Quick,probably stupid, question....

MazzR

Does vaping help exercise? I just bought my 1st e-cig last week and so far,so good. But,one of the (many) reasons I wanted to give up smoking was to see an improvement in my fitness. I try to run but the fags were holding me back. Please tell me that this won't be the case with the e-cig!!!
Thanks

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

after a few weeks you'll notice your lungs clearing up as you've quit inhaling smoke, other than that it shouldn't help or hurt.

MazzR

Thanks, wrong use of words there, I meant does it not hinder exercise as much as smoking does!

Thecageyone

I can't imagine how it would hinder in any way. Vaping is no worse than using patches or nico-gum regularly. It's the tar, carbon monoxide and tonnes of other gunk in fags that kill the lungs. I know my breathing has vastly improved since I quit those and started vaping, if that's anything to go ob.

StickyIcky

Thecageyone wrote: »

I can't imagine how it would hinder in any way. Vaping is no worse than using patches or nico-gum regularly. It's the tar, carbon monoxide and tonnes of other gunk in fags that kill the lungs. I know my breathing has vastly improved since I quit those and started vaping, if that's anything to go ob.

Studies have shown that vaping reducing lung capacity a bit. No way close to smoking. But still if you're inhaling vapour all the all the time, it stands to reason there's not going to be as much space in there for air anymore. However if you stop vaping I'm pretty sure that would clear up in a matter of days.

was.deevey

Studies have shown that vaping reducing lung capacity a bit. No way close to smoking. But still if you're inhaling vapour all the all the time, it stands to reason there's not going to be as much space in there for air anymore.

I believe the study showed that WHILE vaping there was not as much oxygen going into the lungs (stands to reason), but the actual lung capacity itself was not decreased by tar buildup in the same way as smoking tobacco.

Your capacity will certainly increase being off the fags, mine has by a huge amount.

GobblyNob

It takes over two years for the lungs to get back to normal....

But anyway, I cycle an hour a day for work and it's getting easier. When I arrive in work I'm no longer a panting bag of sweat. In fact there's hardly any sweat at all, compared to when I started cycling to work in January. So I guess that means I'm getting fitter.

Although there's one pain in the arse: I've been vaping for 7 months now and I STILL HAVE THE ****ING WHEEZY LUNGS!!! WHEN IS THIS GOING TO GO AWAY??

Anyone?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

mine went away in a few weeks.... although I was only smoking for about a decade

MazzR

Thanks all. I went for a run this evening and felt awful, like I was suffocating. I can't describe the feeling, like I needed to peuk, from my lungs. Hope this passes soon

Mr. Chrome

MazzR wrote: »

Thanks all. I went for a run this evening and felt awful, like I was suffocating. I can't describe the feeling, like I needed to peuk, from my lungs. Hope this passes soon

You might want to get that checked by a doctor if you can, it could just be a chest infection or you might be allergic to pg.

Green Hornet

I'm vaping 18 months or so now but I think I'm developing an allergy to PG because I'm getting a bit wheezy at night too. I bought some VG juice and should have it tomorrow or Wed to try out.

sept09baby

MazzR wrote: »

Thanks all. I went for a run this evening and felt awful, like I was suffocating. I can't describe the feeling, like I needed to peuk, from my lungs. Hope this passes soon

Have you been off the cigs long? You only bought your ecig a week ago. Even if you haven't had a cigarette since then it'll take a lot longer for your lungs to recover from the damage years of smoking has done.

If this reaction is new (you didn't feel like that when you smoked) you should def see a doctor. Could be an infection or an allergic reaction as Mr. Chrome has said

unblvlblkult

MazzR wrote: »

Thanks all. I went for a run this evening and felt awful, like I was suffocating. I can't describe the feeling, like I needed to peuk, from my lungs. Hope this passes soon

In fairness you're only a week off the smokes so give your lungs a chance to clear. Also nicotine is a stimulant and increases you heart rate and blood pressure so if you're going out for a run leave off the e-cig for a few hours before. When you're taking up exercising after a break you should take it easy on yourself. Jog at a comfortable pace... Don't get out of breath and adjust your pace accordingly.

Mr. Chrome

.....and it might be all the crap that has built up in your lungs from smoking clearing itself.

GobblyNob

Mr. Chrome wrote: »

.....and it might be all the crap that has built up in your lungs from smoking clearing itself.

That explanation, along with "it's your body clearing toxins" is thrown around way too much in ecig forums.


"Huy guize, i started vapping last week and my leg fell off and my eyes have become gangrenous".

"It's probably just your body getting rid of toxins."


One of my pet peeves of the vape world.

was.deevey

That explanation, along with "it's your body clearing toxins" is thrown around way too much in ecig forums.

Its true with virtually every ex-smoker I know regardless of which method of quitting they chose they were in pieces for weeks / months.

However, yes, it obviously could be an allergy to PG or simply that juice is too strong.

Thanks all. I went for a run this evening and felt awful, like I was suffocating. I can't describe the feeling, like I needed to peuk, from my lungs. Hope this passes soon

Sorry to say It gets worse before it gets better, I was coughing up ****e for months once I started Vaping full time (I had cut down to 2 or 3 fags a day for 2 years odd).

Once that muck cleared up though I can run, swim and generally exercise without feeling like i'm going to die any given second. Certainly my lung capacity has improved HUGELY and can now hold my breath for almost a whole length of the pool rather than gasping and spluttering 4 or 5 times for air.

Also my BP and heart rate has got to a nice "fit" level (where it had been pretty damn high before), and returns to a resting bpm wayyyyy faster than it did before.

Its really going to depend how long you were a smoker, how many per day, what kind of fags. Just don't expect to go from unhealthy to healthy overnight. Pushing too hard could do you more damage depending on how badly the fags affected you in the first place.

grindle

GobblyNob wrote: »

One of my pet peeves of the vape world.

It's been thrown around forums by people who have been vaping for years because a lot of people have had these temporary effects when giving up.
If you think it's all bullshítting then come up with your own more probable explanation - until then, Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well the fact that "toxins" is one of those undefined bull**** hippy words is a pretty big point in gobbly's favour

now if you'll excuse me, my green tea enema is ready

MazzR

What's pg? No, today is only day 3 vaping... Might get it checked. Will see how I am later

was.deevey

well the fact that "toxins" is one of those undefined bull**** hippy words is a pretty big point in gobbly's favour

How about: The excess Mucous and Phlegm Starts to loosen its grip of your lungs and throat?

The toxins in this case are not the undefined hippy crap but the 4000+ chemicals that you were inhaling with cigarette smoke trapped in your body that it wants and needs to get rid of. Seeing as the susbstance(s) are not being inhaled anymore its going to want to move while the exit is all clear.

Smokers frequently suffer mucous build-up in their airways. This condition is referred to as chronic mucus hypersecretion, or CMH. It happens because smokers' lungs make more mucus in an effort to clear away toxins inhaled with smoke. As thick and gooey mucus fills the airways, it gets harder to clear it all away. Bacteria and viruses thrive in these conditions, frequently leading to smokers catching colds.

Increased Production
Cigarette smoke contains tiny particles, also referred to as particulate matter, of toxic substances. Your body's natural reaction is to get rid of the toxins, and one way to achieve this is to trap toxic particles in mucus and then clear it away. According to a 2010 report in the journal "Toxicology In Vitro," L.E. Haswell et al. were able to demonstrate that cigarette smoke causes the lungs to make more cells which are capable of secreting mucus via a mechanism called mucociliary differentiation. That simply means that production of new cells in the lungs is geared toward making the cells capable of secreting mucus. As more mucus-secreting cells are made in the smoker's lungs, they produce more mucus.

Decreased Clearance From Airways
There are miniature hairs in human airways called cilia. Cilia move rhythmically to clear away mucus, a process referred to as mucociliary clearance. Smoking causes slower movement and shorter length of cilia, as reported in PLoS One by P.L. Leopold and colleagues in 2009. As smokers produce more mucus to begin with, damaged cilia can't keep up with clearing away the mucus from the airways.


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/272110-smoking-mucus/#ixzz2PxBntisP

unblvlblkult

Course there is no scientific evidence that vaping doesn't have a similar effect on the lungs, even if it is, perhaps (hopefully), to a lesser extent. Cig. smokers can excersize regularly and have quite good physical signs; hell it'll even help their lungs clear and increse capacity; it doesn't mean their lungs/bodies aren't under attack from all the nasties.

Simplest explaination, to my mind at least, is that OP hasn't been excersizing much, he's not in the best of shape and now that he's quit the smokes and got a bit of positivity he's going at it gung-ho.

quitting smokes does not equals fit take it easy on yourself and go at a pace that is comfortable; you'll enjoy it more and be more likely to keep it up. my €.02

Mr. Chrome

MazzR wrote: »

What's pg? No, today is only day 3 vaping... Might get it checked. Will see how I am later

Juice is usually made up of a combination of pg-propylene glycol and vg-vegetable glycerin. Some use 100% of either. Some people are allergic to pg so they use vg only.
Sounds more like your just clearing out your lungs but if it continues get it checked.
Just make sure your legs and eyes havent fallen off, cause that could be bad man!!
Peace out ;-)

MazzR

Quote:
Simplest explaination, to my mind at least, is that OP hasn't been excersizing much, he's not in the best of shape and now that he's quit the smokes and got a bit of positivity he's going at it gung-ho.

No, I wouldn't consider myself very unfit, run 5-10k 4-5 days a week and do workout dvds everyday as well as cycle, just that I expected to feel better fagless while exercising,not worse.
Oh, and I'm a she!!!

Lucutus

Fair play, I'd find it hard to run up a few flights of stairs!

Try to give your body some more time to adjust to not smoking, I felt a little uncomfortable at first with it, strange chest feeling, even the odd palpatation after I switched to vaping, I put it down to adjusting to the lack of smoking rather than vaping.

The benefits, (return of sense of smell/taste, better lung capacity etc) took a couple of weeks to kick in for sure...

grindle

MazzR wrote: »

Quote:
...I expected to feel better fagless while exercising,not worse.

Have you tried to quit before? The majority feel worse before they feel better, no matter what the quitting method is.
Quitter's flu is very common and despite what's said in online articles it seems to have very little to do with nicotine withdrawal, otherwise ecig users either wouldn't get it or wouldn't suffer as severely as somebody who quits cold turkey (the nicotine delivery isn't as efficient but neither were the weeks where I tried weaning and had 3-5 a day and suffered no quitter's flu), so they'll have to search for a new scapegoat to blame that on.

StickyIcky

MazzR wrote: »

No, I wouldn't consider myself very unfit, run 5-10k 4-5 days a week and do workout dvds everyday as well as cycle, just that I expected to feel better fagless while exercising,not worse.

There's been many people who have reported health issues when stopping smoking and starting vaping. Ranging from sore throat, to dry lips, to dizzy, to coughing. I'm no doctor or health expert at all, so my uneducated observation is that these symptoms are your body adapting to a massive change in chemistry. This adaptation could take a few weeks. Most peoples problems with adapting to the change seemed to go away in a couple of weeks. However everyones wisest advice is to consult a health professional if you're feeling at all uneasy about your health.

MazzR wrote: »

Oh, and I'm a she!!!

Sorry we don't get many women folk round these parts, that and half of us are obviously hippies who say man and dude no matter what gender you might be.

MazzR

Ah hey hippy dudes!! Thanks for the info. I will relax so and continue

unblvlblkult

MazzR wrote: »

Quote:
Simplest explaination, to my mind at least, is that OP hasn't been excersizing much, he's not in the best of shape and now that he's quit the smokes and got a bit of positivity he's going at it gung-ho.

No, I wouldn't consider myself very unfit, run 5-10k 4-5 days a week and do workout dvds everyday as well as cycle, just that I expected to feel better fagless while exercising,not worse.
Oh, and I'm a she!!!

LOL.. Soz... and that's me told!!:o tho you did say you tried to run but the smokes were holding you back... 20km a week is very respectable

Dubba

As others have said it's probably your lungs clearing out. I'm off the smokes and vaping nearly two months now and it has really helped with the cycling I do - can go faster for longer, probably due to an increase in lung capacity.

Also what was.deevey posted above about smokers build up of excess Mucous and Phlegm was defiantly true in my case - that constant feeling of needing to cough something up got very annoying and worrying. What I found was for a few hard efforts on the bike, was that I was coughing up a load of gunk and I even felt quite ill from it at the time. This was really only for a couple of sessions, so if you're like me it should clear up pretty fast. You could try going out for some runs over the next few days and see does it sort itself out.

GobblyNob

Wait till you get your first flu after quitting. The amount of ****e that comes up. Brown porridge is the only way to describe it. Liters of the shtuff.

MazzR

Morning dudes, dudettes? Moan if the day: sore throat.
I gave up last year for four months on the champix but never had these symptoms or coughed up anything...

Mr. Chrome

'shampix' aint too popular around these parts. One thing that hasnt been asked is what juice are you using? What mg(strength) is it? What brand? What device and voltage are you using? What have you got on top of your device?
Seems like alot of info but the more we know, the more we can help.
I get a sore throat in the mornings(i vape quiet alot in bed while reading or watching vaping vids) all the time but drinking water and coffee gets rid of that.
I still think the lung thing is simply your lungs clearing themselves of nasty gunk but to be safe get it checked if it continues.
Tbh its still early days for you and you need to give it a chance, unless it becomes worse.

rui1000

try to use a eliquid with higher concentration of vg vs pg ?

StickyIcky

Morning chick. Unfortunately I can't really chime in with any definitive advice but of course I'm concerned for you. Maybe see a doctor just to be on the safe side?

The main ingredients (and should be the only ingredients) of e-liquid are
PG (Propylene glycol which is an approved food additive)
VG (vegetable glycerin is the same)
Distilled water (maybe)
Flavourings (all food approved esp if you buy the liquid for a high quality manufacturer)
Nicotine (can cause temporary vascular restriction during use and elevated heart rate etc but apart from that it's fairly safe in low doses)

Some people are allergic to PG. So it's possible you're suffering side effects of an allergy. Good news is there are PG free e-liquids out there. Or it could be that you're body is just getting used to this whole new chemistry.

In any case I'm interested to find out what happens to people who suffer some sort of physical effects when switching from smoke to vapour. So far everyone has come round within a few short weeks and end up feeling a million times better. However I'm still interested as I recommend vaping to people and it's good to learn from others experiences. Hope you get sorted. If you're worried at all see the doc.

was.deevey

My Father in Law ended up with an extreamly bad throat for a while.

Turned out he didnt realize he needed to put the juice in the cart when it started tasting burned and was just "smoking" the wadding :-s

MazzR

Don't think they are the thing around here but "greensmoke" is what I got. I'm finding it the business. Havent even had to charge it yet. Saw it in local chemist last week and said i'd give it a whirl as i know nothing about all the ones on the market

sept09baby

I found I had a dry/sore throat for a couple of weeks and was dehydrated. Just drank plenty of water and it passed quickly.

I don't know the pg/vg ratio for the brand you're using - does it say it on the box? How often do you change the cartridge? If you're using a dry carto I can imagine that wouldn't be good for the throat either

MazzR

No,it doesnt say on the box.

StickyIcky

I'd say that will be a PG/VG mix more than likely.

You can refil the cartomisers (the things that look like a filter). If you buy a bottle of e-liquid it's much cheaper than buying prefilled cartomisers. The hard part is finding an e-liquid you really like.

This video shows how to refil one.
http://youtu.be/CeaqRV4PmzA?t=1m54s

If you take off the little while end cap you can look inside and see the filler material, after some time and experience you can gauge by the look of the filler material how full or empty it is.

You can refil them a few times before they get a little clogged up or the coil burns out and the cartomiser needs to be disposed.

So like Septbaby says make sure you don't vape it to the point it's dry and burning. You will be able to tell, but some people you have to point out to them this can actually happen Also like Septbaby says vaping dehydrates you. Something about the PG and VG actually pulling extra moisture from your mouth out with the vapour. So drink an extra glass or two of water a day. We should all drink more water anyway Now this vaping gives us a reason too :P

tipptom

StickyIcky wrote: »

I'd say that will be a PG/VG mix more than likely.

You can refil the cartomisers (the things that look like a filter). If you buy a bottle of e-liquid it's much cheaper than buying prefilled cartomisers. The hard part is finding an e-liquid you really like.

This video shows how to refil one.
http://youtu.be/CeaqRV4PmzA?t=1m54s

If you take off the little while end cap you can look inside and see the filler material, after some time and experience you can gauge by the look of the filler material how full or empty it is.

You can refil them a few times before they get a little clogged up or the coil burns out and the cartomiser needs to be disposed.

So like Septbaby says make sure you don't vape it to the point it's dry and burning. You will be able to tell, but some people you have to point out to them this can actually happen Also like Septbaby says vaping dehydrates you. Something about the PG and VG actually pulling extra moisture from your mouth out with the vapour. So drink an extra glass or two of water a day. We should all drink more water anyway Now this vaping gives us a reason too :P

I still have the vip ciggs that I started on,meaning to start on the juice starter kits but this is still going,could i put juice in to that and can some one tell me what the proper name is for what I am smoking now and the name for what the guy has in the video,is mine disposable and his juice or is that then confusing it with these one-of disposable jobbies that are bought in Centra etc.Its just that I find I cant explain it properly to people when I am trying to explain to them that there are better options for them than what i have when they say mine is very weak.

StickyIcky

Okay the cigarette like batteries are called 510 batteries
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/6402/products/e-cig-510-battery_large.jpg?475

The bigger 'pen sized' or small cigar sized one are eGo batteries
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/640151658/the_best_quality_ego_battery_650_9001100mah.jpg

I THINK both give out 3.7 volts of power.

The atomiser (which heats the liquid creating the vapour) can be of various 'resistance' usually from 1.8 ohms to 2.8 ohms. The lower the resistance the more power (or watts) comes out of the battery.

So if you want a really good hit, use a low resistance atomiser, but because it uses more power your battery doesn't last as long. Visa versa for high resistance.

Also you can get eGo Twist batteries which have a little power nob on the end. You can change the voltage from something like 3.2 Volts to 4.8 Volts. So you can adjust the power on the fly. This is known as variable voltage.

You probably can put juice into your VIP kit but I dunno.... if the cartomiser looks like the one in that video then yes. I dont' know much about VIP except that they aren't disposable as such. The battery is rechargable. The cartomiser is probably disposable but it can probably be refilled too.

You can only refil a cartomiser a few times before it starts to perform poorly and needs to be replaced completely (i.e. chuck in it in the bin and start using a fresh new one.)

Hope that is what you wanted to know exactly and answers all your questions without it being confusing.

MazzR

DO ye know what? I have been up since 6.30,in bed since 10pm last night and haven't vaped since before bed! I'm thinking i'll keep goin without and see how I get on...This is new to me. I've given up once before like I said previously on champix but still craved. I tried giving up before with patches,inhaler,cold turkey but never lasted a day and was always extremely moody. But, this time feels good. And i know ots not even a full 24 hours without vaping but even in the last few days,it was only a quick puff every few hours. So, maybe I don't belong here...

StickyIcky

You can use vaping as a cessation aid. I vape feck all really. I just enjoy it from time to time. Few times a day. Constantly if I drink. I've gone days without it.

Personally I think if you can take it or leave it, that's the way to be. If you do feel like inhaling something, inhale an e-cig. If you don't good on you. Cigarettes are far more addictive as they have other chemicals which increase the effects and addictiveness of nicotine plus all the other chemicals your body is used to getting. Vaping has a handful of chemicals, all of which are relatively harmless, cigs have hundreds of harmful ones.

I wouldn't want to be particularly addicted to nicotine or alcohol or anything. But I think I am addicted to cups of tea... I could go without vaping but I couldn't go without cups of tea. Anyways, if you don't belong here then I'd be perfectly happy with that dude

grindle

StickyIcky wrote: »

...if you don't belong here then I'd be perfectly happy with that dude

Meeeeeeeow.

MazzR

Oooh Meeeeeeeeeow is right!!!! What did I do???

StickyIcky

Nooooo I didn't mean it that way! Crap when you highlight that part and put meow it does seem a bit harsh alright.

No I mean't if you're happy off the smokes and not vaping entirely then more power to you. In that regard, if you're saying you don't belong here then I'm happy for you (dude-ette)

Jeezzzz. :P

I know Grindles just messing with me but since ur new around here maybe you .. I dunno Imma shuddup now before I say anything else *zip*

grindle

Oh yeah, MazzR and me planned this days ago... All went according to plan.

StickyIcky wrote: »

*zip*

But it wasn't that good that I'd unzip myself. WTF is wrong with you? :eek:

MazzR

Maybe my feelings were hurt *sniff*. (Most likely cause I'm a girl).
JOKE!!!!! Ok

StickyIcky

MazzR wrote: »

(Most likely cause I'm a girl).
JOKE!!!!!

I knew you had to be joking about being a girl. I mean what girl would hang out with us!?!

grindle wrote: »

But it wasn't that good that I'd unzip myself. WTF is wrong with you? :eek:

See what I mean! :pac: Well dudes I'm glad that's all sorted now! Eveything back to normal nothing to see here nothing to see here.

tipptom

Thanks for that Sticky.Running out of the vIP soon,so wondering if I take a step up now on a starter juice or take a chance on going cold turkey.

grindle

Pick up a cheap starter set at the very least, just in case. If you slip and go back on cigs it'll cost a lot more than having a backup.