Swing analysis

Finlay Harp

Can anyone recommend a swing analyser like the ones discussed on here a few months ago that have a gadget on your glove or club and info passed over to your phone? I tried a search but not much on it. I remember one being endorsed by McDowell which looked good but can find nothing on Google.

alxmorgan

Forget the golf and work on your google powers

A bit of a comparison
http://www.mygolfspy.com/golfsense-swing-byte-smart-review/

3Bays GSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azbxjZ7hJH4


Not released yet but looking interesting.....

Swingbyte 2
http://www.swingbyte.com/sb2

Skypro
http://www.golfskypro.com/content/welcome-skypro

Gin77

alxmorgan wrote: »

Forget the golf and work on your google powers

A bit of a comparison
http://www.mygolfspy.com/golfsense-swing-byte-smart-review/

3Bays GSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azbxjZ7hJH4


Not released yet but looking interesting.....

Swingbyte 2
http://www.swingbyte.com/sb2

Skypro
http://www.golfskypro.com/content/welcome-skypro

Have you tried these gadgets?
I'm also interested in this subject but I would like to hear from someone who has used one of these.

Swingbyte seems to be better as in it analyses putting as well, also its compatable with both android and IOS.

The skypro looks more impressive costs more and is more restricted to one type of software.

Think I will go for the swingbyte myself.

John Divney

I've looked at both, not used them, however 3bays looks far better, you don't have to strap it to the shaft which is fiddly, the swing speed seems to be accurate when compared to trackman, for carry distance too.

I'd love one to be honest, can't justify the cost though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azbxjZ7hJH4

Good review here.

alxmorgan

Gin77 wrote: »

Have you tried these gadgets?
I'm also interested in this subject but I would like to hear from someone who has used one of these.

Swingbyte seems to be better as in it analyses putting as well, also its compatable with both android and IOS.

The skypro looks more impressive costs more and is more restricted to one type of software.

Think I will go for the swingbyte myself.

Haven't tried any yet. I like the idea of the groove mode in Skypro and it will be released on IPad and Android soon enough.

@golfskypro on twitter

Hanging on for reviews of new Swingbyte and Skypro

RonnieL

alxmorgan wrote: »

Haven't tried any yet. I like the idea of the groove mode in Skypro and it will be released on IPad and Android soon enough.

@golfskypro on twitter

Hanging on for reviews of new Swingbyte and Skypro

Picked up a skypro in the US in June. I've been impressed with it so far. I was out the front of my house hitting a few balls with a sand wedge the other night, and it was alerting me about being "very inside". Once I figured out what that meant, I tried some things to address it, and found I was striking the ball much better. It's nice to know club head speed and that too.

I haven't used the groove mode yet, because that's more something you'd do at the range, and I haven't made it to the range with it yet.

One issue is the lack of an android version of the software - I have to use my wifes iPhone. It does work with the iPad, but I'd be a bit self conscious rocking up to the range with that, especially because I'm terrible at golf and often duff shots a few yards.

Anyway, I'd recommend getting one, especially if you're like me and into gadgetry (and golf obviously!)

Kevinmarkham

I should be getting the Swingbyte 2.0 (from www.breakingpar.ie) to review on the blog in the coming week. May need to get a couple of Boardsies to help me with that.

alxmorgan

Kevinmarkham wrote: »

I should be getting the Swingbyte 2.0 (from www.breakingpar.ie) to review on the blog in the coming week. May need to get a couple of Boardsies to help me with that.

Sign me up

alxmorgan

http://www.mygolfspy.com/skypro-swing-analyzer-trainer-review/

charlieIRL

alxmorgan wrote: »

Sign me up

ME TOO!!!

Arsenium

Oh no. Why did I read this thread. I just downloaded the android app (3Bays) and now I want the device.

As if I didnt have enough things on my wish list....

mike12

http://www.adverts.ie/golf/swingbyte-2-0-mobile-swing-analyzer/3468491
Guy selling them on adverts.

alxmorgan

mike12 wrote: »

http://www.adverts.ie/golf/swingbyte-2-0-mobile-swing-analyzer/3468491
Guy selling them on adverts.

Same crowd sending them to Kevin for review

rollotomasi

Kevinmarkham wrote: »

I should be getting the Swingbyte 2.0 (from www.breakingpar.ie) to review on the blog in the coming week. May need to get a couple of Boardsies to help me with that.

I'm interested too if places still avail

Panrich

Have ordered one of these. I will report back when I get it and give it a test run.

TheDoc

So how many people have we got using it actively?

I can't see major benefits from the data its showing if I am honest : /

Panrich

I am one of these 'early adopters' and I received the unit yesterday. I must confess at the outset that I tend to analyse things too much but that's all part of the fun in my case.
I have not really had time to look at it in much detail yet but from taking a few swings with each club, I see that I definitely swing very over the top and my clubhead speed is abysmal.
This is very important to me as I could not self diagnose from looking at videos or through a mirror and swings on the course can also be included as well as those from the range. Too often, I went to the range with vague notions about where I might be going wrong but had no way to measure this. The beauty is that the swings are all recorded so that I can log my progress (or lack of it) and there is trend analysis available too.
Too early to be able to say that my game will improve but I feel that I will at least hone in on problem areas quicker.

Derek Zoolander

anyone else try this - certainly looks like a good piece of kit...

surprised they haven't been able to get harrington to endorse it considering he was ensuring a straight jacket with the arms cut off not too long ago

dwd

I got the 3bays GSA a month or 2 back, and I think it's a cool device. The swing speed, swing plane and club face alignment are all measuring what I would expect from lessons / launch monitor reading I've had in the past.

One of the things that I'm actually finding the most useful is the tempo monitor, I hadn't realised just how quick my back-swing was, and by working to slow down my backswing and increasing by tempo towards the 3:1 from the around the 2:1 it seems to have really helped with my consistency. I also find it really useful to keep an eye that you're not falling back to bad habits, also I've been working on trying to flatten my swing a little and come from the inside since my last lesson and it really useful to check that you are actually doing what you think you are.

I think the 3bays biggest let down for me is the lack of pc application/website that you can look at all you're swing history in one place and see progress etc.

Derek Zoolander

dwd wrote: »

I got the 3bays GSA a month or 2 back, and I think it's a cool device. The swing speed, swing plane and club face alignment are all measuring what I would expect from lessons / launch monitor reading I've had in the past.

One of the things that I'm actually finding the most useful is the tempo monitor, I hadn't realised just how quick my back-swing was, and by working to slow down my backswing and increasing by tempo towards the 3:1 from the around the 2:1 it seems to have really helped with my consistency. I also find it really useful to keep an eye that you're not falling back to bad habits, also I've been working on trying to flatten my swing a little and come from the inside since my last lesson and it really useful to check that you are actually doing what you think you are.

I think the 3bays biggest let down for me is the lack of pc application/website that you can look at all you're swing history in one place and see progress etc.

how much was the 3bays device?

dwd

I paid ~ $200 but got caught for VAT, so it ended up a bit ~€210 after that and the shipping. The main reason I went for it over some of the other devices was the fact that in inserts into the butt of the shaft rather than clipping onto it, which means it's very quick for swapping clubs.

Panrich

Have used the Swingbyte 2 device for over a week now so here's an initial review.

Pros:

I can put the device on any view and get instant feedback from each swing. For instance, I have a terrible issue with an over the top swing and the overhead view draws laser lines of the club path so that you can see at a glance after each swing how you did. 3D of my swing has shown that I was instinctively making a movement in the transition that pushed the clubhead back and this in turn pushed my hands and the shaft forward starting the over the top movement.
I have very poor clubhead speed and each swing gives an instant read that allows you to monitor progress or lack of.
The swing history is great and gives a full record of how you are performing over time. The ability to compare swings is great too.
With practice, the device can be switched from club to club in less than 30 seconds and the app can start recording in less than 10 more.
Swings on one device are visible on all and also on the web within seconds.


Cons:

For me, the unit seems to slip around a bit on certain clubs (my 7 iron in particular) and needs to be re-aligned often. The dust cover of the usb port also seems to pop off too easily in these cases. Maybe the juddering thumps of the ground on my many mi****s are to blame here.
I have a gen1 ipad and Samsung Galaxy S4. The Ipad app has the better interface but as it doesn't have a camera, I can't record my swings in video. The android app does not have the ability to record video at all.
The online page does not have a very detailed interface to view your swing history in the same detail as in the apps and could be improved in my opinion.
There is no shot distance feature but that may be coming soon hopefully.
There could be more detail provided on what the many readings actually mean. There is a little information given but it's not very clear whether the figures recorded are good/ bad / indifferent.

Overall:

I am very pleased with the device. I spent so long swinging with it over the weekend that I gave myself a strain on my thumb. It is so easy to quickly hit many balls into a net that you can overdo things if you're not careful.
I had a vicious slice with my driver that I can see great progress already from the stats. My swing speed of the driver has gone from 80mph to over 90mph too. I find that I can pick on an aspect of my swing to concentrate on during a session and get the instant feedback that I can measure.
This is the key selling point to me. Previously, I went to the range with a vague notion of working on something but came away with no progress because I didn't see any difference in the quality or distance of my shots so I went down many blind alleys.

alxmorgan

Panrich wrote: »

Have used the Swingbyte 2 device for over a week now so here's an initial review.

Pros:

I can put the device on any view and get instant feedback from each swing. For instance, I have a terrible issue with an over the top swing and the overhead view draws laser lines of the club path so that you can see at a glance after each swing how you did. 3D of my swing has shown that I was instinctively making a movement in the transition that pushed the clubhead back and this in turn pushed my hands and the shaft forward starting the over the top movement.
I have very poor clubhead speed and each swing gives an instant read that allows you to monitor progress or lack of.
The swing history is great and gives a full record of how you are performing over time. The ability to compare swings is great too.
With practice, the device can be switched from club to club in less than 30 seconds and the app can start recording in less than 10 more.
Swings on one device are visible on all and also on the web within seconds.


Cons:

For me, the unit seems to slip around a bit on certain clubs (my 7 iron in particular) and needs to be re-aligned often. The dust cover of the usb port also seems to pop off too easily in these cases. Maybe the juddering thumps of the ground on my many mi****s are to blame here.
I have a gen1 ipad and Samsung Galaxy S4. The Ipad app has the better interface but as it doesn't have a camera, I can't record my swings in video. The android app does not have the ability to record video at all.
The online page does not have a very detailed interface to view your swing history in the same detail as in the apps and could be improved in my opinion.
There is no shot distance feature but that may be coming soon hopefully.
There could be more detail provided on what the many readings actually mean. There is a little information given but it's not very clear whether the figures recorded are good/ bad / indifferent.

Overall:

I am very pleased with the device. I spent so long swinging with it over the weekend that I gave myself a strain on my thumb. It is so easy to quickly hit many balls into a net that you can overdo things if you're not careful.
I had a vicious slice with my driver that I can see great progress already from the stats. My swing speed of the driver has gone from 80mph to over 90mph too. I find that I can pick on an aspect of my swing to concentrate on during a session and get the instant feedback that I can measure.
This is the key selling point to me. Previously, I went to the range with a vague notion of working on something but came away with no progress because I didn't see any difference in the quality or distance of my shots so I went down many blind alleys.

Good review. Interested in how you increased your club head speed by 10 mphs ?

ForeRight

Can someone analyse my swing please...


http://touch.dailymotion.com/video/x12w1vz_ninja-golf-swing_sport

Derek Zoolander

I've been working with these guys on the lock and cast technique
http://youtu.be/ujJt3ZlN01g

Panrich

alxmorgan wrote: »

Good review. Interested in how you increased your club head speed by 10 mphs ?

Not really sure on that myself. I base lined all my clubs by doing 5 or 6 swings with each the first night.
Since then I have been concentrating on just the 7 iron. I have noticed that I can get over 75mph now from an initial speed of low to mid 60s and that has come mostly by trying to repeat swings that were 'fast' and by degrees I have become more consistently faster. My initial swings with the driver were 78-81mph and now I get 89-91 from very limited swings so the improvements seem to be across all clubs. I might do another baseline this weekend to see how I'm doing.

RonnieL

Panrich wrote: »

Have used the Swingbyte 2 device for over a week now so here's an initial review.

Pros:

I can put the device on any view and get instant feedback from each swing. For instance, I have a terrible issue with an over the top swing and the overhead view draws laser lines of the club path so that you can see at a glance after each swing how you did. 3D of my swing has shown that I was instinctively making a movement in the transition that pushed the clubhead back and this in turn pushed my hands and the shaft forward starting the over the top movement.
I have very poor clubhead speed and each swing gives an instant read that allows you to monitor progress or lack of.
The swing history is great and gives a full record of how you are performing over time. The ability to compare swings is great too.
With practice, the device can be switched from club to club in less than 30 seconds and the app can start recording in less than 10 more.
Swings on one device are visible on all and also on the web within seconds.


Cons:

For me, the unit seems to slip around a bit on certain clubs (my 7 iron in particular) and needs to be re-aligned often. The dust cover of the usb port also seems to pop off too easily in these cases. Maybe the juddering thumps of the ground on my many mi****s are to blame here.
I have a gen1 ipad and Samsung Galaxy S4. The Ipad app has the better interface but as it doesn't have a camera, I can't record my swings in video. The android app does not have the ability to record video at all.
The online page does not have a very detailed interface to view your swing history in the same detail as in the apps and could be improved in my opinion.
There is no shot distance feature but that may be coming soon hopefully.
There could be more detail provided on what the many readings actually mean. There is a little information given but it's not very clear whether the figures recorded are good/ bad / indifferent.

Overall:

I am very pleased with the device. I spent so long swinging with it over the weekend that I gave myself a strain on my thumb. It is so easy to quickly hit many balls into a net that you can overdo things if you're not careful.
I had a vicious slice with my driver that I can see great progress already from the stats. My swing speed of the driver has gone from 80mph to over 90mph too. I find that I can pick on an aspect of my swing to concentrate on during a session and get the instant feedback that I can measure.
This is the key selling point to me. Previously, I went to the range with a vague notion of working on something but came away with no progress because I didn't see any difference in the quality or distance of my shots so I went down many blind alleys.

Good review. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I bought the skypro and I find it really good for lots of the same reasons you are enjoying the swingbyte2. Regarding your point about the device slipping - I think this is one area where the skypro has an edge. Apparently they focussed on this a lot during the design phase, as they felt it was an issue common to most of their competitors. The skypro stays put no matter what - and believe me I bury the club in the ground before the ball frequently. As well as that, the skypro calibration technique seems to be an improvement on how the other devices work - it makes use of your phones accelerometers etc to calibrate the skypro after you've attached it to the club. It means there is no dependency on the user attaching the unit in any one precise location.

Regarding the distance feature, I also read the creators of the skypro have resisted adding the feature, because it would be at best an educated guess, based on club head speed at impact, and assuming a solid strike out of the sweet spot. I see where they're coming from on that one.

spacecoyote

Very tempted by one of these!!!

Have birthday coming up in a couple of weeks, and I'm running out of golf related stuff to buy as none of the bag need any upgrades at the moment.

Assume that this will give feedback on Putter too? ie could get feedback on the arc of your putting stroke?

redhill

Re Swingbyte
Can u video swing with the iPhone or is it just with the iPad?

spacecoyote

Another question on this.

I've an android phone & an iPad. Can I install for both without any issue?

shane0007

Just took delivery of the Swingbyte 2 on Friday & going to take it down the range today.
Do I need to take the iPad or can I take the iPhone & then watch it on the iPad when I get back, i.e. does it upload to a server & is available on all devices?

nialldoy

shane0007 wrote: »

Just took delivery of the Swingbyte 2 on Friday & going to take it down the range today.
Do I need to take the iPad or can I take the iPhone & then watch it on the iPad when I get back, i.e. does it upload to a server & is available on all devices?

You can use either device but you'll need to do the play back on the same device that you've recorded on. If you log into my.swingbyte.com and put in your username and password you'll be able to track all of your saved sessions.

Enjoy :-)

Kevinmarkham

Panrich wrote: »

Not really sure on that myself. I base lined all my clubs by doing 5 or 6 swings with each the first night.
Since then I have been concentrating on just the 7 iron. I have noticed that I can get over 75mph now from an initial speed of low to mid 60s and that has come mostly by trying to repeat swings that were 'fast' and by degrees I have become more consistently faster. My initial swings with the driver were 78-81mph and now I get 89-91 from very limited swings so the improvements seem to be across all clubs. I might do another baseline this weekend to see how I'm doing.

I had lessons last year with David Lewis, the Pro at the Charlesland Driving Range. By changing the angle of my takeaway (making it straighter and steeper), my clubhead speed increased.

shane0007

Just back from the range with it.
Satisfied & dissatisfied really.

Plus:
Very good analysis. Gonna sit down & go through what it all means in relation to my swing. Tried varying my angles according to the results of the previous swing & I could see patterns emerge where I could improve on.

Minus:
The unit itself on my irons which are steel shaft kept moving so I was having to re-align after many shots. How this will affect the angles from shot to shot, I do not know as I am sure I could not have put the back on to within a degree of accuracy each time.
On my woods, they are graphite & never moved once.
The cap with the line on it kept unclipping from the USB connection. I put it back in every time but then I looked down & the whole thing was gone. Searched around & found it only to find the little plastic line had snapped off. How long that will last now is with the lap of the Gods. I hit 136 balls & already the unit has issues.

:-(

Overall:
Very happy with what the unit can do. Gutted over the niggly bits....

nialldoy

Review from Kevin Markham

http://www.theirishgolfblog.com/2013/08/swingbyte-review.html

stockdam

Is Swingbyte accurate enough to be used for putting and chipping?

nialldoy

stockdam wrote: »

Is Swingbyte accurate enough to be used for putting and chipping?

Hi - swingbyte can be used on any club from driver to putter. I have had a few people comment on how useful it is with the putter as it show the club path etc. I have have it very useful for my short game just from working on a consistent tempo with my wedge's

pigeater

Bought the SwingByte 2 last week. I found all the data useful for instant feedback and the 3D animation of the swing, viewable at various angles is handy. However there are issues re slippage of the device on the irons and the USB cover opening during a swing. Also it switches itself off randomly and looses connectivity with bluetooth quite a bit (this may or may not be an issue with my phone). Not too much of a problem but annoying all the same. Would recommend however as the faults are minor compared to the feedback received.

uptheroyals

lads word of warning ive seen swingbyte tested against a trackman and they are extremely inaccurate!! It moves around on almost every shot and the results are so far off in general!!

pigeater

Its a new iPhone5 so I would be surprised if it was the phone. Once I close out of the app and turn the device off and on it seems to work. TBH I haven't tried using the bluetooth for anything else.

shane0007

pigeater wrote: »

Its a new iPhone5 so I would be surprised if it was the phone. Once I close out of the app and turn the device off and on it seems to work. TBH I haven't tried using the bluetooth for anything else.

Mine would not connect to my iPhone 5 but would connect to my iPad mini & iPad 3. I re-booted the iPhone & has worked perfect since, so I would think its on the iPhone side.

I had similar issues with pairing the iPhone 5 & my Parrot hands free phone kit.

shane0007

uptheroyals wrote: »

lads word of warning ive seen swingbyte tested against a trackman and they are extremely inaccurate!! It moves around on almost every shot and the results are so far off in general!!

I would disagree with that. If so, there would be huge variations in my results & only my bad shots had variations. Nearly all my good shots were giving similar results.

uptheroyals

Ive used it with 2 other professionals as a test subject, trackman gave us pretty consistent results, where as swing byte gave us some crazy numbers including a ten degree attack angle!! Think I'd trust a trackman or a flightscope before that!

shane0007

uptheroyals wrote: »

Ive used it with 2 other professionals as a test subject, trackman gave us pretty consistent results, where as swing byte gave us some crazy numbers including a ten degree attack angle!! Think I'd trust a trackman or a flightscope before that!

Jaysus, I just goggled Trackman! $15,000!!!
For what the Swingbyte is achieving, I think I will stick with it & perhaps have a little left over to give my pro a bit for a few lessons....
For me, I am very pleased overall. A few tweaks needed to the device, but with an excellent after sales service, they are certainly on the right track.
Would I have bought it knowing what I know now? Absolutely, yes.

uptheroyals

shane0007 wrote: »

Jaysus, I just goggled Trackman! $15,000!!!
For what the Swingbyte is achieving, I think I will stick with it & perhaps have a little left over to give my pro a bit for a few lessons....
For me, I am very pleased overall. A few tweaks needed to the device, but with an excellent after sales service, they are certainly on the right track.
Would I have bought it knowing what I know now? Absolutely, yes.

I just cant see why you would try to change things based on false/inaccurate results? Not saying to buy a trackman or flightscope but work with a professional who has one??

shane0007

Because I'm not finding the inaccuracies you are. I recently had a lesson with my club pro & he uses something on his iPad to record my swing, etc. Drew lines all over the place & showed me 4 main errors within my swing.
I recognised these errors with the swingbyte & it enticed me to change them as my pro said. On the range, I could see the ball flight results as I consciously changed the parameters & could see the relevant changes on the swingbyte.
Whether the actual angle is right or wrong, for me is irrelevant. It's seeing the swing path overall & being able to break it down into sections. Comparing with pros swings is also an added benefit.

uptheroyals

Ok well first off lines on an i pad dont work as they are 2d where as swing path is 3d, swing byte might give you a rough idea but if its even as little as 4 degrees off, can change your path from 2 degrees in to out to 2 degrees out to in? Inaccurate results mean inaccurate changes

shane0007

I'm no pro, but I know I hit fades & slices. I hit the odd pull which stems from my slice.
Every shot I hit, the Swingbyte told me I hit a fade or a slice. For me, I am a happy customer.
I won't be playing in the Masters next year from using it but if I can feel better about my swing due to it, then it was well worth €150.

stockdam

shane0007 wrote: »

I'm no pro, but I know I hit fades & slices. I hit the odd pull which stems from my slice.
Every shot I hit, the Swingbyte told me I hit a fade or a slice. For me, I am a happy customer.
I won't be playing in the Masters next year from using it but if I can feel better about my swing due to it, then it was well worth €150.

The shape of your shots told you what you were doing wrong so what is the Swingbyte going to tell you that you don't know? How are you going to use it to improve?

(Just playing Devil's advocate).

stockdam

Comments.....

I guess the device uses a cheap inertia navigation chip which isn't going to be that accurate relative to the fine margins of error in a golf shot. I would also doubt if the sample rate was fast enough. It would cost a lot of $$$ to accurately determine what is happening during a full golf shot.

However those are my gut thoughts.

Maybe the device would be more accurate with slower swings (pitches, chips and putts) and as those are the areas that will greatly improve most scores then maybe it has a use.

I haven't seen nor used the product but if it slips then maybe use a small piece of rubber between it and the shaft.

uptheroyals

have to agree, probably works ok on shorter shots but the other issue is calibration!! purely done by eye as far as i could see, trying to line a line on swingbyte up with the face, assuming its correct is what path is pased on, a degree or two right or left will make a huge difference to all the other figures