WM 29 Aftermath thread

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All results discussion etc here.

SlickRic

watched it this morning.

as usual, the showmanship of the event was first class.

Punk/Taker was easily MOTN. i'd just advise people to watch it. nuff said. they quite literally stole the show. no other match got near it.

HHH/Lesnar was disappointing. Lesnar was incredibly good, but people just don't give much of a shíte about HHH as he or WWE maybe thinks they do. some of his promos in the build-up were met with no reaction, and much of this match was met with no reaction. between most knowing he was winning, the fact that the "retirement" stip was stupid, and the fact nobody cared, it really hurt the match. compare it to the reaction of Cena/Brock, and you'll see what I mean.

Rock/Cena was passable, but nobody cared, least of all Rock. it was hilarious how much he was going through the motions, especially with the "passing of the torch" moment. though the pop for Cena winning was loltastic after all the booing.

Cena's now beaten HHH to get him over as champion near the very start. he's beaten HBK, Mr Wrestlemania, in the main event. he's had Austin "pass him the torch" at Austin HOF ceremony, and now had The Rock put him over. I'm no Cena hater, but that's an incredible litany of launchpads to try and get a guy over as a face. mental.

i'd guess that he's feuding with Mark Henry soon. that's the only way I can explain Henry winning, with Ryback still getting a Shellshock moment. very weird otherwise.

it was sold as a 3-match card. one delivered big time for the crowd (Punk/Taker). one will deliver the buys (Cena/Rock). 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

just one more thing on Taker. The Streak must not end while he can still do his one match a year. it's the best story every year, and has been for a while.

Bryan Alvarez put it best IMO:

Best story every year is the new poor bloke tryin so hard to beat Undertaker and failing

FutureGuy

I just wasn't feeling the WM magic last night. Stunned at the decision not to pur Ryback over. It makes no sense. They really must have huge plans for Henry now.

Giving Jack Swagger a jobber entrance is equally rediculous.

I slept well over the weekend, the snacks were in and I was all set to watch. I actually turned it off before Del Rio made his entrance.

Looking at the results, I'm actually delighted I did. I'll catch the Taker Punk match this evening with the gf but that's it.

EDIT: I did enjoy The Shield though.

2nd Row Donkey

Shield match had some great spots, typical fast paced opening match that you want at a WM 8/10

Ryback/Henry was great, the shellshock was 1 of only 2 or 3 true wrestlmania moments this year but should have been handled much better. 8/10

Hell no match was okay, the YES chanting by the crowd at the end was highlight of the night 8/10

Punk/Taker was excelllent, but felt it could have went on a couple more minutes and although the amount of finishers and kick out's in the other main events was OTT, I thought this match lacked a few more near falls. 9/10

Everyting else was 5 or 6/10, although I was impressed with Lesner's charachter and story telling.

Tinie

glad I went to bed after the punk taker match. Another poor mania.

Ando's Saggy Bottom

Solid rather than spectacular show. Taker/Punk was excellent. Punk is the man these days and rises to every challenge put in front of him. Taker is just ridiculous to still be doing this stuff every year. Brock was immense too I thought. A great performance.

Rock though. Seriously f*ck him at this stage. He looked so half hearted. Felt bad that Cena was the guy getting booed more when his opponent is the one taking the p*ss.

St.Spodo

For me, this is the first Wrestlemania I can recall where I just didn't feel the buzz. It seemed like the crowd felt this way too at times, and this hurt the event and the matches, particularly Cena/Rock and Triple H/Lesnar. It's hard to create a buzz of excitement when the results are as predictable as they were. Punk/Taker was great, though. They stole the show. Mediocre enough otherwise.

SlickRic

on reflection, i don't think predictability was the issue.

the result of Punk/Taker was utterly predictable, but the build was believable, and the matchup is fresh. Punk is a star, and Taker is THE special attraction at Mania.

HHH/Lesnar suffered because it was a rematch, and HHH isn't the star he or WWE thinks he is (look at the lack of reaction for promos and match). the "retirement" stip also didn't help. it's a pity, because you have the perfect opponent in Lesnar. he's a phenomenal specimen, and has improved in-ring no end. i'm delightfully surprised by how seriously he seems to have taken it.

Cena/Rock suffered because the build was shít, and because it was a rematch between a stale character whose been on top for a decade, and a part-time Hollywood star who wasn't particularly arsed.

Hercule

solid if unremarkable - ticked along quite nicely with few low moments - Unfortunately, had few high moments excluding some spots in the punk/taker match and the beast that was brock lesnar - no ziggler cash-in was a major disappointment - Nothing surprising otherwise.

I felt (and I see I am not alone on this) it was predictable as hell - with little or no curve balls, regret not going down the accumulator route (mind you Henry's win would have thrown me regardless) - I think WWE worked themselves into a storyline corner and the payoffs for the various storylines were weak.

feel sorry for Chris Jericho

SlickRic

also, Punk and Taker deserve heaps of credit for giving that level of match:

1) without the Championship involved (which I still think should've happened), and;

2) without incessant near falls.

I was never that big a fan of Taker through the years. I didn't get it. the last 6 Wrestlemanias have changed that. it's incredible what he can still do.

SirDelboy18

Common sense would dictate that you take the guy that gets the most boos and you make him one of your top heels. Now I'm well past the stage where I lobby for the Cena turn, I've accepted it, but even still it's baffling that your top face gets more heat than your top heel on the biggest night of the year. Says a lot.

Remainder of my views were in the other thread, all I'll say is that it's going to be an interesting Raw to see what happens from here.

Lord TSC

Agreed with the "Solid but unremarkable" sentiment.

Ryback/Henry proves wins and losses mean absolutely nothing, and I'm utterly baffled by Henry getting the pinfall, and then them putting Ryback over 30 seconds later. I don't think I've seen a character as messed up as Ryback in recent times. At one stage, I thought we had the next Cena on our hands, but I think he's lost at 6 consecutive PPVs now, and his reaction has faltered as a result.

Otherwise, every match on the undercard was solid, if predictable (not always bad to be predictable, mind, and in most cases, the right man won).

Taker vs Punk was great. But it seemed to kill the crowd, cause after that match, the audience seemed to go silent for the rest of the show. HHH and Lesnar played out in front of a dead crowd, and it was pretty obvious the fans didn't care about it or Cena/Rock.

There's been a debate about predictablity in recent weeks, and for me, these last two matches were the bad kind of it. Taker/Punk was predictable, but that didn't hurt the match at all, because everyone knows it was the right story and the right decision to have Taker go over Punk. But in Cena/Rock AND HHH/Brock, it was the wrong type of predictability. All four men seemed to just go through the motions to get to the end, the crowd didn't care about anything since as time went on, it became obvious what was going to happen, and it doesn't provide much in terms of interesting storylines for tonight.

For instance, I can't wait to see Punk's reaction to the loss tonight on Raw. While the result was predictable, it provides a storyline tonight that will draw in crowds. Meanwhile, I can't imagine anyone is all that set for the Cena/Rock lovefest we'll likely get, nor the HHH 20 minute promo. Neither of those results sell Raw tonight as a must see show. Even if they wanted Cena and HHH to win (and I fully understand the arguements for those results), they could have achieved the result with a most captivating ending. But both wins were decisive, and both leave zero hooks for Raw tonight unless they decide to rehash something.

the groutch

I think the fact that the poll has had 26 votes so far and 6 is the highest anyone's given speaks volumes.

Garseys

Punk/Taker made the show for me. Incredible match. Undertaker still the highlight of every WM. Rest of the card was pretty lacklustre. Brock/Hunter was killed by being after Punk/Taker. They're really needed to be a filler match inbetween those two.

DM_7

I will talk about the undercard to start with

I thought the first hour was very good for a wrestlemania.

The opener was excellent for the time they got. 4 really good moments in the end sequence that really elevated the match. Glad they kept the Shield winning. Also, on reflection I am genuinely Happy they had Big Show crack both Sheamus and Orton, Big Show had a really good two years in WWE and has put so many people over and made them look good. He has had enough Wrestlemania's where he looks like a fool! Nice to see him standing tall among some good star power for once. I was glad Orton didn't have a heel turn after.

Henry v Ryback was pretty good for the Big men, Ryback managed to get some support going after Henry Dominated and he him the meat hook. Ending shocked me, then Ryback getting some revenge shocked me as well. Ryback still got his mania moment and Henry gets to stay towards the top of the card. I would love to see him get a chance t chase the WWE title.

Team Hell No v Big E and Ziggler started brilliantly. The crowd loved it, I loved it. The match itself went well and Daniel Bryan getting the win was another crowd pleasing moment.

Jericho curse was back in business. Fandango did a great job of being annoying and right until the end where they messed it up Jericho was looking great. Its not a match I'm keen on watching again though.

Del Rio v Swagger was a good match. I think it needed a little longer to elevate it into very good. Del Rio is so much better as a face than I ever expected he would be. The swapping of submission holds, Swaggers Gut Wrench, the strong kicks, the involvement of Zeb and Zebs reactions were all perfect and what I wanted to see during the match.


Also Miz v Barrett was grand on the pre show. Miz showed some great energy I though and the babyface win and title change was a good way to kick things off.

cena

anyone know if the cena/ rock match is online.

I just don't understand why wwe have kept swagger this long?

SlickRic

HHH's win being that decisive was bullshít though, and I don't care what anyone says.

utter short-sighted nonsense to not even have some sort of massive beatdown. even when John Cena won at Extreme Rules, Brock looked like an animal, and the only thing they did wrong IMO was that Cena did his speech at the end.

HHH's win was far too decisive.

yes, they can probably build him up somewhat, but they are banking on the vast majority of their fans having little to zero memory. Brock is quite obviously very beatable. Cena's could be seen as a shot in the dark win out of nowhere. HHH's, not so.

very disappointing.

SlickRic

Garseys wrote: »

Brock/Hunter was killed by being after Punk/Taker. They're really needed to be a filler match inbetween those two.

i'd vouch that it wouldn't have made that much of a difference.

too much stock is put into these filler matches being needed to buffer between the big matches.

if the build is good, and the crowd care about both guys, then it's not going to matter much. the crowd will get into it regardless.

DM_7

One thing WWE should do is give guys more ways of ending matches over the next year. The normal finishers are expected to be kicked out of now and whatever about the end result being predictable it hurts the energy of a match if a kick out is predictable.

SlickRic wrote: »

HHH's win being that decisive was bullshít though, and I don't care what anyone says.

utter short-sighted nonsense to not even have some sort of massive beatdown. even when John Cena won at Extreme Rules, Brock looked like an animal, and the only thing they did wrong IMO was that Cena did his speech at the end.

HHH's win was far too decisive.

yes, they can probably build him up somewhat, but they are banking on the vast majority of their fans having little to zero memory. Brock is quite obviously very beatable. Cena's could be seen as a shot in the dark win out of nowhere. HHH's, not so.

very disappointing.

I didn't mind the way HHH won, it took everything to stop him. I thought the standing tall stuff at the end was unnecessary though.

Grand Moff Tarkin

The Streak lives and Paul E tasted some SCM so a good night. Of course Cena was going to win as Rock is going back to Hollywood.

smallerthanyou

Last night at the end I was very disappointed in the show. But reading this n looking back I think that was just due to final match being so flat n awful. Taker n punk was quality and the undercard had some good quality moments. Also some terrible stuff. Jericho deserves better! So ya I'll go with a six, would have been four if I voted straight after the match.

I enjoyed it so I gave it a 7. I enjoyed it but the 2 main events I wasn't a big fan of.

Punk/Taker was definitely MOTN.

The Shield were brilliant as usual.

Tag title match was a good quick match.

I liked Y2J/Fandango

Del Rio Vs Swagger was OK.

With the Ryback/Henry match it was as if WWE knew the show was too predictable and had to throw in a curve ball somewhere. Not a great match.

HHH got his win back :eek: :eek: :eek: HHH is not as over as he think he is and I could even hear chants of "break his arm" when Lesnar had him in the kimura. I didn't like the match to be honest.

I hate to say but I really hope The Rock pisses off now. Its probably not Cena's fault because The Rock probably didn't even properly proper but I heard Cena loudly call at least 4 moves in the match and that annoyed me especially for a WM main event. I thought it was better than their WM 28 match but again it wasn't great



Up until after the Punk/Taker match I was enjoying WM 29 but the last 2 matches failed to deliver IMO.

Dickmcsavage

I just can't get my head around the fact that this is meant to be wrestling's premiere show. The single biggest event in the wrestling industry calendar and that's what WWE believe is the best they can put out?! Just pointless and predictable. I used to watch RAW every single week and then this year I've started missing the odd week because it just hasn't really been that good or interesting and I was hoping Mania would get me back into it but after that last night? NO! NO! NO! NO!

SlickRic

DM-ICE wrote: »

I didn't mind the way HHH won, it took everything to stop him. I thought the standing tall stuff at the end was unnecessary though.

it did take everything, but that's partly my point.

HHH should not have been the one to beat Brock like that, with Brock still hanging around for a year or 2.

there's a reason HHH has been getting to little to no reaction the last few years unless he's in the ring with Taker...people don't care about him as much as he or WWE think. yes, he's got a good entrance that generates a pop. but once he speaks, I believe a huge amount of people are done with him

that should not have been his spot.

if Brock was riding off into the sunset now, fine. I'd live with that. someone else should have a had a feud with Lesnar bar Cena and HHH, but it'd have been fine.

WWE booked themselves into a corner where they had to have HHH winning in the end. But with Brock signing on, they really could've been a bit more creative in keeping Brock strong, and in particular not have HHH look so much like the dominant alpha-male at the end.

now, they could have Brock come out and destroy loads of people on Raw, where there will be a bigger viewership than Wrestlemania, and the loss might make no difference. but i don't know why WWE would want to risk hurting one of their biggest, if not biggest, monster, for the sake of HHH. Brock is a great monster heel, and will be great in that role no matter what, but he could be so much more for them IMO.

as i said before, if it was the other way round, and HHH was the big commodity, and he was the dominant heel, and the storyline made perfect sense for him to lose, just like it did for Brock, but he signed on for another year or 2, he would have made sure to either win, or remain looking very strong.

i know that sounds like HHH bashing, but I really held out hope that Brock, if he had to lose, would at least look extremely strong and/or not so beatable.

Yousef

I see no point in watching after tomorrow. Cena has literally accomplished EVERYTHING now. Where can he go from here? I'll tell you, he can go **** himself, that's where can ****ing go. - Anonymous fan.

lol....I seen this and thought I'd post it here. I lol'd.

FutureGuy

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Common sense would dictate that you take the guy that gets the most boos and you make him one of your top heels. Now I'm well past the stage where I lobby for the Cena turn, I've accepted it, but even still it's baffling that your top face gets more heat than your top heel on the biggest night of the year. Says a lot.

Remainder of my views were in the other thread, all I'll say is that it's going to be an interesting Raw to see what happens from here.

The second he turns heel, he'll get tons of cheers.

Kids in the audience see adults cheering for bad Cena.

Kids grow up to be murderers/rapists/thieves etc.

the groutch

whoever gave a 10 there is either a troll, or needs their head examined.

CMpunked

I enjoyed the show last night, gave it a 7.

Not gonna ramble on about why because some before me have made the same points I was intending to. Where I differ slightly is follows;

Wrestlemania when I was younger seemed to be decisive moments in feuds and that feeling that you had to see this match because you don't know how or when you would ever get to see it again was a massive part of the wrestlemania build up.
But for the past few years that seems to have dropped off and WM became just another ppv and more than likely ER would host a rematch.

But this year, at least from this side of raw, appeared that the feuds were reset and we won't get any lingering story's for either next few months.

So I'm looking forward to it all beginning..... Again.

DM_7

The three Big Matches.

Punk v Taker was excellent. The moves were executed well. The acting of both men was top notch. Taker looked more like Ironman than the brittle old man we are led to believe he is every year. 9/10

Brock was fantastic. I wanted Triple H to win but the crowd didn't really care or have any sympathy for him so I think the crowds non reaction to it hurt the match. If I watch it without the sound it was actually a pretty well constructed match up. 7.5/10

Cena v Rock
They started things off really slowly which was the right thing to do after the last two matches. They built towards some good exchanges and the cocky Cena stuff was fantastic. It didn't have the big title match feel though.
6/10

I didn't care about the post match lovefest, even though it was in the cards the last two years and Rock deserved some appreciation for returning it just had no real spark of emotion.

DM_7

the groutch wrote: »

whoever gave a 10 there is either a troll, or needs their head examined.

But the posters who gave 1 don't bother you?


I went with a 7 myself.

gimmick

What ever happened to the big WM heel/face turn?

Didn't watch the show and won't bother having read the thread. I will watch Punk V Taker alright.

Angron

gimmick wrote: »

What ever happened to the big WM heel/face turn?

Didn't watch the show and won't bother having read the thread. I will watch Punk V Taker alright.

We didn't get one about sums it up. I thought we'd have a least one, probably Orton, but it wasn't to be.

Hematocyte

Still genuinely confused why Tons of Funk v Rhodes Scholars was cut. I just added up the runtimes for the 8x matches and it came to 116 minutes. That's 116mins in an approx 240minute show. So there was 124 minutes with no actual wrestling going on and yet they couldn't find 5-10 minutes for this match?

Not to mention I think if they'd stuck that match in after HHH v Lesnar it would have given the crowd a breather and they might have been more responsive for the main event.

Has there been a good Wrestlemania since they went outdoors?

CMpunked

gimmick wrote: »

What ever happened to the big WM heel/face turn?

Didn't watch the show and won't bother having read the thread. I will watch Punk V Taker alright.

Big show?

Deleted User wrote: »

Has there been a good Wrestlemania since they went outdoors?

The one in Orlando was alright.

EdenHazard

unless you love wrestling that was a terrible show. it had no magic, no moments, cm punk and undertaker wasn't particularly good imo. in the match i never believed at any moment taker could get beaten(despite beforehand thinking punk could win)

Lord TSC

CMpunked wrote: »

But this year, at least from this side of raw, appeared that the feuds were reset and we won't get any lingering story's for either next few months.

I get where you're coming from, but the problem is even if everyone moves on to different feuds, what are they? We're probably looking at Cena vs Punk AGAIN, we're probably looking at Rock and HHH disappearing off again. We probably won't be getting anything fresh. We're just back to the status quo again tomorrow night....

DM_7

SlickRic wrote: »

i know that sounds like HHH bashing, but I really held out hope that Brock, if he had to lose, would at least look extremely strong on not so beatable.

I don't want to go into mad detail as Its not going to make an impact on your own feelings.

I don't think it sounds like HHH bashing at all and it comes across as reasoned.

For me with everything that went on between both men led to Triple H throwing everything at Brock and him winning made sense. If it was the best use of Brock or not I don't know, maybe the part time nature of both guys played a part in the thought process behind pairing them up.

I have no worries about Brock though, he was good in the match itself and best off all the reaction to him on thread when he walked out. A lot of Holy ****s - he is that impressive a guy that many people will believe he is a threat to anyone just by looking at him.

SlickRic

DM-ICE wrote: »

It didn't have the big title match feel though.
6/10

it's easy to figure out why.

the build was shít, and the title was an afterthought in Cena's promos.

such a waste, and is another reason why it felt like we'd seen this main event before, and why the crowd weren't that arsed with it.

CMpunked

So here's an interesting tidbit;

No backstage segments, (either funny or cringetastic)
No big celebrity involvement,
No national anthem at the beginning.

What you guys make of that?
I think it warrants the idea that mania just didn't feel like mania for some.

Lord TSC

Did HHH throw everything he had at Brock though?

Two hours after the match, I don't exactly remember Brock taking an ungodly beating. He took the armbar for ages, two pedigrees and a hammer shot, but I personally didn't walk away from the match thinking he took the beating that was promised. It was the type of match that definitly would have benefited from some bloodshed I guess. And I know writing down what he took, it looks like he took a lot. But I just didn't feel like it was the beating from a man who threw "everything" at him.

Taker took everything HHH had. That was a mauling. But I didn't feel HHH threw everything at Brock.

rovert

Massively tired here but most people already made the points I wanted to make had no real issue with the first half of the show but the second half the business end was so badly paced having the best to worst of the three kick out fests in that order and back to back.

The retirement stip didn't seem to play into the Brock match at all or added any drama.

Rock looked somewhere between massively conformable and only doing it for the money. WWE should finally give up the ghost and all the hand wringing on Cena fully embraced by the entire fanbase.

Anyone unhappy with "Wrestling" let it be said Wrestlemania was probably the 4th or 5th best show I watched this weekend. Gave the show a 5.

Ando's Saggy Bottom

the groutch wrote: »

I think the fact that the poll has had 26 votes so far and 6 is the highest anyone's given speaks volumes.

I tried to give it 7 but must have hit 6 by mistake.

the groutch

CMpunked wrote: »

So here's an interesting tidbit;

No backstage segments, (either funny or cringetastic)
No big celebrity involvement,
No national anthem at the beginning.

What you guys make of that?
I think it warrants the idea that mania just didn't feel like mania for some.

and both the Taker match and main event had zero build before the entrance music hit.

the stuff like the touting, Diddy's performance, trotting out the Special Olympians and Hall of Famers ate up too much time.

rovert

CMpunked wrote: »

So here's an interesting tidbit;

No backstage segments, (either funny or cringetastic)
No big celebrity involvement,
No national anthem at the beginning.

What you guys make of that?
I think it warrants the idea that mania just didn't feel like mania for some.

Not by design WWE Active/the App went belly up.

Tinie

The ppv stream on Wwe.com was apparently down for a bit too during the first hour of mania.

krudler

Overall it was a giant meh, the opener was great I thought, The Shield are just brilliant, thought Orton would turn heel but no, the Big Show part after was kinda pointless since he was a heel going into the match anyway? They could have done with an extra 5 mins to give it some breathing room.

Fandango/Jericho was alright, nothing amazing but some good spots and Fandango looked good. Cool entrance too even if it went on a bit too long.

Ryback/Henry, what was a loss going to do to Henry at this point? the guy's been around for over 15 years, and never been a top draw, and then to have him Shellshocked AFTER the match? pointless! should have just let Ryback get him up, Henry powers out, another shellshock, pin, or hell even have him kick out of the first one so Ryback had to do a second, both men look strong then.

Ziggler & Big E/ Team Hell No was entertaining, Big E is crazy strong, the triple backbreaker on Kane was mental, never seen him lobbed around like that.

Del Rio/Swagger was solid, was full sure Ziggler was going to cash in but nope. What was with cutting Swagger's entrance? There was FAR too many ads and promos throughout the event, Rock and Cena's was what, 2hrs before their match? but yet none directly before it to hype the (bored) crowd.

Punk/Taker, saved the event imo, you can tell Punk was having an absolute blast out there, doing old school, bitchslapping Taker more than once, the table spot. It was very messy/botchy in parts, including a really sloppy tombstone where it looked like Taker fell rather than hit it properly, but the crowd was super into it and it was very split, which is probably a first for a Taker Wrestlemania match.

Brock/HHH, sigh, Brock looked like an absolute beast throughout, he looks more bulked now than he ever has, he dominated most of the match yet still lost clean..why? HHH is basically retired now anyway, he gets his win, ok its basic booking that a face gets the win back at Mania, but how was it good for business? HHH is beyond losses making him look weak now, whereas Brock is going to be around a while. The crowd were clearly rooting for Brock,he lost, now what? If Michaels had been involved, or Steph, or there was some sort of drama where HHH was annihilated but just wouldnt give up and someone either threw in the towel or he got a cheaty type win and Brock destroyed him afterwards it would have made more sense.

Cena/Rock, something about this felt...off. No promo, no big entrance for Cena, who looked really out of sorts or something throughout the match, he was yelling something at the ref for ages at the beginning, both men were all over the place timing wise, and gassed pretty much straight away, rest holds 2 minutes into the Mania main event? seriously? ending was sloppy as hell as well with the constant reversal finishers, Cena's selling is a fcuking disgrace.

and the ending, wtf? Cena is booed, and booed loudly for the whole thing by 80% of the crowd, Rock tries to "pass the torch", even more boos. The torch passing thing, what was that even about? Cena's a 10 year, 11 time champ veteran, he's been an active full time roster member LONGER than The Rock has. It was like they were trying to replicate Hogan/Rock but that just wasn't happening.

Overall it should have been the show where the new guys got the rubs, and bar The Shield and Fandango it was the same predictable, safe storylines, Mania should be the event that has some surprises and "holy crap" moments that make you want to watch Raw the next night,which is the biggest Raw of the year, and now?

FutureGuy

CMpunked wrote: »

Big show?



The one in Orlando was alright.

I was at the one in Orlando (WM24) and it was a great card. Much better than the current fare.

krudler

FutureGuy wrote: »

I was at the one in Orlando (WM24) and it was a great card. Much better than the current fare.

Same, at least that FELT like a Wrestlemania, last night could have been an episode of Raw in fairness. No backstage stuff, big match feel. Was definitely missing something. The main event was really strange. Wonder did they rush it, which is mental considering they have 5 matches in the first 2hrs

SlickRic

krudler wrote: »

Cena/Rock, something about this felt...off. No promo, no big entrance for Cena, who looked really out of sorts or something throughout the match, he was yelling something at the ref for ages at the beginning, both men were all over the place timing wise, and gassed pretty much straight away, rest holds 2 minutes into the Mania main event? seriously? ending was sloppy as hell as well with the constant reversal finishers, Cena's selling is a fcuking disgrace.

Cena was loudly calling spots for some of the match.

Rock just does not have it anymore. he doesn't have the cardio, or really the will. Cena did well to have a good match with him last year. As I said earlier, this was just about passable. it also speaks to how well Punk did at the Rumble and Elimination Chamber.

Cena is better than a lot ever give him credit for, bar some of the selling. but the build, the fact he's stale after 10 years, the fact it was a rematch, and the fact Rocky clearly wasn't that into it at all worked against him. in hindsight, it really was a virtually impossible task.

FutureGuy

krudler wrote: »

Overall it was a giant meh, the opener was great I thought, The Shield are just brilliant, thought Orton would turn heel but no, the Big Show part after was kinda pointless since he was a heel going into the match anyway? They could have done with an extra 5 mins to give it some breathing room.

Fandango/Jericho was alright, nothing amazing but some good spots and Fandango looked good. Cool entrance too even if it went on a bit too long.

Ryback/Henry, what was a loss going to do to Henry at this point? the guy's been around for over 15 years, and never been a top draw, and then to have him Shellshocked AFTER the match? pointless! should have just let Ryback get him up, Henry powers out, another shellshock, pin, or hell even have him kick out of the first one so Ryback had to do a second, both men look strong then.

Ziggler & Big E/ Team Hell No was entertaining, Big E is crazy strong, the triple backbreaker on Kane was mental, never seen him lobbed around like that.

Del Rio/Swagger was solid, was full sure Ziggler was going to cash in but nope. What was with cutting Swagger's entrance? There was FAR too many ads and promos throughout the event, Rock and Cena's was what, 2hrs before their match? but yet none directly before it to hype the (bored) crowd.

Punk/Taker, saved the event imo, you can tell Punk was having an absolute blast out there, doing old school, bitchslapping Taker more than once, the table spot. It was very messy/botchy in parts, including a really sloppy tombstone where it looked like Taker fell rather than hit it properly, but the crowd was super into it and it was very split, which is probably a first for a Taker Wrestlemania match.

Brock/HHH, sigh, Brock looked like an absolute beast throughout, he looks more bulked now than he ever has, he dominated most of the match yet still lost clean..why? HHH is basically retired now anyway, he gets his win, ok its basic booking that a face gets the win back at Mania, but how was it good for business? HHH is beyond losses making him look weak now, whereas Brock is going to be around a while. The crowd were clearly rooting for Brock,he lost, now what? If Michaels had been involved, or Steph, or there was some sort of drama where HHH was annihilated but just wouldnt give up and someone either threw in the towel or he got a cheaty type win and Brock destroyed him afterwards it would have made more sense.

Cena/Rock, something about this felt...off. No promo, no big entrance for Cena, who looked really out of sorts or something throughout the match, he was yelling something at the ref for ages at the beginning, both men were all over the place timing wise, and gassed pretty much straight away, rest holds 2 minutes into the Mania main event? seriously? ending was sloppy as hell as well with the constant reversal finishers, Cena's selling is a fcuking disgrace.

and the ending, wtf? Cena is booed, and booed loudly for the whole thing by 80% of the crowd, Rock tries to "pass the torch", even more boos. The torch passing thing, what was that even about? Cena's a 10 year, 11 time champ veteran, he's been an active full time roster member LONGER than The Rock has. It was like they were trying to replicate Hogan/Rock but that just wasn't happening.

Overall it should have been the show where the new guys got the rubs, and bar The Shield and Fandango it was the same predictable, safe storylines, Mania should be the event that has some surprises and "holy crap" moments that make you want to watch Raw the next night,which is the biggest Raw of the year, and now?

+100000000000000

Raw has to be epic tonight.