American 767 and US Airways 767

Fabio

Hi everyone,

I've been looking at the threads about the Aer Lingus introduction of the 757 but at the moment am trying my best to avoid flying on one transatlantic!

I have to go on a research trip to Atlanta in May and both American Airlines and US Airways are my options for the particular dates I need (May 4 - 18).

They both fly 767s across the pond (from where I connect in either Chicago for American or Phily for US Airways to Atlanta).

Has anybody experience of ecoonomy class on a 767 across the pond with either of these airlines? Price and times are very similar so the decision is based on experiences anyone has here!

Thanks a mill!

novarock

Ive done the 757 transatlantic a couple of times, and across America a few times. All with United, was a great flight. Any particular reasons?

Preset No.3

Something wrong with Delta direct?

In fact, theres nothing wrong with an EI 757, its all about the service and Continental/United made the 75 famous for the TA routes. Ive gone TA on a 75, I dont see what peoples problems are with them.

AVOID AVOID AVOID US AIRWAYS!!!!!!! Ive flown biz class with US, and would rate EI economy better! American wouldnt be far behind either, especially domestic.

Fabio

I'd find myself a little clustrophic on a 757 for that amount of time. I think. I've flown on a 757 before to Riga and it was fine for that but I wouldn't mind being able to stretch out on the transatlantic flight.

Delta direct would be great but it works out quite a bit more expensive...

basill

You won't get a 757 from EI across the pond until later this year at the earliest.

Stinicker

Fabio wrote: »

Hi everyone,

I've been looking at the threads about the Aer Lingus introduction of the 757 but at the moment am trying my best to avoid flying on one transatlantic!

I have to go on a research trip to Atlanta in May and both American Airlines and US Airways are my options for the particular dates I need (May 4 - 18).

They both fly 767s across the pond (from where I connect in either Chicago for American or Phily for US Airways to Atlanta).

Has anybody experience of ecoonomy class on a 767 across the pond with either of these airlines? Price and times are very similar so the decision is based on experiences anyone has here!

Thanks a mill!

Fabio wrote: »

I'd find myself a little clustrophic on a 757 for that amount of time. I think. I've flown on a 757 before to Riga and it was fine for that but I wouldn't mind being able to stretch out on the transatlantic flight.

Delta direct would be great but it works out quite a bit more expensive...

I think you are a little mixed up, a Boeing 757 is a single aisle aircraft with 3-3 seating in economy wheras the Boeing 767 is twin aisle widebody jet with 2-3-2 seating in economy. The Boeing 767 would be more spacious than the 757 and have more passengers.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Delta_Airlines/Delta_Airlines_Boeing_767-300_D_New.php

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Airlines_Boeing_757-200_Flat.php

You could alternatively fly with Aer Lingus to either New York or Boston on the A330 and connect with JetBlue onwards using their codeshare instead.

Preset No.3

Stinicker wrote: »

I think you are a little mixed up, a Boeing 757 is a single aisle aircraft with 3-3 seating in economy wheras the Boeing 767 is twin aisle widebody jet with 2-3-2 seating in economy. The Boeing 767 would be more spacious than the 757 and have more passengers.

Well thats a bit patronising! :mad:

Fabio

Stinicker wrote: »

I think you are a little mixed up, a Boeing 757 is a single aisle aircraft with 3-3 seating in economy wheras the Boeing 767 is twin aisle widebody jet with 2-3-2 seating in economy. The Boeing 767 would be more spacious than the 757 and have more passengers.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Delta_Airlines/Delta_Airlines_Boeing_767-300_D_New.php

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Airlines_Boeing_757-200_Flat.php

You could alternatively fly with Aer Lingus to either New York or Boston on the A330 and connect with JetBlue onwards using their codeshare instead.

Not mixed up at all

I would rather not fly on the 757.

I would be happy to fly on the 767 for the reasons you give above.

However, all I am wondering is, is there much difference between US Airways and American Airlines from Dublin?

Tenger

Fabio wrote: »

...However, all I am wondering is, is there much difference between US Airways and American Airlines from Dublin?

Both have bad reps for service, US being the worst offender.

Preset No.3

Fabio wrote: »

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However, all I am wondering is, is there much difference between US Airways and American Airlines from Dublin?

I refer you to my post above again!

brandon_flowers

Tenger wrote: »

Both have bad reps for service, US being the worst offender.

Have to agree here. In the 12 segments I have used US they are just the pits when it comes to service.

The poor crew are all well over 50 going through the motions who need to keep working until they are 65 to receive pensions. Americans eh!

Go with EI through ORD and it will be an A330.

Fabio

That doesnt sound too good! But then the price is a good deal cheaper. Anyone ever flown on a 767? It's one aircraft I've never been on!

kinvara64

From personal experience, I flew with US Airways and found their service terrible! Between poor staff, delays and switching planes due to technical faults, it seems that anything that could go wrong DID!

I've got no satisfacition yet. I really would advise anyone to avoid US Airways. Aer Lingus for me have always been good to fly with and I choose them for my upcoming trip to the states in September.

I hope this helps with you decision :-)

Skuxx

Fabio wrote: »

That doesnt sound too good! But then the price is a good deal cheaper. Anyone ever flown on a 767? It's one aircraft I've never been on!

I flew on one last summer, Newark to Heathrow with BA, and I have to say it was great! Very comfortable indeed!

markpb

I've flown TA with Aer Lingus, Virgin, Delta, American and US and found all the American carriers to be pretty poor with US being marginally better than the rest. In general you can expect old and uncomfortable aircraft, mediocre food, staff who are either okay or below and, if anything goes wrong, even if its entirely their fault, you can expect to be treated like ****. On the other hand, European carriers are usually at least twice the price so it all depends on your priorities.

The US 767 is an average plane, leg room isn't great even in the emergency exit aisles. If you decide to stand up to stretch your legs, you'll get a warning from the crew about congregating in the aisles being forbidden for security reasons. They'll charge you $50 to reserve an emergency exit aisle seat but if you wait until you can check in online (24 hours before departure), you can reserve it free of charge if its not already gone.

It's located in row 12 behind the toilets (on the sides) or behind the galley (in the centre). Since there's a bulkhead in front of you, there's no extra leg room over a standard seat. If you choose a seat on the sides, you won't be able to watch the IFE but that's okay because it's a shared TV for the entire plane and is usually showing something awful/bland anyway.

FWIW I thought Chicago ORD was an awful airport, Philly is much, much better for transfers.

Fabio

There is a possibility that I may be able to fly Aer Lingus depending on what I can swing at work with regard to dates. We'll see.

Is ORD really that bad for changing planes? It seems my current choices are either to put up with a crappy airline (US) or a crappy airport (ORD)!

markpb

Fabio wrote: »

There is a possibility that I may be able to fly Aer Lingus depending on what I can swing at work with regard to dates. We'll see.

If it was me and someone else was paying I'd push really hard for Aer Lingus. It's not that they're great (I found them average) but they're infinitely better than the American carriers and pre-clearance in Dublin is a blessing if you're transferring (which puts them ahead of the better European carriers).

Preset No.3

You want cheap, but you dont want 757, and despite 3 or 4 people saying avoid you are still looking at US Airways. You really want your cake and eat it too!!

Take the US airways flight, then come back to us after the trip and tell us we were all right! When a few people slam the service of an airline, you might stop and think that they are on to something.

US Airways is shared overhead tv, and nothing on domestic routes, thats why they are cheap. Its like Ryanair, except with them you get on a newish aircraft with young hosties. US have old aircraft and older crew!

Aer Lingus, cross the pond to ORD, BOS or JFK and connect via B6.

After that, but you wont fly on it, is United to IAD or EWR and connect.

But I can tell you for the 4 times that I went TA last year, they were all with United to EWR on a 75. AVOD in all seats. It gets into EWR at 11am, connect takes an hour or so and I was at my final destination by 4pm local. You really have to weigh up all the odds.

The ****e people go on about the 757. Less that 180 pax, so much more relaxed as you are not having to deal with 300 fellow pax.

Davidth88

Not flown with American , have with US .

This was in 2005.

I know a ' little ' about aviation , know about checks etc , however the US 767 made me think twice.

Outside paint peeling off ( A LOT ), inside very very tatty , number of broken seats.

Service , very ordinary TBH

As I say this was 2005 , I thought it was a ' flash in the pan ' , however a friend was following me over 2-3 days later , got the same impression.

Of course , this does not compare to the ATA Tristar I flew back in 97 , where half the fittings fell off during take off , the heating hardly worked at the back , that truly was terrible , I thought about the troops using those crates.

murphym7

If it was me I would go direct from Heathrow with Delta on a 767. I prefer getting the conection out of the way on this side when I have the energy for it, and not wrecked after getting of a T/A flight.

brandon_flowers

I forgot to add my tuppence on the airports OP. Most US airports are pants just like their carriers. ORD was once referred to by a fellow pax as the armpit of American airports but I think that is mainly because it is just so busy all the time. Philly is no great shakes and can be a nightmare when busy also, I've passed through there 3 times unfortunately.

Did you look at BA? They use a 777 to Atlanta I think. And EI will have a flight every hour and a bit to LHR so you can minimize connection time.

murphym7

brandon_flowers wrote: »

I forgot to add my tuppence on the airports OP. Most US airports are pants just like their carriers. ORD was once referred to by a fellow pax as the armpit of American airports but I think that is mainly because it is just so busy all the time. Philly is no great shakes and can be a nightmare when busy also, I've passed through there 3 times unfortunately.

Did you look at BA? They use a 777 to Atlanta I think. And EI will have a flight every hour and a bit to LHR so you can minimize connection time.

I looked at BA for the OP but they were far more expensive than Delta in the end.

Fabio

Might be an idea for me to take Delta from Dub to Atl and then back with them through JFK (that way I fly on a 767, an MD88 and a 757).

Lots of planes to experience there!

lemansky

I went to SFO with US Airways through Philly in January. On the way out to Philly there was a delay (not their fault), and they took care of our transfer for us without an issue so I wasn't bothered as I wasn't in a rush.

The Philly to SFO flight was delayed by a grand total of twenty minutes in the end, but not after we had endured the pain of being told that it was going to be considerably longer. The crossed wires between the staff made it a more harrowing experience than it needed to be. Both flights on the way back were seamless.

Bar that incident on the way out, my experience with them was fine. I had plenty of legroom on both the TA and internal flights (321 to SFO, 320 back) and found the staff to be very friendly and the service to be excellent.

Those four flights were my only experience of them though, so maybe I just got lucky!


EDIT: Philadelphia was excellent in terms of ease of making the connection. There was plenty to see. They even had lots of rocking chairs for me to sit on

cson

I've flown internally with US a few times and had no issues whatsoever. They overbooked my return flight from LAS-ORD once and were offering accommodation + ~$100 to anyone who took a flight the next day.

Fabio

Conflicting reports abound! Thanks for chipping in with your two cents there. I do promise that woever I fly with, I will be back with a review of it!

Neither of you flew on the 767 no?

Saruman

One thing to bear in mind about Delta is that they don't have in flight-in seat entertainment unlike almost everyone else on transatlantic flights. So you are stuck with whatever movie they have on the few cabin screens they have. It's like still being in the 90's.

cson

Saruman wrote: »

One thing to bear in mind about Delta is that they don't have in flight-in seat entertainment unlike almost everyone else on transatlantic flights. So you are stuck with whatever movie they have on the few cabin screens they have. It's like still being in the 90's.

I think there's probably too much emphasis on IFE these days given the proliferation of tablets. Sit beside a powerpoint with a laptop loaded with movies and content you want to watch and you're laughing imo. You can pick up a top quality Nexus for ~€200 these days.

If you break it down fare wise; if Delta do it for €450 and Aer Lingus for €650 then I'd take the €450 and spend the difference on a tablet that I'd have forever more. Simplistic I know, but I really do think that's the way IFE is headed.

lemansky

Fabio wrote: »

Conflicting reports abound! Thanks for chipping in with your two cents there. I do promise that woever I fly with, I will be back with a review of it!

Neither of you flew on the 767 no?

I was on the 767 for the TA portion of the trip there and back. Personally I found it fine-the seats were comfortable and I had enough legroom to get my legs underneath the seat in front of me for when I wanted to stretch out!

The IFE was the usual stuff-I listened to some of their music and on the way over watched a 45 minute show that came on after generic film 2, but other than that it was book/mp3/tablet

Fabio

I actually IFE will fade out over time as smart phones and tablets take over.

Thanks for the replies so far people.

Davidth88 - L1011 Tristar? I wouldn't mind flying on one of those if I could sometime but I doubt I will ever get the chance!

roundymac

Saruman wrote: »

One thing to bear in mind about Delta is that they don't have in flight-in seat entertainment unlike almost everyone else on transatlantic flights. So you are stuck with whatever movie they have on the few cabin screens they have. It's like still being in the 90's.

Oh yes they do. I flew SNN-JFK in 2010 on a 752 and we had touch screen tv with all the movies and games that you wanted. Having said that the plane was a "bucket" and the cc's were nearly all OAP's. The food and the choice was excellent.

Enduro

roundymac wrote: »

Oh yes they do. I flew SNN-JFK in 2010 on a 752 and we had touch screen tv with all the movies and games that you wanted. Having said that the plane was a "bucket" and the cc's were nearly all OAP's. The food and the choice was excellent.

I flew Delta to Atlanta in December on a 767, and the IFE was excellent. In-seat touchscreen with an excellent range of movies.

The Delta 757 on the return, but from JFK rather than Atlanta, wasn't as good. Same basic IFE system, but the range of options available was only about 1/3 the size as on the 767.

Davidth88

Fabio wrote: »

Davidth88 - L1011 Tristar? I wouldn't mind flying on one of those if I could sometime but I doubt I will ever get the chance!

Hi

I am old enough to have flown on a number of TriStars ( yes L1011 )

Delta
BA ( Paris and back )
ATA

Also flown on a World Airlines DC10 , that was also an old crate as well.

The ATA one was truly horrible, stopping at Gander for gas ( nice ice cream ) , coming back they figured they would be able to go direct , then another aircraft went tech and they filled our flight to the gunnels , so we had to stop again grrrrrrrrrrr.

Saruman

cson wrote: »

I think there's probably too much emphasis on IFE these days given the proliferation of tablets. Sit beside a powerpoint with a laptop loaded with movies and content you want to watch and you're laughing imo. You can pick up a top quality Nexus for ~€200 these days.

If you break it down fare wise; if Delta do it for €450 and Aer Lingus for €650 then I'd take the €450 and spend the difference on a tablet that I'd have forever more. Simplistic I know, but I really do think that's the way IFE is headed.

That's fine if you are on your own with a tablet but what if you have kids (I don't)? Are you going to buy tablets for them too?
Also, there are flights that are too long for your tablet battery.
Not to mention that airlines often show movies that are still in theatres.
There can never be too much emphasis on IFE.

Enduro, I also flew Delta in December to Atlanta and there was no IFE. There was no physical way for me to get there without flying Delta, unless I first flew to another US city and got a domestic flight.
I knew ahead of time that there would be no IFE and bought a Galaxy note 10.1 and loaded it with stuff to watch as cson said
This was also not the first time I have flown Delta and I have never had IFE with them.

Out of curiosity, I just went to book a flight to Atlanta for this Saturday to take a look because their site shows you what facilities are there.
Sure enough, there is NO IFE in economy or economy comfort. Only business and above. That's the direct flight now. Another option is a stopover in JFK and that does have IFE and Wi-Fi so it must be just direct Atlanta flights that are low on IFE and if you had it in December, you must have got lucky and they nicked a plane from one of their other routes.

I have nothing bad to say about delta other than that IFE issue. In fact they bumped me up to economy comfort for free on the way home

Fabio

Ice cream in Gander! Brilliant! Wouldn't mind a flight in an MD-11 either actually.

Saruman - I didn't even think of the issue of IFE with families involved etc. That is a whole different issue really and puts a new perspective on it foir me!

I don't have a family but if I did I'd want them to be able to sit down and be happy for the few hours on the plane and if IFE helped with that then...

Enduro

Saruman wrote: »

TAnother option is a stopover in JFK and that does have IFE and Wi-Fi so it must be just direct Atlanta flights that are low on IFE and if you had it in December, you must have got lucky and they nicked a plane from one of their other routes.

I have nothing bad to say about delta other than that IFE issue. In fact they bumped me up to economy comfort for free on the way home

I could well have been lucky I suppose! I've no idea. Was connecting to Phoenix out and back, with a 757 from Atlanta to Phoenix, and a 737 from Phoenix to JFK. Those domestics flights also had in-seat IFE, but it wasn't free, unlike the TA flights, so I didn't bother with it.

In fairness to them, I've always found Delta to be very good to deal with. Friendly and professional CC and ground staff. I also had one outstanding experience with them 2 years ago when I had flights booked and paid for to Quito from Dublin, but I broke my leg 2 weeks before the trip (and stupidly hadn't bought travel insurance at that point). I knew I had non-refundable tickets, but rang and asked if they could do anything for me. They agreed to let me use the payment to book any other flights with them if I faxed them a note from the hospital and just let them know what new flights I'd like. When I rang them to change to another set of flights they then simply agreed to refund the full cost to me. That was customer service way beyond what I was expecting, and way beyond anything I was legally entitled to.

Saruman

Yeah they do seem to have good customer service. I was delayed once, as in my initial flight was delayed due to bad weather but they automatically booked me on the next available flight, redirected my luggage and by the time I arrived in Atlanta, our boarding passes for the new flight were waiting for us.

aaronm13

Delta fly an Airbus A320 to Atlanta during peak season and these do have a great IFE, they did when I got it in September anyway. I was on a Delta 767 last year too and it was a good plane. It felt very spacious and very comfortable to be on. Flying with United in three weeks on the 757 and not looking forward to the seat configuration and think it might feel a bit cramped but price and connection times where my major factor.

highlydebased

aaronm13 wrote: »

Delta fly an Airbus A320 to Atlanta during peak season and these do have a great IFE, they did when I got it in September anyway. I was on a Delta 767 last year too and it was a good plane. It felt very spacious and very comfortable to be on. Flying with United in three weeks on the 757 and not looking forward to the seat configuration and think it might feel a bit cramped but price and connection times where my major factor.

A330!


I like the 752- however the legroom on United at least is awful.

aaronm13

highlydebased wrote: »

A330!


I like the 752- however the legroom on United at least is awful.

Sorry typo.

Bouileb

Last flew with Delta to Atlanta in November - entertainment system was basically non-existent, consisting of a number of overhead TV screens which are hard to view depending on where you are sitting. However, my flight from NYC to Dublin had touch screen and was generally fine apart from being full to the brim of luggage and shopping bags from the Thanksgiving Day Sales!

Delta also lost my luggage along with a number of my friends (who coincidentally had taken different flights with Delta) en route to South America. They were hard to contact and slow in getting our baggage to us. We suspected that they deliberately did not put bags on the flight as the bag handlers in Ecuador told us that the same problem happened every day on that particular flight where about 1/3 of the passenger's luggage doesn't arrive.

Fabio

Delta's price has fallen so I might take their direct route out to Atl and then home through NYC. If I do that I fly on three different types of planes.

Fabio

Well here we are...I'm flying with United from Dub-Washington-Atlanta and then back from Atlanta-Newark-Dublin.

In the end the other prices had spiked so United was my only option but going on what people have said here I'm looking forward to it. AVOD and power outlets. How bad?! On the way home I have a 10 hour layover in Newark so might get to see some of NYC too.

Trip report will follow! Thanks to everyone for commenting!

Preset No.3

If you can afford it, spring the extra few quid and pay from economy plus. It more just about the leg room if you are in any way tall. But Im a big lover of United. I think their AVOD has a great selection and as I said I flew with them 4 times last year.

On your way back, well it could be a bit tricky. So your bags will be checked all the way through, but you will have your carry on bags, and theres no where to leave it in EWR. So you might consider paying for lounge access so you can leave your carry on there, and then at least get back and sit in the bar before your flight. There is a monorail that brings you to the train station, and you get to see a lot of the terminal so there will be a lot of United metal as you pass it. Train into Penn street and then connect on the subway. I think the cost is about $15.

Then you will need the subway cards for getting around. If its a 10 hour layover, you really only have about 4-5 hours in Manhattan. Remember you have to reclear security when you get back to EWR.

murphym7

If it wa sme I would not be heading to NYC with a 10 hour layover, though I am a bit of a wimp about these things!

I would get yourself into a lounge, just dont get too drunk!

Preset No.3

Ive done it, twice and never had a problem.

There is only so much cheese and crackers you can eat and beer you can drink!

Fabio

Well the trip begins tomorrow. I'll keep in mind about upgrading myself to premium economy, I'll check out the seats at the very last minute I can and try snag a good one.

Thanks for the advice all and I'll ensure to do a trip report when back!

Rascasse

Fabio wrote: »

Well the trip begins tomorrow. I'll keep in mind about upgrading myself to premium economy, I'll check out the seats at the very last minute I can and try snag a good one.

Thanks for the advice all and I'll ensure to do a trip report when back!

Why the last minute? You can check in online now and when you select your seats you can see what economy plus ones are available and purchase them.

Mikehaw

Preset No.3 wrote: »

AVOID AVOID AVOID US AIRWAYS!!!!!!! Ive flown biz class with US, and would rate EI economy better! American wouldnt be far behind either, especially domestic.

Really, you flew business class with us airways and you prefer aer lingus economy over it??

So you
- preferred not having access to a lounge
- didn't like priority boarding and preferred standing in a line with a few hundred other people
- didn't like the way higher std and quantities of food
- didn't like the unlimited drink
- didn't like better service that business class offers(lower ratio of passengers to staff)
- didn't like exiting the plane first
- didn't like the decent leg room
- didn't like the reclining seats
- didn't like the wider seats
- didn't like the quieter cabin
- didn't like not having to queue for the toilet
- didn't like the priority check in line,
- didn't like using the express security line.

The economy experience with us is pretty bad as the planes are in need of a refurb but I can't think of one single advantage of an economy flight with aer lingus over a business flight

I think you are spoofing about flying business class!!

Fabio

Well the ride over on the 757-200 was actually quite ok. The service, while not stellar by any means (especially when the ground crew didn't know Atlanta is in Georgia when quizzing me about where I am going...although they were Servisair people not United) does the job. The cabin crew don't bother you, are efficient with the distribution of the food and drinks. Contrary to what I had thought the aisle wasn't all that clogged up because of this efficiency.

Having the TV there was a bit of a blessing, although I had plenty to read anyway, but the seats could do with refitting. They must be old at this stage and the foam was almost non-existent on mine. It was like sitting on a church pew for the last hour of the flight. I took a walk to the toilets and you can kinda see the age of the plane in there, fittings that are now a bit tired and chemical flush rather than suction. They were fairly clean though. The food was quite good although there was no ice-cream at the end like I heard there is with Delta

As for the flight itself, well the take off was good and quick - I have read the 757 has a very fast climb and it showed. The cruise was very steady, no hiccups at all but when we were coming in to DC to land, the plane jerked fairly violently to the left, fell a little, and then regained its composure. I love flying but that put the nerves up me! Landed just a few minutes after that and all was fine with that.

Transferring in Dulles was easy enough to do even if I did have to use the old mobile lounge things which are like portacabins that drive you to another terminal. Dulles could do with a lick of paint though, in comparison to Atlanta Hartfield Airport it just seemed like it was dull and old with little enough character. I did get to see a 747 and an A380 parked next to one another though!

The connecting flight on a Canadair 200 regional jet was ok. The one cabin crew member had a good sense of humour and while the plane was quite small, I liked flying in it and like small jets anyway. The take off climb was very fast which was a lot of fun but about 40 minutes outside of Atlanta the ride got very very bumpy. There was a thunderstorm over Atl which we had to pass through and I felt like I was being kicked about but the off-duty flight attendant sitting next to me didn't seem to be too worried so I knew it was fine then. Arrived into Hartsfield in torrential rain but the airport had a very cool exhibition of space flight items like astronaut suits, food from the International Space Station and other bits from spacecraft back to the initial Mercury flights. It kept me entertained while I waited on my luggage to arrive on the belt. When it did arrive I noticed that it was after being knocked around a bit, bits were broken here and there but it still opens and closes and the wheels work so I went on to the hotel, a very very tired Fabio!

Preset No.3

Mikehaw wrote: »

Really, you flew business class with us airways and you prefer aer lingus economy over it??

So you
- preferred not having access to a lounge
Either way I have priority pass, so I have access to lounges wherever I want.
- didn't like priority boarding and preferred standing in a line with a few hundred other people
We all get on eventually, and I usually wait until the last as Im in the lounge.
- didn't like the way higher std and quantities of food
Obiviously you've never flown US airways biz, or you wouldnt make such a stupid statement.
- didn't like the unlimited drink
Dont drink when flying, in fact I dont drink that much anyway.
- didn't like better service that business class offers(lower ratio of passengers to staff)
HAHAHAHAHA! US AIRWAYS better service, again, youve never flown US!
- didn't like exiting the plane first
Clear immigration in dublin, and we are all off eventually. But I always book seats well in advance and generally get the exit rows.
- didn't like the decent leg room
Exit rows, never been a problem.
- didn't like the reclining seats
Not on US Airways, they are recliner seats, but not Lie Flat.
- didn't like the wider seats
Again, pretty poor on US
- didn't like the quieter cabin
No such thing really
- didn't like not having to queue for the toilet
You are getting desperate now
- didn't like the priority check in line,
Yes, you got me there!
- didn't like using the express security line.
And on that one too!


The economy experience with us is pretty bad as the planes are in need of a refurb but I can't think of one single advantage of an economy flight with aer lingus over a business flight

I think you are spoofing about flying business class!!

So there is loads of assumptions from you based on your ONE POST. From my past experience, and the one business class flight that I have taken with US Airways, I did not enjoy the experience. US Airways have the 757 to CLT, which was the flight that I took. The aircraft was old, and the cabin crew even older. The seats were the old recliner type and not lie flat, in fact it was quite uncomfortable.

Compared with Aer Lingus, and my preferences. I have gotten the exit rows near row 11, so I would be near first off after business passengers, I said I dont really drink alcohol, and Im a bit of a fussy eater. But all in all, I'd take the green any day. Now with that in mind, I havnt flown EI in over a year, as any time I have flown across the atlantic, it has been with United, and before that, Continental of which its still really the CO product coming out of EWR.

9am flight to Newark gets in at 11am local, usually a 2 hour connection to Orlando where I travel to. 4 times in 2012. United biz class on the 75 is a delight. 16 seats does make for a more personal service. When I order the steak, they make it the way I like it, and the desert service is to die for. After watching a movie, I will move the seat into lie flat mode, go asleep for an hour, and when I wake up, I will have tea or coffee, along with a freshly made warm cookie! All the things that you point out above are indeed very welcome, especially when flying domestic with fast track security. United lounges are nice, I especially love those butter crackers and cheese!

Outbound from Ireland I will pay for business class, returning I fly economy, but the fact that I have a United premier platinum card, automatically upgrades me to premium economy.

So, I stand over my comments about US airways business class V Aer Lingus economy. BUT, I mainly fly United Business and that beats them all in my book.

If it would make you feel better, I can take a few pictures of my ticket stubs (I collect them), or upload a few pictures that Ive taken from recent trips in business class. Im an aircraft nerd, I like things like that. Failing all that, maybe I just dont really care what you think, and feel you are another member who joined up just to abuse me, which honestly is a bit pathetic! But hey, each to their own!