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Kieran Dennisons motion and Corduff parking issue

  • 29-03-2013 10:54am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2


    I was reading over a month ago that Sinn fein attempted to prevent students from Blanchardstown IT, parking in Corduff. My sister attends the Blanchradstown IT and simply cannot afford the parking costs, so she parks safely in Corduff from Monday to Friday and walks across.

    I thought it was a joke, but I have just seen this.

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    Apparently, Kieran Dennison of Fine Gael lodged a motion yesterday, to Fingal council as follows, and I was wondering what people felt about this?
    My own view is that I can park on a public street safely as long as I pay my road tax and the Gardi have confirmed that my sister is doing nothing wrong.

    Have Sinn Fein gone a step too far?


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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,351 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    I think that's definitely a step too far and action should be taken against whoever put up the signs. But while I have no time at all for SF, I certainly don't think that Dennison is helping things by calling them a para-military group seeing as they're considered a legitimate political party by pretty much everyone these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,717 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    An utterly shameful and despicable stunt by Sinn Fein, who at every turn betray their intimidatory nature and lawless past/present. Putting their party logo on an illegal sign says everything you need to know.

    Public streets are available for parking to anyone on a first come first served basis with a properly taxed car, notwithstanding any legal parking controls or traffic markings which prevent it.

    Ironically Sinn Fein would usually be the first to cry indignity if a public location was 'privatised' in any way.

    Sinn Fein are apparently scratching their heads about a worse than expected showing in Meath East yesterday. Their difficulty is they honestly think voters dont perceive their duplicitous hypocrisy. Pure gangsterism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Finglas Incubus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 D15 Head


    That is where I first seen the photos ! ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    I hate Sinn Fein but i have to agree with them on this one. Im sure that the people living near Clonsilla train station would agree with them as well seeing the amount of cars that get dumped outside their houses everyday making it unsafe for kids to play outside their own homes because of the extra traffic by non-residents.
    I think that this is just Dennison trying to gain some support for his own political career.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,717 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    I hate Sinn Fein but i have to agree with them on this one. Im sure that the people living near Clonsilla train station would agree with them as well seeing the amount of cars that get dumped outside their houses everyday making it unsafe for kids to play outside their own homes because of the extra traffic by non-residents.
    I think that this is just Dennison trying to gain some support for his own political career.

    Of course Dennison is, but thats the way it works, and hes going the correct way about it. If people disagree with him they will argue it out in the Council chamber.

    If you hate Sinn Fein, then don't condone their variation on a 'sniper at work' sign in Corduff. I know the situation near Clonsilla station but legal parking restrictions have been brought in and extended to deal with that, the very same could be pursued in Corduff without this intimidation from Sinn Féin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    I hate Sinn Fein but i have to agree with them on this one. Im sure that the people living near Clonsilla train station would agree with them as well seeing the amount of cars that get dumped outside their houses everyday making it unsafe for kids to play outside their own homes because of the extra traffic by non-residents.
    I think that this is just Dennison trying to gain some support for his own political career.

    The bottom line is it's a public road and any member of the public is entitled to park there, SF are trying to intimidate people who do.

    As for Dennison I strongly disagree with you. The Corduff residents are in his electoral area, the students who drive to ITB are unlikely to reside in the area, therefore he is potentially alienating some of his electorate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Of course Dennison is, but thats the way it works, and hes going the correct way about it. If people disagree with him they will argue it out in the Council chamber.

    If you hate Sinn Fein, then don't condone their variation on a 'sniper at work' sign in Corduff. I know the situation near Clonsilla station but legal parking restrictions have been brought in and extended to deal with that, the very same could be pursued in Corduff without this intimidation from Sinn Féin.

    I dont think its intimidation ,its just highlighting the problem and calling it a variation of the "Sniper at work" sign is a bit OTT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    In an area like corduff with a sign like this with sinn feins logo clearly printed for this reason underneath I'd definately feel intimidated to park there as unfortunately sinn fein isn't known for its level headed supporters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    athtrasna wrote: »
    The bottom line is it's a public road and any member of the public is entitled to park there, SF are trying to intimidate people who do.

    As for Dennison I strongly disagree with you. The Corduff residents are in his electoral area, the students who drive to ITB are unlikely to reside in the area, therefore he is potentially alienating some of his electorate.

    Having a go at Sinn Fein is not addressing the issue at hand though is it?
    I doubt if Sinn Fein have any issues with non residents parking anywhere in Corduff if they have a reason to be there.
    If they are going to ITB then they can park there cant they and not clog up a housing estate.
    Is Dennison in favour of Corduff become a car park ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    elfy4eva wrote: »
    In an area like corduff with a sign like this with sinn feins logo clearly printed for this reason underneath I'd definately feel intimidated to park there as unfortunately sinn fein isn't known for its level headed supporters.

    Personally i think that someone would be mad to abandon their car in Corduff for the day and expect all the windows to be intact when they get back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Having a go at Sinn Fein is not addressing the issue at hand though is it?
    I doubt if Sinn Fein have any issues with non residents parking anywhere in Corduff if they have a reason to be there.
    If they are going to ITB then they can park there cant they and not clog up a housing estate.
    Is Dennison in favour of Corduff become a car park ?

    ITB do not offer free parking to students and their campus is also enforced by one of the more unfavorable clamping agencies


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    While I might not agree with how they're going about it I kind of agree that this parking issue is a problem.

    It's not just like people are parking in the car park at the shops, they're all over the roads. It's dangerous in places. Trying to get out onto the main road at the bottom of Sheephill Park is annoying at times even when it's just locals parked there, add another 20 cars all over the place and it's impossible. Parent's trying to pick up their kids from school can't get parked.

    It has become a real issue. I don't like any political party using local issues to their own gains, as is so often the case with Sinn Fein, but I do think this particular one is an issue that needs to be dealt with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Having to pay for parking at the IT is backward and stupid, then again so is the fact it is not on a direct bus route for most of D15.


  • Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    D15 Head wrote: »
    My own view is that I can park on a public street safely as long as I pay my road tax

    No such thing as road tax.
    You pay motor tax.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Morag wrote: »
    Having to pay for parking at the IT is backward and stupid, then again is the fact it is not one the bus route for most of D15.

    The 220, 238, 17a all go by the centre, through the village or Hartstown/Blakestown and all come within a short stroll of the IT. The 38 comes out from town.

    So that's Finglas covered twice. Cabra, Phibsborough, anywhere in town, the Navan road, Castleknock, Blanch Village, Hartstown, Huntstown, Blakestown, Ladyswell, Tyrrelstown. All covered by bus routes.

    Not to mention that a good portion of those are within walking distance of the IT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    elfy4eva wrote: »
    ITB do not offer free parking to students and their campus is also enforced by one of the more unfavorable clamping agencies

    So to save a few quid, the answer is to turn a housing estate into the collage car park?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    The 220, 238, 17a all go by the centre, through the village or Hartstown/Blakestown and all come within a short stroll of the IT. The 38 comes out from town.

    So that's Finglas covered twice. Cabra, Phibsborough, anywhere in town, the Navan road, Castleknock, Blanch Village, Hartstown, Huntstown, Blakestown, Ladyswell, Tyrrelstown. All covered by bus routes.

    Not to mention that a good portion of those are within walking distance of the IT.

    220, 238, 17a are all irregular buses, and I don't consider a bus stop to be 20-30 mins walk from the IT to be enough for the IT to be on it's bus route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Justin10


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    So to save a few quid, the answer is to turn a housing estate into the collage car park?

    €80 for the year.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Morag wrote: »
    220, 238, 17a are all irregular buses, and I don't consider a bus stop to be 20-30 mins walk from the IT to be enough for the IT to be on it's bus route.

    17a is every 20 minutes. Hardly irregular. Not sure where you're getting off the bus that it's taking 20-30 minutes to walk to the IT?

    238, 220 and 38 all go past Corduff shops which is a short walk. 17a stops at the Aquatic centre which adds maybe 5 minutes at a slow stroll.

    Even if there were no buses at all in the area it doesn't make it okay to use the housing estates as car parks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Again Direct bus route, if you get the 220 it goes around the harts down loop, then into the shopping centre, the village, the hospital then up by the Nac and then corduff shops, in all an incredibe route twisting back on it's self for easily 40 mins where there is traffic.

    The 238 runs once an hour and you have to get to the shopping center to get on it, again does not service the majority of Dublin 15, the 17a does run ever 20 mins but again you have to get to the center and tbh there is nto much difference in the distance to walk from the center to the IT as it to get the 17a up the snugbourogh road and walk from there.

    The 38/a will get you there but you have to go down to the village to try and catch it, and it is infrequent, so again no direct route for the majority of the Dublin 15 area.

    Most of the students who do drive are coming form the far side of the city or from meath/louth/kildare were just is not the linked up transport.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Morag wrote: »
    Again Direct bus route, if you get the 220 it goes around the harts down loop, then into the shopping centre, the village, the hospital then up by the Nac and then corduff shops, in all an incredibe route twisting back on it's self for easily 40 mins where there is traffic.

    The 238 runs once an hour and you have to get to the shopping center to get on it, again does not service the majority of Dublin 15, the 17a does run ever 20 mins but again you have to get to the center and tbh there is nto much difference in the distance to walk from the center to the IT as it to get the 17a up the snugbourogh road and walk from there.

    The 38/a will get you there but you have to go down to the village to try and catch it, and it is infrequent, so again no direct route for the majority of the Dublin 15 area.

    Most of the students who do drive are coming form the far side of the city or from meath/louth/kildare were just is not the linked up transport.

    Your first post was about there being no direct bus for most of D15. This one seems to be about there being no direct bus route for you.

    When I was at college in UCD I had to get two buses every day and it took up to 2 hours during morning and evening traffic. God forbid some of you might have to go to the centre or go a bit of an indirect route on a bus.

    If student's at the IT have a problem with the bus routes they should contact Dublin Bus or ask the IT to do something about it.

    As for students coming from surrounding counties, they chose to go to Blanch IT, they should have taken the transport issues into account before choosing it. Again, it's up to the IT to provide services for their students, not the local housing estates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    So to save a few quid, the answer is to turn a housing estate into the collage car park?

    Don't get me wrong I do agree that it is very annoying for residents, I'm more opposed to the IT charging students for parking in the first place.

    But if you were a broke student faced with either paying for a parking permit on the campus or parking on a public road for free close by. Which from what has been posted seems that they are well within their rights to do then you'll probably go with the free option.

    However if somebody is parked unsafely in the estate then surely it can be reported to the Gards.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    elfy4eva wrote: »
    But if you were a broke student faced with either paying for a parking permit on the campus or parking on a public road for free close by. Which from what has been posted seems that they are well within their rights to do then you'll probably go with the free option.

    How broke can you be if you're running a car?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    How broke can you be if you're running a car?

    Err broke enough to not want to pay for something when theres a free alternative nearby.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    elfy4eva wrote: »
    Err broke enough to not want to pay for something when theres a free alternative nearby.

    There isn't a free alternative near by though. There's public roads and housing estates near by.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    There isn't a free alternative near by though. There's public roads and housing estates near by.

    Yea and they can park on public roads legally for free apparently. Again I don't like the fact that it happens any more than you do but it was inevitable for it to happen from the moment it was decided to charge for campus parking.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    elfy4eva wrote: »
    Yea and they can park on public roads legally for free apparently. Again I don't like the fact that it happens any more than you do but it was inevitable for it to happen from the moment it was decided to charge for campus parking.

    Well that's up to the students to take up with the IT. Do students not protest anymore? Park your cars on the road into the IT. Refuse to move them. If they clamp them refuse to pay the fee to have them released. Can't imagine they'd be happy with their entire campus being clogged up with abandoned cars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    Well that's up to the students to take up with the IT. Do students not protest anymore? Park your cars on the road into the IT. Refuse to move them. If they clamp them refuse to pay the fee to have them released. Can't imagine they'd be happy with their entire campus being clogged up with abandoned cars.

    There has been absolute stink kicked up to the college by both students and local residents from what I've heard and the only thing the college has done is to ask students not to park locally, but of course it's still going to happen if they're within their rights to do it.

    If Sinn Fein really wanted to help the community they should deal with the college about this issue to help Both the students and the residents at the same time, instead of trying to scaremonger.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Rochey18 wrote: »
    €80 for the year.

    Nothing wrong with that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    elfy4eva wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong I do agree that it is very annoying for residents, I'm more opposed to the IT charging students for parking in the first place.

    But if you were a broke student faced with either paying for a parking permit on the campus or parking on a public road for free close by. Which from what has been posted seems that they are well within their rights to do then you'll probably go with the free option.

    However if somebody is parked unsafely in the estate then surely it can be reported to the Gards.

    Broke student? :) No money for parking but enough to go on the lash at the weekends and run a car.
    I agree that its wrong for the students to be charged for parking at their own college but taking it out on the residents of Corduff isnt the answer.
    I cant see the insurance crowd being too sympathetic when the claims go in about any damage that may occur after a student tells them that they had abandoned the car in an housing estate whilst they went to college.
    Its strange that Dennison only has a go at Sinn Fein and not the college also this talk of scaremongering is a bit silly as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Justin10


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with that.

    Never said there was, just stating how much it was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Broke student? :) No money for parking but enough to go on the lash at the weekends and run a car.

    I'm sure paying for the parking could be afforded. My point was that when money is tight and when there's a free and legal alternative way to park they will of course opt for that.
    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    I agree that its wrong for the students to be charged for parking at their own college but taking it out on the residents of Corduff isnt the answer.

    Nobody is taking it out on the residents of Corduff, I can guarantee it is not being done maliciously. Students are reacting to the new charges in front of them and opting for a free option.
    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    also this talk of scaremongering is a bit silly as well.

    Well you may be right here, I cannot speak for the reasoning Sinn Fein has for erecting no parking posters with their party logo on it. Personally I would definitely be put off parking anywhere if I saw one for risk of running into one of the party's more unsavoury supporters. Anyway whatever the reason they're still illegal posters.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    elfy4eva wrote: »
    I'm sure paying for the parking could be afforded. My point was that when money is tight and when there's a free and legal alternative way to park they will of course opt for that.
    Nobody is taking it out on the residents of Corduff, I can guarantee it is not being done maliciously. Students are reacting to the new charges in front of them and opting for a free option.

    I get what you're saying here but you can't just opt for "a free option" when it affects other people. Some public toilets charge an entrance fee, can I just pee on the ground outside because it's a free option? Bit of an extreme example, I know, but the point remains.

    Well you may be right here, I cannot speak for the reasoning Sinn Fein has for erecting no parking posters with their party logo on it. Personally I would definitely be put off parking anywhere if I saw one for risk of running into one of the party's more unsavoury supporters. Anyway whatever the reason they're still illegal posters.

    I agree that Sinn Fein's method of dealing with this is a typical Sinn Fein stunt. If they, or any other party want to assist the residents of Corduff in getting this issue sorted they should be discussing it with the IT and trying to come to a solution that helps everyone. Not threatening people, or attempting to take the law into their own hands. Like I said, it's typical Sinn Fein.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    I get what you're saying here but you can't just opt for "a free option" when it affects other people. Some public toilets charge an entrance fee, can I just pee on the ground outside because it's a free option? Bit of an extreme example, I know, but the point remains.

    You can't just pee on the ground because that's illegal. In this situation however parking on a public road (when done safely) is not illegal. And if it's not done safely it can be reported to the Gards. I totally accept that it's a **** deal for the members of the Corduff community and that's why I would direct my distaste towards ITB, as the government aren't going to change the law in public parking over this one situation.

    So it's going to need to be dealt with in a more tactful way.
    I feel that way is through a unified protest to the ITB management.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,977 ✭✭✭Polar101


    While it's odd that there's no free parking at ITB, 80€ a year is hardly expensive - if a student can afford to run a car then affording the parking fee should be possible too. 25 cents a day doesn't make a big change in a car budget, I'd think?

    I'd personally pay the fee, rather than risk my car getting damaged by someone who doesn't want non-residents to park in Corduff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭triple-M


    just buy a load of yellow paint and paint double yellow lines all around corduff and throw in a few pay and display parking areas and bobs your uncle problem solved,works well in portersgate(as far as I know)


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    triple-M wrote: »
    just buy a load of yellow paint and paint double yellow lines all around corduff and throw in a few pay and display parking areas and bobs your uncle problem solved,works well in portersgate(as far as I know)

    Doesn't really solve the problem as there isn't any real areas for cars to park, outside of the actual car park at the shops. They'd still all be on the road, which is the problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    Two stunts for the price of one. I can't make my mind up about which one is more cynical.

    #1 A cheap pole-climbing picture opportunity for a person who was on the Council for the area and should know that the strip of pavement outside a private house is public land. The ONLY case where you have a complaint is when your drive is blocked.

    #2 An carefully worded, and deviously crafted time-bomb by the hippocrite who supported similar nonsense at Porterstown. This is just elbow grease for the local papers.

    The real issues are why there is an inadequate bus service to ITB, and in knowing that student numbers would rise the college authority kept a small car park and allowed a private company to charge the earth....


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    The real issues are why there is an inadequate bus service to ITB, and in knowing that student numbers would rise the college authority kept a small car park and allowed a private company to charge the earth....

    There is an inadequate bus service to and from Corduff and has been for years. You'd have thought the IT being there would have made things better not worse. They spent ages putting in bus lanes on the Snugborough Rd past the Aquatic centre and on the road past the IT and for what? The 17a only recently started coming this way, I'm not sure which ones, if any, use the bus lanes on the other road.

    Oh, I forgot, the 38 sometimes uses the bus lanes on the Snugborough Rd. during those times of the day that it decides not to come through Corduff. Which is ridiculous in itself. It's the one route that is specifically there to serve Corduff and it doesn't even manage to do that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    There is an inadequate bus service to and from Corduff and has been for years. You'd have thought the IT being there would have made things better not worse. They spent ages putting in bus lanes on the Snugborough Rd past the Aquatic centre and on the road past the IT and for what? The 17a only recently started coming this way, I'm not sure which ones, if any, use the bus lanes on the other road.

    Oh, I forgot, the 38 sometimes uses the bus lanes on the Snugborough Rd. during those times of the day that it decides not to come through Corduff. Which is ridiculous in itself. It's the one route that is specifically there to serve Corduff and it doesn't even manage to do that.

    Yes, still not a lot of options in that 17a.

    There is a service by the way which would have been perfect for me if it had existed when I went there. The frequency sucks though...... https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=202181593896128403632.0004ab511a35d3350227b&doflg=ptk&ie=UTF8&ll=53.413011,-6.390438&spn=0.059344,0.154324&z=13&vpsrc=6

    I think that Dublin Bus ran into trouble, but they were planning routes for the approaches to the college.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    Polar101 wrote: »
    While it's odd that there's no free parking at ITB, 80€ a year is hardly expensive - if a student can afford to run a car then affording the parking fee should be possible too. 25 cents a day doesn't make a big change in a car budget, I'd think?

    I'd personally pay the fee, rather than risk my car getting damaged by someone who doesn't want non-residents to park in Corduff.

    The fee isn't the only issue. Sometimes you just can't find a place and you end up driving out again. I did twice!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Rochey18 wrote: »
    Never said there was, just stating how much it was.

    I wasnt suggesting that you did. Sorry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    Just having a read of the thread this morning.

    Telling people they cannot park, when they can, is not on.

    SF are obviously not a paramilitary organisation so I'm sure Dennison is simply trying to stir it a little.

    I know a good bit about this issue and almost all local representatives have been on this issue for quite some time, but as allot on here have mentioned, the solution is with the ITB and they need to sort it. There is a shuttle service from the NAC to the ITB for students who want to park for free, but students are not really taking up the option.

    Gardi will and have removed cars parked badly or on corners etc.
    Cars parked in Corduff have been largely unaffected by vandalism with the exception of two incidents I'm aware of.

    Sinn Fein have no elected representative on the council in D15 and should never have pulled this stunt, but they are anxious to get a local seat in 2013 and are looking for issues to jump on at every opportunity.
    This such opportunity was badly thought out. Sinn Fein have their core support, but anyone else they have been trying to garner support from will treat this stunt with cynicism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭Arciphel


    Sinn Fein have their core support, but anyone else they have been trying to garner support from will treat this stunt with cynicism.

    I know someone who will be looking for their transfers in the next election though, and vice versa I would assume.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    Just having a read of the thread this morning.

    Telling people they cannot park, when they can, is not on.

    SF are obviously not a paramilitary organisation so I'm sure Dennison is simply trying to stir it a little.


    I know a good bit about this issue and almost all local representatives have been on this issue for quite some time, but as allot on here have mentioned, the solution is with the ITB and they need to sort it. There is a shuttle service from the NAC to the ITB for students who want to park for free, but students are not really taking up the option.

    Gardi will and have removed cars parked badly or on corners etc.
    Cars parked in Corduff have been largely unaffected by vandalism with the exception of two incidents I'm aware of.

    Sinn Fein have no elected representative on the council in D15 and should never have pulled this stunt, but they are anxious to get a local seat in 2013 and are looking for issues to jump on at every opportunity.
    This such opportunity was badly thought out. Sinn Fein have their core support, but anyone else they have been trying to garner support from will treat this stunt with cynicism.

    Spot on, especially your first couple of comments.

    I've had opportunities to meet most of the Councillors for the area and for the most part they all seem like normal intelligent people. Dennison seems smarmy and false to me. But the only person I can think of that I would trust less is the individual pulling the stunt in the photo.

    I was talking to a friend in Porters gate and they have a nightmare whenever anyone visits them in a car. I always walk over. But then I walk everywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    The real issues are why there is an inadequate bus service to ITB, and in knowing that student numbers would rise the college authority kept a small car park and allowed a private company to charge the earth....
    There is an hourly suttle bus from close to Coolmine train station to ITB via Blanch Centre and NAC.

    I am not sure if it is free or 5 euro a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,717 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Spot on, especially your first couple of comments.

    I've had opportunities to meet most of the Councillors for the area and for the most part they all seem like normal intelligent people. Dennison seems smarmy and false to me. But the only person I can think of that I would trust less is the individual pulling the stunt in the photo.

    I was talking to a friend in Porters gate and they have a nightmare whenever anyone visits them in a car. I always walk over. But then I walk everywhere.

    Because of the parking restrictions or because of no parking restrictions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Knine


    Try going to the shops during college hours and you will see how much of a problem the cars dumped everywhere causes. It means I simple can't go to the shops as I have a passenger who has limited mobility so many times I can't walk there. It is a nightmare if you are unfortunate to live in the area where these people simply seem to abandon their cars. One tried to do it outside my house blocking my access to my driveway and they were very quickly sent on their way.

    I would hate to have an emergency and need an ambulance the way some of the cars are parked. Why should the residents have to put up with it so some student can get out of paying 80 euro a year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    Knine wrote: »
    Try going to the shops during college hours and you will see how much of a problem the cars dumped everywhere causes. It means I simple can't go to the shops as I have a passenger who has limited mobility so many times I can't walk there. It is a nightmare if you are unfortunate to live in the area where these people simply seem to abandon their cars. One tried to do it outside my house blocking my access to my driveway and they were very quickly sent on their way.

    I would hate to have an emergency and need an ambulance the way some of the cars are parked. Why should the residents have to put up with it so some student can get out of paying 80 euro a year.


    OK, we all understand the points above, but you are pulling the most extreme examples.

    How would you propose resolving it for residents, apart from having the ITB make a change to their parking policy?

    Would you go with permit parking, or yellow lines etc?

    Tell me how you would allow relatives, say on confirmation day to park all over your road with the say yellow lines, permits needed etc?
    This is not an easy option to sort out. I would propose the ITB add €20 to everyone's fee at the start of the term, even if they do not drive and open up the car park to all.

    Not a perfect solution, but it's an effort.


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