Social Welfare offers man job in Malta!

gurramok

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sf-social-welfare-offers-donegal-man-job-in-malta-589373.html
Letter here https://www.facebook.com/breakingnewsire or attached.

Funny or insulting or a bit of both?

G Power

both

Mr. Manager

They're the worst bus company in the world. They got all their bendy buses from the UK and crash them on almost a daily basis. Haven't a clue how to drive them on the narrow roads.

But still, the weather here is better than Dublin for sure.

Not a bad wage either considering the minimum wage is ~€4 per hour...

conorhal

I'm looking out the window at the moment and thinking that I 'd jump at the offer!

Icyseanfitz

glad to see them trying to keep people in the country

Mr. Wong

They didn't offer him anything.

Mr. Manager

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

glad to see them trying to keep people in the country

If the man wasn't 60 (bit old to be moving country and starting again) I wouldn't see such a huge problem with it TBH.

The Backwards Man

The stuff that dreams are made of

byronbay2

How could that possibly be described as insulting?? They're letting an unemployed person know about a job vacancy, which they can apply for if they wish. I'm sure a lot of people would find that job attractive. If the person does not find the position attractive they need not apply!

Newaglish

If he doesn't like it, he can just ignore the letter. I don't see what the fuss is about?

On a similar note, I really don't get the huge moan about emigration. It's not the same thing it was 20 years ago.

gurramok

byronbay2 wrote: »

How could that possibly be described as insulting?? They're letting an unemployed person know about a job vacancy, which they can apply for if they wish. I'm sure a lot of people would find that job attractive. If the person does not find the position attractive they need not apply!

Encouraging emigration, helps the unemployment stats. That's why.

Shall everyone who is unemployed(and particularly to young people who are disproportionately affected by unemployment) be advised to emigrate?

snubbleste

EU ensures no boundary to movement of labour.
Many people would grab that offer in Malta

My name is URL

How many letters were sent out, and at what cost? Were they only sent to people who have driven buses as an occupation in the past?

So basically, the Department of Social Protection are acting as a recruitment agency for foreign private companies? Sending out unsolicited letters... And all funded by the taxpayer too... yeah, no issue there at all.

muppetkiller

My name is URL wrote: »

And all funded by the taxpayer too... yeah, no issue there at all.

The person who got the letter is currently funded by the tax payer..I think any attempt to get that person to work is a good thing. Also many people would jump at the chance of getting a decent job in a lovely part of the world with a great climate.

It was a description of a Job available too not something forcing the person to apply for it.

My name is URL

muppetkiller wrote: »

The person who got the letter is currently funded by the tax payer..I think any attempt to get that person to work is a good thing. Also many people would jump at the chance of getting a decent job in a lovely part of the world with a great climate.

It was a description of a Job available too not something forcing the person to apply for it.

So all unemployed people should be notified by post about every single job vacancy abroad? Seems a bit wasteful to me. Or will they only be notified about positions where there's a 'great climate'?

Why are the DSP acting as a middle man in all of it? CV's have to be sent to them rather than the employer, which means even more clerical costs to the state.

It's bizarre. If people want to work abroad they can look into it themselves without being sent unsolicited mass-mail like that.

Boombastic

I'd love to work in Malta and i can drive, where's my letter?

snubbleste

Boombastic wrote: »

I'd love to work in Malta and i can drive, where's my letter?

You don't need a letter. Apply now. Send me a postcard.

suicide_circus

My name is URL wrote: »

So all unemployed people should be notified by post about every single job vacancy abroad? Seems a bit wasteful to me. Or will they only be notified about positions where there's a 'great climate'?

Why are the DSP acting as a middle man in all of it? CV's have to be sent to them rather than the employer, which means even more clerical costs to the state.

It's bizarre. If people want to work abroad they can look into it themselves without being sent unsolicited mass-mail like that.

nonsense. Someone in the dole office showing a bit of initiative in getting a claimant off the scratch is to be applauded. The job is in another EU state, not the moon. As for the cost to the taxpayer in terms of postage, get real.
Anything those in the department of social protection can do to reduce our mammoth SW bill is a good thing.

The Backwards Man

Boombastic wrote: »

I'd love to work in Malta and i can drive, where's my letter?

Probably safer to take a plane. And drier.

Boombastic

snubbleste wrote: »

You don't need a letter. Apply now. Send me a postcard.

It's not advertised on their website
http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=pS5j1dGu3mbRDk2RtTi1IPcYUlAhpV40ZuB+vWgi9hZBhrQEDJEviLGzTFv7ckuoYRDwGxdnGnigjzyMMcfO4GKLu7w/97zRZDTUsnipHK739qfKjqCYR4Xmbg1lKI+qxOaHOg9Fq6XsGSHx1E0f0Zt8rDjKsI5naAxQEUYj2HWpnQwyivI5MthV1P707GSZnSe53MF67gBndRlnWD9nl6yoPLJIJCCqTsnh2B16uMB7ilzozF80KpIgnPNigb69XHyE4QU9j2nv0CFrmUXB7+JBz503mKJt7fff7nR65tFTPC1FKYbXJK2eR0kMGTfKTtkmSLyhBOwF3kBLzLJA1w/DGwbhV1EENq7BSu4Ulq9v5n+5H1QZK1CsPzH1FQjSMf33QOZKWzvS9LQWDQiPhzjMQdk7kK7lOXj4gLO6L7U=

http://www.fas.ie/en/careerdirections/default.aspx?ID=688

gurramok

suicide_circus wrote: »

nonsense. Someone in the dole office showing a bit of initiative in getting a claimant off the scratch is to be applauded. The job is in another EU state, not the moon. As for the cost to the taxpayer in terms of postage, get real.
Anything those in the department of social protection can do to reduce our mammoth SW bill is a good thing.

Why don't you just say it, Emigration is the safety valve to our unemployment problem. Nice govt way of saying unemployment is down.

But hey, those families who have loved ones forced to emigrate, who cares as long as it does not affect you?!:mad:

iba

My name is URL wrote: »

So all unemployed people should be notified by post about every single job vacancy abroad? Seems a bit wasteful to me. Or will they only be notified about positions where there's a 'great climate'?

Why are the DSP acting as a middle man in all of it? CV's have to be sent to them rather than the employer, which means even more clerical costs to the state.

It's bizarre. If people want to work abroad they can look into it themselves without being sent unsolicited mass-mail like that.

Now now URL - at the bottom of the letter it actually says FAS Employment Services

There are many jobs from within the EU advertised in Ireland and vice-versa

I would hasten a guess that the person this letter was sent to, notified FAS that he can drive buses etc and this was recorded on a database and then when this job came up a red light appeared next to his name and they notified him of the position. I actually think its an excellent service.

I think one thing that a lot of people forget, is that for hundreds of years Ireland has been a country where its peoples have emigrated from. This only stopped during the mid-1990s to around 2005/2006 approx (because certain people messed up the country) and now we are just back to the way it was before. I'm not saying that this is a good thing nor a bad thing, but it certainly is not a recent phenomena.

I remember the bleak dark days of the 1980s and early 1990s and I also have been told stories about Judges in rural Ireland who in the 1950s and 1960s used to tell persons who had been found guilty of lets say 'minor crimes' that instead of sending them to jail, that they had a week to get over to England.

snubbleste

Boombastic wrote: »

It's not advertised on their website :confused
http://www.fas.ie/en/careerdirections/default.aspx?ID=688

Arriva is advertising in Spain and the UK for at least 200 English-speaking drivers to join its team in Malta.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130313/local/arriva-malta-seeking-drivers-in-spain-and-the-uk.461211 Jobs for all!

http://www.arriva.com.mt/driving-and-support-staff :cool:

trooney

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

If the man wasn't 60 (bit old to be moving country and starting again) I wouldn't see such a huge problem with it TBH.

That’s fine and dandy, so long as he wouldn't be penalised by the dept of SW or any other dept if he chose not to apply. But, as we have seen in the past, this may not be the case.

Boombastic

snubbleste wrote: »

Arriva is advertising in Spain and the UK for at least 200 English-speaking drivers to join its team in Malta.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130313/local/arriva-malta-seeking-drivers-in-spain-and-the-uk.461211 Jobs for all!

http://www.arriva.com.mt/driving-and-support-staff :cool:

But that's not the FAS website, are they withholding their information about certain jobs from some people? :pac:

What other jobs have they that they're not advertising?

AllGunsBlazing

Are they looking for any overpaid shiftless politicians? Because we've got plenty of them to spare well.

dharma200

The reason arriva are advertising for jobs abroad is that they treat their own staff that badly that drivers are refusing to work.. so, lets go over to a different ocunrty, take jobs from the locals who are striving for decent working conditions, effectively crossing picket lines, to take up a job because it ios hot. I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot, and bus eirann sacked all the irish drivers and brought in a whole bunch of people from malta, meaning temp contacts, no rights atall, no union,,, we would all be delighted... not

Ush1

Imagine they got him over for several interviews and acted really impressed with him every time and just out of the blue they said they are gonna give the job to a local.

Then they'd be Maltease......rs.

suicide_circus

gurramok wrote: »

Why don't you just say it, Emigration is the safety valve to our unemployment problem. Nice govt way of saying unemployment is down.

But hey, those families who have loved ones forced to emigrate, who cares as long as it does not affect you?!:mad:

forced? This letter was offering an option of work in another EU state, not a transportation order to Botany Bay.

Gongoozler

State employment body in jobs notification shocker!

fasttalkerchat

There was a documentary about the building company in Ballymena that went bust. Their workers are all out of a job and owed money that they have been told is gone.
One of them went to the jobcentre and got an offer for a job in New Zealand!

Big Davey

They can "offer" you a job anywhere but can't force you to take it. I am surprised there are not more people holding placards advertising shops etc all over the city and country. They have been common on Mary street for years but I saw one at the big roundabout at blanchardstown centre the other day. If I were running the dole I would approach business with this idea even if a business only gave a portion of the persons dole it would bring the government spend down. I would target people under suspicion of working and give them their "new" job 5 days a week, 8 hours a day holding a sign. I could see dole ques getting smaller much smaller.

gurramok

suicide_circus wrote: »

forced? This letter was offering an option of work in another EU state, not a transportation order to Botany Bay.

Yes forced, no jobs available in their home country(Ireland). To seek work, they have to go abroad.

But hey the spin by the govt as this is a way of lowering the unemployment stats works for you!

Mr. Manager

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Probably safer to take a plane. And drier.

My missus drove here with the 2 dogs in the back and all our belongings

fasttalkerchat

I'm not au fait on Social Welfare rates, but if an unemployed man goes to Malta for work, wouldn't his wife get benefits and housing allowance for a single mother? So the welfare would end up paying out more in welfare to get him off the live register?

The Scientician

If I could drive I'd be all over that job opportunity. Malta is a slice of heaven on Earth.

fasttalkerchat

Big Davey wrote: »

They can "offer" you a job anywhere but can't force you to take it. I am surprised there are not more people holding placards advertising shops etc all over the city and country. They have been common on Mary street for years but I saw one at the big roundabout at blanchardstown centre the other day. If I were running the dole I would approach business with this idea even if a business only gave a portion of the persons dole it would bring the government spend down. I would target people under suspicion of working and give them their "new" job 5 days a week, 8 hours a day holding a sign. I could see dole ques getting smaller much smaller.

Who covers insurance?

The Backwards Man

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

My missus drove here with the 2 dogs in the back and all our belongings

She driving this?:pac:

Boombastic

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I'm not au fait on Social Welfare rates, but if an unemployed man goes to Malta for work, wouldn't his wife get benefits and housing allowance for a single mother? So the welfare would end up paying out more in welfare to get him off the live register?

No

Joe Hart

I bet he'd be grateful of that offer if he was cut off after a year on the dole and reduced to basic food stamps.

fasttalkerchat

The Scientician wrote: »

If I could drive I'd be all over that job opportunity. Malta is a slice of heaven on Earth.

Could you live on €1000 in a foreign country? You would shell out more than half on accommodation and travel home. Living on noodles, bread and soup you could send the family maybe €200 a month.
It would be much easier just to stay at home and work minimum wage and save up tor 2 holidays a year.

fasttalkerchat

Boombastic wrote: »

No

Do you actually know or is that a guess?

iba

gurramok wrote: »

Yes forced, no jobs available in their home country(Ireland). To seek work, they have to go abroad.

But hey the spin by the govt as this is a way of lowering the unemployment stats works for you!

No jobs available in Ireland? Where did you get this information from, can you provide a source please?

There are jobs available in Ireland.

Mr. Manager

The Backwards Man wrote: »

She driving this?:pac:

Nope, this :pac:

Drove to Rosslare, from there to South of France, across the border to Italy, ferry from Genoa to Sicily, drive to south of Sicily, ferry to Malta and finally a drive to the front door

Boombastic

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Do you actually know or is that a guess?

I know. They would still be assessed as a couple .His earnings would be contributing to the household

Mr. Manager

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Could you live on €1000 in a foreign country? You would shell out more than half on accommodation and travel home. Living on noodles, bread and soup you could send the family maybe €200 a month.
It would be much easier just to stay at home and work minimum wage and save up tor 2 holidays a year.

I live in Malta and can tell you that you can live on €250 a week easily. The avg wage is €170 p/w.

You can rent an apt for €180-€250 p/m and that's not a small dingey shit hole.

Don't chime in with things you don't know.

gurramok

iba wrote: »

No jobs available in Ireland? Where did you get this information from, can you provide a source please?

There are jobs available in Ireland.

How many?

jkell061

I don't see why everyone's moaning about it?
I got a letter from them for a job in Norway a few months back, in my line of work. I applied but no joy, but I was appreciative of the letter and notifying me of the post. So I guess I'll not be expecting any more now after this
if the big deal being made is about his age then fine, he doesn't have to apply for it, they're just letting him know, Jesus!

muppetkiller

gurramok wrote: »

How many?

There's over 4900 jobs on job.ie today for a start

Big Davey

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Who covers insurance?

There has to be a fair arrangement struck up between the shop/business and social welfare it can be that difficult. Surly it would be worth €150 per week to PC world or any other business to get this amount of advertising ?

Big Davey

muppetkiller wrote: »

There's over 4900 jobs on job.ie today for a start

Most of them are fake, agency's put up potential jobs to get people on their books, these jobs often don't materialise.