Welfare office MANAGER jailed for scamming the system

Montroseee

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/welfare-office-worker-jailed-for-stealing-nearly-17-000-in-scam-1.1355983

Nice to know to its not just the welfare tourists we have to watch out for :mad:. Sick to the stomach at the pitiful sentence he got though, 16 months = out in 6 months most likely. As a manager/senior civil servant and with a Blackrock address, I'm sure he was very well paid.

Still gets his pension aswell...

HondaSami

Montroseee wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/welfare-office-worker-jailed-for-stealing-nearly-17-000-in-scam-1.1355983

Nice to know to its not just the welfare tourists we have to watch out for :mad:. Sick to the stomach at the pitiful sentence he got though, 16 months = out in 6 months most likely. As a manager/senior civil servant and with a Blackrock address, I'm sure he was very well paid. Anyone know if he still gets his pension?


Edit: Missed the part where it says he is entitled to his pension.

''None of the money has been repaid but there is a procedure in place where the Department can reclaim the money from King’s pension when it mature''

He did wrong got punished, what else is there to say, he has lost his job and is in prison.

lkionm

Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble


Bloody public sector.

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Potholes.

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6 years for garlic and 2 weeks for murder.

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snubbleste

Meh, are we surprised ?

Pretzill

lkionm wrote: »

Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble


Bloody public sector.

Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble

Potholes.

Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble

6 years for garlic and 2 weeks for murder.

Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble

Are you sure you don't mean rabbit?

WayneMolloy

I kept expecting to read the two words - suspended sentence. Shocked he got a custodial sentence.

Well done, judge.

TheUsual

Joe, Joe !!! .. think of the rabbits Joe !!!!

johndoe99

wonder will he be able to get a welfare payment when he gets out. :pac:

Montroseee

johndoe99 wrote: »

wonder will he be able to get a welfare payment when he gets out. :pac:

Most likely and mortgage assistance.

lkionm

Pretzill wrote: »

Are you sure you don't mean rabbit?

No, more like Fianna FAIL.


Amirite?

How about that airline food?

HondaSami

Montroseee wrote: »

Most likely and mortgage assistance.

He will get what he is entitled too same as everyone else, ffs just because he is a civil servant people want to make a bigger issue out of it, get over it. he is not the first nor will he be the last person to do wrong.

Joe10000

Montroseee wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/welfare-office-worker-jailed-for-stealing-nearly-17-000-in-scam-1.1355983

Nice to know to its not just the welfare tourists we have to watch out for :mad:. Sick to the stomach at the pitiful sentence he got though, 16 months = out in 6 months most likely. As a manager/senior civil servant and with a Blackrock address, I'm sure he was very well paid.

Still gets his pension aswell...

I recognise his address and it is only a short walk away, will I go down and see what year his merc is ?

The Backwards Man

Montroseee wrote: »

As a manager/senior civil servant and with a Blackrock address, I'm sure he was very well paid.

They get paid according to where they live?

snubbleste

Joe10000 wrote: »

I recognise his address and it is only a short walk away, will I go down and see what year his merc is ?

Do.

lkionm

Boards should ban these threads, they are always people sniping at the government and begrudging everyone who has to get any form of assistance.

I'm worse for clicking into them.

I should be banned as well.

Montroseee

Joe10000 wrote: »

I recognise his address and it is only a short walk away, will I go down and see what year his merc is ?

Have a look for me please, watch out for the extension and boat in the driveway too :rolleyes:

FloatingVoter

He was overpaying the punters, then "catching" them and pocketing the rebate. He'll make a nice ladyboy for some of the longer term inmates.

suicide_circus

lkionm wrote: »

I should be banned as well.

Indeed, along with the others who come on with the hilarious and original "rabble rabble rabble" response to threads. If youre not interested in the subject matter of a thread, why post?

lkionm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Indeed, along with the others who come on with the hilarious and original "rabble rabble rabble" response to threads. If youre not interested in the subject matter of a thread, why post?

Mine had way more rabble than that.


Boredom and I already had a **** today.

I forgot my interest meter had to be at 7 to post in a thread but the truth is, I just want to get my post count up to be part of the gang.

K-9

lkionm wrote: »

Boards should ban these threads, they are always people sniping at the government and begrudging everyone who has to get any form of assistance.

I'm worse for clicking into them.

I should be banned as well.

Mod: That could be arranged, seriously, you've made your point, just leave it at that.

Ghost Train

Montroseee wrote: »

As a manager/senior civil servant and with a Blackrock address, I'm sure he was very well paid.

Does say he lives at home though, so particular address doesn't mean he's well paid

schnitzelEater

Did he lose his job, or is he on unpaid leave / career break while in jail?

shopaholic01

schnitzelEater wrote: »

Did he lose his job, or is he on unpaid leave / career break while in jail?

He was sacked.

earlyevening

How long did he spend suspended on full pay until they fired him?

catallus

Am I right in saying that it was only uncovered when one of the people he was shaking down wrote a letter to the department? Do they have such little idea of what money they are paying out that a mid-level manager can do this?

schnitzelEater

Did he charge them penalties and interest or just ask for the overpayment back? If not, he has much to learn.

shopaholic01

schnitzelEater wrote: »

Did he lose his job, or is he on unpaid leave / career break while in jail?

earlyevening wrote: »

How long did he spend suspended on full pay until they fired him?

catallus wrote: »

Am I right in saying that it was only uncovered when one of the people he was shaking down wrote a letter to the department? Do they have such little idea of what money they are paying out that a mid-level manager can do this?

schnitzelEater wrote: »

Did he charge them penalties and interest or just ask for the overpayment back? If not, he has much to learn.

Read the link!

Letter was anonymous, no details on exactly when he was sacked.

His pension contributions remain, department can recoup money from that when he reaches retirement age.

schnitzelEater

shopaholic01 wrote: »

Read the link!

Letter was anonymous, no details on exactly when he was sacked.

His pension contributions remain, revenue can recoup money from that when he reaches retirement age.

I wonder has he gone through the appeals process yet? He might still be in with a shout of keeping the job.

shopaholic01

schnitzelEater wrote: »

I wonder has he gone through the appeals process yet? He might still be in with a shout of keeping the job.

I'm not a seer!

He was sacked, admitted guilt and is now in prison. So I doubt he has any grounds to appeal.

schnitzelEater

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I'm not a seer!

He was sacked, admitted guilt and is now in prison. So I doubt he has any grounds to appeal.

Fair enough, I suppose.

Odysseus

schnitzelEater wrote: »

I wonder has he gone through the appeals process yet? He might still be in with a shout of keeping the job.

What grounds do you think he would have to appeal?

starviewadams

Shouldn't get to keep his pension imo,he abused his power and threathened genuine welfare recipients with loss if benefits of they didn't give the money back to him.

HondaSami

starviewadams wrote: »

Shouldn't get to keep his pension imo,he abused his power and threathened genuine welfare recipients with loss if benefits of they didn't give the money back to him.

I agree he should not keep his pension, maybe refund him some of what he has paid in but then cancel his pension.

Montroseee

catallus wrote: »

Am I right in saying that it was only uncovered when one of the people he was shaking down wrote a letter to the department? Do they have such little idea of what money they are paying out that a mid-level manager can do this?

This really surprised me too, must be the case as it was going on for a while.

Dicky Pride

3 pages in and nobody mentions why this happened. Gambling. As big a problem as drugs in this country.

Montroseee

Dicky Pride wrote: »

3 pages in and nobody mentions why this happened. Gambling. As big a problem as drugs in this country.

I think not, but that's for another thread.

returnNull

earlyevening wrote: »

How long did he spend suspended on full pay until they fired him?

probably as long as they presumed he was innocent?

catallus

The report says he made "large overpayments" over a "one year period".

Maybe the whistleblower was unhappy with their cut, looked for an increase and when King refused they decided to crash the bus.

Blind speculation, but if the letter was anonymous, it would add up.

kraggy

Montroseee wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/welfare-office-worker-jailed-for-stealing-nearly-17-000-in-scam-1.1355983

Nice to know to its not just the welfare tourists we have to watch out for :mad:. Sick to the stomach at the pitiful sentence he got though, 16 months = out in 6 months most likely. As a manager/senior civil servant and with a Blackrock address, I'm sure he was very well paid.

Still gets his pension aswell...

Why shouldn't he get his pension? He's paid into it himself over the years.

Montroseee

kraggy wrote: »

Why shouldn't he get his pension? He's paid into it himself over the years.

The part the state pays.

Oranage2

Joe10000 wrote: »

I recognise his address and it is only a short walk away, will I go down and see what year his merc is ?

Well?

kraggy

Montroseee wrote: »

The part the state pays.

He should serve his sentence and pay back what he owes. Not lose the whole pension.

Montroseee

kraggy wrote: »

He should serve his sentence and pay back what he owes. Not lose the whole pension.

There should also be fines as is usual for fraud cases.

kraggy

Montroseee wrote: »

There should also be fines as is usual for fraud cases.

Fines usually accompany tax evasion cases where the sum owed plus a fine are repaid and life carries on.

Prison + repayment of money + fines is going overboard.

earlyevening

lol. Maybe he could be redeployed to some clerical officer role in the prison service- or maybe he could be a prison officer? Couldn't possibly sack a civil servant- how will he pay his mortgage on his investment properties?

shopaholic01

earlyevening wrote: »

lol. Maybe he could be redeployed to some clerical officer role in the prison service- or maybe he could be a prison officer? Couldn't possibly sack a civil servant- how will he pay his mortgage on his investment properties?

Except he was sacked. :cool:

catallus

"None of the money has been repaid but there is a procedure in place where the Department can reclaim the money from King’s pension when it matures." That's from the IT report.

Why is it going overboard?

B.A._Baracus

Garda Tracey agreed with counsel that King was “glad to be caught” and that he is unlikely to reoffend.

Would you ever go and ... :pac:
"glad to be caught" - like he wrestled with his conscience? ffs, he scammed the money, got caught, thats it.

kraggy

catallus wrote: »

"None of the money has been repaid but there is a procedure in place where the Department can reclaim the money from King’s pension when it matures." That's from the IT report.

Why is it going overboard?

I presume you're referring to my post?

I mean that taking away his WHOLE pension leaving him with no income for the rest of his life, as well as serving time in prison would be going overboard.

catallus

Obviously, the proportionality principle has to be obeyed.

K-9

catallus wrote: »

Am I right in saying that it was only uncovered when one of the people he was shaking down wrote a letter to the department? Do they have such little idea of what money they are paying out that a mid-level manager can do this?

It would seem they were under pressure staff wise, what with the collapse in property and retail at the time, demand nearly trebled. With a company you'd be looking to at least double staff, not cut numbers.

Still, somebody should be checking stuff like this, whether it is internal or external auditors. Wonder how he did it as a lot of payments is standard, maybe part time workers and saying they worked less than they claimed for.