The Devil,or Satan

Geomy

Do you believe in the Devil ?

If you do believe,is he watching you like God does ?

Is he powerfull ?

JimiTime

Geomy wrote: »

Do you believe in the Devil ?

Yes.

If you do believe,is he watching you like God does ?

I've no reason to believe he is omnipresent if thats what you mean?

Is he powerfull ?

I don't really know about what his limitations etc are. I know that he knows us enough to know how to appeal to our basest desires, and that brings death, so I would say thats powerful. He's a being I stay aware of, but don't really think about much. I find that there are many who almost become completely paranoid about demons etc. Every temptation they have they imagine a demon sitting on their shoulder. That, IMO is not at all healthy, neither spiritually or mentally.

vronki

JimiTime wrote: »

Yes.



I've no reason to believe he is omnipresent if thats what you mean?



I don't really know about what his limitations etc are. I know that he knows us enough to know how to appeal to our basest desires, and that brings death, so I would say that's powerful. He's a being I stay aware of, but don't really think about much. I find that there are many who almost become completely paranoid about demons etc. Every temptation they have they imagine a demon sitting on their shoulder. That, IMO is not at all healthy, neither spiritually or mentally.

When one talks of God as being, one can also talk of Satan as non-being. God is ultimate reality, so Satan finds means to draw souls towards unreality: lies. He can only pervert something Good, using our sinful human nature as a platform. Anyway, it's best to be on your guard (he first targets those who are most outstanding in the church, those who love God) but not to think about him much. Since obsession can be a discrete form of worship, which as already mentioned is tremendously unhealthy.

Prodigious

What I've always wondered is:

If the devil exists, and tempts you to do evil, why does he make you suffer when you go to hell?

Just Like Heaven

Prodigious wrote: »

What I've always wondered is:

If the devil exists, and tempts you to do evil, why does he make you suffer when you go to hell?

I've always thought that too, as Jim Jeffries said the devil would like you, you're "one of his boys"

lmaopml

Geomy wrote: »

Do you believe in the Devil ?

If you do believe,is he watching you like God does ?

Is he powerfull ?

Geomy what do you think? Do you think that bad things can be in powerful places? Or more importantly and imperative that goodness can cease to exist in some places because it's not wanted?

Well St. Paul said it best..

10 Finally, brethren, be strengthened in the Lord, and in the might of his power.
11 Put you on the armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the deceits of the devil.
12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.
13 Therefore take unto you the armour of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and to stand in all things perfect.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of justice,
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace:
16 In all things taking the shield of faith, wherewith you may be able to extinguish all the fiery darts of the most wicked one.
17 And take unto you the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit (which is the word of God)


Now, Geomy remember I am a Christian, and some are not because they either see it advertised as old fashioned and restricting, Grandma style or are not told about young people who are Christians - and some believe that this is just the way things are and should be - people are crap to eachother, the end, so lets just pass on responsibility to the State or the higher authority of any given period.... Nothing new in that!!!

I am a Christian because I believe that this is not the way things could be..and I think that's pretty cool - and I'm really glad to be a Christian and don't mind saying so..

Geomy

lmaopml wrote: »

Geomy what do you think? Do you think that bad things can be in powerful places? Or more importantly and imperative that goodness can cease to exist in some places because it's not wanted?

Well St. Paul said it best..

10 Finally, brethren, be strengthened in the Lord, and in the might of his power.
11 Put you on the armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the deceits of the devil.
12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.
13 Therefore take unto you the armour of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and to stand in all things perfect.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of justice,
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace:
16 In all things taking the shield of faith, wherewith you may be able to extinguish all the fiery darts of the most wicked one.
17 And take unto you the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit (which is the word of God)


Now, Geomy remember I am a Christian, and some are not because they either see it advertised as old fashioned and restricting, Grandma style or are not told about young people who are Christians - and some believe that this is just the way things are and should be - people are crap to eachother, the end, so lets just pass on responsibility to the State or the higher authority of any given period.... Nothing new in that!!!

I am a Christian because I believe that this is not the way things could be..and I think that's pretty cool - and I'm really glad to be a Christian and don't mind saying so..

That's cool,I'm delighted for ya.
And if its working for you,happy days.

There's too much restrictions in Christianity for me,my nature just wont click with it all...

Paganism,or Native American Indian culture appeals to me more.

I think Christ has a powerful message but the CATHOLIC church ruined it over the year's.

I find nothing wrong with a simple Christian gathering of Christians,but as for the Caths hmmmm very bad vibes from those folk.

The local Christian Church near me are devout Christians and do there own thing,their nature and makeup allows them to take on that path,the withdrawals alone would probably kill me or lead to clinical depression...

lmaopml

Geomy wrote: »

That's cool,I'm delighted for ya.
And if its working for you,happy days.

There's too much restrictions in Christianity for me,my nature just wont click with it all...

Paganism,or Native American Indian culture appeals to me more.

I think Christ has a powerful message but the CATHOLIC church ruined it over the year's.

I find nothing wrong with a simple Christian gathering of Christians,but as for the Caths hmmmm very bad vibes from those folk.

The local Christian Church near me are devout Christians and do there own thing,their nature and makeup allows them to take on that path,the withdrawals alone would probably kill me or lead to clinical depression...

I don't really understand what you mean?

Geomy

lmaopml wrote: »

I don't really understand what you mean?

You explained why you're a Christian,I explained why in a non Christian

catallus

Geomy, It might help if you tell us what your ideas on the devil, or satan, are?

Geomy

catallus wrote: »

Geomy, It might help if you tell us what your ideas on the devil, or satan, are?

The EGO Edging God Out

catallus

The idea of the ego (The "I") being the devil is a bit ludicrous, even accepting the idea of a devil or anti-god.

Freud came up with the term ego as part of his theory to describe the conscious person, with all the emotions that entails. He wrote a lot about it. Maybe your answers lie there.

lmaopml

Geomy wrote: »

You explained why you're a Christian,I explained why in a non Christian

I really only understood that you get depressed knowing there are Christians around in the world and they basically exist here? ..and you like some and not others - and have passed that particular judgement yourself.

However, you do like Christ and think he has a 'powerful message', but not one that is worthy of being really unique, despite the effect he has had on the world -

However, that's the difference between a Christian and those who face book style 'like' the 'Golden Rule' and not a whole lot more than just 'like' - and Christians are so much more...they 'do' too!


If you believe that Jesus has a powerful message, I would invite you to know him a little better and forget the world you cannot fix and start with yourself, that's the basics. I don't mind where you start, I don't care about where you start more than I care about that you even begin to start to know him......I'm just a few words typed on the internet. Get to know him if you think he has a 'powerful' message, and at least start somewhere at some time in your life do that much.

Geomy

lmaopml wrote: »

I really only understood that you get depressed knowing there are Christians around in the world and they basically exist here? ..and you like some and not others - and have passed that particular judgement yourself.

However, you do like Christ and think he has a 'powerful message', but not one that is worthy of being really unique, despite the effect he has had on the world -

However, that's the difference between a Christian and those who face book style 'like' the 'Golden Rule' and not a whole lot more than just 'like' - and Christians are so much more...they 'do' too!


If you believe that Jesus has a powerful message, I would invite you to know him a little better and forget the world you cannot fix and start with yourself, that's the basics. I don't mind where you start, I don't care about where you start more than I care about that you even begin to start to know him......I'm just a few words typed on the internet. Get to know him if you think he has a 'powerful' message, and at least start somewhere at some time in your life do that much.

I mean by becoming a Christian would be such a shock to my system I would end up clinically depressed...

All the no sex before marriage,no this no that...
Going to mass every Sunday,breaking bread with some people I don't like...

No my friend it just doesn't make sense to me I would feel trapped,if it works for you that's ok

I tried Christianity,and when the whole there's no other Church but this crap I lost interest

Sofaspud

Geomy wrote: »

Is he powerfull ?

Prodigious wrote: »

What I've always wondered is:

If the devil exists, and tempts you to do evil, why does he make you suffer when you go to hell?

I'm a non-believer, but I come in peace!

From my understanding of what the bible says, The Devil is said to be an angel that challenged God and wanted power, and therefore was sent to hell.
In the bible, Hell is simply described as "fire and brimstone" and "wailing and gnashing of teeth", so the devil is being punished as with any non-worshipping soul.
The idea of individual punishments controlled by the devil comes from the openly fictional Divine Comedy novels (Dante's Inferno, 7 circles of hell etc)

lmaopml

Geomy wrote: »

I mean by becoming a Christian would be such a shock to my system I would end up clinically depressed...

All the no sex before marriage,no this no that...
Going to mass every Sunday,breaking bread with some people I don't like...

No my friend it just doesn't make sense to me I would feel trapped,if it works for you that's ok

I tried Christianity,and when the whole there's no other Church but this crap I lost interest

Ok, I get that.

Try some time in your life, I don't care when, because it makes no difference to me, I'm just one of those unlikeable people - it took me twenty years not to cross the thresh hold of the Church without seeing people I 'don't like' - but try, just one time to sit on your own when the time comes and know that you are never alone...you are never ever alone like it or not - and you never will be, and don't forget that.

doctoremma

lmaopml wrote: »

and know that you are never alone...you are never ever alone like it or not - and you never will be, and don't forget that.

Is it me or does that sound threatening?

lmaopml

doctoremma wrote: »

Is it me or does that sound threatening?

Well when it's a cut out from the rest of the post Doctor Emma I suppose one could see it that way if they wish to present it as such? Which of course you aren't.

...it wasn't intended that way Ripley's believe it or not. It was meant in a good way, and I was being sincere - and that is the truth.

Doom

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the World he does not exist....

catallus

I laughed, for what it's worth

I've got a feeling isolation isn't what the OP is worried about, more about selecting a spiritually satisfying creed.

Geomy

I don't think the Devil or Satan is my enemy...

Most religions, beliefs and non beliefs lead to the place DEATH

An Atheist doesn't need the burden of organised religion and Gods etc
They can get along fine without all that crap...

A Theist doesn't need the burden of a life without God in their life,that's because they are secure with the faith they have.

I just love reading about Atheism,Mysticism,Mindfulness,Mysteries,Folklore,Fables,History....

I'm not the most intelligent or interesting of people but I have a lot of interests....

J C

Doom wrote: »

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the World he does not exist....

He wants to convince Christians that he doesn't exist because they have the power to rebuke him wherever they find him.
He wants the World to know that he exists ... because he wants the world to adore him (in all his manifestations) as God.

Baggio1

believe he exists ? - yes

he was one of the highest of all Angels,,, and was thrown out of Heaven by the Archangel St.Michael , 1 3rd of the angels were thrown out of Heaven along with satan, they objected to God's will and were cast out by the loyal Angels. the reason they are condemned for all time is because they KNOW/KNEW God was/is real and they have no excuse as humans do ( they have NOT seen the divine pressence till after death) for not believeing and and rebelling against God's will.

Satan wants to grab as many souls as possible to pull into hell through every type of temptation and trick... but he HATES humanity even the most innocent of a pure perosn such as a baby he hates with s fury we cant even imnagine!,, he hates us coz he can never go back to heaven,, but humanity can make it with Christs sacrificial help.

... why does he torment those he has tempted to hell?.. because he hates all humans and the saddest of all people are thos who worship him - satanists etc they suffer the most because he loves to torture them the most because of their foolishness in worshiping/serving him. - he's a trickster - his evil is beyond the worst evil we can imagine.

Christ in the gospels speaks of him as an entity of reallity - NOT as a boogie man to scare people.. in fact in the gospels he speaks far more of satan hell and sin than he does of love forgiveness and mercy...but we never hear this from all the tree hugging gang and the watery weak clergy scared stiff to mention either satan or hell.

Juza1973

Geomy wrote: »

Do you believe in the Devil ?

If you do believe,is he watching you like God does ?

Is he powerfull ?

I don't believe in him, I believe in God, but surely I do believe that he exist.

I don't really know the boundaries of its power.

vronki

Juza1973 wrote: »

I don't believe in him, I believe in God, but surely I do believe that he exist.

I don't really know the boundaries of its power.

I often ponder if even God knows his next move. Surely Gods holiness and goodness would prevent him from even allowing such evil thoughts to present themselves. Jesus says to the cursed in the last judgement: 'Depart from me you wicked, I never knew you.' - He never even understood them, or knew them? Is God even perplexed at the darkness of the human heart?

People would object to this and say God knows all, everything. He does, he understands everything he created, which is good. But a wicked heart and evil thoughts aren't his creation. There is evidence for this in scripture. In Jeremiah for example when the Israelites were sacrificing their children in the mountains, and God says that the thought of such never even entered his mind.

Doesn't it take one to know one? Maybe those souls in hell, God or those who dwell with him will never understand the intentions of such.

georgieporgy

St Teresa of Avila had an interest in this topic.

"On other occasions I saw around me a great multitude of devils, and yet I seemed to be enveloped by a great light, which prevented them from coming nearer. The fact is, I realize so clearly now how little power the devils have, if I am not fighting against God, that I am hardly afraid of them at all: for their strength is nothing unless they find souls surrendering to them and growing cowardly, in which case they do indeed show their power."

http://spiritdaily.com/teresabubbleprotection.htm

georgieporgy

And our new pope Francis also has plenty to say on the subject:

“Where there is calumny, there is Satan himself."

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-francis-calumny-is-of-the-devil#ixzz2QetEMdoW

Ken bryan

Yes I do believe in the Devil .
Yes he is watching us like God .
I believe his power comes from human weekness . If we Believe . Ie act like Christ . We have Power over him .
For the one thing the Devil cannot do is Forgive .

Ken bryan

Also hell is place of tornment . Where demons reside . Our purpose here is decide where we Belong .
This is done by actions . If we act like Christ then . We will be with Christ . If we act Evil then we will be with those spirits .
As that is where we belong . As that what we have choosen by our actions.
It often said hell is a Firery Place . Thats Ridiclous . My opionion Is the Fire . was used to decribe the Destrution of the Soul .
Which was created by God .

JoeB-

The Devil was created by God to be insane. God played a trick on the devil, and humanity.

God did this by creating the Devil knowing full well that the Devil would rise up against God, and tempt God's favorite creation, us humans. So God is ultimately responsible for the Devils actions... how can it be otherwise?, .. God chose to create the Devil, and God knew in advance what the outcome would be.


How else, other than by the Devils insanity, could it be explained how it is that the Devil saw God is all his supposed glory, and yet the Devil made a choice to go out on his own anyway. So either the Devil is insane (deliberately created so by God), or else God isn't as described in the Bible.. i.e... even if you do see God (in all his supposed glory) you may still make a rational choice to disregard him, as the devil did.


God does not come out of this well, given that he has certainly engaged in deliberate tricks on somebody.

Baked.noodle

He is a trickster alright. "Dont eat that delicious Apple I've left hanging on that marvelous looking tree", "only joking about sacrificing your children", or my favourite one, "take that you poxy fig tree." What a trick, to grant freedom and and create sin in the same breath. I don't think Satan was tricked by god, Satan refused to bow to Adam and exercise his own free will. Nevertheless, Adam ****ed over humanity so I think Satan has a point.

J C

JoeBallantine wrote: »

The Devil was created by God to be insane. God played a trick on the devil, and humanity.

God did this by creating the Devil knowing full well that the Devil would rise up against God, and tempt God's favorite creation, us humans. So God is ultimately responsible for the Devils actions... how can it be otherwise?, .. God chose to create the Devil, and God knew in advance what the outcome would be.


How else, other than by the Devils insanity, could it be explained how it is that the Devil saw God is all his supposed glory, and yet the Devil made a choice to go out on his own anyway. So either the Devil is insane (deliberately created so by God), or else God isn't as described in the Bible.. i.e... even if you do see God (in all his supposed glory) you may still make a rational choice to disregard him, as the devil did.


God does not come out of this well, given that he has certainly engaged in deliberate tricks on somebody.

God Created Lucifer as a free-willed intelligent angel ... Lucifer chose to rebel against God ... and is suffering the consequences.
God isn't responsible for the free choices of His Creation.

J C

Baked.noodle wrote: »

He is a trickster alright. "Dont eat that delicious Apple I've left hanging on that marvelous looking tree", "only joking about sacrificing your children", or my favourite one, "take that you poxy fig tree." What a trick, to grant freedom and and create sin in the same breath. I don't think Satan was tricked by god, Satan refused to bow to Adam and exercise his own free will. Nevertheless, Adam ****ed over humanity so I think Satan has a point.

Sin turned out to be the 'flip side' of freedom ... but I certainly prefer the freedom/sin alternative to being a type of 'robot' incapable of either freely loving or sinning.

J C

Geomy wrote: »

I mean by becoming a Christian would be such a shock to my system I would end up clinically depressed...

All the no sex before marriage,no this no that...
Going to mass every Sunday,breaking bread with some people I don't like...

No my friend it just doesn't make sense to me I would feel trapped,if it works for you that's ok

I tried Christianity,and when the whole there's no other Church but this crap I lost interest

... you do seem to have had a bad experience.

Becoming a Christian got rid of my depresssion ... I have great sex within marriage ... meet really interesting and loving people within Church, think loving thoughts about those who didn't/don't like me ... and most important of all I have a direct line to God via His Holy Spirit and a guarantee of being Saved for eternity in Heaven.
There is nothing I can think of, that is good for myself and my happiness, that the Christian Faith forbids ... and many blessings that it encourages and recommends.

Baked.noodle

J C wrote: »

Sin turned out to be the 'flip side' of freedom ... but I certainly prefer the freedom/sin alternative to being a type of 'robot' incapable of either freely loving or sinning.

I prefer right and wrong, with every shade of gray and all the colours of the spectrum. Too many have suffered at the hands of man for "sin". A god who is offended by his own creation is a silly god. God created the world, and permitted every kind of freedom. It is a perverse sort of freedom if the choice result in salvation or damnation.

J C

Baked.noodle wrote: »

I prefer right and wrong, with every shade of gray and all the colours of the spectrum. Too many have suffered at the hands of man for "sin". A god who is offended by his own creation is a silly god. God created the world, and permitted every kind of freedom. It is a perverse sort of freedom if the choice result in salvation or damnation.

One man's 'right' can be another man's 'wrong'.

There are degrees of sin ... but we all need Salvation irrespective of the degree of sin we commit.
... but a God who forced Salvation upon us would be a dictator.

We have the choice to love Him or to hate Him ... to choose eternal Salvation with Him ... or not.

What is wrong with God offering us choice?

Gumbi

J C wrote: »

God Created Lucifer as a free-willed intelligent angel ... Lucifer chose to rebel against God ... and is suffering the consequences.
God isn't responsible for the free choices of His Creation.

Maybe it's a different theological view, but I've heard that the main difference between humans and angels is that angels lack free will.

J C

Gumbi wrote: »

Maybe it's a different theological view, but I've heard that the main difference between humans and angels is that angels lack free will.

The main difference between Angels and Humans is that the ordinary state of Angels is as purely spiritual beings (although they can manifest physically on Earth when they are on a mission from God).
They have free will and all of the other metaphysical characteristics enjoyed by Humans such as intelligence, intellect, etc.
There is a neat summary on angels and free will here:-
http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq373.html

Baked.noodle

J C wrote: »

One man's 'right' can be another man's 'wrong'.

There are degrees of sin ... but we all need Salvation irrespective of the degree of sin we commit.
... but a God who forced Salvation upon us would be a dictator.

We have the choice to love Him or to hate Him ... to choose eternal Salvation with Him ... or not.

What is wrong with God offering us choice?

Right and wrong existed long before the commandments, or Jesus. Like every other religion, Christianity took ownership of man's moral compass. The reality of men writing texts full of rules does not prove the existence of absolute right and wrong. Is it always a "sin" to kill?

As for gods salvation, how can anybody truly love a god that would punish you for all eternity, simple for not worshiping him? Is he really that full of low self esteem?

My god just wants to enjoy himself.

Geomy

Eternity doesn't exist,so I wouldn't worry about being punished.

Eternity is a word nothing more nothing less.

I think this argument about a vengeful God has been trashed to death on these forums.

Benny_Cake

Mod note: This thread is not for debating the existence/nonexistence of God, or about how religion is all a racket. There are plenty of other places for that, including a dedicated megathread in this forum.

J C

Geomy wrote: »

Eternity doesn't exist,so I wouldn't worry about being punished.

Eternity is a word nothing more nothing less.

I think this argument about a vengeful God has been trashed to death on these forums.

The Devil is the vengeful one ... it is him and his fallen angels that makes Hell really 'hell'.
God is absent from Hell ... another reason why Hell is 'hell'.

J C

Baked.noodle wrote: »

Right and wrong existed long before the commandments, or Jesus. Like every other religion, Christianity took ownership of man's moral compass. The reality of men writing texts full of rules does not prove the existence of absolute right and wrong.

Right and wrong began with the Devil's encounter with Adam and Eve at the Fall ... up until then, goodness reigned supreme on Earth. The Devil was the one who introduced Humanity to the the tree (or system) of good and evil ... right and wrong ... virtue and sin.
Such dualism isn't present in a perfectly good place ... like Earth before the Fall ... and Heaven eternally.

Geomy

J C wrote: »

The Devil is the vengeful one ... it is him and his fallen angels that makes Hell really 'hell'.

Have you read the words of "Moonchild" by Iron Maiden ?

Look it up.

I hear now they are a Christian rock band :-D

Geomy

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Mod note: This thread is not for debating the existence/nonexistence of God, or about how religion is all a racket. There are plenty of other places for that, including a dedicated megathread in this forum.

Who's that comment aimed at ?

J C

Geomy wrote: »

Have you read the words of "Moonchild" by Iron Maiden ?

Look it up.

I hear now they are a Christian rock band :-D

Like I have said, the Devil introduced us to the seven deadly sins ... and if he can't get us that way, he'll try the seven great virtues ... just to demoralise us when we fail to be as virtuous as we claim to be!!!

That's why his system is one of both good and evil. He knows that naked evil will repulse us ... but 'sugar coat' it with some kind of 'good' ... and suddenly it become 'nice' and attractive.
... so attractive that perfect Humans who knew God personally were 'taken in' by it ... and so it continues today.

The following verses from 'Moonchild' perfectly illustrates the Devil's loveless hatred of Humanity (in contrast to the Love and forgiveness of God for those of us who ask for it ... even at the very last moment of life ... they shall not be damned ):-

'I am he the bornless one
The fallen angel watching you
Babylon, the scarlet whore
I'll infiltrate your gratitude
Don't you dare to save your son
Kill him now and save the young ones
Be the mother of a birth strangled babe
Be the devils own, Lucifer's my name


I count the heads of those unborn
The accursed ones I'll find them all
And if you die by your own hand
As a suicide you shall be damned
And if you try to save your soul
I will torment you - you shall not grow old
With every second and passing breath
You'll be so alone your soul will bleed to death ....


... For all the sins you will commit
You'll beg forgiveness and none I'll give
A web of fear shall be your coat
To clothe you in the night
A lucky escape for you young man
For I'll see you damned in endless night.'

Oh My God ... I shudder that our children are listening to this demonically-inspired stuff ... but they are ... and as Christians we have an obligation before God and our neighbour to witness to Jesus Christ's love for them ... to try and Save them ... by reassuring them that unborn children and all who repent and believe on Jesus Christ ... no matter what they have done ... and even if it is with their last breath ... will be Saved ... if they ask.
One microgramme of Jesus Christ's love will disempower all of the Devil's empty promises and empty threats.

Benny_Cake

Geomy wrote: »

Who's that comment aimed at ?

In case it wasn't obvious, everyone posting here. Another Christian - atheist bunfight isn't needed.

Geomy

J C wrote: »

Like I have said, the Devil introduced us to the seven deadly sins ... and if he can't get us that way, he'll try the seven great virtues ... just to demoralise us when we fail to be as virtuous as we claim to be!!!

That's why his system is one of both good and evil. He knows that naked evil will repulse us ... but 'sugar coat' it with some kind of 'good' ... and suddenly it become 'nice' and attractive.
... so attractive that perfect Humans who knew God personally were 'taken in' by it ... and so it continues today.

Yeah in the words of moonchild they sing about 7 angels and 7 demons battling for someone's soul.

And being dammed etc

I find all that stuff interesting,and the book of revelations etc

Geomy

Benny_Cake wrote: »

In case it wasn't obvious, everyone posting here. Another Christian - atheist bunfight isn't needed.

We'll for a start im no atheist and we're discussing Satan or the divel.

That's bound to go off course from time to time and sure I was the one who said that argument ain't cool no more...

It's been flogged to death here and over there :O

GarIT

If there is a devil is he not the good guy? I mean he doesn't judge people based on feelings they are born with and he accepts everyone into his 'kingdom' regardless of what they have done. He doesn't wish death on people for things like wearing clothes of two materials or working on a Sunday and he doesn't expect people to worship him.

Geomy

J C wrote: »

Like I have said, the Devil introduced us to the seven deadly sins ... and if he can't get us that way, he'll try the seven great virtues ... just to demoralise us when we fail to be as virtuous as we claim to be!!!

That's why his system is one of both good and evil. He knows that naked evil will repulse us ... but 'sugar coat' it with some kind of 'good' ... and suddenly it become 'nice' and attractive.
... so attractive that perfect Humans who knew God personally were 'taken in' by it ... and so it continues today.

The following verses from 'Moonchild' perfectly illustrates what I have said about the Devil's loveless hatred of Humanity (in contrast to the Love and forgiveness of God for those of us who ask for it ... even at the very last moment of life ... they shall not be damned ):-

'I count the heads of those unborn
The accursed ones I'll find them all
And if you die by your own hand
As a suicide you shall be damned
And if you try to save your soul
I will torment you - you shall not grow old
With every second and passing breath
You'll be so alone your soul will bleed to death ....


... For all the sins you will commit
You'll beg forgiveness and none I'll give
A web of fear shall be your coat
To clothe you in the night
A lucky escape for you young man
For I'll see you damned in endless night.'

I shudder that our children are listening to this demonically-inspired stuff ... but they are ... and as Christians we have an obligation before God and our neighbour to witness to Jesus Christ's love for them ... to try and Save them ... by reassuring them that unborn children and all who repent and believe on Jesus Christ ... no matter what they have done ... and even if it is with their last breath ... will be Saved.

Yet you might shudder at the thought of children listening to that but I listed to it and it resonates something inside me.