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Selling scrap metal after plumbing job
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My experience with unvented cylinders and gas boilers / burners. Leaves me more fearful of the cylinders. I had a lad spent a night on lookout with one of these in a hospital. Just to be on the safe side.
depending on the CO levels determains how fast it will kill you. You and I know gary. To many safety advices mitigates these risks.
Great to hear that about the gas appliances. The provisions was there years ago for this to be done and should be compulsory.
All areas like schools playgrounds ect. Should not have domestic appliances like under water fitters fitted in.
I work for one of the largest gas boiler and cylinder manufactures in Europe and it's usually me that investigates any incidents in Ireland.
Domestically unvented cylinders usually don't pose a risk of explosion as the 6 bar is part of the combination valve so they have to fit it. I do find the Temperture/ Pressure safety valve can be left off a installation
The biggest injurys i find are heat related as excessive pressure opens a safety valve allowing a torrent of very hot water/steam to flood the property leading to burnt feet as commonly no discharge safety pipes are used or plastic pipe is used instead of copper.
My fear is a repeat of the young girl in England who burnt to death when the cylinder above burst allowing her to be drenched in very hot water, sadly.
Unfortunatly under sink water heaters are common place in the areas little people can be found. The heaters can be fitted with no discharge pipework with the safety valve pointing at the children who are using the sinks, these installations have been passed by H & S so my views tend to fall on deaf ears due to the costs involved in refitting the heaters safely, with no regulations I'm powerless to make safe:mad:0 -
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I work for one of the largest gas boiler and cylinder manufactures in Europe and it's usually me that investigates any incidents in Ireland.
Domestically unvented cylinders usually don't pose a risk of explosion as the 6 bar is part of the combination valve so they have to fit it. I do find the Temperture/ Pressure safety valve can be left off a installation
The biggest injurys i find are heat related as excessive pressure opens a safety valve allowing a torrent of very hot water/steam to flood the property leading to burnt feet as commonly no discharge safety pipes are used or plastic pipe is used instead of copper.
My fear is a repeat of the young girl in England who burnt to death when the cylinder above burst allowing her to be drenched in very hot water, sadly.
Unfortunatly under sink water heaters are common place in the areas little people can be found. The heaters can be fitted with no discharge pipework with the safety valve pointing at the children who are using the sinks, these installations have been passed by H & S so my views tend to fall on deaf ears due to the costs involved in refitting the heaters safely, with no regulations I'm powerless to make safe:mad:
been employed in the field you are. no need to worry. You are recession proof. Until all tradesmen in the domestic area are rated on a scale for carring out projects.
Iv seen these issues first hand myself over the years. However it would be rare to see any levels of that kind of incompetence in the industrial sector.
Maybe its a regulation needed primarily on the domestic plumbing section (its a lack of supervision and experience) . I do also see lads (no disrespect to anyone) that buy vans and go out on their own. That would be only fit for pipe clipping and lagging or a bit of pipework. They just have not got a clue.
I have been told by lads over the years. " your industrial" you wouldn't know about our game (domestic).
That proves their knowledge.
Its comical . I feel sorry for the unsuspecting customers. Everybody is learning everyday In this game. But unless you keep up skilling. You remain on a certain level. That's why I think all plumbers should be graded only after they complete an apprenticeship (no apprenticeship in the trade. you get a max (NG) no grade. regardless of the course you done.). Like in school NG to A1. With a minimum level of (C) to work unsupervised and (A) for a permit to carry out contracted work .That would Separate the wheat from the chaff .0 -
I didn't realise just how archaic the plumbing industry is until I started this thread.
In most industries it's pretty simple: The company quotes for a job, does the job, gets paid for that job.
If any waste material is placed to the side and the customer says he wants to keep it, he is perfectly entitled to as it is HIS property, which was paid for from a previous plumbing job years back. If the customer says he wants to get rid of other material (like rubble), then that's part of the clean-up operation (which is all included in the quote)
There are no requirements for additional "tippage" as they earned their wage doing the job.
This is how it works in the real world.
The sense of entitlement exhibited by some of those posting on this thread is laughable and I'm sure will serve them well in business
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been employed in the field you are. no need to worry. You are recession proof. Until all tradesmen in the domestic area are rated on a scale for carring out projects.
Iv seen these issues first hand myself over the years. However it would be rare to see any levels of that kind of incompetence in the industrial sector.
Maybe its a regulation needed primarily on the domestic plumbing section (its a lack of supervision and experience) . I do also see lads (no disrespect to anyone) that buy vans and go out on their own. That would be only fit for pipe clipping and lagging or a bit of pipework. They just have not got a clue.
I have been told by lads over the years. " your industrial" you wouldn't know about our game (domestic). That proves their knowledge.
Its comical . I feel sorry for the unsuspecting customers. Everybody is learning everyday In this game. But unless you keep up skilling. You remain on a certain level. That's why I think all plumbers should be graded only after they complete an apprenticeship (no apprenticeship in the trade. you get a max (NG) no grade. regardless of the course you done.). Like in school NG to A1. With a minimum level of (C) to work unsupervised and (A) for a permit to carry out contracted work .That would Separate the wheat from the chaff .
Do you on much work on industrial gas and oil burners?
I'm just been nosy by the way!0 -
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