still unpaid despite being lucky & getting off and not going to jail.

And he's asking WHEtHER he should pay the fine. ? And thinks with all that on his record that they'll want him back?

If we had any sense we wouldn't let him back into this country.

Cushie Butterfield

Regarding the fine: Pay it ASAP.

Regarding the conviction & Visa re-read the thread you started BACK IN JANUARY 2013

Zambia

What state where you caught in OP?

Look at it this way if you don't apply for your second year visa you will not get it.

Be advised it could affect your application if you ever want to migrate.

chrispym

Zambia wrote: »

What state where you caught in OP?

Look at it this way if you don't apply for your second year visa you will not get it.

Be advised it could affect your application if you ever want to migrate.

I was caught in NSW does this have any significance??
I will be flying out of WA.

I want to have the best chance of getting a second year so i think if i go home and pay the fines and then apply i will have a better chance of getting it accepted no?

mandrake04

how much was the fine?

c0rk3r

Firstly i don't believe you deserve a second visa but how and ever heres my advice.

Apply for your second year visa now. Mine took in the region of two weeks to come through. You can apply, to my knowledge anytime into your first year visa provided you;ve completed the regional work specified. If you get it great! if not well then at least you know and can plan for it.

From your previous thread you stated you owe 3.7k. Did you incurred the additional 2.2k when you were convicted? So we may be looking at 6k in fines. If for instance you earn 1k a week you could put aside 400 each week which will take nearly 4months to pay off (forget about any more benders or a high standard of living). If you don't get that second year visa well then theres little reason to stay in oz. Just do a runner and come home. Where you'll spend most of the time psychologically abusing yourself for the utter stupidity in destroying an opportunity to work in an amazing part of the world. You'll be back on the dole, back to the doom and gloom.

Generally people on WHV's dont pay their fines as they can be easily avoided.

On a side note i know a guy who has a shed load of fines and no drivers licence. Yet hes on a 457, drives a ute and works on a Giant Excavator... He just doesnt care... well not yet.

chrispym

c0rk3r wrote: »

Firstly i don't believe you deserve a second visa but how and ever heres my advice.

Apply for your second year visa now. Mine took in the region of two weeks to come through. You can apply, to my knowledge anytime into your first year visa provided you;ve completed the regional work specified. If you get it great! if not well then at least you know and can plan for it.

From your previous thread you stated you owe 3.7k. Did you incurred the additional 2.2k when you were convicted? So we may be looking at 6k in fines. If for instance you earn 1k a week you could put aside 400 each week which will take nearly 4months to pay off (forget about any more benders or a high standard of living). If you don't get that second year visa well then theres little reason to stay in oz. Just do a runner and come home. Where you'll spend most of the time psychologically abusing yourself for the utter stupidity in destroying an opportunity to work in an amazing part of the world. You'll be back on the dole, back to the doom and gloom.

Generally people on WHV's dont pay their fines as they can be easily avoided.

On a side note i know a guy who has a shed load of fines and no drivers licence. Yet hes on a 457, drives a ute and works on a Giant Excavator... He just doesnt care... well not yet.

Yea I cant apply for my for my 2nd year visa yet as I dont have all my days done so i am working on a farm to sort that at the minute.
I intend on paying most of the fines off when i get my tax back when i leave the country i can do a early tax return then I ring up find out exactly what i owe and then pay it off, apply for 2nd year visa with no outstanding fines or debts to govt and then I will only have the drink driving conviction to stand against me getting the 2nd year visa!

statina

Pay your fines asap and don't be looking for ways to worm your way out of a situation that you have created for yourself.

The Aussie

mandrake04 wrote: »

how much was the fine?

This is a overview from January.

chrispym wrote: »

I was caught drink driving in NSW with a reading of 0.09 (mid range) PCA. Before anybody starts making judgements I know what I done was possibly the stupidest thing I've ever done.

However I need some helpful advice the car I was driving was a work mates and he had told me that it was rego'd until next year when I was pulled I was told the rego had been cancelled three months prior and that it wasn't in his name.

I was clocked at going 167kph in a 110 zone, automatic 6 month suspension of license racked up 3700 dollars in fines and have a court appearance in 2 weeks with the possibility of a further 2200 fine or 9 months imprisonment.

Chrispym, have you made any effort in the past 3 months to start making payments what so ever???

c0rk3r

chrispym wrote: »

I will only have the drink driving conviction to stand against me getting the 2nd year visa!

Most likely wont be a problem. Ive been here a year and met plenty of Irish people and the amount of nonsense / shít people get away with is unreal.

chrispym

The Aussie wrote: »

Chrispym, have you made any effort in the past 3 months to start making payments what so ever???

No because i didn't have work for 2 months and when i eventually did get work i had to survive on it and always planned on just using my tax back to pay them off. when you get nearly 6 grand worth of fines one can not simply just pay them off!!

The Aussie

So you could not go off and do your 88 days outside of Sydney while you were looking for work? (The 88 days does not have to be done in succession)

You had up enough money to survive on for 2 months but not enough to clear the slate and just work at anything until your preferred job came available.
I'm sorry but something does not compute here.

You could also have made arrangements to pay back weekly if needs be.

universe777

If you're planning on staying or coming back to Australia I'd be calling the court asap..
Explain your circumstances, they can arrange a payment plan. If you ignore it all and just don't pay the fine, the fine expires and they issue an arrest warrant. You go to jail then. I worked in the Magistrates Court here in Melbourne.

markymark21

Over $3500 worth of fines?!?

And there was me complaining in work today about my $60 jaywalking fine!

Zambia

markymark21 wrote: »

Over $3500 worth of fines?!?

And there was me complaining in work today about my $60 jaywalking fine!

Who gave you that?

mandrake04

markymark21 wrote: »

Over $3500 worth of fines?!?

And there was me complaining in work today about my $60 jaywalking fine!

nah he said was nearly $6K

chrispym wrote: »

when you get nearly 6 grand worth of fines one can not simply just pay them off!!

Solair

Similar to Ireland, they take drink driving extremely seriously.
If you don't pay the fine, you'll probably be going to jail.
So, I'd suggest you consult an Australian solicitor ASAP.

Irish, British and Australian law are quite similar in many respects. Same situation would happen in Ireland if you didn't pay a fine.

ED E

And people wonder why the irish have a bad rep abroad...

danotroy

markymark21 wrote: »

Over $3500 worth of fines?!?

And there was me complaining in work today about my $60 jaywalking fine!

Theres no such thing as "jaywalking" in Australia.

In the USA in early 20th Century, “jay” was a derogatory term for someone from the countryside. Therefore, a “jaywalker” is someone who walks around the city like a jay. i.e oblivious to traffic around him.


If you crossed the street at a signalized intersection when the man was flashing red or you crossed the road within 20m of the lights then they can fine you but if you walked across the road more than 20m from the nearest lights you should contest it.

I got done crossing mid block on Lonsdale before by a police officer, but i knew that i was in the right. I had an argument with the officer until he saw sense and decided to play good cop and let me off. I explained to him that there is no good cop about it your in the wrong he has happy to converse with me and i explained to him that i wasn't doing anything illegal but he wouldn't believe me.

mandrake04

danotroy wrote: »

I got done crossing mid block on Lonsdale before by a police officer, but i knew that i was in the right. I had an argument with the officer until he saw sense and decided to play good cop and let me off. I explained to him that there is no good cop about it your in the wrong he has happy to converse with me and i explained to him that i wasn't doing anything illegal but he wouldn't believe me.

danotroy

mandrake04 wrote: »

I've generally found cops here to be much more professional in their approach to their job than their irish counterparts. Personal opinion but i think thats coming from a town where the gardai know everyone in the town.

mandrake04

danotroy wrote: »

I've generally found cops here to be much more professional in their approach to their job than their irish counterparts. Personal opinion but i think thats coming from a town where the gardai know everyone in the town.

Cops are fine here, I know cops in NSW, VIC and one of my Irish mates packed in construction in Sydney for WAPOL.

Wife's cousin is a cop in Waverley, he is from an Irish background himself but he says the Irish generally have no respect for the law.

jackbhoy

danotroy wrote: »

Theres no such thing as "jaywalking" in Australia.

In the USA in early 20th Century, “jay” was a derogatory term for someone from the countryside. Therefore, a “jaywalker” is someone who walks around the city like a jay. i.e oblivious to traffic around him.


If you crossed the street at a signalized intersection when the man was flashing red or you crossed the road within 20m of the lights then they can fine you but if you walked across the road more than 20m from the nearest lights you should contest it.

I got done crossing mid block on Lonsdale before by a police officer, but i knew that i was in the right. I had an argument with the officer until he saw sense and decided to play good cop and let me off. I explained to him that there is no good cop about it your in the wrong he has happy to converse with me and i explained to him that i wasn't doing anything illegal but he wouldn't believe me.

Jaywalking is basically slang for crossing the road illegally and as that exists in Australia then so does jaywalking, no? Not sure what the relevance the history of jaywalking bit you pulled from wikipedia has tbh.

Its rife around Melbourne CBD, get clowns with their heads stuck in phones walking out in front of me every day as I cycle to work, not surprised pedestrian accident rates are so high here...

danotroy

jackbhoy wrote: »

Jaywalking is basically slang for crossing the road illegally and as that exists in Australia then so does jaywalking, no? Not sure what the relevance the history of jaywalking bit you pulled from wikipedia has tbh.

Its rife around Melbourne CBD, get clowns with their heads stuck in phones walking out in front of me every day as I cycle to work, not surprised pedestrian accident rates are so high here...

What exactly is illegally crossing the road?

Jaywalking is an american term. It exists in America. Not in Australia. Nowhere in Austroads does it mention jaywalking as an offence, the only fines you can get for illegal walking are when you break a red light or cross within 20m of a signalized intersection. Im just trying to inform Marky that sometimes cops fine people as they think its a bookable offense.

WhatNowForUs?

danotroy wrote: »

What exactly is illegally crossing the road?

Jaywalking is an american term. It exists in America. Not in Australia. Nowhere in Austroads does it mention jaywalking as an offence, the only fines you can get for illegal walking are when you break a red light or cross within 20m of a signalized intersection. Im just trying to inform Marky that sometimes cops fine people as they think its a bookable offense.

I'm sure the term Jaywalking is in the English dictionary at this stage. It may not be a legal term but it sure to hell let me understand what he was talking about.

danotroy

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

it sure to hell let me understand what he was talking about.

I dont undertsand what you mean here?

Solair

ED E wrote: »

And people wonder why the irish have a bad rep abroad...

They generally don't!

They've a bad rep in certain parts of Australia and in areas of the US that were hit by celtic-tigre era J1 visa holders in the US who just wanted to party hard and saw it as a summer holiday in the American 'spring break' movie tradition.

Well done lads! Thanks for wreaking havoc and making us all get tarred with the same brush.

Bear in mind that the Australians have at various times had a terrible rep in London, Spain etc due to the same kind of loutish backpackers that we send over there.

I lived in Pamplona and the stuff the Aussis got up to in that city during the festivals was really off the scale. I got horror stories from people I know working in emergency medicine there.

On the plus side, at least we seem to be exporting some of our dumbest as well as our brightest so it might all balance out!

The single biggest problem is the age profile of the people involved. They're all 18-20 something beer drinking, partying types who seem to think it's all a joke. They do exactly the same thing tearing up towns and city centres all over Ireland and Britain too.

That being said, I really think certain Aussis are somewhat over-reacting in a slightly xenophobic way. They've their own Irish/British style heavy drinking partying issues and know well how to deal with numbskulls.

The Aussie

Solair wrote: »

I lived in Pamplona and the stuff the Aussis got up to in that city during the festivals was really off the scale. I got horror stories from people I know working in emergency medicine there.

When I was there in 2002 the worst/most entertaining thing I saw each day was local red-necks waving the Basque flag and the Riot Police, anything else paled in significance, in fact everything else looked rather Sunday School.

Solair wrote: »

They generally don't!

They've a bad rep in certain parts of Australia and in areas of the US that were hit by celtic-tigre era J1 visa holders in the US who just wanted to party hard and saw it as a summer holiday in the American 'spring break' movie tradition.

Well done lads! Thanks for wreaking havoc and making us all get tarred with the same brush.

Bear in mind that the Australians have at various times had a terrible rep in London, Spain etc due to the same kind of loutish backpackers that we send over there.

On the plus side, at least we seem to be exporting some of our dumbest as well as our brightest so it might all balance out!

The single biggest problem is the age profile of the people involved. They're all 18-20 something beer drinking, partying types who seem to think it's all a joke. They do exactly the same thing tearing up towns and city centres all over Ireland and Britain too.

That being said, I really think certain Aussis are somewhat over-reacting in a slightly xenophobic way. They've their own Irish/British style heavy drinking partying issues and know well how to deal with numbskulls.

This type of stuff has beendone to death here on a monthly basis sorry, this is not really a proper Scumbag thread to be honest.
Just your garden varity [insert insult here] thread.

mel.b

My parents rent out rooms to backpackers, normally ones from Taiwan and other Asian countries. Talking to mum today she had had the sheriff knocking on the door as one of the backpackers had an unpaid fine for travelling on the train with the wrong zone ticket. The original $70ish fine ended up costing this backpacker closer to $400. So they will catch up with you in the end and if you think $6000 of fines is bad i hate to think what it will be with the late payment pentalies added to it :eek:

jackbhoy

danotroy wrote: »

What exactly is illegally crossing the road?

Jaywalking is an american term. It exists in America. Not in Australia. Nowhere in Austroads does it mention jaywalking as an offence, the only fines you can get for illegal walking are when you break a red light or cross within 20m of a signalized intersection. Im just trying to inform Marky that sometimes cops fine people as they think its a bookable offense.

You described illegal crossing yourself in your op i.e. starting to cross on red or flashing red or within 15/20m (think this varies by state) of a crossing.

I don't really understand your designation of jaywalking as an American only term that cannot be used in Australia We'd have a very limited vocabulary if we were restricted to only using English words originating from our own country. You even used the term 'signalized' in your op, this is American English.

I have never heard of Austroads but laws such as this are defined and enforced at state level anyway. If you google "jaywalking victoria" you will see Vic Police site is second result returned. There are also numerous local media stories and definitions of the term and the law as it applies to Victorians.

WhatNowForUs?

danotroy wrote: »

I dont undertsand what you mean here?

Emmmm that's happening me a lot these days. Must get more sleep.

markymark21

Zambia wrote: »

Who gave you that?

A short angry copper in Balaclava. I crossed the road (carlisle st) when the green man wasn't flashing! Wasn't a car within 200 metres of me though. I would have understood If I had dashed across a busy road - but what can ya do? Some cops are just ticket happy.

Kinda funny as well, that in that exact same area their were junkies drinking stubbies outside Coles and a couple of hookers plying their trade around the corner!

danotroy

jackbhoy wrote: »

You described illegal crossing yourself in your op i.e. starting to cross on red or flashing red or within 15/20m (think this varies by state) of a crossing.

I don't really understand your designation of jaywalking as an American only term that cannot be used in Australia We'd have a very limited vocabulary if we were restricted to only using English words originating from our own country. You even used the term 'signalized' in your op, this is American English.

I have never heard of Austroads but laws such as this are defined and enforced at state level anyway. If you google "jaywalking victoria" you will see Vic Police site is second result returned. There are also numerous local media stories and definitions of the term and the law as it applies to Victorians.

From the victorian police website

"Jaywalking fines can be issued if a pedestrian crosses a street within 15 metres of a traffic control signal and does not obey that signal."

They are wrong here it is 20m
When I think of jay walking it is mid block which everyone does in london. All I'm saying is it is not illegal in Australia to cross mid block, which cops will try to fine you for as they are not aware its not the law.

From the VICROADS website

"Midblock crossings – choosing a safe place to cross
Where there is no marked pedestrian crossing available you need to choose a safe place to cross."

danotroy

markymark21 wrote: »

A short angry copper in Balaclava. I crossed the road (carlisle st) when the green man wasn't flashing! Wasn't a car within 200 metres of me though. I would have understood If I had dashed across a busy road - but what can ya do? Some cops are just ticket happy.

Kinda funny as well, that in that exact same area their were junkies drinking stubbies outside Coles and a couple of hookers plying their trade around the corner!

The green man doesn't flash in australia. The red man does and when the red man is flashing you are not allowed to start your crossing. If you got caught this way the cop had a reason to fine you. Still common sense says he should of left you off with a stern warning but he was still acting within the law.

markymark21

danotroy wrote: »

The green man doesn't flash in australia. The red man does and when the red man is flashing you are not allowed to start your crossing. If you got caught this way the cop had a reason to fine you. Still common sense says he should of left you off with a stern warning but he was still acting within the law.

Stern warning my arse. I'm not waiting for the green man when the road is deserted.. I had to catch the train to head into work as well. Anyone else in my position would have crossed the road. In fact there was two of us who crossed and he nabbed both of us.

Anyway It doesn't matter either way. It's a pretty daft fine to get hit with. When I rang up and paid the fine the bloke on the phone thought It was hilarious!

danotroy

markymark21 wrote: »

I'm not waiting for the green man when the road is deserted.

You have to its the law. Should cars break red lights if there is nobody around?

markymark21 wrote: »

Anyone else in my position would have crossed the road.

I know i wouldn't cross. I got caught my first week here walking across a flashing red and i have not once crossed on a flashing red since.

markymark21 wrote: »

It's a pretty daft fine to get hit with.

Its not daft at all you broke a red light.

For future reference if you are in a rush walk 20m closer to the train station (away from the lights) and walk across even if there is traffic coming a cop has no right to fine you.

Cushie Butterfield

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIluoGcCKNg

con___manx1

i had a rake of parking fines and 1 speeding ticket i picked up in mount iza. i never paid a penny got d second year visa and left d country not a bother

danotroy

con___manx1 wrote: »

i had a rake of parking fines and 1 speeding ticket i picked up in mount iza. i never paid a penny got d second year visa and left d country not a bother

legend.

markymark21

Dan you sound like you're great craic!

danotroy

markymark21 wrote: »

Dan you sound like you're great craic!

?

are you getting personal because I have pointed out you actually did break the law even when i have tried to help you?

Sundy

danotroy wrote: »

You have to its the law. Should cars break red lights if there is nobody around?

Stop being stupid, that's a dumb argument.

i had a rake of parking fines and 1 speeding ticket i picked up in mount iza. i never paid a penny got d second year visa and left d country not a bother

Did you ever consider taking responsibility for your actions and perhaps learning how to use 'the' in a sentence?

danotroy

Sundy wrote: »

Stop being stupid, that's a dumb argument.

How is it a dumb argument? Where does one draw the line should cyclists and pedestrians be allowed to break the lights but cars not?

Sundy

danotroy wrote: »

How is it a dumb argument? Where does one draw the line should cyclists and pedestrians be allowed to break the lights but cars not?

Its a straw man argument.

If the same number of cars broke red lights as pedestrians did, driving would be chaos.
The consequence of cars continuously breaking red lights is far greater than if a pedestrian does it.

danotroy

Sundy wrote: »

Its a straw man argument.

If the same number of cars broke red lights as pedestrians did, driving would be chaos.
The consequence of cars continuously breaking red lights is far greater than if a pedestrian does it.

straw man argument your end too. If all pedestrians decided they were above the law, as mark has, the roads would be in chaos.

Here in vic over 30% of road traffic accidents are from pedestrians breaking red lights, or crossing within 20m of a traffic light. Of these most are fatal as a car is likely to be traveling at speed though what for them is a green light.

It is more dangerous for a pedestrian to break a red light than a car as they are such more fragile than a person inside a car if they hit another car.

I hope this isnt going off topic just trying to let people know that there is no need to use a traffic light if your in a rush especially at balaclava, just walk 20m closer to the train station and cross when their is a gap in traffic.

jackbhoy

markymark21 wrote: »

Kinda funny as well, that in that exact same area their were junkies drinking stubbies outside Coles and a couple of hookers plying their trade around the corner!

Because all they'll get out of junkies and hos is abuse, whereas in your case the copper saw a soft chance for some revenue generation.