Audi remap?

andromeda76

Hi there,
I just brought an Audi a4 2.0 tfsi Quattro special edition from the uk. It has 220 bhp as it is. Just wondering if anybody here has had this engine a remapped, what sort of power I can expect without causing any harm to the car and any specific Audi lads out there that carry out this work.

Blazer

autoremap.ie or else Joe Power from chipireland.
Both are amongst the best in the business.
I had mine done (bmw 520D) from autotune.ie and he's very good as well.
Not a custom jobbie but still good, a year later and the car is still flying it and extremely stable so very pleased overall.

bazz26

This guy comes highly recommended around here. Your model isn't listed so you would probably have to ring him:

http://www.chippedire.com/

andromeda76

Blazer wrote: »

autoremap.ie or else Joe Power from chipireland.
Both are amongst the best in the business.
I had mine done (bmw 520D) from autotune.ie and he's very good as well.
Not a custom jobbie but still good, a year later and the car is still flying it and extremely stable so very pleased overall.

Cheers for the reply,
Is joe power an Audi specialist? How is fuel consumption after remap, any better of worse. Sorry for all the questions.

bazz26

andromeda76 wrote: »

Cheers for the reply,
Is joe power an Audi specialist? How is fuel consumption after remap, any better of worse. Sorry for all the questions.

Just found it on his website:

http://www.chippedire.com/vms_view.php?man_id=2&mod_id=15&var_id=1029&pg_name=Audi_A4_2_0t_FSI_208_Tuning

andromeda76

bazz26 wrote: »

Just found it on his website:

http://www.chippedire.com/vms_view.php?man_id=2&mod_id=15&var_id=1029&pg_name=Audi_A4_2_0t_FSI_208_Tuning

Cheers Bazz, just had a look myself, couldnt find it listed. Does it give a price? Thanks again.

andromeda76

bazz26 wrote: »

Just found it on his website:

http://www.chippedire.com/vms_view.php?man_id=2&mod_id=15&var_id=1029&pg_name=Audi_A4_2_0t_FSI_208_Tuning

Found it there myself. Thanks for your help. I'll give him a ring tomorrow.

Blazer

andromeda76 wrote: »

Cheers for the reply,
Is joe power an Audi specialist? How is fuel consumption after remap, any better of worse. Sorry for all the questions.

Well I know all the BMW/Audi/VW all use him and highly recommend him.
I've have used him myself or autoremap but I'm down in Limerick and just didn't have the time to drive anyway so got autotune to call to me.
The type of tuning Joe/Autoremap do is a lot better as they'll put the car on a dyno and this will allow them to see any flat spots etc and adjust accordingly.
Let us know how you get on and how it feels afterwards

tossy

Joe is the only man for the job, I will be going to him with my own Audi soon enough.

Drummerboy08

He's just mapped my race car, he's mapped a Golf GTi previously for me too.

When I seen him taking my ecu apart last week to remove the immobilizer I was kinda mesmerized...

He's away next week for a week so you won't get him.

andromeda76

Thanks for all the replies lads, looks like Joe is the man to go to. Pay day on the 23rd, I'll deffo be giving him a shout. I'll let you know how I got on. Can't wait!

germanator

Dont use joe power he is usless, i know 2 people he remapped there cars, and basically ****ed them up, then when they contacted him about it he wouldnt answer the phone or text back to them!

Quazzie

germanator wrote: »

Dont use joe power he is usless, i know 2 people he remapped there cars, and basically ****ed them up, then when they contacted him about it he wouldnt answer the phone or text back to them!

Care to elaborate how he fúcked them up? Did he damage the car?

YbFocus

I reckon this'll be one of those times where they get the car remapped and expect they can drive the solid sh*te out of it 24/7 and expect nothing to change.
Then they blame the mapper and is not their fault.

tossy

germanator wrote: »

Dont use joe power he is usless, i know 2 people he remapped there cars, and basically ****ed them up, then when they contacted him about it he wouldnt answer the phone or text back to them!

I brought my Audi to Joe a few months ago there was 3 of us there that day with the same car and all delighted with results and service.

Its my second time using him and id have no trouble recommending him or using him again.

I'd love to know the service history of these cars you are on about and how the were driven and treated after mapping.

_Kaiser_

I used him before a few years back and found him a very nice guy who knows his stuff and doesn't take chances with excessive maps or such that might cause damage.

Considering bringing the A6 to him - it's not exactly slow/unresponsive as it is (3.0 TDI @225 Bhp) and the fuel economy is surprisingly good vs my former 2L TDI Passat, but every little would help

germanator

Well put it this way, it was not a problem with the cars as they were brought to a proper mapper later and the cars were completely different after the second map, loads more performance, no smoke and an all over nicer drive!

One car was a BMW 320d and the other was a vectra cdti

The BMW did nothing but smoke and had loads of lag and then ran out of puff around 4,000rpm, after the proper map it had no lag, barely any smoke and pulled up to the redline

The last fella got the map on the vectra read as Joe was unwilling to co-operate where a UK mapper asked for Joes vectra map to be sent to him, he would fix it and make adjustments to get the car between 220-230bhp and then send it back to him free of charge, (the car only made 200bhp with joes map and peak torque at 3,500 where it should of been 2,500, clouds of smoke and ran out of steam again around 4,000rpm) So the person bought a device which can read and write the ecu. So he read Joes map, mailed it to the UK tuner and he made a proper map and sent it back, heres an example of what was read after the map from Joe

These are the injector values. the red numbers are the ones that have been changed during the map



And this is after a proper mapper did his work, some difference there!!




Oh and just to add, yes the cars did feel alot quicker than standard after the map from him, which obviously they would with an extra 40 or that bhp, but with the second map you could really see the difference in power towards the first map, and not only the power alone but the whole driving experience was miles better, plus fuel economy has climbed in both aswell

Gary ITR

Can't say that's like Joe tbh, he's a good mate of mine and has mapped my race car and others, also the numerous people from here alone that are happy with him. I know he's away at the minute but I'll certainly bring his attention to this

germanator

Well i mean its not made up by these people and you can see from the 2 graphs the difference between the 2 maps!

just waiting to get the last car on a rolling road now and then i can post up the difference there aswell, it needs an uprated clutch now with the extra power from the second map so it will be done straight after that

Ill also see if they have any other information on the map differences or what was done wrong and i can post them up

In fairness he was offered a good chance to learn from the vectra, the UK mapper specializes in the CDTI engines and was willing to offer his experience and send him back a proper map free of charge where on the other hand he would not send his map for the UK tuner to look over... Swapping a 200bhp and 300 lb/ft smokey map for a 230bhp 360 lb/th tried and tested map, i know which id be doing!!

And after failed attempts by the BMW owner to get him to rectify his car he brought it to a place called Autoremap in the end and couldnt believe the difference with it! He was even planning getting rid of the car he was so disappointed after the first map

tossy

So you started off by saying joe F'd up two cars and then you down scaled it to the were just a bit smokey and ran out of steam at 4k ( the are diesels) , do he didn't ruin anyone's cars did he?

I can understand why Joe wouldn't want to send his map to some guy in the UK , Joe is one of the most respected mappers in these islands can't see him giving his work away to the competition.

What kind of power do those opelousas have as standard?

germanator

well he fu*ked up the maps then i should have put it!

A bit smokey? They were covering the road behind them in clouds of smoke not just a little puff!!

And when the map was done proper there was barely any extra smoke over what there was standard!

sure on the vectra with the mods done and the map in the uk the cars always make around the 230bhp mark, and thats on rolling roads all over the country not just on one that might be giving false figures, yet Joes map only made 200?

Why on earth would would you not want to swap your own map and get one back with that much increase in return, for free??

The only reason, and it was proved in the end was that his map was so bad he didnt want anyone to see it, sure look at the 2 graphs theres no denying whats been done there! And the UK mapper redone the map free of charge and also through private mail so he has recieved no publicity for his own business from doing so!

If anyone is able to read the maps that knows what they are at im sure i could get a copy of the bad map sent to them to see for themselves.

Mabey you had a different experience and he did your cars fine but that wasnt the case with these 2

thecomedian

Are these cars 150bhp stock?

HandsomeDan

If geminator is telling the truth, then the joe map (1st image) looks seriously amateur.

ION08

Joe remapped a mk4 GTI for me previously, I had to go back as it kept going into EPC (Limp mode) - he was very helpful, obliging and made a great impression on me as he genuinely wanted to ensure I was fully satisfied and at no point made me feel like I was bothering him or anything like that.

I now have an 02 Audi A4 TDI also mapped by Joe and It's an absolute beauty. 178BHP, powerful, smooth, stable, reliable not smokey at all and I can average 49MPG on a tank with a relatively light foot! - the way the car should have left the factory

Nice guy, would have no hesitation in recommending him to anybody.

germanator

Yes they are actually 147bhp standard, and incase you think the road joe mapped it on was reading low and thats why it only made 200bhp, it made 165bhp on that road before the map, so if anything you could say his road is reading too high!

Yes Dan, it is all the truth, no reason to lie, the first graph was taken from the joe map which was read from the car by the mpps and the second is part of the new map which was loaded on the car.

But even without any figures, just being in the car you can feel the difference between the 2, the car was very laggy until around 2,500 and had a blast of power that died off about 4,000 and absolutly covered the road in smoke in low revs when driven easy, the whole back of the car was completely black within a few hours of driving whereas so far with the new map no black atall on the back only a bit on the exhaust tips and now the car will begin to pull from a little over 1600rpm and pulls strong all the way up to the limit with no tailing off whatsoever, and very little smoke. Also from a full tank with the bad map the car was getting approx 480miles which now its getting approx 560 with the same driving!!

The BMW also had bad smoking and the chap is averaging around 100miles more to a tank doing the same journey all week to work and home. The BMW had just an egr blank and swirl flaps blocked with the map and the vectra had hybrid turbo with front mount and egr blank

germanator

Mabey hes just no good with the BMW and Vauxhalls but good with VW/Audi??

HandsomeDan

germanator wrote: »

Yes Dan, it is all the truth, no reason to lie

Do you run a remap service yourself?

Are you a member of an eastern european criminal gang?

Supergurrier

If that 220bhp Audi is running a k04 turbo then you will get near 300bhp with a map alone

irish bloke

germanator wrote: »

Mabey hes just no good with the BMW and Vauxhalls but good with VW/Audi??

Don’t know Joe but I’d like to hear his side of the story (if there is one).

Are you a Mapper yourself? You sound like you could be.

This may not be accurate, but could this be a case of dissing the guy with the good reputation because he is getting all the business?

bidiots

irish bloke wrote: »

Don’t know Joe but I’d like to hear his side of the story (if there is one).

Are you a Mapper yourself? You sound like you could be.

This may not be accurate, but could this be a case of dissing the guy with the good reputation because he is getting all the business?

Nail on head I reckon

allinthehead

are you telling me that they got an extra 80 bhp from a remap alone? the cdti that is

tossy

germanator wrote: »

So the person bought a device which can read and write the ecu

What's this device?

daRobot

Go to Martin in Autoremap. He's very highly thought of in BMW circles, and he's a dealer for Evolve (a very large UK mapper)

I've read quite a few bad reports about Joe Power, but also some excellent ones. I've not heard anything bad about Martin, ever.

Slattsy

Just to hi-jack this thread slightly.
I've looked at both websites advised here, just out of interest, and both dont go near A5's.
Why is this?

ION08

Slattsy wrote: »

Just to hi-jack this thread slightly.
I've looked at both websites advised here, just out of interest, and both dont go near A5's.
Why is this?

http://www.chippedire.com/vms_list.php?man_id=2&mod_id=259&pg_name=Audi_A5_Tuning

germanator

No i am not a remapper and if i was do you not think id advertise my own business here aswell? Im just telling the information that i was given and i have been in both cars before and after the remaps and have seen the differences first hand!

And the UK mapper hasnt charged or even gave details publicly so is in no way gaining anything from this, apart from the fact the person with the vectra knows where to go in future Anyway he is in a different country so i dont think a remapper over here would worry him much business wise, and especially with the map hes seen!

Its called an MPPS, it can read and write ECU's

Allinthehead, No, like i said the vectra has a hybrid turbo, a front mount and egr blanks, the BMW was more or less standard.

darobot, now that you brought it up as far as i know its Martin the BMW owner got to rectify his car!

But everyone has their own opinion, im just giving mine and have posted graphs to back it up and will also be able to post up a rolling road graph of the 2 different maps as soon as i get them so you can see for yourselves and come to your own conclusions!

Quazzie

daRobot wrote: »

Go to Martin in Autoremap. He's very highly thought of in BMW circles, and he's a dealer for Evolve (a very large UK mapper)

I've read quite a few bad reports about Joe Power, but also some excellent ones. I've not heard anything bad about Martin, ever.

Everyone had their critics, some are just more vocal than others.

Most of the problems experienced after a remap are because the driver thinks that the new power they have under their right for needs to be utilised at all times and this results in excessive wear and tear and results in things going wrong.

germanator

I accept that, and definitely in some cases this is exactly what happens, the cars get ragged constanty until something breaks

But not in these 2 as the cars were bad directly after the first map and then perfect after the second map with no other work, mechanically or otherwise carried out!

Gary ITR

Isn't MPPS about €3k

germanator

Not sure this is the exact one he got but somthing along the same lines

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/200797805872?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

allinthehead

germanator wrote: »

Allinthehead, No, like i said the vectra has a hybrid turbo, a front mount and egr blanks, the BMW was more or less standard.

apologies for my tired brain. i had to read the entire thread 3 times before i found that:o

germanator

No worries pal same myself at times!!

Neilw

YbFocus wrote: »

I reckon this'll be one of those times where they get the car remapped and expect they can drive the solid sh*te out of it 24/7 and expect nothing to change.
Then they blame the mapper and is not their fault.

Or a car on its last legs before it was mapped.

Joe is very good and he stands over his work. Had one of my cars mapped with him a few years ago and it was great. Also drove a 530d today that he mapped :eek: some machine to move.....for a diesel lol.

Slattsy

A few questions as im a little intrigued..
Do you need to inform the insurance company after getting this done?

Is there a set amount of bhp you can increase it by? ie can i say i'd like to increase it by say 30bhp, or that out of my control.
Ta

germanator

well he didn't stand over these 2!!

And like I said, there was no other work done to rectify these 2 cars, only a new map, and if the engines were bad to begin with I don't see how a different map would fix it them!!!

But mabey its a case that you've never been in a properly tuned one to compare it to?? As I said both cars compared to standard were alot quicker with the first map, but when they were mapped the 2nd time you could really see how bad the first maps were

Quazzie

germanator wrote: »

well he didn't stand over these 2!!

And like I said, there was no other work done to rectify these 2 cars, only a new map, and if the engines were bad to begin with I don't see how a different map would fix it them!!!

But mabey its a case that you've never been in a properly tuned one to compare it to?? As I said both cars compared to standard were alot quicker with the first map, but when they were mapped the 2nd time you could really see how bad the first maps were

No offence but you're taking shįte. In no way can a generic map installed from a different country compare to a map based and tuned on a rolling road. I'm not saying that you're lying about the two cars, maybe you're not. But to call a map installed remotely as being "properly tuned" is horseshīt.

Ronnie Beck

Quazzie wrote: »

No offence but you're taking shįte. In no way can a generic map installed from a different country compare to a map based and tuned on a rolling road. I'm not saying that you're lying about the two cars, maybe you're not. But to call a map installed remotely as being "properly tuned" is horseshīt.

Just wondering this myself, particularly with a hybrid turbo and IC you would think it would require proper work. Unless they are common mods and the lad in the UK has done a few the same before. Don't entirely understand the remap pictures but the first one just looks like joe turned up the fuel at WOT and didn't bother with the rest.

Maybe there was something up with him or the software that day. God knows. The cars I know he remapped were all fine, and he was very resonable with adjusting the map if you do any further mods down the road.

YbFocus

If the engines were standard lime the bmw's case then yes maybe a generic map would work well.
But as the lads said, a car running a different turbo wouldn't know what to do with a map designed to enhance a standard car.

Quazzie

YbFocus wrote: »

If the engines were standard lime the bmw's case then yes maybe a generic map would work well.
But as the lads said, a car running a different turbo wouldn't know what to do with a map designed to enhance a standard car.

Even the same car running the same set up can put out varying outputs on the dyno. The purpose of mapping using a dyno is that you can test the changes you make. Putting on a generic map and you might get lucky but how can the mapper know what effect he is having on the power or torque curve.

germanator

i think its you talking ****e!!! Where did I say its a generic Map?? its a map that is wrote and used by the UK tuner on cars with exact same mods as the fellas vectra, adjusted for the mods etc. Please explain to me why the car is performing far better now then? As I said, we have a rolling road print from Joe and as soon as the clutch is replaced we will have a graph with the new map, then the facts will speak for themselves

YbFocus

Quazzie wrote: »

Even the same car running the same set up can put out varying outputs on the dyno. The purpose of mapping using a dyno is that you can test the changes you make. Putting on a generic map and you might get lucky but how can the mapper know what effect he is having on the power or torque curve.

Oh I know man, I was just trying to say that whatever about the generic, it wouldn't have a hope of running with the turbo. Mind you it'd more than likely idle and cut out with any rev