Need an NCPS Clamp removed

Kingkong

Hi,

Got clamped in Northwood, Santry by NCPS it is a 120 euro clamping fee and would prefer to make a stand against illegally private clamping.

Is anyone willing and able to remove the clamp, I will happily give 40 euro to someone who can do it today. I will also make a donation to charity.

Tks

SV

I already love this thread.

Hope ya get someone to help you out OP

corkonion

I don't know how to remove one, nor would I do it if I did. However to offer someone €40 to spend a number of hours removing a clamp from your car on Easter Sundsy is very generous

0ph0rce0

Angle Grinder - Cut Chain - Job Done

corktina

just as well NCPS never come on Boards or they'd be there waiting for you :-)

Gary ITR

corktina wrote: »

just as well NCPS never come on Boards or they'd be there waiting for you :-)

Oh they do

OP spend the €40 on a big bolt cutters and job done

corkonion

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Angle Grinder - Cut Chain - Job Done

While its not illegal to remove a clamp, it is illegal to damage one.

kona

corkonion wrote: »

I don't know how to remove one, nor would I do it if I did. However to offer someone €40 to spend a number of hours removing a clamp from your car on Easter Sundsy is very generous

It's a rip off your paying somebody to take the blame. Nice wan. Man up and cut it yerself or pay up.

kirving

corkonion wrote: »

While its not illegal to remove a clamp, it is illegal to damage one.

It's also illegal to interfere with someone's car. Noone will be going to court over a broken chainlink.

OP, find a friend with a bolt cutters or grinder and do it yourself. Buying one today could be difficult.

snubbleste

Call NCPS and ask them to remove the clamp.

Kingkong

The clamps use harden steel, bolts cutters wont work.

In order to get it of you need a heavy duty angle grinder.

Just looking for an Irish equivalent!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3112670.stm

For those who post telling me to pay and ring NCPS read this page 30:

http://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/Gazette/Gazette%202011/march2011.pdf

P.S: Just because someone fines you doesn't mean they can, the law works both ways.

T-Maxx

I'm pretty sure we all know by now that the private clampers are considered to be operating outside the law.

If everybody obeyed the parking rules, they wouldn't be necessary now would they?

Jimdagym

Kingkong wrote: »

Hi,

Got clamped in Northwood, Santry by NCPS it is a 120 euro clamping fee and would prefer to make a stand against illegally private clamping.

Is anyone willing and able to remove the clamp, I will happily give 40 euro to someone who can do it today. I will also make a donation to charity.

Tks

It's not really making a stand now is it? It's trying to get out of a fine. Making a stand would be going round removing clamps off lots of strangers who had them.

PizzamanIRL

Would I be right in saying that NCPS can charge you for criminal damage if you just cut it off with an angle grinder because it's their property? That's why OP is looking for someone to do it the proper way so he can return it undamaged to the crooks.

Celly Smunt

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Would I be right in saying that NCPS can charge you for criminal damage if you just cut it off with an angle grinder because it's their property? That's why OP is looking for someone to do it the proper way so he can return it undamaged to the crooks.

I actually have a chain the same spec as the NCPS stuff in the boot of my car.If their chain happens to be damaged during the removal of the clamp,i'll happily replace it.

Deank

A 42" bolt cutters will get through the NCPS lock easily, I know this from experience :-D

barura

Get lawer, sue NCPS. That would be much more prominent at making a stand. Asking someone to break the law on your behalf is such a childish way to sort out your problem.

Greenmachine

Better yet clamp an ncps van right at a set of traffic lights. No more illegal than them clamping you. Pull in at the next junction and get your camcorder out.

OldmanMondeo

So how did you get clamped OP? Was it unjust or did you break some parking rules on private property? Please be honest.

Dr Nic

So ah whats the law sutyation here?

Bandara

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

So how did you get clamped OP? Was it unjust or did you break some parking rules on private property? Please be honest.

Exactly, are you cutting off the clamp because you got caught and "your not paying that crowd" etc etc or were you genuinely clamped incorrectly?

PizzamanIRL

barura wrote: »

Get lawer, sue NCPS. That would be much more prominent at making a stand. Asking someone to break the law on your behalf is such a childish way to sort out your problem.

How is he breaking the law by simply removing a nuisance clamp instead of paying €120 to them.

barura

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

How is he breaking the law by simply removing a nuisance clamp instead of paying €120 to them.

It was shown in other threads on this subject that doing damage to the clamp is actually material damage to NCPS, or something along those lines. Plenty of videos on youtube of people who remove there suspension components to remove the clamp without damaging the NCPS property.

Greenmachine

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

So how did you get clamped OP? Was it unjust or did you break some parking rules on private property? Please be honest.

Getting clamped by an unlicensed authority. Doesn't matter how it happened they have no authority. The sooner they jail the owners of these companies the better. What they are doing is nothing short of criminal.

PizzamanIRL

Greenmachine wrote: »

Getting clamped by an unlicensed authority. Doesn't matter how it happened they have no authority. The sooner they jail the owners of these companies the better. What they are doing is nothing short of criminal.

People just accept getting clamped and pay because the majority think they are authorised. Its scandalous intimidation.

Kingkong

Okay - This thread was not started to open a debate on clamping and had a simple request.

The law is clear private clamping is illegal and by extension removing it from a my property is legal allowed. If someone put a chain on your bicycle or even your house surely you have every right to remove it in order to access your own property.

eringobragh

Kingkong wrote: »

Okay - This thread was not started to open a debate on clamping and had a simple request.

The law is clear private clamping is illegal and by extension removing it from a my property is legal allowed. If someone put a chain on your bicycle or even your house surely you have every right to remove it in order to access your own property.

Well did ye remove it or what?...I would have dropped up to you with my snips only I left the car in work

Kingkong

Just got it removed now by ncps, couldnt get it off as hadn't the tools to unblot the wishbone and didnt have snips!

Very annoyed, just back from hols and had been using the under ground for months in an unused space that I was told I could use.

Really want to invest in snips now, never payin it again.

T-Maxx

I'm delighted.

BMJD

well that was a disappointing end to your battle

Fred Swanson

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congo_90

Were you in apartments or where?you could *borrow a locals sticker* allowing you to park there. Or the clamp fsiry might help jist remember to be seen somewhere else. Also i think its apcoa?

congo_90

Just read op last post ah boo next time keep an anglegrinder and camcorder in your boot or fit big ass tyres!

gurramok

Kingkong wrote: »

Just got it removed now by ncps, couldnt get it off as hadn't the tools to unblot the wishbone and didnt have snips!

Jayzus, i'm only up the road from you. You shouldn't have paid, us boardies would have helped you get that clamp off!

fullstop

Fred Swanson wrote: »

NCPS 1 Victims 0. :mad:

I love this, just park legally and they won't clamp you, or if they do in the wrong they'll remove it.

I've been clamped 3 times by Apcoa. I paid and appealed the first time and got my money back (got more than I paid as the release fee went up in the meantime) and the other 2 times were wrongly clamped after I registered by text to park in the area. I explained their error (angrily!) and they removed the clamp both times without charge.

belcampprisoner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QkM-dWAXOs

djimi

Kingkong wrote: »

Okay - This thread was not started to open a debate on clamping and had a simple request.

The law is clear private clamping is illegal and by extension removing it from a my property is legal allowed. If someone put a chain on your bicycle or even your house surely you have every right to remove it in order to access your own property.

The law is far from clear on clamping; otherwise we wouldn't see this debate everytime the matter comes up.

If it was properly clear cut illegal then it wouldn't be happening. If you actually want to make a stand against clamping then take one of them through the court system and get a proper ruling against them.

jd

djimi wrote: »

If it was properly clear cut illegal then it wouldn't be happening. If you actually want to make a stand against clamping then take one of them through the court system and get a proper ruling against them.

A (multiple) apartment owner (in Northwood, funnily enough) brought the OMC and NCPS to court. He was given a temporary injunction, but in the end the judge refused to renew it and told him to pay his service charges. I don't think it went to a full hearing, so legal situation re. clamping was not resolved.

Testacalda

two brothers close to me had a novel idea

one of them parked for the night in our apartment complex where his girlfriend was living, but did not realise that in order to park in the visitor car par spaces he also needed a permit. So he came out in the morning and their was a clamp on the front of his Hilux

The other brother arrived an hour later with a tilt bed revovery trailer with a big winch on it. They managed to winch the jeep on the the trailer with the clamp still on the hilux, it kinds just skidded its way up.

Off they went, never damaged the clamp, just moved it to a different location

I assume the clampers would have figured it out, but if he got the clamp off un damaged, which would be possible by dissassembling some of the suspension components as home, and returned it, I suppose he could not be charged as the fee is a 'release fee' isn't it

OldmanMondeo

So OP parked where he shouldn't. I presume there was clamping sings around. What difference is getting clamped to the owner locking the gates? Would you cut the gates? Damage the lock on that? No matter what your vies on clamping, I personally do not agree, however it is around, shady or not. If you get clamped 99 out of 100 it is your fault. There is the odd time when mistakes happen.

T-Maxx

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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FYP:cool:

UDP

€120 for a few months parking is not too bad. I am all for people taking off clamps except when people are clearly taking the piss as it seems in this case.

Alan_P

Kingkong wrote: »

Just got it removed now by ncps, couldnt get it off as hadn't the tools to unblot the wishbone and didnt have snips!

Very annoyed, just back from hols and had been using the under ground for months in an unused space that I was told I could use.

Really want to invest in snips now, never payin it again.

If you paid by credit card, ring up the credit card company tomorrow and tell them you're refusing the charge. You're legally entitled to do that, and the clamping outfit will never dispute it.

Greenmachine

Alan_P wrote: »

If you paid by credit card, ring up the credit card company tomorrow and tell them you're refusing the charge. You're legally entitled to do that, and the clamping outfit will never dispute it.

Wrong. MBNA refused to cancel such a charge on my behalf.

mullingar

Greenmachine wrote: »

Wrong. MBNA refused to cancel such a charge on my behalf.

On what grounds did they refuse the chargeback?

Fred Swanson

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Greenmachine

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I will have to dig out the letter later. They cancelled my card and issued me a new number all for nothing. To be honest I think they were just too cowardly to ask NCPS for the money back.

OldmanMondeo

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

...What difference is getting clamped to the owner locking the gates? Would you cut the gates? Damage the lock on that?...

Actually S9 Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act 1994 specifically makes it an offence to, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, prevent the free passage of any person or vehicle in a public place (as defined in the aforementioned act).

Therefore, under the circumstances you described, locking a gate and preventing exit of a person from a public place, is an offence, and liable for a class E fine. If someone locked gates and prevented you from leaving, simply ring the Garda.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0002/sec0009.html#sec9

zenno

I think some of you people need to spend a few hours learning lock-picking. Saves all the hassle in the end and only takes one or two minutes to pick the lock, a lot less if you are good at it. Google Southord lock-picks. Better to use brain than brawn.

zenno

zenno wrote: »

I think some of you people need to spend a few hours learning lock-picking. Saves all the hassle in the end and only takes one or two minutes to pick the lock, a lot less if you are good at it. Google Southord lock-picks. Better to use brain than brawn.

Very true, but its unlawful to carry lock picks (or anything which could be used for theft etc I believe) outside your home. This would also cover a grinder, but it would be easier to defend having a grinder in the car over a set of lock picks.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/en/act/pub/0050/sec0015.html#sec15

Edit:
Just re-read the legislation. Seems im wrong. Would be a good test case for court.

ElKavo

I have to say i'm really enjoying this thread. I would just like to add this tutorial video to the mix on clamp removal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqV5vJdH-TA

LOL