2000 Guineas

Slattsy

If there's a thread for the 2000 already that i couldnt find maybe a Mod can merge.

All 2000 Guineas chat goes here.

Current market leaders:
Dawn Approach @ 11/10
Toronado @ 4/1
Mars @ 6/1
Cristoforo Columbo @ 7/1
Moohaajim @ 16/1
Olympic Glory @ 16/1 (going fo the French 2000)
Van Der Neer @ 16/1
George Vancouver @ 16/1
20/1 bar.

Really hard to look past Dawn Approach here, but at 11/10 he aint my kinda bet. I'd be worried at the prospect of good to firm ground for him.

Toronado won well yesterday but beat tree's

O'Brien's 2 are the ones that i'll probably back. Mars was the big hype horse last year from the stable but only had the one run. Must have had some setback but all the talk was that he was their best 2 year old. CC has some decent form in the book but has to turn the form around with DA but O'Brien's horses always improve throghout the year so it'll be interesting to see who Joseph picks. That's where my money will go.
Moohaajim wont stay and Olympic Glory is being aimed at the French 2000.
The rest have zero chance on 2 yr old form...
....But who has improved most over the winter.......

droidman123

Slattsy wrote: »

If there's a thread for the 2000 already that i couldnt find maybe a Mod can merge.

All 2000 Guineas chat goes here.

Current market leaders:
Dawn Approach @ 11/10
Toronado @ 4/1
Mars @ 6/1
Cristoforo Columbo @ 7/1
Moohaajim @ 16/1
Olympic Glory @ 16/1 (going fo the French 2000)
Van Der Neer @ 16/1
George Vancouver @ 16/1
20/1 bar.

Really hard to look past Dawn Approach here, but at 11/10 he aint my kinda bet. I'd be worried at the prospect of good to firm ground for him.

Toronado won well yesterday but beat tree's

O'Brien's 2 are the ones that i'll probably back. Mars was the big hype horse last year from the stable but only had the one run. Must have had some setback but all the talk was that he was their best 2 year old. CC has some decent form in the book but has to turn the form around with DA but O'Brien's horses always improve throghout the year so it'll be interest to see who Joseph picks. That's where my money will go.
Moohaajim wont stay and Olympic Glory is being aimed at the French 2000.
he rest have zerp chance on 2 yr old form.
But who has improved most over the winter.......

Fook....i reported this post by accident, i clicked the wrong button with my sausage fingers on my phone!!!!

droidman123

I think garswood is a cracking e/w bet @ 25/1. I will be having a bit of that.

Gringo180

Toronado for me, hopefully I can get bigger than 4/1 on the day.

Slattsy

droidman123 wrote: »

Fook....i reported this post by accident, i clicked the wrong button with my sausage fingers on my phone!!!!

**** you man, i thought we were cool!!
You got something to say, say it to my face and not behind my back like an 8 year old schoolgirl

droidman123

Slattsy wrote: »

**** you man, i thought we were cool!!
You got something to say, say it to my face and not behind my back like an 8 year old schoolgirl

Sea The Starz

Moohajim for me @20's. Will shorten if he wins the Greenham which I think he will. I think he will stay a mile but for some reason alot of people don't but I'm not sure why. By Cape Cross out of a Kingmambo mare on pedigree he'll def stay. Improved every run last year and his run in the mill reef on quick ground oozed class.

SRFC

Pedro the Great is O Briens main Guineas hope apparantly.

d-gal

SRFC wrote: »

Pedro the Great is O Briens main Guineas hope apparantly.

160/1 on betfair

SRFC

d-gal wrote: »

160/1 on betfair

Presume its not running so,pat keating gave one my mates a few horses to follow and he was one them along with some unraced 3yr olds,might back it at 160 on bf just incase it runs.

UrbanSea

Thought he was the worst of the three good Henrys they have but you never know

SRFC

He just said they think he's going to be nice this season,gave him four carat for this season will be out in 2nd half of the season ,one them he gave us ''just pretending'' placed in a maiden last week 16/1 will win a few races they think,ill post the unraced one's when they run have a load in the tracker.

Harry Angstrom

The Prix Djebel winner Style Vendome might be an interesting each way prospect at 20/1 if he makes the journey to Newmarket. His trainer is dragging his heels about running him though.

sting60

Anybody who backs Garswood to win the 2,000g throw your tickets in the bin.He has no chance because he wont stay and he is rated 9lb behind Dawn Approach.I would be shocked if he were in the first five or six.

kfallon

I'm hoping for a dry couple of weeks so we have (at worst) good ground for this otherwise my bet on Critoforo Colombo can go in the bin. The way the weather has been I'm not too confident tbh.

Mars has only run once and won a maiden, has any horse ever won a 2,000 Guineas with just one run behind his name?

UrbanSea

How anyone can back Mars is beyond me, I'd want another run in him before he goes to show me that he doesn't already need more than a mile.

Slattsy

kfallon wrote: »

I'm hoping for a dry couple of weeks so we have (at worst) good ground for this otherwise my bet on Critoforo Colombo can go in the bin. The way the weather has been I'm not too confident tbh.

Mars has only run once and won a maiden, has any horse ever won a 2,000 Guineas with just one run behind his name?

Did Footstepsinthesand have just the one run ??

UrbanSea

Na he won a gr.3 at Leopardstown I think

sting60

Kings Best had no run as a 2yr old.

UrbanSea

Just looked it up he had 4 stars before the Guineas 3 at 2

the groutch

betfair prices suggest Andre Fabre's Intello might be getting supplemented

Slattsy

Anyone know the current ground description?

the groutch

currently GOOD
about 2mm of rain due today, sunny Tues-Thurs, overcast friday, another 1mm of rain on Saturday.
likely to be Good, Good to Firm in places on the day imo.

Slattsy

If its good to firm i'll be taking on Dawn Approach with Cristoforo. He'll love the fast ground.

the groutch

14 left in the race

Dawn Approach
Toronado
Mars
Cristoforo Colombo
Garswood
George Vancouver
Van Der Neer
Moohaajim
Kyllachy Rise
Leitir Mor
Lines Of Battle
Correspondant
Don't Bother Me
Glory Awaits

kfallon

Anyone who had a nibble on Pedro after the info on page 1 has done their lolly!

Hope it was small bets only

Slattsy

kfallon wrote: »

Anyone who had a nibble on Pedro after the info on page 1 has done their lolly!

Hope it was small bets only

:rolleyes:

Colonel Sanders

kfallon wrote: »

Anyone who had a nibble on Pedro after the info on page 1 has done their lolly!

Hope it was small bets only

SRFC has 2 grand each way

tommyombomb

Hope the rain stars to fall hard. have €400 on D.Approach which is a pretty large bet for me. if it stays dry for the next few days i think i will be either backing Toranado or else CC to give a bit cover for D.Approach.

UrbanSea

Would like to see Don't Bother Me run a big race, trained down the road from me and locally owned

SRFC

Dawn approach will not be in the first 3 lads,Max win and place lay cant have him at all hope the mugs plow into him so I can lay him short,Early two year old beat the likes of LEITIR MOR and DESIGNS ON ROME,two donkeys who wouldnt get within a mile of a decent guineas winner.

droidman123

SRFC wrote: »

Dawn approach will not be in the first 3 lads,Max win and place lay cant have him at all hope the mugs plow into him so I can lay him short,Early two year old beat the likes of LEITIR MOR and DESIGNS ON ROME,two donkeys who wouldnt get within a mile of a decent guineas winner.

Now now lad....remember simonsig crazy comment to make.

SRFC

droidman123 wrote: »

Now now lad....remember simonsig crazy comment to make.

I didnt go broke laying a horse at 1.7 mate dont be worrying about my simonsig lays,


This thing is a joke of a price and I'll be laying accordingly backers are very brave lumping on this thing,its form is not great and I doubt he's improved that much being how prococious he was,the others will have matured over the winter and will be different animals,even if I only had the hannon horse running for me I'd be doing ok but I've him and a few more decent ones,DA hasnt even had a run yet,St nic couldnt get beat in this race remember

droidman123

SRFC wrote: »

I didnt go broke laying a horse at 1.7 mate dont be worrying about my simonsig lays,


This thing is a joke of a price and I'll be laying accordingly backers are very brave lumping on this thing,its form is not great and I doubt he's improved that much being how prococious he was,the others will have matured over the winter and will be different animals,even if I only had the hannon horse running for me I'd be doing ok but I've him and a few more decent ones,DA hasnt even had a run yet,St nic couldnt get beat in this race remember

I won't be backing dawn approach myself but to make such a bold statement is a bit crazy IMO.

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

How anyone can back Mars is beyond me, I'd want another run in him before he goes to show me that he doesn't already need more than a mile.

I'll be backing either him or Cristoforo Colombo for a bit of value, if Mars turns up on the day and the jockey booking looks confident I'll probably go with him. He's shown some brilliance in the way he won his maiden and in the high regard he was held in the pecking order at Ballydoyle as a 2yo. Horses can win the guineas off a single two year old start, Golan ran once as a two year old and went straight to the guineas. A few decades ago horses didn't win the guineas without a prep race and now it's become the norm, with all O'Brien 2,000 winners winning it on their first run of the season.

Of the rest, Dawn Approach looks to be in rude health and nailed on to win, with Toronado almost certain to place.

SRFC

droidman123 wrote: »

I won't be backing dawn approach myself but to make such a bold statement is a bit crazy IMO.

We'll soon see,time will tell as they say I cant wait to get stuck into this not laying thousands or anything but Ill be taking it on for a few hundred anyways price depending.

jimjamcos

I wouldn't back DA myself at current odds. On a line through Olympic Glory, Hannon and Hughes have to be confident they have his measure with Tornado. Bolger is bullish and why wouldn't he be when the horse is unbeaten but no way would I play at those odds with so many unexposed types in field and a fav who was by the trainers own admission very forward last year.

Gringo180

When do they go NRNB in Paddy Powers, bit of a joke that they haven't already with only 4 days to go to the race :rolleyes:

sting60

tommyombomb wrote: »

Hope the rain stars to fall hard. have €400 on D.Approach which is a pretty large bet for me. if it stays dry for the next few days i think i will be either backing Toranado or else CC to give a bit cover for D.Approach.

Wait at the bookies window for collection.

UrbanSea

tryfix wrote: »

I'll be backing either him or Cristoforo Colombo for a bit of value, if Mars turns up on the day and the jockey booking looks confident I'll probably go with him. He's shown some brilliance in the way he won his maiden and in the high regard he was held in the pecking order at Ballydoyle as a 2yo. Horses can win the guineas off a single two year old start, Golan ran once as a two year old and went straight to the guineas. A few decades ago horses didn't win the guineas without a prep race and now it's become the norm, with all O'Brien 2,000 winners winning it on their first run of the season.

Of the rest, Dawn Approach looks to be in rude health and nailed on to win, with Toronado almost certain to place.

You misunderstood me, lack of a run doesn't worry me I'd be more worried that he already wants more than a mile, and I'd rather if he had ran over a mile this season. It's that rather than fitness

Gringo180 wrote: »

When do they go NRNB in Paddy Powers, bit of a joke that they haven't already with only 4 days to go to the race :rolleyes:

Something that annoys me is the stick PP get when every bookie does it. It'll go NRNB after the final decs

Slattsy

Bet365 have been NRNB for days now.

UrbanSea

Slattsy wrote: »

Bet365 have been NRNB for days now.

Yeah, the only one. Also shows that they are joint best priced on a single horse, Don't Bother Me at 100/1. Whereas PP are best price on 5 of the first 6

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

You misunderstood me, lack of a run doesn't worry me I'd be more worried that he already wants more than a mile, and I'd rather if he had ran over a mile this season. It's that rather than fitness

Fair enough. Would they be running him in this if he hadn't the pace? The hype would be much more easily maintained by a showboating win in a soft Derby trial if he was just a stayer and only destined for a staying on Guineas performance?

Dawn Approach will make it a real test of stamina, and keep lengthening towards the line. He'll take some catching and Bolger is always on target and careful with his 2,000 guineas runners, so Dawn Approach will be spot on to make the race a test of stamina.

kfallon

tryfix wrote: »

Horses can win the guineas off a single two year old start, Golan ran once as a two year old and went straight to the guineas.

I had a feeling there was one and I couldn't think of it, cheers!

klairondavis

SRFC wrote: »

I didnt go broke laying a horse at 1.7 mate dont be worrying about my simonsig lays,


This thing is a joke of a price and I'll be laying accordingly backers are very brave lumping on this thing,its form is not great and I doubt he's improved that much being how prococious he was,the others will have matured over the winter and will be different animals,even if I only had the hannon horse running for me I'd be doing ok but I've him and a few more decent ones,DA hasnt even had a run yet,St nic couldnt get beat in this race remember

St Nick was never going to be a miler. His breeding is all middle distances.

Dawn Approach is bred to be a miler.

SRFC

klairondavis wrote: »

St Nick was never going to be a miler. His breeding is all middle distances.

Dawn Approach is bred to be a miler.

How much did you win laying him at even money? that must be a record for vintage after timing 3 years later :rolleyes: Didnt look too slow winning the Racing post over a mile.

UrbanSea

SRFC wrote: »

How much did you win laying him at even money? that must be a record for vintage after timing 3 years later :rolleyes: Didnt look too slow winning the Racing post over a mile.

Because the racing post is a good indicator for future milers

SRFC

UrbanSea wrote: »

Because the racing post is a good indicator for future milers

I didnt say it was,his comment about him not being a miler is easy to say in hindsight,showed plenty of speed for a mile in the racing post that is fact.

klairondavis

SRFC wrote: »

How much did you win laying him at even money? that must be a record for vintage after timing 3 years later :rolleyes: Didnt look too slow winning the Racing post over a mile.

Who said anything about backing or laying?

Simple facts. St Nick's pedigree screamed middle distances. Dawn Approach's dam never raced beyond a mile.

Good luck place laying him but personally think that's daft. Whatever about him winning the race it's hard to see him finishing outside the first three.

UrbanSea

I was keen to take him on before the race and it's not after timing I was adamant on here. But in fairness how many horses that win over a mile at two go on to be milers at three plus

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

I was keen to take him on before the race and it's not after timing I was adamant on here. But in fairness how many horses that win over a mile at two go on to be milers at three plus

Three out of the last four 2,000 guineas winners Camelot, Frankel, Sea the Stars and two out the last four 1,000 guineas winners with the others having not tried 8f but having won easily over 7f at two.

But, yeah the Racing Post Trophy isn't exactly a guineas trial and Camelot won a very poor Guineas.