Metal Gear Solid V officially announced.

danthefan

Everyone has known for a while that The Phantom Pain was MGS5 but it's official now.

- Apparently it's open world.
- David Hayter does NOT voice Snake Big Boss!

Trailer:

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/ddtl3d/metal-gear-solid-v--the-phantom-pain-reveal-trailer

Some uneventful gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52ngbRyoAPw

Josey Wales

Is that not the exact video, albeit a worse quality one, that was released at the VGAs?

danthefan

Josey Wales wrote: »

Is that not the exact video, albeit a worse quality one, that was released at the VGAs?

Pretty much. I think in the video about the bits where Snake is crawling about is player controlled. Exhilarating stuff, I know.

Paul1990

Hayter isn't doing Snake's voice?! It's just not Snake then.

SouthTippBass

Sweet, I just started playing the Metal Gear franchise this year. So far I'v played through MGS1, MGS3 and playing through MGS4 at the moment. I played through about 6 hours of MGS2, but got really frustrated at a section so I decided to leave it and come back.

Eh, anyway, yay more MGS!

tonydude

Paul1990 wrote: »

Hayter isn't doing Snake's voice?! It's just not Snake then.

don't understand why hes not involved in this, wont be the same snake even though its big boss

Penn

I don't mind that Hayter isn't doing the voice. It's Big Boss, not Snake. While Hayter voiced the young Big Boss in MGS3, they used a different VA for Big Boss in MGS4, so a new VA for the period in between doesn't bother me too much, and kinda makes sense.

SeantheMan

Wow that was awful,

Could be an intro for any run of the mill game, Kane and Lynch 3 even. Pretty bad standard for Konami.

What is it about ? when is it set ? is it Snake ?
All it needs is for the other guy to unmask and be....Jack Bauer !

I like Kiefer, he does decent voice overs.

Sephiroth_dude

Paul1990 wrote: »

Hayter isn't doing Snake's voice?! It's just not Snake then.

Very disappointing this.

Witcher

Penn wrote: »

I don't mind that Hayter isn't doing the voice. It's Big Boss, not Snake. While Hayter voiced the young Big Boss in MGS3, they used a different VA for Big Boss in MGS4, so a new VA for the period in between doesn't bother me too much, and kinda makes sense.

He voiced him in Peace Walker too so it'll be a noticeable difference. That said I don't really mind as much as if it were Solid Snake being changed..even though they're essentially the same character..SS is a bit more sacred to me:pac:

Retr0gamer

Nanomachines did it

Glico Man

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Nanomachines did it

He's also his own great grandmother

danthefan

Could they all be trolling us? Thinking back to MGS2, the whole Raiden thing was basically a secret until launch. Maybe that's Big Boss in the trailer but Snake is going to appear somewhere?

COYVB

tonydude wrote: »

don't understand why hes not involved in this, wont be the same snake even though its big boss

To be fair, it's not like he's sitting around doing nothing. He's a pretty busy guy, and I'd imagine he's got bigger fish to fry. Last I spoke to him he was writing a TV show

calex71

COYVB wrote: »

To be fair, it's not like he's sitting around doing nothing. He's a pretty busy guy, and I'd imagine he's got bigger fish to fry. Last I spoke to him he was writing a TV show

Still though I find it hard to believe he has better things to be doing than Keifer Sutherland

Vokes

Penn wrote: »

I don't mind that Hayter isn't doing the voice. It's Big Boss, not Snake. While Hayter voiced the young Big Boss in MGS3, they used a different VA for Big Boss in MGS4, so a new VA for the period in between doesn't bother me too much, and kinda makes sense.

Makes sense. Especially with the 9yrs of passing ...the voice would change a little over time. Perhaps we'll also see a young Solid Snake (Hayter) cameo at some point?

snausages

I'm surprised at Hayter's bitterness there. It makes perfect sense for him not to voice Big Boss again. They have to eventually justify the fact that they hired a different guy to voice him in MGS4. Otherwise we'd end up with a situation in a future MGS with Hayter talking to himself. It's pretty clear that Solid Snake isn't gone from this series. Maybe we'll see him again in a Metal Gear re-imagining. Those games don't really fit in too well with the MGS ones. MGS1 already had to retcon a load of stuff that wasn't in the old games, like Big Boss telling Snake he is his father.

snausages

SouthTippBass wrote: »

Sweet, I just started playing the Metal Gear franchise this year. So far I'v played through MGS1, MGS3 and playing through MGS4 at the moment. I played through about 6 hours of MGS2, but got really frustrated at a section so I decided to leave it and come back.

Eh, anyway, yay more MGS!

You really shouldn't go into MGS4 without finishing 2. 4 is complete jibberydook as it is. Without 2 it's complete nonsense.

Burky126

I'm not really too bothered with the voice change for MGSV,I think the main concern is that MGS can work as an open world game rather than the linear style of stealth gameplay that we are all familiar with.

At least they have Richard Doyle on board which is a logical choice and is a bit refreshing in my mind.Also it's been heavily speculated that there could be a chance that Solid Snake might make an appearence at some point within the frame of the timeline so that should appease some people...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/345106/metal-gear-solid-5-whats-next-for-metal-gear/

Also there's this to consider...

http://metalgearsolid.nl/?p=4571

Kojima said he believes story telling through cinematics has become a bit outdated, and therefore he used a new method of story telling for Ground Zeroes.

danthefan

I would trust Kojima to do something really innovative tbh, though I have no idea how MGS is going to work in an open world.

SouthTippBass

snausages wrote: »

You really shouldn't go into MGS4 without finishing 2. 4 is complete jibberydook as it is. Without 2 it's complete nonsense.

Yeah you might be right, think I'l head home tonight and get stuck back into 2 again. Where I was stuck was, on the Fatman boss fight. I couldnt figure out why my coolant spray wouldnt work properly. I would push the action button, and Raiden would move the coolant bottle forward, but the spray would only splutter intermittently.
A quick google reveals thats the PS3 has these very silly pressure sensitive buttons that I never knew about. So I needed to press down harder to activate the spray. As you can imagine it was with infinite frustration that I defused the four previous bombs.
When I couldnt figure that out at the time, I gave up and played through MGS3 instead.
So, I'm just up to the part in MGS4 where Raiden has made first contact with you through codec. And I'm thinking, seeing as I have no clue as to his story line in MGS2, it's the right time now to go and finish it off.

Its not like theres any rush anyways, we wont be seeing MGS5 until at least Christmas 2014! (my prediction)

sorry for rambling lol

snausages

SouthTippBass wrote: »

Yeah you might be right, think I'l head home tonight and get stuck back into 2 again. Where I was stuck was, on the Fatman boss fight. I couldnt figure out why my coolant spray wouldnt work properly. I would push the action button, and Raiden would move the coolant bottle forward, but the spray would only splutter intermittently.
A quick google reveals thats the PS3 has these very silly pressure sensitive buttons that I never knew about. So I needed to press down harder to activate the spray. As you can imagine it was with infinite frustration that I defused the four previous bombs.
When I couldnt figure that out at the time, I gave up and played through MGS3 instead.
So, I'm just up to the part in MGS4 where Raiden has made first contact with you through codec. And I'm thinking, seeing as I have no clue as to his story line in MGS2, it's the right time now to go and finish it off.

Its not like theres any rush anyways, we wont be seeing MGS5 until at least Christmas 2014! (my prediction)

sorry for rambling lol

Yeah, that's not too far in MGS4 anyway. All the crazy stuff doesn't happen until Act 3 so I don't think you'll have completely spoiled your experience of that game. Though most fans would agree that 4 is the weakest it's an incredible experience the first time through when you have the history of the series fresh in your mind

SouthTippBass

snausages wrote: »

Yeah, that's not too far in MGS4 anyway. All the crazy stuff doesn't happen until Act 3 so I don't think you'll have completely spoiled your experience of that game. Though most fans would agree that 4 is the weakest it's an incredible experience the first time through when you have the history of the series fresh in your mind

Well, I dont expect it to surpass MGS3 anyways! I picked up MGS4 second hand for €15 so not much to lose either way.

snausages

David Hayter on twitter.

Just to be clear,

If you signed a petition to bring back Richard Doyle, you'd be dead to me.

DH

Goddammit Snake get a grip

weemcd

snausages wrote: »

David Hayter on twitter.



Goddammit Snake get a grip

Hayter's gon hate...

B.A._Baracus

http://uk.gamespot.com/events/gdc-2013/story.html?sid=6406157

"Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain are two separate games," a Konami representative told GameSpot today.

"Ground Zeroes will actually be a prologue to The Phantom Pain, and that's all we can share at this time."

Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain is confirmed for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, though platforms for Ground Zeroes have not been specified. It is also unclear if both games will be bundled in the same package or offered as two different releases. Release dates also have not been divulged.

tok9

I actually can't believe they are 2 separate games.

It usually takes 5 or 6 years to get 1 MGS game, never mind 2

B.A._Baracus

I too call bullcrap on them being seperate games

Seperate games sounds like a modern take on Metal Gear Solid 2's structure - In the sense you had the 'Tanker' chapter then the 'Big Shell' ... But that was 2001 and these days you got DLC (etc). My money is on either:

- Ground Zeros is a DLC prologue released before The Phantom Pain hits stores (aka, a paid for demo. Capcom broke ground with its 'Dead Rising 2 case 0' paid demo)

or

- The above aswell, but before hand Ground Zeros is bundled with another konami game they wish to give the push for.

tok9

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Seperate games sounds like a modern take on Metal Gear Solid 2's structure - In the sense you had the 'Tanker' chapter then the 'Big Shell' ...

This is exactly what I initially thought. The same with MGS3 too, where you start on the virtuous mission and then play the main game in Snake Eater.

B.A._Baracus

tok9 wrote: »

This is exactly what I initially thought. The same with MGS3 too, where you start on the virtuous mission and then play the main game in Snake Eater.

I totally forgot about the 'Virtuous Mission' of MGS3!!

K.O.Kiki

danthefan wrote: »

Could they all be trolling us? Thinking back to MGS2, the whole Raiden thing was basically a secret until launch. Maybe that's Big Boss in the trailer but Snake is going to appear somewhere?

I bet it's just Konami being Konami, about to ruin something great.

Again.

tok9

Interview from Kojima on MGS5. Just halfway through it now.

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/84h9k6/metal-gear-solid-v--the-phantom-pain-kojima-interview

B.A._Baracus

The dude on the horse is Ocelot, right?

Burky126

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

The dude on the horse is Ocelot, right?

Patric Zimmerman or Josh Keaton?

They better do the right thing or else I will boycott,this is sooooooooooooo important. :rolleyes:

snausages

A while back Kojima was talking about the possibility of releasing 'pilot episodes' of next gen games to test the waters before totally committing to a project. Ground Zeroes seems to be his way of testing that idea.

danthefan

snausages wrote: »

A while back Kojima was talking about the possibility of releasing 'pilot episodes' of next gen games to test the waters before totally committing to a project. Ground Zeroes seems to be his way of testing that idea.

Well, it's Metal Gear, it's going to sell by the bucketload on the back of its name alone. I don't really think it needs to be tested itself and because of that you wouldn't really gather much information that's relevant to say a new IP.

hightower1

I have to say this is one of my main reasons for being hesitent on picking up a ps4. When looking at console exclusives (xbox Vs PS) and more specifically at MGS vS splinter cell I have to say Im totally uninterested in MGS on a whole as opposed to splinter cell?

Its just too Eastern by which I mean bat **** crazy.
I'd like a tactical shooter to be serious and perhaps not invaded by massivley over dramatic pauses / dialog, villans pulled straight from sat moning cartoon shows, explosion whales???? and massivley over engineered story lines.

I'd love to be excited by it I really would I mean the Fox engine looks stunning but this needs to be handed over to a Western dev.

K.O.Kiki

hightower1 wrote: »

I have to say this is one of my main reasons for being hesitent on picking up a ps4. When looking at console exclusives (xbox Vs PS) and more specifically at MGS vS splinter cell I have to say Im totally uninterested in MGS on a whole as opposed to splinter cell?

Its just too Eastern by which I mean bat **** crazy.
I'd like a tactical shooter to be serious and perhaps not invaded by massivley over dramatic pauses / dialog, villans pulled straight from sat moning cartoon shows, explosion whales???? and massivley over engineered story lines.

I'd love to be excited by it I really would I mean the Fox engine looks stunning but this needs to be handed over to a Western dev.

But "realism" is boring.

I like having silly cartoon villains.
I love hammy acting.
I adore being able to mess around, and to feel like the developers do too.

I prefer my video games to be more "game" than "video".

snausages

hightower1 wrote: »

but this needs to be handed over to a Western dev.

No it doesn't. MGS's absurdness has always been a part of its appeal. There's no reason to westernise it. If you want a westernised tactical shooter/stealth-em-up then there's plenty of choices out there. No need to give everything the same flavour.

Azza

I like MGS games but Kojima needs to fill them with a higher ratio of gameplay to cutscenes.

He can keep developing them I'd just like to see him hire a western company to write the story and edit the dialogue. MGS 4 was such a mess.

K.O.Kiki

It wouldn't hurt Kojima to take a bit of criticism and hire an editor or 2, but only hire an individual - wouldn't want a story-by-committee!

tok9

While Kojima has definitely been terrible in the story. MGS3 and Peace Walker (No idea on Portable Ops) both had good stories imo which weren't completely ridiculous like 2 and 4.

Timmyctc

tok9 wrote: »

While Kojima has definitely been terrible in the story. MGS3 and Peace Walker (No idea on Portable Ops) both had good stories imo which weren't completely ridiculous like 2 and 4.

Portable ops was miles better than peace walker. Peace walker was the worst Mgs imo.

EDIT: Also. MGS1's story was probably the best

tok9

Timmyctc wrote: »

Portable ops was miles better than peace walker. Peace walker was the worst Mgs imo.

EDIT: Also. MGS1's story was probably the best

Wait, as in overall, you think Peace walker is the worst MGS game?

Personally I thought MGS3 had the best story.

Timmyctc

tok9 wrote: »

Wait, as in overall, you think Peace walker is the worst MGS game?

Personally I thought MGS3 had the best story.

I'd say 1 just shaded 3 but I was just wondering why 1 didnt get an honorable mention :P umm yeah Peace walker as a game and as a story imo was crap. It played like an unfinished game in comparison to portable ops.

Azza

Overall I'd rate the MGS series like this.

From best to worst .

Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistance
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

Kirby

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

It wouldn't hurt Kojima to take a bit of criticism and hire an editor or 2, but only hire an individual - wouldn't want a story-by-committee!

There is something to be said by writing by committee. Most of Mass Effect was written by committee....talking as a group about what works and what doesn't. You know the only bit that was written by just one guy? The ending of the third. Yeah. Speaks for itself.

Sometimes, it is better to get feedback from your peers.

Paul1990

Timmyctc wrote: »

I'd say 1 just shaded 3 but I was just wondering why 1 didnt get an honorable mention :P umm yeah Peace walker as a game and as a story imo was crap. It played like an unfinished game in comparison to portable ops.

I liked the game but the story was all over the shop. I think I remember there was a schoolgirl who turned out to be a secret agent who then stole Metal Gear, it was all a bit mental.

Timmyctc

Paul1990 wrote: »

I liked the game but the story was all over the shop. I think I remember there was a schoolgirl who turned out to be a secret agent who then stole Metal Gear, it was all a bit mental.

The fulton recovery system was a half finished piece of crap. You could be in the top secret underground base and somehow manage to attach a balloon to a fella and he'd fly through the roof and then into a plane somewhere

Paul1990

Timmyctc wrote: »

The fulton recovery system was a half finished piece of crap. You could be in the top secret underground base and somehow manage to attach a balloon to a fella and he'd fly through the roof and then into a plane somewhere

Maybe they're very, very powerful balloons?

snausages

Azza wrote: »

Overall I'd rate the MGS series like this.

From best to worst .

Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistance
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

Portable Ops above 2? :mad:

Honestly though, PO is one of the most miserable gaming experiences I've ever had. Nonstop crab hands trying to play that game. A good example of why Metal Gear should never have been turned into a portable series, at least not Metal Gear Solid. Ac!d was decent.