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Top 10 tips for a high handicapper to reduce their handicap
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10-04-2013 10:34pm#1
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1. Research swing theory, there are many ways to swing a club, they all have their own principles, research a swing theory thoroughly and learn from the one you believe to be a) Correct from a physics, and biomechanical perspective.,
Fits you more naturally.
2. Buy a high speed video recorder, over new clubs and lessons, to me anyway, more important if you know what you believe you need to do to improve, the camera will help you.
3. The basics in golf don't change, you need a weightshift before the dowswing, and you need the club to come back on plane for a relatively accurate shot. Squaring the before impact is the key to straight shots, square the club early in the downswing, you should learn to know where the clubhead faces at every point in the downswing, that takes time and lots of work with learning feedback with mirrir, cameras.
Divot after the ball always.
3. Driver, wedge and putter are the most important clubs in your bag to reduce your handicap.
Be accurate with those three and you can scutter every ball in between and drop your index. Forget about being long off the tee, most amateurs aren't, Accept your limitations.
4. Wasting time blasting balls with no purpose or goal, is never going to help you. There's always something to work on, and always a way to do it, a theory behind it, and feedback and
acting on that feedback is the only way to improve.
Use your high speed camera.
5. Oh yeah, learn the ball flight laws, as provided by Trackman.0 -
John Divney wrote: »1. Research swing theory, there are many ways to swing a club, they all have their own principles, research a swing theory thoroughly and learn from the one you believe to be a) Correct from a physics, and biomechanical perspective., Fits you more naturally.
2. Buy a high speed video recorder, over new clubs and lessons, to me anyway, more important if you know what you believe you need to do to improve, the camera will help you.
3. The basics in golf don't change, you need a weightshift before the dowswing, and you need the club to come back on plane for a relatively accurate shot. Squaring the before impact is the key to straight shots, square the club early in the downswing, you should learn to know where the clubhead faces at every point in the downswing, that takes time and lots of work with learning feedback with mirrir, cameras.
Divot after the ball always.
3. Driver, wedge and putter are the most important clubs in your bag to reduce your handicap.
Be accurate with those three and you can scutter every ball in between and drop your index. Forget about being long off the tee, most amateurs aren't, Accept your limitations.
4. Wasting time blasting balls with no purpose or goal, is never going to help you. There's always something to work on, and always a way to do it, a theory behind it, and feedback and
acting on that feedback is the only way to improve.
Use your high speed camera.
Just throwing this out there for the sake of debate but is some of this potentially over complicating the game?
A lot of this may be relevant for players playing at a very good level but for high handicappers, is stuff like researching swing theories just going to clog their brain with swing thoughts?0 -
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John Divney wrote: »1. Research swing theory, there are many ways to swing a club, they all have their own principles, research a swing theory thoroughly and learn from the one you believe to be a) Correct from a physics, and biomechanical perspective., Fits you more naturally.
2. Buy a high speed video recorder, over new clubs and lessons, to me anyway, more important if you know what you believe you need to do to improve, the camera will help you.
3. The basics in golf don't change, you need a weightshift before the dowswing, and you need the club to come back on plane for a relatively accurate shot. Squaring the before impact is the key to straight shots, square the club early in the downswing, you should learn to know where the clubhead faces at every point in the downswing, that takes time and lots of work with learning feedback with mirrir, cameras.
Divot after the ball always.
3. Driver, wedge and putter are the most important clubs in your bag to reduce your handicap.
Be accurate with those three and you can scutter every ball in between and drop your index. Forget about being long off the tee, most amateurs aren't, Accept your limitations.
4. Wasting time blasting balls with no purpose or goal, is never going to help you. There's always something to work on, and always a way to do it, a theory behind it, and feedback and
acting on that feedback is the only way to improve.
Use your high speed camera.
5. Oh yeah, learn the ball flight laws, as provided by Trackman.DeanAustin wrote: »Just throwing this out there for the sake of debate but is some of this potentially over complicating the game?
A lot of this may be relevant for players playing at a very good level but for high handicappers, is stuff like researching swing theories just going to clog their brain with swing thoughts?
+1 Dean.
John, that's absolutely bananas.0 -
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John Divney wrote: »In theory. There are two main golf swing types, and then a possible combination of the two.
The swing v hitter as Homer Kelley described in 'The Golfing Machine, one is the hitter using the right hand dominantly and driving it into the ball, the other is the tension free swinging using centrifugal force for clubhead speed, ie a the golfer pulling down with the lead are drag loading the club with lag, as if pulling a rope to a bell.
Modern researches say there is a combination of both, some disagree blah blah etc
The you have one plane rotary swings with more uprights, very different swings.
No offence intended, but this ^^^ is horse$h1t !! That doesn't even include Jimmy Ballard's connection method that's shunned by the mainstream coz he won't tow the PGA line. Who cares what modern research says ? Research ?? There's 150 pros on a practice ground each week, all brilliant players and there's also 150 different swings on view. And I guarantee you not one of those players is wondering/deciding if he's a hitter or a swinger.
To each their own, and whatever works for you. Totally up to you whatever way you do it.
Swing shape depends on build, height, weight, flexibility, natural tendency......lots of variables. Look how flat Vijay swings it, and he's 6' 3" or something - totally opposite to what he "should" do, in theory.
You've got yourself to 10, fair play, that's no mean achievement, but it really sounds to me like you're tying yourself up in knots and over complicating things. Maybe that's your natural leaning, fair enough, I'm not trying to be harsh or offend you.
Golf isn't that complicated, think of it like hitting a ball with a stick (I'm serious - there's a lovely chapter in Harvey Pennicks Little Red Book about it). I wish I could think of it that way myself more often !!
Op, I'd recommend a read of Bob Rotella's Golf is not a game of Perfect, the best €15 you'll ever spend on golf IMO.0 -
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No offence intended, but this ^^^ is horse$h1t !! That doesn't even include Jimmy Ballard's connection method that's shunned by the mainstream coz he won't tow the PGA line. Who cares what modern research says ? Research ?? There's 150 pros on a practice ground each week, all brilliant players and there's also 150 different swings on view. And I guarantee you not one of those players is wondering/deciding if he's a hitter or a swinger.
To each their own, and whatever works for you. Totally up to you whatever way you do it.
Swing shape depends on build, height, weight, flexibility, natural tendency......lots of variables. Look how flat Vijay swings it, and he's 6' 3" or something - totally opposite to what he "should" do, in theory.
You've got yourself to 10, fair play, that's no mean achievement, but it really sounds to me like you're tying yourself up in knots and over complicating things. Maybe that's your natural leaning, fair enough, I'm not trying to be harsh or offend you.
Golf isn't that complicated, think of it like hitting a ball with a stick (I'm serious - there's a lovely chapter in Harvey Pennicks Little Red Book about it). I wish I could think of it that way myself more often !!
Op, I'd recommend a read of Bob Rotella's Golf is not a game of Perfect, the best €15 you'll ever spend on golf IMO.
What part is bull****, trying to understand all points of view and deciding what best suits you? You basically are agreeing with me here.
As for modern research, the way Nicklaus et al swung, led them to smashing out their hips, that flowing C position at the end of the swing is out of vogue, even hearing diffreing points of view on how to pivot and not smash out your hip or knee is valuable.
I found that the weight is far better for balance when joints are neutrally alligned, that is the same stance for all clubs, I don't move my hip out over neutral on the downswing or after after impact, I pivot with my hips towards target after impact and am balanced, no turning pressure on my knee bending ways it shoudln't.
That was simply from looking around the net at different theories, I am convinced it is the proper way. Swing theory is more than the movement of club to ball,
If there isn't anything to learn then why even go to a pro in the first place?
I do not complicate my swing, at all, I simply found what I believed to be correct for me after looking through a lot, and from stance with to ball position to plane. It is hard to get to a point where you have grooved a swing for yourself, but you DO NOT take all that thought out on the course with you.
Nobody improves if they aren't able to relax on the tee and let the practice be
of use.
If you have a good swing don't change it. If you clearly have a God awful swing, you have to change it, that is where a bit of research comes in.
Telling someone to swing like a stick to a ball, or do the right thing is a waste of time because they don't know in their mind what they think is correct, so cannot make an improvement to that0 -
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FixdePitchmark wrote: »John - fair play you made your point.
But he is looking for a top ten. Not Leonardo's Codex.
Sorry, I never usually talk about this stuff on or off the course so the tap opened. I'm a reader usually not a waffler.:(0 -
John Divney wrote: »
Sorry, I never usually talk about this stuff on or off the course so really the tap opened. I'm a reader usually not a waffler.:(
Don't worry GreeBo can do that to ya, 0 -
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