Depreciation

Donne

Let's say you load a particular car with maybe €4000 worth of extras.

Will this count for much extra when you come to sell your car over and above the milage you've clocked up?

colm_mcm

Some more than others but on the whole they just make the car easier to sell rather than adding value.

Leather is probably the biggest one and even that only holds a small fraction.

MuppetCheck

No, the extras make it easier to sell but it is money down the drain. The only value you get is your own satisfaction in having the car you want.

galvo_clare

Donne wrote: »

Let's say you load a particular car with maybe €4000 worth of extras.

Will this count for much extra when you come to sell your car over and above the milage you've clocked up?

It sometimes depends on the car. A 5 Series for example would be expected to have leather so if you don't spec that you might find it very hard to sell and have to drop your price.
Leather on something like a Golf is a waste of money because it's not expected in that class of car and secondhand buyers won't pay extra for it.

Donne

The new Golf
Your configuration
1
Model
Golf Highline 1.4 TSI ACT BlueMotion Technology 103 kW (140 HP) 7-speed DSG
€ 28,495
Top coat: metallic
Night Blue Metallic
€ 574
Interior trim fabric Seat
Covering/Dashboard/Carpet/Headliner
Shetland/Black/Titan Black/Shetland
Optional equipment
Electrically adjustable driver's seat
€ 697
Drawer under left front seat
Electric seat adjustment for right seat manual height adjustment for left seat
Electrically adjustable lumbar support for right front seat
Adaptive cruise control ACC
€ 173
8T8
Ambient traffic monitoring
Climatronic air-conditioning
€ 872
Climatronic with impact pressure control free of cfc
Fresh air intake system with activated charcoal canister
17" 'Geneva' Alloy Wheels
€ 253
Alloy wheels 7J x 17
H95
Wheel bolts with anti-theft protection (unlockable)
Navigation feature "Discover Media"
€ 553
Navigation system - Standard
With CD drive and two SD card slots
Panorama sunroof
€ 1,123
Spoiler roof
Sports suspension
€ 0
Multi-function leather steering wheel W/ Gearshift (3-Spoke)
€ 127
Bi-Xenon headlamps & cornering light incl. LED separate daytime running lights
€ 1,579
Gas discharge headlights with dynamic bending light
Headlight washer system
Headlight-range adjustment, automatic/ dynamic with dynamic bending light (AFS 1)
Washer fluid level indicator

The new Golf
Your configuration
2
Sports Pack
€ 494
Anti-theft alarm system "Plus"
€ 315
Anti-theft alarm system "Plus"
Radio remote controlled central locking operated from inside and safe securing
Parallel Park Assist incl. Park Distance Control
€ 795
Exterior mirrors: with memory function, electrically adjustable, separately heated
Parallel parking assistant
Leather "Vienna" trim
€ 1,900
Heated front seats
Winter pack
€ 504
Headlight washer system
Heated front seats
Heated washer nozzles, front
Washer fluid level indicator
SD card (Europe)
€ 0
"Rear Assist" rear view camera
€ 236
Multi-function display 'Premium' with multi-color display
€ 164
Steel spare wheel with alloy road tyres
€ 249
65% light-absorbing glass in rear side windows and rear window
€ 0
Keyless access
€ 389
Total price
€ 39,493


The new Golf
Your configuration
3
Technical specifications
Fuel consumption - urban 5.8 l/100km
Fuel consumption /CO2-emissions
Fuel consumption - extra-urban 4.1 l/100km
Fuel consumption - combined 4.7 l/100km
CO2-emissions - combined 110 g/km
Technical specifications
Engine type Four Cylinder diesel
Engine
Cubic capacity, ltrs/cc 1,395
Max. output HP (KW) / at rpm 140 (103) / 4,500-6,000
Max. torque / Nm at rpm 250 / 1,500-3,500
Fuel tank capacity, ltrs ca. 50
Emission class Euro 5
Gearbox 7 speed DSG
Technical specifications
Top speed (where the law permits), km/h 212
Performance
Acceleration, secs 0-100 KM/H 8,4
Technical specifications
Unladen weight, kgs 1,290
Weights
Gross vehicle weight, kgs 1,800
Technical specifications
Braked 12% incline, kgs 1,500
Trailer load limits
Max. roof load, kgs 75
Technical specifications
Length, mm 4,255
Exterior dimensions
Width - excluding door mirrors, mm 1,799
Heigth, mm 1The new Golf
Your configuration
1
Model
Golf Highline 1.4 TSI ACT BlueMotion Technology 103 kW (140 HP) 7-speed DSG
€ 28,495
Top coat: metallic
Night Blue Metallic
€ 574
Interior trim fabric Seat
Covering/Dashboard/Carpet/Headliner
Shetland/Black/Titan Black/Shetland
Optional equipment
Electrically adjustable driver's seat
€ 697
Drawer under left front seat
Electric seat adjustment for right seat manual height adjustment for left seat
Electrically adjustable lumbar support for right front seat
Adaptive cruise control ACC
€ 173
8T8
Ambient traffic monitoring
Climatronic air-conditioning
€ 872
Climatronic with impact pressure control free of cfc
Fresh air intake system with activated charcoal canister
17" 'Geneva' Alloy Wheels
€ 253
Alloy wheels 7J x 17
H95
Wheel bolts with anti-theft protection (unlockable)
Navigation feature "Discover Media"
€ 553
Navigation system - Standard
With CD drive and two SD card slots
Panorama sunroof
€ 1,123
Spoiler roof
Sports suspension
€ 0
Multi-function leather steering wheel W/ Gearshift (3-Spoke)
€ 127
Bi-Xenon headlamps & cornering light incl. LED separate daytime running lights
€ 1,579
Gas discharge headlights with dynamic bending light
Headlight washer system
Headlight-range adjustment, automatic/ dynamic with dynamic bending light (AFS 1)
Washer fluid level indicator

The new Golf
Your configuration
2
Sports Pack
€ 494
Anti-theft alarm system "Plus"
€ 315
Anti-theft alarm system "Plus"
Radio remote controlled central locking operated from inside and safe securing
Parallel Park Assist incl. Park Distance Control
€ 795
Exterior mirrors: with memory function, electrically adjustable, separately heated
Parallel parking assistant
Leather "Vienna" trim
€ 1,900
Heated front seats
Winter pack
€ 504
Headlight washer system
Heated front seats
Heated washer nozzles, front
Washer fluid level indicator
SD card (Europe)
€ 0
"Rear Assist" rear view camera
€ 236
Multi-function display 'Premium' with multi-color display
€ 164
Steel spare wheel with alloy road tyres
€ 249
65% light-absorbing glass in rear side windows and rear window
€ 0
Keyless access
€ 389
Total price
€ 39,493


The new Golf
Your configuration
3
Technical specifications
Fuel consumption - urban 5.8 l/100km
Fuel consumption /CO2-emissions
Fuel consumption - extra-urban 4.1 l/100km
Fuel consumption - combined 4.7 l/100km
CO2-emissions - combined 110 g/km
Technical specifications
Engine type Four Cylinder diesel
Engine
Cubic capacity, ltrs/cc 1,395
Max. output HP (KW) / at rpm 140 (103) / 4,500-6,000
Max. torque / Nm at rpm 250 / 1,500-3,500
Fuel tank capacity, ltrs ca. 50
Emission class Euro 5
Gearbox 7 speed DSG
Technical specifications
Top speed (where the law permits), km/h 212
Performance
Acceleration, secs 0-100 KM/H 8,4
Technical specifications
Unladen weight, kgs 1,290
Weights
Gross vehicle weight, kgs 1,800
Technical specifications
Braked 12% incline, kgs 1,500
Trailer load limits
Max. roof load, kgs 75
Technical specifications
Length, mm 4,255
Exterior dimensions
Width - excluding door mirrors, mm 1,799
Heigth, mm 1,452The new Golf
Your configuration
1
Model
Golf Highline 1.4 TSI ACT BlueMotion Technology 103 kW (140 HP) 7-speed DSG
€ 28,495
Top coat: metallic
Night Blue Metallic
€ 574
Interior trim fabric Seat
Covering/Dashboard/Carpet/Headliner
Shetland/Black/Titan Black/Shetland
Optional equipment
Electrically adjustable driver's seat
€ 697
Drawer under left front seat
Electric seat adjustment for right seat manual height adjustment for left seat
Electrically adjustable lumbar support for right front seat
Adaptive cruise control ACC
€ 173
8T8
Ambient traffic monitoring
Climatronic air-conditioning
€ 872
Climatronic with impact pressure control free of cfc
Fresh air intake system with activated charcoal canister
17" 'Geneva' Alloy Wheels
€ 253
Alloy wheels 7J x 17
H95
Wheel bolts with anti-theft protection (unlockable)
Navigation feature "Discover Media"
€ 553
Navigation system - Standard
With CD drive and two SD card slots
Panorama sunroof
€ 1,123
Spoiler roof
Sports suspension
€ 0
Multi-function leather steering wheel W/ Gearshift (3-Spoke)
€ 127
Bi-Xenon headlamps & cornering light incl. LED separate daytime running lights
€ 1,579
Gas discharge headlights with dynamic bending light
Headlight washer system
Headlight-range adjustment, automatic/ dynamic with dynamic bending light (AFS 1)
Washer fluid level indicator

The new Golf
Your configuration
2
Sports Pack
€ 494
Anti-theft alarm system "Plus"
€ 315
Anti-theft alarm system "Plus"
Radio remote controlled central locking operated from inside and safe securing
Parallel Park Assist incl. Park Distance Control
€ 795
Exterior mirrors: with memory function, electrically adjustable, separately heated
Parallel parking assistant
Leather "Vienna" trim
€ 1,900
Heated front seats
Winter pack
€ 504
Headlight washer system
Heated front seats
Heated washer nozzles, front
Washer fluid level indicator
SD card (Europe)
€ 0
"Rear Assist" rear view camera
€ 236
Multi-function display 'Premium' with multi-color display
€ 164
Steel spare wheel with alloy road tyres
€ 249
65% light-absorbing glass in rear side windows and rear window
€ 0
Keyless access
€ 389
Total price
€ 39,493


The new Golf
Your configuration
3
Technical specifications
Fuel consumption - urban 5.8 l/100km
Fuel consumption /CO2-emissions
Fuel consumption - extra-urban 4.1 l/100km
Fuel consumption - combined 4.7 l/100km
CO2-emissions - combined 110 g/km
Technical specifications
Engine type Four Cylinder diesel
Engine
Cubic capacity, ltrs/cc 1,395
Max. output HP (KW) / at rpm 140 (103) / 4,500-6,000
Max. torque / Nm at rpm 250 / 1,500-3,500
Fuel tank capacity, ltrs ca. 50
Emission class Euro 5
Gearbox 7 speed DSG
Technical specifications
Top speed (where the law permits), km/h 212
Performance
Acceleration, secs 0-100 KM/H 8,4
Technical specifications
Unladen weight, kgs 1,290
Weights
Gross vehicle weight, kgs 1,800
Technical specifications
Braked 12% incline, kgs 1,500
Trailer load limits
Max. roof load, kgs 75
Technical specifications
Length, mm 4,255
Exterior dimensions
Width - excluding door mirrors, mm 1,799
Heigth, mm 1,452

Donne

The above over-long list of what I'm probably going for in a Golf, is listed above.

Just wondering how much over the odds of the car itself, would count for the many extras listed in the previous post.

A question on whether it is worth spending that amount on a Golf or to go to a different brand of car?

colm_mcm

That's just mental, it'll still be a 1.4 golf at the end of the day.

Supergurrier

Not unless it's a MK5 Golf GTI 3 door with leather and DSG, as they still make mental money

Toyotafanboi

it just wouldn't be right to spec up a golf, particularly a petrol one, because people like me will still asume you have wind up windows and no central locking because that's the way VW would like it.

fair play though

mickdw

Are you mad?

peter barrins

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galwaytt

You'd be nuts to spec a 1.4 Golf like the above - a quick scan that I spot quick -

Forget factory navigation - €1123 ?? - it'll be out of date so quick you won't believe it - ask anyone who bought in-car SatNav 10 yrs ago - buy a TomTom or Garmin - that you can put in any car, for €200.

€697 for 'cloth' upholstery ? Really ? - or what - you get unupholstered plastic buckets ??? :rolleyes:

Forget Xenon's on a 1.4 Golf - complete waste of money

€800+ for climate and 'traffic monitoring' ? FFS. I'd want climate, but I wouldn't give anyone €800 for it.

€1123 for a sunroof ? Mental.

Unless you're buying leather, forget seat heating & winter pack. Personally I'd like the leather. But know this: you won't get €0.01 extra for it down the line. But the leather for YOU - not for the next guy - otherwise, just buy a 2nd hand car in the first place.

"Light absorbing Glass" ???
Forget keyless access for €389 - see recent thread on theft.

I like the ACC alright, and at €173 I'd keep that.

Park Assist...??? Hmmm........not sure what I'd do there tbh. Tehcnically it's a toy, and waste of money. But if you like toys, then knock yourself out.

€39k for a Golf - any Golf - let alone a 1.4 is barking mad - I don't care how many extras are in it.

In fact, with that much money, I wouldn't be looking at a Golf anything.

wonski

Donne wrote: »

The above over-long list of what I'm probably going for in a Golf, is listed above.

Just wondering how much over the odds of the car itself, would count for the many extras listed in the previous post.

A question on whether it is worth spending that amount on a Golf or to go to a different brand of car?

If it was me, i would remove things like external mirrors memory, rear view sensor (it isn't a passat), keyless entry, navigation system with cd and 2(?)sd slots. Fair play if you want well equipped car, but - if you are worried about deppreciation - i would buy only the toys i need. Winter pack - nice.
Think of what you really need and want, and what is- well - just a toy.
For me side mirrors memory is an useless toy. Same with keyless entry. What is wrong with pushing a button, and opening the door. And starting car with a key?

Take a leather, with heated seats, nice alloys and cruise control, and maybe one more item. Does the GPS unit have free updates? The thing is they bundled them all so if you want one, you have to take them all. Smart.

bazz26

€39k for a Golf, the world has gone mad.

peter barrins

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Syllabus

for 39k id buy a 10yr old mitz and pay a chunk off the house
and the mitz will still be going long after the vw



FFS - 39 for a vw!!!

wonski

Starting to think, what would 39k buy these days...will post soon!

colm_mcm

A gt86, nearly.

TT starts at 42
118d m sport coupe is around €36k

Supergurrier

wonski wrote: »

Starting to think, what would 39k buy these days...will post soon!

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/ford/focus-rs/1-owner-luxury-1-and-2-recaro-seat-upgrade-ford-warranty/1071344

Spend change on hookers and catch bars

peter barrins

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colm_mcm

Ds5 would be in budget, speaking of depreciation.

Mercedes A220 AMG daysul is €39500

wonski

Just realized you will get a lot for that money, much more than i thought.
New, well equipped s60(someone mentioned before), and even BMW 316i sport saloon with leather, and nice wheels(total price 37.195 euro, not sure if delivery and other charges are included, but still...).

unkel

€40k for a Golf 1.4

Could you up your budget a bit? About €250k will do for a full spec BMW 760i

Keep it for 10 years and I'll buy it off you for €5k if you keep it in perfect condition

Donne

Okay lads thanks for the feedback.

I realise I was out doing the March Hare in nuttiness!

I'll trim my sails well down, even though that spec was the absolute max.

Though I do like a comfy car, with a few gadgets.

I'd be trading in an Accord with basically all the mod cons, but with the downside of it being a 2 litre petrol gas guzzling, tax rip off (€780)

galvo_clare

Donne wrote: »

The new Golf
Your configuration
1
Model
Golf Highline 1.4 TSI ACT BlueMotion Technology 103 kW (140 HP) 7-speed DSG
€ 28,495


Total price
€ 39,493

What you've done there is turn a €28k car into a €40k car. You'll waste that money. By all means get a few choice options and good luck to you but don't go mad.
I had the 1.4 out on test and with options it ended up the same kind of price as you're talking about. I really felt it would be better shorn of the extras and certainly if I was spending my own money.
For €40k you could get a well-specced 3 series. Does that answer your question?

djimi

Donne wrote: »

I'd be trading in an Accord with basically all the mod cons, but with the downside of it being a 2 litre petrol gas guzzling, tax rip off (€780)

Youd buy a lot of tax with the sort of money you were thinking of spending on the Golf.

Plus give me an Accord over a Golf anyday; any Accord for that matter.

Atlantic Dawn

Donne wrote: »

I'd be trading in an Accord with basically all the mod cons, but with the downside of it being a 2 litre petrol gas guzzling, tax rip off (€780)

You are spending tens of thousands to save hundreds, you will need to keep the new car for about 20 years and assume motor tax remains unchanged to make any savings on what your currently driving.

Guy:Incognito

Syllabus wrote: »

FFS - 39 for a vw!!!

This attitude does my head in . Happens all the time, "x for a renault . Omg" etc. Its not even ffs-39k for a 1.4 golf" . Why should no vw cost 39k? Should a fully loaded phaeton only cost 25k because its a vw? What if peugeot started selling ferraris with peugeot badges on them, should they be below a particular figure that for some reason nothing with a certain badge should cost more than that?

Donne

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

This attitude does my head in . Happens all the time, "x for a renault . Omg" etc. Its not even ffs-39k for a 1.4 golf" . Why should no vw cost 39k? Should a fully loaded phaeton only cost 25k because its a vw? What if peugeot started selling ferraris with peugeot badges on them, should they be below a particular figure that for some reason nothing with a certain badge should cost more than that?

Ignoring the fact that Ferrari are owned by Fiat, for better or worse VW's hold their value to a much greater degree than Peugeots. You can call it badge engineering if you like, but thems the brakes.

On the main point, I would have not got the full spec. that I listed (though my trade in is pretty good). This thread though has clued me in a bit on on exluding shiny baubles and foucusing on things that would help to increase on things in the realm of safety.

Voodoomelon

€40k to spend on a car and you're looking at a 1.4 Golf. I'd give my left arm to have €40k to spend on a serious motor. A Golf though, madness!

Think of the metal you could get for €35k with a nice limp for running/repairs, the mind boggles!

Syllabus

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

This attitude does my head in . Happens all the time, "x for a renault . Omg" etc. Its not even ffs-39k for a 1.4 golf" . Why should no vw cost 39k? Should a fully loaded phaeton only cost 25k because its a vw? What if peugeot started selling ferraris with peugeot badges on them, should they be below a particular figure that for some reason nothing with a certain badge should cost more than that?

i wouldnt give 50p (old money) for any german or french tbh

never mind 40k for a car that'll be worth 5k in 7-10yrs

peter barrins

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Guy:Incognito

peter barrins wrote: »

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Well if anyone has top mechanical knowledge of cars its Jeremy Clarkson. :rolleyes:

peter barrins

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MarkN

Peter where's your logic that heated seats are a waste of money in this country coming from?!

We've had temperatures hovering around 0-1c over the last few days... but even when it's warmer, still a comfort thing.

They're one of the nicest optional extras known to man!!

Syllabus

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Well if anyone has top mechanical knowledge of cars its Jeremy Clarkson. :rolleyes:

has nothing to do with mechaniacl knowledge :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

hes driven more cars than you've had hot dinners - it only takes 1 drive in a pug to know its sh1te in fairness

Cash is king

Donne wrote: »

Okay lads thanks for the feedback.

I realise I was out doing the March Hare in nuttiness!

I'll trim my sails well down, even though that spec was the absolute max.

Though I do like a comfy car, with a few gadgets.

I'd be trading in an Accord with basically all the mod cons, but with the downside of it being a 2 litre petrol gas guzzling, tax rip off (€780)

Christ man you will get a newish A6 or A8 for that budget not a lousy Golf. Get a Quattro Avant or a 530D!!

Guy:Incognito

peter barrins wrote: »

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What does a Golf GTI sell for? Or an R32? They are golfs too. The notion that a VW cant be worth €39k is a stupid one. That was the statment btw, not that a 1.4 golf isnt worth €39k,that ANY VW isnt worth €39k.

Syllabus wrote: »

never mind 40k for a car that'll be worth 5k in 7-10yrs

Are there many €40k cars worth over €5k at 10 years old? Every 2003 Accord on Carzone is under €5k for example.

peter barrins

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Guy:Incognito

peter barrins wrote: »

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I did. Golfs are selling for that, just not 1.4's. The rest was in relation to where that particular discussion started, in reply to "FFS €39k for a VW".

peter barrins

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dgt

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What if peugeot started selling ferraris with peugeot badges on them,

Be careful what you wish for....



Moving swiftly on, I still can't believe it. 39k for a Golf. A 1.4 Golf.

I'd buy a house in another country with that and still have change over for my collection!

gambithh

peter barrins wrote: »

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put sportline/highline spec heated leather,dsg,panaramic sunroof on a decent engine you will be up at 50k on each of those .

is 40k worth it for a 1.4,i tend to say not.be nice spec in a gtd or gti but still expensive for such a simple car.
Irish vrt is the biggest issue here.

advertsfox

dgt wrote: »

Be careful what you wish for....

Is that the 406 Coupe to 360 kit?

ironclaw

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Are there many €40k cars worth over €5k at 10 years old? Every 2003 Accord on Carzone is under €5k for example.

Sat in a 2001 Lexus with the original receipt paid by credit card for €110k in the glove box. Bought that day (2012) for €5k cash. That's a loss of €26 every day for 11 years. Cars are the Niagara Falls of rapid depreciation.

And €39k for a new Golf is lunacy irregardless of any modification or extra. The distance you could make that money go on the second hand market is insane.

piston

peter barrins wrote: »

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And my 1995 205 with 200,000 miles on the clock has just passed it's NCT first time after I washed it, replaced a split driveshaft boot and a bulb in the reversing light.

Idbatterim

for E34,340 you can get a new 3 series 316ES, with leather. No way would I pay anything like the 39k! If paying premium money I would want a premium car... You can get a new 520d for 44,500...

milltown

ironclaw wrote: »

And €39k for a new Golf is lunacy irregardless of any modification or extra. The distance you could make that money go on the second hand market is insane.

Such lunacy that we have to make up words to help describe it?

ironclaw

milltown wrote: »

Such lunacy that we have to make up words to help describe it?

Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis.

So calling someone out on the use of a non-standard word is worthy of a post these days in Motors? Sad day for all.

ThisRegard

milltown wrote: »

Such lunacy that we have to make up words to help describe it?

The word has been around a couple of hundred years and has been recognised in dictionaries since the 1900s.

ironclaw

ThisRegard wrote: »

The word has been around a couple of hundred years and has been recognised in dictionaries since the 1900s.

To be fair, it is disputed and non-standard. But certainly not worth trolling about.