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Building Control (Amendment) Regulations 2013

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    #782
    Hairy mellon
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Hairy mellon


    Looks like nearly 30% of new self-builds may not happen in 2014

    Due to implentation issues the 6 week delay period in this post may be underestimate:

    The extraordinary cost of BC(A)R SI.9 of 2014 | BRegs Blog
    http://bregsforum.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/the-extraordinary-cost-of-bcar-si-9-of-2014/


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    #783
    strongback
    Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭strongback


    Hairy mellon wrote: »
    Looks like nearly 30% of new self-builds may not happen in 2014

    Due to implentation issues the 6 week delay period in this post may be underestimate:

    The extraordinary cost of BC(A)R SI.9 of 2014 | BRegs Blog
    http://bregsforum.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/the-extraordinary-cost-of-bcar-si-9-of-2014/

    I could easily imagine €4-500 million being lost out on this year but I think it over eggs the pudding for it to be suggested that this happens every year for the next 6 years. In any case losing 5-6,000 jobs this year is definitely not acceptable. It's a bit of a shame the jobs and revenue argument wasn't at the forefront of the argument earlier.


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    #784
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,095 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    i see Chubb insurance has withdrawn from underwriting PI insurance for architects in ireland.


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    #785
    strongback
    Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭strongback


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    i see Chubb insurance has withdrawn from underwriting PI insurance for architects in ireland.


    Wow I didn't expect this. I had no problem getting PI.

    Is there a link to this news?


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    #786
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,763 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Hairy mellon wrote: »
    http://www.louthcoco.ie/en/Services/Building_Control/Guide-to-the-Building-Control-Amendment-Regulations-2014.pdf

    Just got this in the post this morning attached to a planning permission from South Dublin County Council.

    As mentioned already, some of the information contained in this leaflet is simply incorrcet.

    If the LA's/DoECLG cannot advise the public correctly...what hope have we! :mad:


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    #787
    Hairy mellon
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Hairy mellon


    incorrect and contradictory. not helpful for anyone...


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    #788
    Hairy mellon
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Hairy mellon


    strongback wrote: »
    Wow I didn't expect this. I had no problem getting PI.

    Is there a link to this news?

    is there a link to this?


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    #789
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,095 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    strongback wrote: »
    Wow I didn't expect this. I had no problem getting PI.

    Is there a link to this news?

    do you honestly expect a press release?


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    #790
    Hairy mellon
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Hairy mellon


    where did you find out info?


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    #791
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,095 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Hairy mellon wrote: »
    where did you find out info?

    pm sent


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    #792
    strongback
    Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭strongback


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    do you honestly expect a press release?

    I expect when such a significant development is being reported it should have a source.

    Have Chubb said they will not underwrite any architects in Ireland full stop or is this the response to one architectural practice. There is a big difference between the two.

    Is this based on a telephone conversation to a broker?


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    #793
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,095 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    pm sent


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    #794
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Hairy mellon wrote: »
    local authority guidance to si9 here:
    http://www.louthcoco.ie/en/Services/Building_Control/Guide-to-the-Building-Control-Amendment-Regulations-2014.pdf
    mullingar wrote: »
    Thats brilliant in such an Irish way.
    Preferably? Are they suggesting that its NOT mandatory and a self-builder can technically assign him/herself?
    Ok, as a self builder I must still nominate an Assigned Certifier and I can sign the Undertaking by Builder document.
    Interesting interpretation of the legislation by the Coco.
    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Just got this in the post this morning attached to a planning permission from South Dublin County Council.
    As mentioned already, some of the information contained in this leaflet is simply incorrcet.
    If the LA's/DoECLG cannot advise the public correctly...what hope have we! :mad:
    anyone commented Louth coco on document?


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    #795
    DOCARCH
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    BryanF wrote: »
    anyone commented Louth coco on document?

    This is not a Louth CC document. This is published by DoECLG!!! Makes it significantly worse/more annoying!


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    #796
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,095 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    usually at this stage we see 'leaked' documentation from government to LA's on how to implement new regulations.

    To date there has been none leaked, none that ive seen anyway.
    With the implementation date only 2 weeks away surely the DOE have instructed BCOs on how to implement the regs.

    That would / should give a fairly definitive view as to the whole "self builder / builder certifier" question.


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    #797
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,095 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    looking at that 'public guidance' in more detail... it seems pretty clear to me that the Department deem it ok that a novice unregistered 'self builder' can nominate themselves as the 'certifying builder'....

    which is completely at odds with SI9 AND the Code of practise.

    again i say, what a clusterfcuk !!!!!!


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    #798
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    This is not a Louth CC document. This is published by DoECLG!!! Makes it significantly worse/more annoying!

    :confused:


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    #799
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,763 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    clusterfcuk

    That nicely sums it up. 11 working days to go! :p....:eek:


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    #800
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    usually at this stage we see 'leaked' documentation from government to LA's on how to implement new regulations.

    To date there has been none leaked, none that ive seen anyway.
    With the implementation date only 2 weeks away surely the DOE have instructed BCOs on how to implement the regs.

    That would / should give a fairly definitive view as to the whole "self builder / builder certifier" question.

    that would only work the Government actually gave the LA some documentation! None so far.


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    #801
    Hairy mellon
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Hairy mellon


    kceire wrote: »
    that would only work the Government actually gave the LA some documentation! None so far.

    So, there we have it

    Incorrect guidance issues to local authorities for curculation to public.

    Implementation will be an unholy mess

    No mention of residential extensions that require planning under 40sqm- one would assume reading the regs this will be qualitying work also coming inder si9...


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    #802
    DOCARCH
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    Hairy mellon wrote: »
    No mention of residential extensions that require planning under 40sqm- one would assume reading the regs this will be qualitying work also coming inder si9...

    Well...we know that bit. Extensions under 40m.sq. (planning required or no planning required) are exempt from SI 9 and have always been since the inception of the proposed regulations.


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    #803
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Hairy mellon wrote: »
    No mention of residential extensions that require planning under 40sqm- one would assume reading the regs this will be qualitying work also coming inder si9...

    They are SI9 exempt.
    its in all the guidance documents.


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    #804
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    The worrying thing about the guidance document is that it seems to agree with the explanation given by minister Hogan a few weeks ago. It would lead me to question whether the CIRI registration proposal is now necessary or relevant.


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    #805
    4Sticks
    Registered Users Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭4Sticks


    I'll show my age and say it's like when Pamela Ewing discovered that Bobbys' death was just a dream...


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    #806
    Hairy mellon
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Hairy mellon


    lol


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    #807
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    4Sticks wrote: »
    I'll show my age and say it's like when Pamela Ewing discovered that Bobbys' death was just a dream...

    I dunno, I think the way this country has gone its more of a nightmare that a dream, but I acknowledge its a dream for some.;)


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    #808
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    back to discussion on BCA please!


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    #809
    mickdw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,285 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    So into the future where every house will have a file held by the bca with the various certs etc. How does one go about regularising a property that for whatever reason was non compliant.


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    #810
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,095 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    mickdw wrote: »
    So into the future where every house will have a file held by the bca with the various certs etc. How does one go about regularising a property that for whatever reason was non compliant.

    You can't. There is no facility to under these regs. If you are the home owner you could find yourself at "the long arm of the law"


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    #811
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Sys explain a bit more on this, please.

    is it not just a retention application and submission of an 'as-built' dwg to the LA


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