Bjj Street Fight

Stillweak

Im not for one moment encouraging or celebrating violence. I would always try to get away from such a situation and Id hope others on the forum would too.

However, has anyone ever used bjj in a street fight?

I would be interested to see what you were able to do and how it worked. Hopfully it was a self defence situation.

I ask because I have friends who are getting really good at bjj but would not expect they would be great in a fight.

cowzerp

1 on 1 v a non trained individual it would be very easy to use

A quick guillotine choke and game over, now that doesn't mean they wont totally bottle it if it comes to it.

thegreatiam

Stillweak wrote: »

Im not for one moment encouraging or celebrating violence. I would always try to get away from such a situation and Id hope others on the forum would too.

However, has anyone ever used bjj in a street fight?

I would be interested to see what you were able to do and how it worked. Hopfully it was a self defence situation.

I ask because I have friends who are getting really good at bjj but would not expect they would be great in a fight.

Can you only use BJJ in street fights if youve been trained? cos I used an arm bar in a fight at school years ago. and a head lock. that was about 20 years before id even heard of BJJ.

I also punched a guy with practically 0 knowledge of boxing or muai thai

Stillweak

Boards is full of ' what would happen if ' arguments.

Im looking for what did happen stories (facts).

pablohoney87

thegreatiam wrote: »

Can you only use BJJ in street fights if youve been trained? cos I used an arm bar in a fight at school years ago. and a head lock. that was about 20 years before id even heard of BJJ.

I also punched a guy with practically 0 knowledge of boxing or muai thai

I can safely say no Real BJJ teacher will be teaching you headlocks

Tom.D.BJJ

pablohoney87 wrote: »

I can safely say no Real BJJ teacher will be teaching you headlocks

Front headlock is a great position.

pablohoney87

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

Front headlock is a great position.

Not exactly what comes to mind when you read headlock now is it?

Stillweak

lads, dont mean to be rude but I think we are a little off topic already.

This thread is for actual real life situations that have happened. Please start another thread for bjj techniques discussion.

Please dont post unless you are telling us about a time you used bjj in a real fight.

Thanks

pablohoney87

Stillweak wrote: »

lads, dont mean to be rude but I think we are a little off topic already.

This thread is for actual real life situations that have happened. Please start another thread for bjj techniques discussion.

Thanks

Real life situation I've only been in three "Street fights" in my life.
One of which yes I ended up scrambling on the ground and heel hooked the guy. Theres my tough guy story :pac:

Stillweak

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Real life situation I've only been in three "Street fights" in my life.
One of which yes I ended up scrambling on the ground and heel hooked the guy. Theres my tough guy story :pac:

Ah its not about tough guy stories. Its about putting your training to work to defend yourself.
Its always interesting to see/hear proof that techniques can be applied for real.

Tom.D.BJJ

****, I fell for it again.

OP, You started the BJJ Foxrock and the Best BJJ player thread. This one is following a similar course.

I'm outski.

pablohoney87

Stillweak wrote: »

I ask because I have friends who are getting really good at bjj but would not expect they would be great in a fight.

Also this. Some of the best guys in the country would not strike you as someone "who would be great in a fight"

Many of the best guys are quite mild mannered intelligent guys. Joey Breslin, Jim McInerney, Barry Ogelsby, Liam Beechinor (From the one time ive talked to him). None of these guys strike you as somebody you definitely should avoid getting into a fight with.

Stillweak

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Also this. Some of the best guys in the country would not strike you as someone "who would be great in a fight"

Some of he guys Im talking about, I know them, its not just meeting them once or whatever. Good at jits, would fear for them in a fight.

Anyway, any successfull submissions on the mean streets???

pablohoney87

Stillweak wrote: »

Anyway, any successfull submissions on the mean streets???

Probably not in faiarness. Most people who have been training martial arts for any period of time where they can use it proficiently on "da streetz" has the sense not to get into a needless fight. (99.9% of fights are avoidable)
My situation involved bein hopped on in a random group attack and running with only one of them persuing. Luckily.

CIARAN_BOYLE

I'm not an expert in BJJ, to be honest the extent of my knowledge is watching a few vids and demos.

To sum up BJJ in my non expert opinion is a ground based grappling art.

First rule in a street fight imo, you don't want to be on the ground. Its too easy for someone to come into the fight and put the boot into you easily. So if a BJJ class emphasises going to ground you want to take the ground bits out of it when working self defence. Concrete is a lot harder than the mats BJJ guys train with.

All MA are useful for self defence if taught right. There may need to be a distinction between BJJ for sport and BJJ for self defence since rolling and grappling isn't a good idea. That said there are standing BJJ techniques and I would imagine BJJ looking at self defence rather than sport would focus on them.

pablohoney87

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

First rule in a street fight imo, you don't want to be on the ground. Its too easy for someone to come into the fight and put the boot into you easily.

Its nearly the same for every martial art though. Never get in a fight with more than one person. Any fight can start one on one and someone come in with a steel pipe/brick to the back of the head. Not too much different to gettin a boot on the ground.

OP how long have your mates been training that you can say theyre gettin pretty good btw?

HammerHeadGym

I'm a bouncer with a smidgen of BJJ and Judo. Against drunk opponents who have zero fight training and who don't train strength; it all works.

CIARAN_BOYLE

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Its nearly the same for every martial art though. Never get in a fight with more than one person. Any fight can start one on one and someone come in with a steel pipe/brick to the back of the head. Not too much different to gettin a boot on the ground.

OP how long have your mates been training that you can say theyre gettin pretty good btw?

Fair point. I'd personally be more worried about a boot on the ground. Perhaps thats because I've seen it happen in a fight outside a club in the early hours. Or perhaps its because it doesn't require an obvious weapon.

pablohoney87

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Fair point. I'd personally be more worried about a boot on the ground. Perhaps thats because I've seen it happen in a fight outside a club in the early hours. Or perhaps its because it doesn't require an obvious weapon.

Perhaps. General rule of thumb that, unless you have no other choice, let cooler heads prevail and dont get into a fight.

Stillweak

Gentlemen please

This is not a style vs style debate. Or what works against multiple attackers.
This is tell your bjj story. If you don't have one please don't post.

Thank you

Stillweak

pablohoney87 wrote: »

OP how long have your mates been training that you can say theyre gettin pretty good btw?

Years. I know blue , purple, brown belts.
I'm talking about lads from the club and the competitions.

pablohoney87

Stillweak wrote: »

Gentlemen please

This is not a style vs style debate. Or what works against multiple attackers.
This is tell your bjj story. If you don't have one please don't post.

Thank you

Asking has anyone ever used it in a street fight will always lead to a debate on it's effectiveness. Don't be surpised or complain if it becomes a discussion rather than a bunch of guys tell stories about how tough they are.

darced

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Stillweak

Can I not complain if my thread is taken off topic.
Could a mod request on topic posts only?
Thanks

pablohoney87

Stillweak wrote: »

Im not for one moment encouraging or celebrating violence. I would always try to get away from such a situation and Id hope others on the forum would too.

However, has anyone ever used bjj in a street fight?

I would be interested to see what you were able to do and how it worked. Hopfully it was a self defence situation.

I ask because I have friends who are getting really good at bjj but would not expect they would be great in a fight.

THIS invites debate.

Hardly off topic. But if youre asking people to tell their stories maybe you would be better off asking the guys in your local club. Probably more guys there willing to talk about it than some fellas over the internet who you don't even know whether theyre any good at BJJ.

thegreatiam

Stillweak wrote: »

on the mean streets???

Stillweak wrote: »

Good at jits, would fear for them in a fight.

Where exactly do you live that there seems to be a gang of predators lurking the mean streets looking for BJJ practitioners (only the weak ones) to face in no holds barred combat?

Stillweak wrote: »

Gentlemen please

This is not a style vs style debate. Or what works against multiple attackers.
This is tell your bjj story. If you don't have one please don't post.

Thank you

this is none of those things, this is an "i reckon most of the people I train with might be good at BJJ but cant actually fight".

Stillweak wrote: »

I ask because I have friends who are getting really good at bjj but would not expect they would be great in a fight.

there is a sub text here too

CIARAN_BOYLE

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Perhaps. General rule of thumb that, unless you have no other choice, let cooler heads prevail and dont get into a fight.

True

Stillweak wrote: »

Gentlemen please

This is not a style vs style debate. Or what works against multiple attackers.
This is tell your bjj story. If you don't have one please don't post.

Thank you

Ok I'll stay out of conversation. Thought you wanted opinions on BJJ as a Self Defence martial art rather than a sporting one.

Stillweak

thegreatiam wrote: »

Where exactly do you live that there seems to be a gang of predators lurking the mean streets looking for BJJ practitioners (only the weak ones) to face in no holds barred combat?


this is none of those things, this is an "i reckon most of the people I train with might be good at BJJ but cant actually fight".



there is a sub text here too

No sub text whatsoever. Your reading way to much into this.
If anything I have repeatedly asked for discussion apart from true life stories to stop.
Doesn't matter where I live and i never said there are gangs looking for bjj club members for fights.
Fights happen everywhere unfortunately and I just want to hear from people who may have used bjj in them.

Doug Cartel

I've seen some guy trying to lock in a triangle choke in a fight across from the Lido chipper on Pearse Street.

While he was busy doing that, someone came over and stuck the boot in to the guy who he was trying to choke.

pablohoney87

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I've seen some guy trying to lock in a triangle choke in a fight across from the Lido chipper on Pearse Street.

While he was busy doing that, someone came over and stuck the boot in to the guy who he was trying to choke.

*Trawls internet for CCTV footage of that

oc_pl

I got hit in the head with a bottle one in a takeaway in an unprovoked attack, double legged the guy, mounted and proceeded to punch the guy in the face several times. Broke my hand up pretty good in the process.

cowzerp

Stillweak wrote: »

Can I not complain if my thread is taken off topic.
Could a mod request on topic posts only?
Thanks

It's not your thread, was started by you but it's a public thread and all threads can become different as it's organic.

If you want stories off BJJ been used then you will have no posts.

OLDMAN1

Ryan Halls video!

Doug Cartel

pablohoney87 wrote: »

*Trawls internet for CCTV footage of that

I think I'll have to just walk around with a GoPro camera strapped to my head in case I ever see anything that crazy again.

crosdad

I saw some lad in ucd going around in tapout shorts while eating a chicken fillet roll. Safe to say i legged it

crosdad

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Also this. Some of the best guys in the country would not strike you as someone "who would be great in a fight"

Many of the best guys are quite mild mannered intelligent guys. Joey Breslin, Jim McInerney, Barry Ogelsby, Liam Beechinor (From the one time ive talked to him). None of these guys strike you as somebody you definitely should avoid getting into a fight with.

Joey breslin would batter you Paul

pablohoney87

crosdad wrote: »

Joey breslin would batter you Paul

Come at me Bro!








I know he would

returnNull

crosdad wrote: »

I saw some lad in ucd going around in tapout shorts while eating a chicken fillet roll. Safe to say i legged it

would you not buy your own roll?fukking students:pac:

G Spark

I've used bjj in a "street fight" once. Not so much self defence but defending a friend of mine. A guy randomly started punching my friend in the back of the head on the dance floor. I grabbed him & in the ensuing scramble we both fell over a stool at which point I managed to throw on a sloppy triangle & hit him in the head with a couple of elbows until the bouncers nabbed us. It was a stroke of pure luck that he was on his own as anyone could have easily stamped my brains out. I'm such a tough nut

Stephen_King

slammer187

This guy on the street told me he wanted to fight me once so I jumped on the ground and started screaming 'GET IN MY GUARD!!!'

He then ran away.

TomRooney

Having worked the doors in Dublin city for several years in the past, I have through no fault of my own found myself in positions were talking just wasn't going to cut it, around the time I was doing this work I trained in the basics of BJJ but I didn't go to class consistently due to work constraints only attending a class here and there...very basic knowledge.

I found BJJ to be a very effective tool when having to restrain, choke or throw individuals in one on one situations, particularly if they were the aggressive type waving and throwing their hands about the place in a crazed rock ape way.

The techniques I found most effective when dealing with aggressors, were shooting in around the waist, then to head lock then transition into a guillotine then choke a little, just enough to make them realise they don't want any more, then promptly back to head lock to drag them out of the club or pub, if they put up a fight from the headlock position or try to bite, you can always hip throw them by the head lock...if you know what I mean.

I found the judo style hip throw to be very effective when in close against a single attacker, once they slam onto the hard ground they usually come to their senses and quickly realise they don't want any more of that....who could blame them.

I've used the rear naked choke to subdue particular large guys who would probably smash me to pieces if I had to deal with them face to face, learning to read the situation in a potential physical confrontation is probably the most important skill you can develop, knowing when talking just ain't gonna cut it and things are going to get physical, then deciding in miliseconds what you're going to do.

But a word of warning, be very careful when using the likes of the rear naked choke, they are very very dangerous techniques and they were designed for killing people. I got the fright of my life the first night I chocked a guy out, I knew how to do the technique but I didn't realise how quick it worked when put on full strength, I only had a basic knowledge of BJJ which I now realise looking back is a dangerous thing in itself.

Added to this was fear and adrenaline and the result was choking a guy unconscious who then started shaking with his eyes rolling into the back of his head, the guy (scum bag) deserved it but all that justification fades away when you're thinking you may have killed someone, the seconds feel like hours when you've just chocked someone unconscious and you're waiting for them to wake up, for me anyway

Knowing how to sweep someone off from the top of you is also invaluable, it's bad enough being on the ground in a street fight but being on the ground with someone sitting on top of you punching the snot out of ya is 10 times worse.

My conclusion is 80 to 90% of people out there are not trained to any significant level of martial art, as such even a few basic techniques from Judo, BJJ, MMA will always give you a big advantage over "average Joe"
Of course there will always be the exception to this but thats not very often.

In self defence, street fighting situations, there are no perfect techniques or martial arts that will guarantee success, common sense should always prevail, avoid street fights at all costs, you have nothing to prove to anyone.
If you're outnumbered and can escape then do so, run if you have to, live to fight another day, there's no shame in it.
If someone has a weapon or knife, run away, all the heroes are dead.
If you're cornered and can't escape hit hard and fast and aim for the nose, throat, eye gouge or kick to create distance then run, don't hang around.
If you're on the ground, and getting kicked and punched my personal favourite position is the fetal position, making sure to protect my head, temple area and face as a priority, moving hands around and screaming loudly seems to help, either by distracting them (attackers) or by attracting people to the scene.

arybvtcw0eolkf

^^ Spot on/Thread!.

Pat Mustard

TomRooney wrote: »

If you're on the ground, and getting kicked and punched my personal favourite position is the fetal position, making sure to protect my head, temple area and face as a priority, moving hands around and screaming loudly seems to help, either by distracting them (attackers) or by attracting people to the scene.

I can't disagree with most of what you've said, but I think that this is wrong.

You have to try to get up. You can get killed on the ground.

TomRooney

The Mustard wrote: »

I can't disagree with most of what you've said, but I think that this is wrong.

You have to try to get up. You can get killed on the ground.

I agree to an extent, but sometimes that is just not possible in my opinion, because whilst trying to get up you are likely to open yourself up to a kick in the face or head, I'm just going from personal experience, that doesn't mean I'm right, it's just what has worked for me. Another useful thing to do if being attacked by multiple attackers on a bus, particularly a coach with higher seats is to lay back and bring your legs up and use them in a cycling type motion kicking them out, aiming for the body or head to create space whilst covering your head with the forearms covering your face.

Just my opinion, doesn't mean I'm right, every individual situation will dictate the action taken.

arte suave

My first instructor in Sydney was a beast on the streets. Check out this forum post of his to see how Bjj can be used to defeat multiple attackers. http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/jiu-jitsu-multiple-attacks-527655/

Remmy

no bjj but there is some judo/sambo displayed in this vid. (Safe for work)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=674_1314959934

Pug160

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I'm not an expert in BJJ, to be honest the extent of my knowledge is watching a few vids and demos.

To sum up BJJ in my non expert opinion is a ground based grappling art.

First rule in a street fight imo, you don't want to be on the ground. Its too easy for someone to come into the fight and put the boot into you easily. So if a BJJ class emphasises going to ground you want to take the ground bits out of it when working self defence. Concrete is a lot harder than the mats BJJ guys train with.

All MA are useful for self defence if taught right. There may need to be a distinction between BJJ for sport and BJJ for self defence since rolling and grappling isn't a good idea. That said there are standing BJJ techniques and I would imagine BJJ looking at self defence rather than sport would focus on them.

That's the sort of thing that's often said by lots of so called expets, and don't get me wrong I can understand why. But at the same time, if you're being attacked by lots of people chances are you're not going to come out on top anyway. Lots of people discuss these scenarios in a ridiculous Steven Segal or Jean Claude Van Damme Movie way. The best thing to do in my opinion, is to either punch or throw a guy then leg it. I think I'll start a thread on this later on.

Leecherer

This is kind if funny as I did 1 Bjj class a few weeks ago and then got to use it straight away the next night. I went to a class on Wednesday night and then to a student night in a pub slash nightclub the night after with my housemate.
My friend and I were at the bar very late on, and this guy got very aggressive with both of us, and then made some racist comments to my friend who is Asian. I'm not making out that I was innocent we were probably not backing away from him either but anyway.
The night before i went to kyuzo fit a class and I'd been shown osoto-gari (spelling???) and when the guy grabbed me I immediately did it. It was probably because I knew nothing else! The guy fell and we just lay on him a bit really til the bouncers came over. I think I took him a bit by surprise because he just fell over more than me tripping him, but it worked.
Irony I dropped a printer on my foot in work the next day and broke 2 bones and haven't been able to train but I have a 100% record so maybe I won't ever go back lol!
Thought it was funny. I'm the least aggressive guy in the world so it's even funnier if you know me I guess.

Andrew H

I have witnessed BJJ been used in a street fight on the strip in Albufeira, Portugal while on holidays.

Nottingham Forrest were playing a game of football against Sporting Lisbon.

We were sitting outside one of the pubs when a Notts Forrest supporter shook a can of beer and opened it over one of the lads who was trying to get customers into his restaurant.

Portuguese lad clinches and trips the English lad. The English lads head narrowly misses bouncing off parked car. Portuguese lad mounts and starts dropping punches. English lad turns and gives his back. Portuguese lad sinks in hooks and Rear Naked Choke. Fight then gets stopped.

English lad stumbles to his feet after Portuguese lad is scrapped off of his back. English lads walk on down the street saying why did he do that as he was only messing. Five minutes later Portuguese lads mates arrive and they head off in direction English lads went.

cowzerp

Andrew H wrote: »

I have witnessed BJJ been used in a street fight on the strip in Albufeira, Portugal while on holidays.

Nottingham Forrest were playing a game of football against Sporting Lisbon.

We were sitting outside one of the pubs when a Notts Forrest supporter shook a can of beer and opened it over one of the lads who was trying to get customers into his restaurant.

Portuguese lad clinches and trips the English lad. The English lads head narrowly misses bouncing off parked car. Portuguese lad mounts and starts dropping punches. English lad turns and gives his back. Portuguese lad sinks in hooks and Rear Naked Choke. Fight then gets stopped.

English lad stumbles to his feet after Portuguese lad is scrapped off of his back. English lads walk on down the street saying why did he do that as he was only messing. Five minutes later Portuguese lads mates arrive and they head off in direction English lads went.

That was MMA not BJJ you witnessed, The choke could just as easily be called Judo etc..Fact he struck and the rest it was MMA