The Superior Spider-Man Thread

Thwip!

It's quite frankly delivering with every issue so far. I'm loving what Slott has done with Ock and all the things he's set in place. I think this is his best work on Spider-Man to date so I felt like setting up a thread where all of us who are reading it could discuss it. There will be spoilers I imagine but when in doubt,

spoiler it out

Now obviously certain things can be accepted as not being spoilers now if you've clicked into here and the bulk of that is that Doctor Octopus is in Spider-Man's body and that Peter's consciousness is still alive in there (all covered in the first issue)

Also the art team is nailing the crap out of it

Bloodgulchout

Been thinking about joining a thread for Spock so you can count me in. I can't get enough of superior spider-man.

Turtyturd

Am currently a bit behind on my Weekly/Monthly Marvel titles but despite my initial doubts this has won me over. Credit to Slott that it actually reads like a completely different character, and to the art team for the fact that he even moves like a different character.

As said before Ock beating the sh*t out of Wolverine has been one of my most recent comic highlights.

mayordenis

I'm an issue or 2 behind but completely agree, its a great start, more than a start at this stage even. Also enjoyed the ultron tie in even though its a completely different creative team.

Thwip!

Turtyturd wrote: »

Am currently a bit behind on my Weekly/Monthly Marvel titles but despite my initial doubts this has won me over. Credit to Slott that it actually reads like a completely different character, and to the art team for the fact that he even moves like a different character.

As said before Ock beating the sh*t out of Wolverine has been one of my most recent comic highlights.

haha that was the highlight of Avenging for me so far (hear that it's ending ad being rebranded?)

mayordenis wrote: »

I'm an issue or 2 behind but completely agree, its a great start, more than a start at this stage even. Also enjoyed the ultron tie in even though its a completely different creative team.

The artwork was fantastic for that. Soy is amazing

CastorTroy

I'm just reading Superior. Is Avenging the same story. Like how last week's issue ended, was that to be continued in Avenging or Superior?

Thwip!

Avenging is non crucial reading tbh. More often than not you don't have to read Avenging (though this may change with the rebranding as Superior Spider-Man Team Up) but I would highly recommend you read simply because of the quality in it. Where else can you see Wolverine get his adamantium keester handed to him by the arachnid avenger? (happened a couple of months ago at this stage)



Basically Avenging is non essential but can make for a fuller reading experience (like how the above scene is somewhat referenced in the last issue)

Thwip!

End of #8 :O :O :O :O :O :O

Doc Ock knows about Peter

A Neurotic

End of #9 :O :O :O :O :O :O

Doc Ock ERASED PETER'S MEMORIES AND CONSCIOUSNESS FOREVER

Thwip!

A Neurotic wrote: »

End of #9 :O :O :O :O :O :O

Doc Ock ERASED PETER'S MEMORIES AND CONSCIOUSNESS FOREVER

I KNOW

and the art was amazing it has to be said


Have people seen the covers for upcoming Scarlet Spider and Superior Spider-Man Team Up?

KAINE IS COMING BACK TO NEW YORK

Turtyturd

Whoops clicked on this by accident....glad people are using spoilers.

Think it might be time to put down the college books and charge up the kindle for a bit of catching up. That new costume looks terrible though.

chrislad

I don't know what to make of it! I won't stop reading but my gut is paining from issues 8 and 9!

Thwip!

Stegman's art in #10 is top notch

The Golden Miller

im sickened after no.9. what a joke. the comics are decent though.

at least the green goblins back

. dont think that was a spoiler though since he appeared at the end of an earlier issue

Thwip!

With regarding the above, I have a theory that it's

Peter in the body of GG

The Golden Miller

Thwip! wrote: »

With regarding the above, I have a theory that it's

Peter in the body of GG

that would be brilliant if it were true. a very interesting battle, with so many factors involved like the characters and their crossed minds all mashed in together. although i cant see that being the case. there's no possible way i can think off, whereby peter managed to get his mind into

Osborn's brain

at any point.

nor would he have ever have blown up mj's nightclub and jeopardise her safety nor use kids as pawns no matter what, even in a grand master plan to get his body back.

although far stranger things have happened in comics ha

Thwip!

Allow me to present my theory.....It's going to be unspoilered because

A) It's a theory, I'm not writing the comic

and

Anything I mention in this will have happened up to #10 and since #11 is out then it can't really spoil anything

So here it goes

I think that Peter is in Goblin's body because everything that Gobby is doing now isn't typical of the Norman we know. Think about it out of all the spider-bots the Green Goblin could've disabled (which is shown by the Gobby kids testing it) he miraculously chooses to hack into the spider-bot patrolling Mary Jane's nightclub? If you think about it he never directly ordered the Goblin kids to bomb Mary Jane's....only to check that it wasn't notifying Ock and that the Spider- bot had successfully been hacked.. They did the bombing of their own initiative and I think that he chose to disable that particular one so Ock couldn't keep tabs on MJ. Not to mention despite it being deactivated earlier, it eventually ends up alerting SpOck, who decided to send a dispatch to the fire department which I think means that Gobby had it disabled to the extent where that it will only communicate with Ock-Spidey when there's an emergency. The Green Goblin, or Goblin King, is also in his own way stopping more crime than Ock-Spidey by pulling all these goons and henchmen off the streets and into the sewers.

Now we get to the matter of how Peter got into Norman's body. It's one of two things I imagine. Either:
A) Peter realising the end of his life was near sends the Gold Ockbot to find the nearest Superpowered person it can find to transfer his conciousness and that person happens to be Norman in his coma. Norman is one of Spidey's most formidable villains and he has the means to take Ock-Spidey down so it's a natural choice of host for Peter. We know that the Force Ghost Peter (as I call him) that has been ever present since the start of Superior wasn't really Peter, but rather the small remainder of Peter's memories before Ock wiped them out. Slott explained as much. There are holes in my theory yes, but there are holes in most comic plots to be fair

or

Julia Carpenter in her role as Madame Web transferred Peter's conciousness into Norman. Julia is in the hosp for most of the issues leading into #700 and also during. It's not beyond reason that she would be in the same hospital as Norman, and even though she's in a coma she still retains her psychic powers. I think that maybe she found Peter on the astral plane and transported him into the nearest body that could take down Superior....and that would be Norman mother flipping Osborn. I think the scene we saw of Norman leaving the hospital bed was actually taking place post #700 or right at the very end and was hinting at what was to come


So there you go...there's my crackpot theory

James Howlett

Thanks for posting that theory, it is an interesting read.

I did think it was strange that Norman Osborn was just kept in what appeared to be a regular hospital bed with little to no security. As for Peter being the Green Goblin/ King... you make an interesting case but I don't know if I'd buy that... just yet. I'd want to see more of the Goblin to see how he acts/ what he does.

The Golden Miller

i cant say what happened in issue 11 and onwards for a while because i leave the comics on standing order for a while and then go into town to pick them up every few months. so i probably wont me much use to this thread again for a while ha. but ye, as cool as parker in the mind of osborn sounds i dont think its gonna happen, one way or another. i still dont think he'd use kids as pawns no matter what.

L.S.F

Picked up ASM #700 & Avenging 15.1 and had to continue to see what happened. Read Superior weekly up to number 10(? one where he erases Peter from his brain), and loved it so far (had to cancel my subscriptions due to holidays, every penny counts!). The change in attitude and the way Ock uses Spidey is great I think but the suspense in how Peter is going to come back makes this work for me.
Will try pick up where I left off after funds come good again and continue with the series

Thwip!

It's been great so far. One of the few series I've yet to have a bad issue with

SouthTippBass

Ok, just ordered this from Amazon, Superior Spider-Man - Volume 1. Just going by what I'v read on this thread, I'm taking a chance with it :pac:

Also, is it necessary to read dying wish first?

Thwip!

Well you can, it's a great read. I assume if you've been following the thread you know what happens in Dying Wish anyway so it wont be necessary for you to read it

SouthTippBass

Thwip! wrote: »

Well you can, it's a great read. I assume if you've been following the thread you know what happens in Dying Wish anyway so it wont be necessary for you to read it

Well, yes and no. I know the ending, but thats it. Do I need to know any more than that? Only started reading comics and graphic novels very recently so theres a lot I dont know, I feel like I'v missed out on so much!

Thwip!

Hmmmm... well a good few of the opening Superior issues recap it so you'll be fine. Coincidentally there's a Hardcover (or could be soft) coming out that has Dying Wish and the opening five issues of Superior in it coming out

CastorTroy

Don't think it was posted but I see there are a few "superior" spinoffs coming:
Superior Spider-Man Team Up (Ongoing)
The Superior Foes of Spider-Man (Ongoing)
Superior Carnage (5 issues)

If they're going to be crossing over constantly, I think I'll drop it.

Thwip!

CastorTroy wrote: »

Don't think it was posted but I see there are a few "superior" spinoffs coming:
Superior Spider-Man Team Up (Ongoing)
The Superior Foes of Spider-Man (Ongoing)
Superior Carnage (5 issues)

If they're going to be crossing over constantly, I think I'll drop it.

Superior Spider-Man Team Up isn't technically new. It's Avenging Spider-Man with the numbering and title changed seeing as it can't be called Avenging Spider-Man if he was fired from the Avengers. Yost is staying on as writer.

Superior Foes mightn't necessarily cross over nearly as much as they're letting on to be honest. Seems more like a character (well characters) study book. Worth noting that they're using our very own Declan Shalvey's redesign for Boomerang in it :P. From what I'm hearing I'm imagining it to read like the Hawkeye ongoing but with villains...which would be really cool in my opinion.

And Superior Carnage (thankfully a mini, budget be damned) could be very interesting. Creative team is solid and it seems to be building upon the achievement Marvel has had with their reworking of Venom, playing on the concept on "What if a master villain tried to do to Carnage what the US did for Venom?"

L.S.F

Thwip! wrote: »

I KNOW

and the art was amazing it has to be said


Have people seen the covers for upcoming Scarlet Spider and Superior Spider-Man Team Up?

KAINE IS COMING BACK TO NEW YORK

Picked up Team Up #1 today, was good without being great, and then like most Superior titles I have read, the last page is brilliant!

Kaine was kinda where I really got into comics in the 90's so will pick up a few more issues


Also got Hunger #1, didn't really care for it if I honest

James Howlett

I just read Superior Spider-Man Team-Up #2 and Scarlet Spider #20. One word:

disappointing

which is

disappointing.

delta36

So, I went on here to see if someone had started a thread about it. Pleasantly surprised to see one.

I've just finished reading #15, and I like where it left off, but in general I'm not really sure how I feel about the whole main plot so far.

I don't think I need to put spoiler tags on as it's the second page of the thread, so while I think the whole idea of Ock's mind in Spider-Man is interesting, I'm not sure where they're going with it. I miss Peter Parker, as a character, all the quips and everything. And I think it was a fairly ignoble end to his character, if what happened in #9 was truly the end of him. That said, it's a comic book, and they can always wave a magic wand and undo stuff, which is actually the other aspect I'm curious about. I see it going two ways, one: Peter is gone forever, Ock is forever in control of him, and he's not really spider-man (in my opinion at any rate), or two: Magic wand time, it's undone, and the whole thing was..pointless.

I'm still invested in the comic, interested to see where they take a "no holds barred" Spider-Man to. And, after reading my paragraph above, I think it's possibly the pettiest gripe I've ever written! That said, I've only been reading these for a year, so I guess I'm just not used to major change ups.

CastorTroy

Going by the latest issue it seems

Everyone suspects Peter is not himself. Did his classmate/girlfriend meet Pre-Ock Peter?

James Howlett

Yes, way back in Amazing #700 there was a scene in which Peter (still alive and in Ock's body) encountered Charlie and told her what was going on. She of course didn't believe him but I do believe she was shown having remembered that scene around #4 of Superior and was starting to get suspicious.

@delta36, this superior situation won't last forever so just enjoy the ride for now. By the time Amazing Spider-Man 2 is in cinemas Peter will be back in his body...

... having said that there is speculation of Marvel doing a company style reboot along the lines of the "New 52." I know it's nothing more than speculation at present however if they did end the Marvel Universe with Superior still in Peter's body, that victory would essentially stand to Ock's name.

CastorTroy

Wasn't Marvel Now basically their reboot attempt with everything going back to Number 1?

And I think rebooting Spidey so soon after One More Day wouldn't be a great idea since that was a reboot in itself in how it brought dead characters back.

Thwip!

CastorTroy wrote: »

Going by the latest issue it seems

Everyone suspects Peter is not himself. Did his classmate/girlfriend meet Pre-Ock Peter?

Nope. He only met her when he joined the class to get his doctorate

James Howlett

CastorTroy wrote: »

Going by the latest issue it seems

Everyone suspects Peter is not himself. Did his classmate/girlfriend meet Pre-Ock Peter?

James Howlett wrote: »

Yes, way back in Amazing #700 there was a scene in which Peter (still alive and in Ock's body) encountered Carlie and told her what was going on. She of course didn't believe him but I do believe she was shown having remembered that scene around #4 of Superior and was starting to get suspicious.

Thwip! wrote: »

Nope. He only met her when he joined the class to get his doctorate

Opps, looks like I was confused there. I though CastorTroy was referring to Peter's girlfriend Carlie Cooper, didn't realize you meant the lady Ock is currently in class with.

CastorTroy

Yeah I wasn't sure if his classmate was his girlfriend. I think I remember them kissing at least though don't remember if they just remained friends

chrislad

The more this goes on, the more I'm enjoying it. I just hope the eventual split with the Avengers isn't dragged out over all 7000 Avengers comics (which are really turning me off the whole series after reading it for years)

spektorfive

CastorTroy wrote: »

Wasn't Marvel Now basically their reboot attempt with everything going back to Number 1?

And I think rebooting Spidey so soon after One More Day wouldn't be a great idea since that was a reboot in itself in how it brought dead characters back.

I don't think Marvel Now was a reboot. From what I can tell most continuity has carried over. It's more a creative reboot. Getting new people on different books (Benids off Avengers, On X-men.) With loads of X-men & Avengers books.

I would say Peter and MJ will be allowed to get back together when Peter comes back. Since Peter was "Dead" and that some how breaks the contract with Mephisto.

I'm really enjoying this story and dying to know who the Goblin King is. It seems to easy for it to be Norman.

The Golden Miller

i havnt read the last few issues yet and am about 20 issues behind on venom, but i heard venom is getting cancelled so i assume he'll feature in some spiderman arcs when that happens. which made me realise, venom actually shared peters consciousness with him for a bit, so i reckon it could be venom who blows the whole thing wide open, whether sensing its not peter or bonding with ocks mind and then realising it for sure

CastorTroy

So is Venom good or bad these days?

chrislad

Last I bothered with Venom, he was Flash Thompson doing coverts ops, but there was hints of the symbiote taking over. Granted, that was issue 2 or 3, so I'm well behind. I heard he's coming back in about 3 issues to Superior for about 4 issues.

Riddle101

I'm really loving Superior Spider-Man, but I'm kind've put off by Doc Ock being in Peter's body. I realize it's probably been done before, but if I had to choose i'd rather just have the old Peter Parker/Spider-Man with a darker personality, kind've like Daredevil during the Shadowland story.

The reason why I say this. I've always kind've loved those times when Spider-Man has been kind've darker in the past, like when Mr Negative tried to corrupt him. But most times that have always been pretty short. I've always wanted to see the writers sort of flesh out the idea of a darker version of Spider-Man without the limitations he places on himself. That would have been my choice for Superior Spider-Man. The idea of Doc Ock kind've puts me off, because he is still a villain at the end of the day and I find it hard to accept him as Spider-Man.

But I guess for that to happen, they'd have to take into account the idea of Spider-Man/Peter Parker killing criminals like Massacre and doing immoral stuff, which would kind've taint Spider-Man's character a bit. I know a few hardcore Spider-Man fans wouldn't like that one bit, and prefer to keep Peter's innocence intact.

Either way, I am enjoying the story, and I do like the Peter being in Green Goblin theory made by one of the other posters on this thread.

Also things that give me a good chuckle when reading Superior Spider-Man
1. "The Die is Cast"
2. Spider-Man being a ar*ehole to other heroes
3. The way he gets angry whenever someone touches him(Wolverine, Cap America, Thor etc)
4. Kingpin being scared of Spider-Man(Not funny but satisfying)

CastorTroy

I'm curious as to when he'll regain his body, will he remember any of what he's done and what will become of everything Ock has built like Parker Industires and his relationship with Anna. Though maybe they'll end those things somehow before Peter regains control so then it won't be so bad. Though he will still have to deal with any fallout.

L.S.F

Just seen on the Big Bang's Facebook page that there's an Amazing Spider-Man 700.2 out, what is the story with these does anyone know?

Ridley

L.S.F wrote: »

Just seen on the Big Bang's Facebook page that there's an Amazing Spider-Man 700.2 out, what is the story with these does anyone know?

Five issue flashback miniseries, I believe.

CastorTroy

Does it tie into the ongoing story?

Thwip!

Nope, they're essentially Untold Tales of Peter Parker: The Amazing Spider-Man

L.S.F

Thwip! wrote: »

Nope, they're essentially Untold Tales of Peter Parker: The Amazing Spider-Man

Worth collecting these few issues in your opinion?? Haven't bought any Superior or any comics in the last 6 months

Thwip!

L.S.F wrote: »

Worth collecting these few issues in your opinion?? Haven't bought any Superior or any comics in the last 6 months

They're not game changers by any means but they're fun and you can't say no to some Peter, plus some great covers

Nervous Wreck

Parker's back.

chrislad

I am shocked. He looks quite similar to the current Spider-Man though. It could get confusing.