Taxi door branding

Mick duffy

I think that this new taxi door branding rule is a disgrace. Alot of guys who did taxi driving part time without telling their family have been forced to quit.

corkonion

why would anybody be driving a taxi and not tell their family? and where do they think he is ?

MidlandsM

I think its a great idea......its pro consumer choice. I now know what taxi to choose.

beertons

Alot more people now feel safer getting taxi's home now because of it. Before they were afraid of some cowboy driving them.

alexonhisown

Why would they have to stop part time taxi work because their families might find out and why wouldnt they tell their families in the first place

jack presley

What's the rule regarding the branding? Why don't all the taxis have it or do they only need to do it when their licence is renewed or something?

Valetta

Mick duffy wrote: »

I think that this new taxi door branding rule is a disgrace. Alot of guys who did taxi driving part time without telling their family have been forced to quit.

WTF???? :eek::eek::eek:

Regards,

Mrs. Duffy

RATM

jack presley wrote: »

What's the rule regarding the branding? Why don't all the taxis have it or do they only need to do it when their licence is renewed or something?

Was wondering the same myself. 60-70% of them seemed to have got it in Jan/Feb but since then there is a good few still without it so I think it is a compliance issue rather than a requirement when a license is renewed.

A friends dad drives a taxi part time but he never put on his roof sign until he was well away from the housing estate. I'll be interested to find out if he got the taxi logo on his door, somehow I doubt it, he likes his Merc too much to do that to it.

Chris_5339762

I think its great. Somehow it has single handedly improved the presentation of the entire Irish taxi fleet. They look more modern with them, and hopefully it stops rampant plate sharing.

Dravokivich

Was that not just the hailo logo? Or is there something else as well?

noelfirl

Dravokivich wrote: »

Was that not just the hailo logo? Or is there something else as well?

These lads...

Dravokivich

Ah, I didn't notice the "Transport for Ireland" logo on'em before. I had only seen them when Hailo came out, so assumed it was with that.

Cookie_Monster

so a puke-green and blue to match not match the blue and yellow roof sign... joined up thinking once again.

alphabeat

its fantastic , anything that keeps them in line is most welcomed .

AltAccount

Does anyone know if the door markings are compulsory or optional?

Spook_ie

It's a requirement when renewing your license, you won't be able to tell until Jan 2014 if anyone has refused to put them on.

Mine isn't due until July so doesn't have them yet.

RATM's pals mate might have put them on for the SGS and then removed them, he won't be "visible" to enforcers until after Jan 2014.

Far more use is the app from NTA that will allow you to input a plate number and verify that the person driving it is indeed the person who is supposed to and therefore far more likely to have the correct qualifications and insurance.
http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/new-government-smartphone-app-helps-taxi-passenger-identify-rogue-drivers-29101276.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0228/370033-taxi-app/

icdg

The idea is great but the execution is awful - the lime green looks horrific.

Of course, its a watered down version of the NTA's original proposal, which was for a common livery for taxis a la London and New York.

oisindoyle

icdg wrote: »

The idea is great but the execution is awful - the lime green looks horrific.

Of course, its a watered down version of the NTA's original proposal, which was for a common livery for taxis a la London and New York.

Was it?

pistolpetes11

I think they look terrible , very amateur look and feel about them,

On another note will the car door be destroyed when there removed , will there be a darkened area behind the logo where the sun could not get at.

I wish they went all out and all the cars had to be the same color like they are in some other major cities

sharpish

To be honest we're not a major city and in a recession fleet replacement will sow down, good guidelines on what taxi should and shouldn't need to be laid down.

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

I think they look terrible , very amateur look and feel about them,

On another note will the car door be destroyed when there removed , will there be a darkened area behind the logo where the sun could not get at.

I wish they went all out and all the cars had to be the same color like they are in some other major cities

Cookie_Monster

sharpish wrote: »

good guidelines on what taxi should and shouldn't need to be laid down.

you would think but to most drivers in Ireland a corolla is a good choice as it's cheap and that's about all that comes into it.
Taxis need to be standardised at Camry, A6, 5 series type sizes and a standard colour. IMO

foggy_lad

I think the whole branding concept is a good idea but the current colour scheme and design is bland and meaningless and does not really help much in identifying vehicles as taxis. Something that stands out more would be a better idea in my opinion.

Cookie_Monster

foggy_lad wrote: »

Something that stands out more would be a better idea in my opinion.

Make them all Florescent Pink

oisindoyle

foggy_lad wrote: »

I think the whole branding concept is a good idea but the current colour scheme and design is bland and meaningless and does not really help much in identifying vehicles as taxis. Something that stands out more would be a better idea in my opinion.

The word TAXI is emblazoned in big blue letters on the side of the doors Then theres a BIG yellow sign on the roof of the car saying "TAXI"

Cookie_Monster

oisindoyle wrote: »

The word TAXI is emblazoned in big blue letters on the side of the doors Then theres a BIG yellow sign on the roof of the car saying "TAXI"

but it's still a multi colour mess of a fleet with upteen dozen different types and models of car. Most countries / cities you go to will have one colour and between 1-5 specific types of car. So much more professional looking and easier to see straight away.

oisindoyle

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

but it's still a multi colour mess of a fleet with upteen dozen different types and models of car. Most countries / cities you go to will have one colour and between 1-5 specific types of car. So much more professional looking and easier to see straight away.

Have you never noticed the BIG yellow sign on the roof of a taxi with the sign saying "TAXI" ?
That's pretty easy to see ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,for most!

Losty Dublin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

but it's still a multi colour mess of a fleet with upteen dozen different types and models of car. Most countries / cities you go to will have one colour and between 1-5 specific types of car. So much more professional looking and easier to see straight away.

Arguably the most famous taxi of them all is that in London and it doesn't have a set colour or set car type. What it does have is such a strict list of requirements for a taxi (stricter even with other parts of the UK). This has been so punitive to adhere to than it's ended up that LTI for years have been the dominant company to have built a suitable car to exploit the market.

Back a few years ago, then taxi regulator Kathleen Doyle decreed that it was likely to be anti competitive to have a designated model as a standard taxi over here. Bear in mind that this is the the head of the same office who decided than the TX4 wasn't fully wheelchair assessible and who issued on the spot taxi fines to coaches in several regional towns in 2009 :rolleyes:

reprazant

Do people really want for to force taxi drivers to go out and buy new cars just so that it looks better?

Bloody hell!

carlmango11

reprazant wrote: »

Do people really want for to force taxi drivers to go out and buy new cars just so that it looks better?

Bloody hell!

I'd imagine they'd phase it in over years. As in if you're buying a new car buy the specific model. Eventually the older cars would be filtered out.

Cookie_Monster

oisindoyle wrote: »

Have you never noticed the BIG yellow sign on the roof of a taxi with the sign saying "TAXI" ?
That's pretty easy to see ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,for most!

Ok, its easy to see but visually unappealing and looks unprofessional.

Cookie_Monster

carlmango11 wrote: »

I'd imagine they'd phase it in over years. As in if you're buying a new car buy the specific model. Eventually the older cars would be filtered out.

This. And if there was for example only a choice between 2-3 models manufacturers would be quick to act on this with a set taxi spec and a decent discount as they will know X sales will be available every year ad nasuem

Spook_ie

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

This. And if there was for example only a choice between 2-3 models manufacturers would be quick to act on this with a set taxi spec and a decent discount as they will know X sales will be available every year ad nasuem

Well lets start with removing the VRT on vehicles purchased for use as taxis, should be no problem issuing a number plate 131 TX 12345 and if vehicle is sold to a non taxi operator before the age limit of 9 years ( as is at present) they have to pay a percentage of what the VRT should have been. Then if manufacturers follow on with a discount all the better.

Until then, lets run the hotch potch we have now, after all don't many Boards.ie people support the idea of Taxi Driving being a minimum wage job rather than a business operation!

Mrs OBumble

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Ok, its easy to see but visually unappealing and looks unprofessional.

However beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I like the lime green, and the curvy rounded shape.

Cookie_Monster

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

However beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I like the lime green, and the curvy rounded shape.

I meant the mix of cars and colours, not specifically the door sign; though the colour is terrible and it doesn't march the roof sign which is silly

triple-M

in the netherlands they have a pretty small hardly noticeable taxi plate on top of their cars but they also have blue licence plates as opposed to the yellow ones in use over there which makes the cars alot more distinguishable from regular cars

meathstevie

triple-M wrote: »

in the netherlands they have a pretty small hardly noticeable taxi plate on top of their cars but they also have blue licence plates as opposed to the yellow ones in use over there which makes the cars alot more distinguishable from regular cars

It would be a massive step forward if taxi were treated for what they are : commercial vehicles.

Commercial VRT, and given the mileage a full time taxi does 3 year depriciation write off. Combine this with a 0% VAT rate on fares instead of the current VAT exempt status and in that way it would be a realistic option for a full time owner operator to and upgrade the vehicle to a higher standard and make a living out of what they do.This would also put the regulatory authority on a way stronger footing to implement higher vehicle standards and standarisation in regards to colour schemes and so on.

Cookie_Monster

Taxi's are VAT exempt? Why?

Spook_ie

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Taxi's are VAT exempt? Why?

Why not or do you want a fare increase JUST for the government to spend?

Cookie_Monster

Spook_ie wrote: »

Why not or do you want a fare increase JUST for the government to spend?

why do you assume a fair increase?
I don't see any justifiable reason for the Gov to be subsidising Taxi's by making them VAT exempt.

Spook_ie

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why do you assume a fair increase?
I don't see any justifiable reason for the Gov to be subsidising Taxi's by making them VAT exempt.

Ah so you'd like the taxi drivers to pay 21% over to the gov but you pay nothing, why would i expect anything less from you

Cookie_Monster

Spook_ie wrote: »

Ah so you'd like the taxi drivers to pay 21% over to the gov but you pay nothing, why would i expect anything less from you

Me pay nothing? Taxi fare should be VAT inclusive, but considering the current high cost you can't just stick 23% on top, it would have to be partially borne out of current max caps. You then of course get all the VAT offsets on expenses to match it.

Spook_ie

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Me pay nothing? Taxi fare should be VAT inclusive, but considering the current high cost you can't just stick 23% on top, it would have to be partially borne out of current max caps. You then of course get all the VAT offsets on expenses to match it.

Why not, you're the one that wants VAT on the fares, no one else has ( so far ) asked for it, therefore you should pay the VAT on the fare if it becomes payable.

Also seeing as there is no provision on a receipt printer to print off a discounted fare you would therefore have to pay it the full fare rather than a discounted fare, Hmmm actually maybe you might be onto something to kill off all these discounted fares

Cookie_Monster

Spook_ie wrote: »

Why not, you're the one that wants VAT on the fares, no one else has ( so far ) asked for it, therefore you should pay the VAT on the fare if it becomes payable.

well of course that could be done but the demand would drop as prices would rise by such a large margin.

All I asked initially was why they don't pay it, what makes it a special industry?
If you can't answer it factually without all your usual rhetoric please don't bother.

Spook_ie

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

well of course that could be done but the demand would drop as prices would rise by such a large margin.

All I asked initially was why they don't pay it, what makes it a special industry?
If you can't answer it factually without all your usual rhetoric please don't bother.

I'm not in charge of the revenue, you are the one that said

I don't see any justifiable reason for the Gov to be subsidising Taxi's by making them VAT exempt.

Why have anything VAT exempt?

Cookie_Monster

Spook_ie wrote: »

I'm not in charge of the revenue, you are the one that said

so you don't know, why not just say that?

Spook_ie wrote: »

Why have anything VAT exempt?

There are good reasons which I'm not going into as it's not a C&T topic.

Spook_ie

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

so you don't know, why not just say that?


There are good reasons which I'm not going into as it's not a C&T topic.

Because you asked it here rather than in a taxation forum, if you're not happy with getting replies from people in C&T then don't ask the question!

I like the idea of the door signs.

However, I do feel bad for the few taxi drivers that had advertisements on their doors that now have to shift them. I know a taxi I see about the place a bit had two people advertising on his car (one had the front doors, another had the back doors). Not sure if I've seen the same taxi since the new decals came in but I'd say it'll be a nuisance for him (and everyone like him).

In my opinion, all taxi branding in this country should be easily removed. Permanent stickers don't do anyone in the industry any good in this country (and I certainly hope they don't cost anything for the drivers!). I will say that I do think the idea behind them is a good idea (and taxis are much more easily recognisable since they came in).

I'd be in favour of sideways plates, like the one in the below image:





For taxis. At least then they could continue to advertise on their car (even if it's just themselves they're advertising) and it'd make the cars stand out a mile off aswell.

I do agree that the plates on the roof and the door signs not matching is absurd thinking. I hope that they either update the decals very soon to match, or they update the plate itself to match (I'm assuming they didn't use the plate colours because there are a lot of blue cars out there and blue on the door sign would theoretically blend in and not be as noticeable?).

Cookie_Monster

Spook_ie wrote: »

Because you asked it here rather than in a taxation forum,

vat on taxis is relevant here

Spook_ie wrote: »

if you're not happy with getting replies from people in C&T then don't ask the question!

general discussion about what does / doesn't get exempt and charged at different rates is not relevant here.

corkonion

the thread is about door branding not vat. however as the turnover threshold for vat registration is 37,500 Euro and there are not many Taxi Drivers turning that over any more there would be no point in them regestering, and even if the minimum turnover was abolished there is still no case for them charging vat as for example Vat on a 20,000 car is about 3470 Euro.
If you turnover 30000 a year you give the vat man back 21% (6300) or 12.5% (3750) out of it. You will then claim vat on fuel and spare parts and servicing between 500 and 800 euro approx..
So In the best case (12.5% you get 3470 back on your car and you will lose about 3750 of your turnover per year and get to claim between 500 and 800 back per year for vat on Fuel and repairs.

Its a no brainer there is nothing to be gained. No winner, and the only loser is the consumer who gets to pay much higher fares.

Spook_ie

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

vat on taxis is relevant here
general discussion about what does / doesn't get exempt and charged at different rates is not relevant here.

Taxi fares are exempt, end of C&T discussion, you wanna take it to a taxation forum, then knock yerself out

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