Man arrested after two paramedics assaulted in Dublin

msg11

Another attack on Emergency Service personal, when are the government going to open there eyes and start doing something. I take it giving the area and the time, the assault more than likely contained drink fueled yobbos. I also wonder did any members of the public step in to help or just the usual get the video cameras out.

Hope they recover well and are back on there feet soon.

RTE wrote:

A man has been arrested after two Dublin Fire Brigade paramedics were assaulted in Dublin this morning.

The incident happened on Westmoreland Street at around 4.30am when the two men were attending to a case.

It is understood the two men, in their 30s and 40s, sustained wounds to their faces and are currently being treated in hospital.

A spokesman for Dublin Fire Brigade said the two men would be off work for some time as a result of the assault.

PCPhoto

to be fair very few people would stand up to someone attacking another person - while recording it could help get a conviction and jail time.

hope those victims do get justice and recover fast with no psychological injuries.

tayto lover

Time to make an example of him.
This kind of thing is far too frequent.
Probably out of his head but that is no excuse.

msg11

PCPhoto wrote: »

to be fair very few people would stand up to someone attacking another person - while recording it could help get a conviction and jail time.

hope those victims do get justice and recover fast with no psychological injuries.

The domino effect, if one person steps in someone else will step in. I doubt they are recording it with the intention of giving it in as evidence.

Psychological injuries are the real injuries and can change a person for life.

Really in all seriousness this type of thing needs to come to an end, we cannot have people attacking ES and getting away with it, it's becoming far to regular and becoming more 'acceptable'.

bravestar

PCPhoto wrote: »

to be fair very few people would stand up to someone attacking another person - while recording it could help get a conviction and jail time.

hope those victims do get justice and recover fast with no psychological injuries.

They are not recording it for evidence, they are recording it for the Craic to show their mates and stick on YouTube.

Anyone who stands idly by while an ES worker is being assaulted and who may have been in a position to help is a coward, plain and simple.

PCPhoto

I'm not disagreeing - but the vast majority of people do not get involved simply because they would end out being a victim themselves.

I cant afford to be out of work with an injury, I work 6 days a week in order to earn enough to pay the bills and clear debts, if I don't work I don't earn....I'm self employed and do not qualify for state benefits, so maybe my position is different to most but I cant afford to get involved, I work approx 60-70hrs every week to cover my bills/debts..... anyway the chances of me being near an incident like this are incredibly slim as they normally happen in the early hours and in Dublin (I'm not in Dublin).

as for the people who put it on you-tube ... that can be seized as evidence by the Gardai, and the person charged with obstruction of justice .... might be worth mentioning to garda colleagues - a test case highlighted in the media would be enough to discourage this kind of activity....or encourage it if it was helpful in getting prosecutions.

onedmc

What I don't get is that these guys got bail. For an assault like this or any where it's alcohol fuelled they should be on remand until the trial.

I wonder how many previous assaults the accused were involved with.

PCPhoto

onedmc wrote: »

What I don't get is that these guys got bail. For an assault like this or any where it's alcohol fuelled they should be on remand until the trial.

I wonder how many previous assaults the accused were involved with.

too many bleeding heart liberalists ..... innocent until proven guilty .... and all that jazz.

the courts system is on overload and they simply cant afford to lock up and keep all the "small" criminals who perform assaults/robberies, didnt they recently say that remission should be increased to 1/3 ..... such the joke that is the legal system the answer to the huge increase in crime and recidivist crime rate ..... lets release them earlier (automatically) so they can go out and re-offend !!

simply because the state wants to lower its criminal housing bill....simple procedures like taking the money the state gives them as a punishment for breaking the law (you break the rules of the state - the state stops giving you handouts...simple), and forget free legal aid, have a subsidised legal aid where the money is deducted at source (social welfare) for every court appearance, if they can create a system to tax everyone that has a home or that has the capability of receiving a tv signal then surely they can punish the criminals....but they wont because they are the ones who can and will physically attack them without fear of the legal system !

goldie fish

onedmc wrote: »

What I don't get is that these guys got bail. For an assault like this or any where it's alcohol fuelled they should be on remand until the trial.

I wonder how many previous assaults the accused were involved with.

Its quite simple, the only reason you can't get bail in this country is if you are (a) flight risk
(b) likely to interfere with witnesses.
(c) Severity

An assault, in the eyes of the law, is a minor offence. Do either of the other two apply?

Zambia

PCPhoto wrote: »

to be fair very few people would stand up to someone attacking another person - while recording it could help get a conviction and jail time.

Why ?

The question has to be asked. When does someone get involved ?

If you see a woman being raped. Do you stand there and pop out your Iphone?

The pricks of this planet are pricks because the rest of us don't correct them.

If you see someone being attacked if you can help you should.

wicklaman83

Zambia wrote: »

Why ?

The question has to be asked. When does someone get involved ?

If you see a woman being raped. Do you stand there and pop out your Iphone?

The pricks of this planet are pricks because the rest of us don't correct them.

If you see someone being attacked if you can help you should.

Your wrong. If you feel you can try to intervene,if you feel you wouldnt be able then dont.

As the other poster said above some people cant afford the leisure of being off work injured. They wont get sick pay because of a good deed. All it takes is one blow to the wrong area and your ****ed.

On a side note and i'm not anti guard as i work closely with the guards in my work i did intervene when a knife was produced. I had the lad restrained on the floor but there was still fightin around me. When the guards arrived it was me that got a blow of an asp as i was holding your man down.

I later got an apology but i certainly wouldnt recommend getting involved

PCPhoto

PCPhoto wrote: »

to be fair very few people would stand up to someone attacking another person - while recording it could help get a conviction and jail time.

Bullshít.

PCPhoto wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing - but the vast majority of people do not get involved simply because they would end out being a victim themselves.

I cant afford to be out of work with an injury, I work 6 days a week in order to earn enough to pay the bills and clear debts, if I don't work I don't earn....

I doubt the paramedics can afford to be out sick either having to pay medical bills.

mikom

foreign wrote: »

Bullshít.



I doubt the paramedics can afford to be out sick either having to pay medical bills.

That's funny, cos the paramedics employers would have insurance to cover such a work hazard.
Jump-in Joe public, on the other hand........

wicklaman83

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bullshít.



I doubt the paramedics can afford to be out sick either having to pay medical bills.

Please dont treat us like gob****es. The paramedics dont deserve to be out sick and technically they cant afford it but it is an occupational hazard of theirs. If they do get assaulted and result being off sick by will get paid by their employer or employers insurance.

bravestar

wicklaman83 wrote: »

Please dont treat us like gob****es. The paramedics dont deserve to be out sick and technically they cant afford it but it is an occupational hazard of theirs. If they do get assaulted and result being off sick by will get paid by their employer or employers insurance.

Sorry but since when is being assaulted an accepted occupational hazard for paramedics? It should not happen and if it does, it should be dealt with most severely. It is not acceptable.

Chemical Burn

PCPhoto wrote: »

to be fair very few people would stand up to someone attacking another person - while recording it could help get a conviction and jail time.

hope those victims do get justice and recover fast with no psychological injuries.

Fair enough, but if the 'person' being filmed in this scenario will probably get off with the usual small fine and 6 months in prison holiday resort in North Circular Road, most of which will be a suspended sentence. Whereas a bit of good old fashioned street vigilante justice and a few broken bones and fingers will do him some good. Every time this cretin has to take a shyte he will have to ask someone to wipe for him ... that's better than any stay in the joy, where he will meet with other scum and learn more tricks of the trade. It's time we brought back hanging.

wicklaman83

bravestar wrote: »

Sorry but since when is being assaulted an accepted occupational hazard for paramedics? It should not happen and if it does, it should be dealt with most severely. It is not acceptable.

Highlight where i said accepted. Regardless if it is accepted or not it still is. As far as i'm concerned anyone dealing with drunks,mental health patients etc is liable to be assaulted in their line of work. That goes for doctors,nurses,guards etc.

I am not involved in the health services but i do work in their facilities. I have been assaulted several times,the last time being mid feb where i was head-butted. It is also an occupational hazard of mine and i just accept it. I continued working that night because i have to because i'm not covered by any insurance etc.

The only time i did finish early is when i was spat at by a hep C patient and had to go through the whole needle stuck procedure of blood tests. All was clear in the end.

My reason for giving these incidents is to show that i've had my fair bit of assaults and although i call it an occupational hazard i do not regard them as acceptable.

bravestar

wicklaman83 wrote: »

Highlight where i said accepted. Regardless if it is accepted or not it still is. As far as i'm concerned anyone dealing with drunks,mental health patients etc is liable to be assaulted in their line of work. That goes for doctors,nurses,guards etc.

I am not involved in the health services but i do work in their facilities. I have been assaulted several times,the last time being mid feb where i was head-butted. It is also an occupational hazard of mine and i just accept it. I continued working that night because i have to because i'm not covered by any insurance etc.

The only time i did finish early is when i was spat at by a hep C patient and had to go through the whole needle stuck procedure of blood tests. All was clear in the end.

My reason for giving these incidents is to show that i've had my fair bit of assaults and although i call it an occupational hazard i do not regard them as acceptable.

Ah right so if that head butt was then followed by a fella sitting on your chest and punching you until you became unconscious would you consider that an occupational hazard? Or would you expect someone to help?

My point is neither you nor me deserve that in our jobs and anyone who stood by filming that happening should be ashamed of themselves.

TheChizler

Better filming or calling for help than watching doing nothing!

bravestar

TheChizler wrote: »

Better filming or calling for help than watching doing nothing!

Sure! While their at it, they might as well dance the macarena

While calling for help is of course a good thing, it will no stop the immediate threat, when seconds matter. My point was that anyone (who is in a physical position to help) should and to instead, stand their like slack jawed gawkers with their Iphone's out is a disgrace.

http://www.herald.ie/news/savage-attack-on-woman-garda-27915668.html

For every one of those that is reported, many more happen, to Gardai/DFB/Nurses and average joe public going about their business.

Zambia

I'm with bravestar on this.

If you can do something you should. If you are a 3 stone female with no ability to help you should be at least calling the cops.

If you are a 15 Stone kickboxer looking at a 9 stone soaking wet teenager attacking an ambo. I am tipping you should be getting in there.
You do what you can but not getting involved and allowing someone to get bashed because you might have to take time of work is p!ss weak to be honest.

"I'm sorry you wont walk again, I would have given you a hand but I had a mental week in work that week."

Its up to you to gauge each situation as its up to you to live with yourself afterwards.

scuba8

goldie fish wrote: »

Its quite simple, the only reason you can't get bail in this country is if you are (a) flight risk
(b) likely to interfere with witnesses.
(c) Severity

An assault, in the eyes of the law, is a minor offence. Do either of the other two apply?

The Sixteenth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland provided that a court could refuse bail to a suspect where it feared that while at liberty they would commit a serious criminal offence. It was effected by the Sixteenth Amendment of the Constitution Act, 1996, which was approved by referendum on 28 November 1996 and signed into law on the 12 December of the same year.
It seems most of the judiciary have chosen to ignore this part of the constitution if the number of murders committed by persons on bail is anything to go by.

Potential-Monke

scuba8 wrote: »

The Sixteenth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland provided that a court could refuse bail to a suspect where it feared that while at liberty they would commit a serious criminal offence. It was effected by the Sixteenth Amendment of the Constitution Act, 1996, which was approved by referendum on 28 November 1996 and signed into law on the 12 December of the same year.
It seems most of the judiciary have chosen to ignore this part of the constitution if the number of murders committed by persons on bail is anything to go by.

But you did touch on a reason to refuse bail there, serious offence. Judge's are away in their own world, and a serious offence to them is usually murder. He doesn't care that Simey has 20 previous for burglary, and was on bail for burglary when he commited the burglary that he got caught and brought before the court for. He'll give him bail as burglary is not a serious offence to a judge.

The criminal would nearly want to shout at the judge that he is going straight to break into the judge's house if he gets bail, and even then he will probably still get it.

This country needs at least 1 more jail, so criminals can actually serve their sentence.

Zambia

Potential-Monke wrote: »

But you did touch on a reason to refuse bail there, serious offence. Judge's are away in their own world, and a serious offence to them is usually murder. He doesn't care that Simey has 20 previous for burglary, and was on bail for burglary when he commited the burglary that he got caught and brought before the court for. He'll give him bail as burglary is not a serious offence to a judge.

The criminal would nearly want to shout at the judge that he is going straight to break into the judge's house if he gets bail, and even then he will probably still get it.

This country needs at least 1 more jail, so criminals can actually serve their sentence.

Would that not put the offender in a "Show cause"

A scenario like you just mentioned would have a crook here have to argue to the court why he should be released as opposed to the Police having to Justify remand.

Resceu247

The suspect in question was charged to appear in court in 3 weeks, didn't say what offence he/she was charged with

donkey balls

About 16 years ago while on the bus heading in to town for a few pints with the lads I noticed a girl getting dragged down a lane I got the driver to stop the bus and ran after the little fcuks,At the time I was about 14 stone and solid and handy enough with my arms and legs when it came to fighting.
Now if it happened again a part from the belly getting slightly bigger:p I would still jump in as I'm still the same build but we have to remember that not everyone would be capable,Some people might/could freeze upon coming across an incident were an emergency service member is getting attacked.

Potential-Monke

Zambia wrote: »

A scenario like you just mentioned would have a crook here have to argue to the court why he should be released as opposed to the Police having to Justify remand.

The crook already argues as to why he should be released, through their solicitor who rabbles the usual shite that he's a lovely person who wouldn't harm a fly and is only breaking into houses to feed his debilitating drug habit which he is currently trying to sort out blah blah blah. A Garda says that he has previous for burglary, and was arrested for burglary, and is likely to commit another burglary, and the Garda gets ignored in preference of the poor ole criminal who has fallen on hard times.

WilcoOut

Potential-Monke wrote: »

and the Garda gets ignored in preference of the poor ole criminal who has fallen on hard times.

25% of detected armed robberies are carried out by persons on bail

13th Floor Elevator

Were the paramedics attacked by more than one person? The paper said they were attacked by the person they were trying to help.
Anyone know the facts?

Hill St Blue

13th Floor Elevator wrote: »

Were the paramedics attacked by more than one person? The paper said they were attacked by the person they were trying to help.
Anyone know the facts?

The facts are, that they were attending to someone and were attacked by a 3rd party (1 person) who was interfering with them for a while (and eventually turned violent.)

emmet the rover

Zambia wrote: »

I'm with bravestar on this.

If you can do something you should. If you are a 3 stone female with no ability to help you should be at least calling the cops.

If you are a 15 Stone kickboxer looking at a 9 stone soaking wet teenager attacking an ambo. I am tipping you should be getting in there.
You do what you can but not getting involved and allowing someone to get bashed because you might have to take time of work is p!ss weak to be honest.

"I'm sorry you wont walk again, I would have given you a hand but I had a mental week in work that week."

Its up to you to gauge each situation as its up to you to live with yourself afterwards.

and you end up before a judge for assult with battery. the scumbags defense makes you out to be some sort of GI joe person because you did some martial arts training. you end up with a criminal record and all that comes with it.

saying all that id still prob lend a hand or fist as the case warrented

bravestar

emmet the rover wrote: »

and you end up before a judge for assult with battery. the scumbags defense makes you out to be some sort of GI joe person because you did some martial arts training. you end up with a criminal record and all that comes with it.

saying all that id still prob lend a hand or fist as the case warrented

Firstly, there is no assault with battery here unless that is, you actually assault someone with a Duracell

Secondly, people are entitled to use reasonable force, it's happens everyday of the week and they don't get locked up. Your really jumping the gun a bit. It's when the force becomes excessive and unreasonable that there is a problem.

emmet the rover

bravestar wrote: »

Firstly, there is no assault with battery here unless that is, you actually assault someone with a Duracell

Secondly, people are entitled to use reasonable force, it's happens everyday of the week and they don't get locked up. Your really jumping the gun a bit. It's when the force becomes excessive and unreasonable that there is a problem.

you mean you dont carry a pack of duracell around in case of power outage.:pac:

my mistake for some reason i thought that battery was hitting someone in the head. thanks for clearing that up

13th Floor Elevator

Hill St Blue wrote: »

The facts are, that they were attending to someone and were attacked by a 3rd party (1 person) who was interfering with them for a while (and eventually turned violent.)

I'm just wondering because most newspapers and websites are reporting that the individual they were attending to attacked them. Just curious.

I guess the main thing is the person responsible was identified.

Zambia

emmet the rover wrote: »

and you end up before a judge for assult with battery. the scumbags defense makes you out to be some sort of GI joe person because you did some martial arts training. you end up with a criminal record and all that comes with it.

When did someone last get charged for that scenario?

Hill St Blue

13th Floor Elevator wrote: »

I'm just wondering because most newspapers and websites are reporting that the individual they were attending to attacked them. Just curious.

I guess the main thing is the person responsible was identified.

Nope...I trust my 20 20 vision ahead of the newspapers any day! (in fairness, the real facts are in the public domain...some news outlets reported them correctly!)

13th Floor Elevator

Hill St Blue wrote: »

Nope...I trust my 20 20 vision ahead of the newspapers any day! (in fairness, the real facts are in the public domain...some news outlets reported them correctly!)

Would you mind directing me to some links please? Thank you.

Dublinstiofán

04:30 on a Tuesday morning the streets were hardly going to be packed.

Probably enough bashing for the guys and girls who weren't even there
And did nothing!