scratchcard win and friend thinking i owe him

LegacyUser

Last weekend was my 37th birthday,

I had a few friends over for drinks and a meal.One of my friends recently broke up with his gf and was in rebound mode- and he told me he was coming alone, then arrived at the door with some woman i never met in my life.

He gave me a card and said "That from us both". Basically there was 5 2euro scratchcards inside.

So had a great night, and next day remembered the scratchcards.When i scratched them I nearly screamed the house down. I won 5k

Anyway word got back to the friend who had given me the scratchcards, and he text me to inform me that in a situation such as this it is customery to give 20% of scratchcard winnings to the person who bought you the winning ticket as a thank you.

I text back "lol ya kidder , i owe ya a pint"- as i thought he was joking and the ABUSE he sent me back. Said they were his scratchcards and he had them in his wallet for days and only threw them in cos he was not breaking 100e note to throw 10e into my card. So basically he thinks hes entitled to 1000 of my winnings

Hes now saying that the woman he brought to my party is a socilitor and says i also owe her money

Now hes getting no money off me..but this has knocked me for six. I have known this man for 10 years i cant believe how hes reacted to the win.

marlie2005

That is the funniest thing I have heard this morning ...

Let His 'Solictor friend ' take you to the courts, don't think it will get to far to be honest, He 'gifted you' the card so just a very serious case of green envy... Not very nice for a friend to do this , maybe you should charge him for the time consumed scratching the card and your time should be very expensive..

Cunning Stunt

what an idiot. You owe him nothing. Cut him loose. Good riddance.

Oh, and congrats on the big win!

Korvanica

That's not a good friend, give him nothing, if he wants to fall out over it then that's on him.

Send him a bill for €1000 for the meal, drinks & cleaning. Sorted.

tomboylady

What a load of bs. You owe him nothing, the scratch cards were a gift. As you say, buy him a pint next time you see him. Don't worry your head over it.

Lelantos

He gave you a gift, that's the end of it. If he can't be happy for you, tough luck on his part

Starokan

No strictly speaking you owe him nothing and its pretty crass of him to suggest that you do

I think many people though if they won 5k from a gift of a scratchcard would possibly give something more substantial than a pint to the person who bought it for them

Your 5k richer than you expected to be thanks to him , it would not hurt to throw him something

Meauldsegosha

Money, even a sniff of it, can do funny things to people and bring out the worst in them. It's a horrible way for your friend to act OP. As others have said you owe him nothing, enjoy your win and forget about him.

LegacyUser

Give him nothing, even the pint would be too much.

EricPraline

Starokan wrote: »

I think many people though if they won 5k from a gift of a scratchcard would possibly give something more substantial than a pint to the person who bought it for them

Yes, it would be polite and appropriate to give him something more substantial, if it was unasked for. But the fact that the "friend" is demanding a significant return on what was a gift (and imho a pretty lazy gift in the first place) means that any politeness can be thrown out the window.

The comment about the solicitor friend is laughable, though perhaps it indicates that she is pushing him on this. Perhaps he genuinely believes that he has an entitlement to take back part of your gift?

ennis81

Shocking carry on from so called friend, give him nowt and cut him out. As someone else said money can really bring out the worse in people, enjoy your win

beertons

Congrats on the win. Tell him you lost it on a horse. Then see what he says. He'll be disgruntled and head off, never to be seen again.

You don't need friends like that, if you can call him one.

Standman

I was just thinking to myself the other day how I would feel if I gave someone a scratch card and they won a whole load of money. I wouldn't demand anything from them or let it affect my friendship but I probably would feel like I lost out. My conclusion was that I won't ever put myself in that position by giving someone a scratch card. If he wasn't prepared to deal with you winning any money then he shouldn't have given you the cards. It's on him and he has shown how much of an ass he is. Try not to let it bother you.

Taltos

Gatling & Skinnykenyan - your posts have been removed.
Gatling you have been warned once before about posting non-constructive advice - next time you do this it will result in a ban.

Taltos

BullBauld

Enjoy spending your winnings and forget about this guy.

Happy birthday by the way.

Skinnykenyan

My post was removed for what. Their was absolutely no malice involved in my post???

Lone Stone

Personally if i got a winning on a card i would give some thing back definitely more than pint, i mean your 5 grand up thanks to his gift if he hadn't have approached the subject like a total arse i would personally give at least 1k of it to the guy but absolutely no way would i give that guy a cent after he went on like that.

And i would let him know that was the reason.

purpur1

Forget about it, you owe him nothing, it was clearly a gift which he gave to you without any terms and conditions. Theres no possible legal ramifications so try to relax and enjoy your winnings. Learn a lesson from this - money does funny things to people, even the best of them, so keep your future windfalls as private as you possibly can to avoid this kind of hassle. But do buy him the pint, (or give him a token of thanks) dont get embroiled in his bitterness. It will pass.

Honey-ec

Buy him €10 worth of scratchcards, post them to him, then forget about him.

Personally, in that situation, I'd throw the person who bought me the card a couple of hundred quid, but not if they behaved as he has done. And I'd say his lady friend is as much a solicitor as I am.

AnonoBoy

If people aren't willing to accept that someone could win money off a card you give them then they shouldn't be giving cards as presents.

As people have said, it'd be the decent thing to do to give him some cash IF he hadn't insisted that you owe him 20%. But he's blown it by being a greedy d*ck.

username123

I gave someone a winning ticket for something once, there were a group of us and it was 2 euro a ticket and this one girl (who was really a friend of a friend) said she wouldnt buy a ticket because she was broke (she had driven to the pub and was having one 7up) - so rather than see her the only one without a ticket I bought 2 and gave her one. It won, a thousand euro. She was super excited as this was precisely the amount of money she needed to pay a solicitor bill that had arrived re her buying a house. She never even considered giving me anything for it. I didnt mind, but it would have been nice if she had even offered me back the 2 euro lol!!

Anyway, no legal issues, it was a gift, end of. Very bad form of your friend to actually harass you afterwards as he has done. Surely any decent person would be happy their friend had done well from a gift given?

dilallio

Be careful if you're thinking of giving him money, in case he tries to allege that the tickets were bought jointly or as part of a 2 person syndicate.
Giving him money would strengthen his case, if he ever decided to bring a civil case by claiming it was bought as part of a syndicate.

As long as his name is not on the winning ticket, he has absolutely no recourse in claiming anything, unless you give him an advantage by giving him some of the winnings.

Randy Shafter

You don't owe your friend squat OP. The scratch cards were given to you as a present. You were lucky and won a bit of cash. Your friends asking for a percentage of your winnings is scabby and just shows he's jealous.

It was a gift to you. Nothing more. He should just be happy for you.

December2012

I think it's bad form of you not to have offered him more than a pint. It was 5k!

This guy was your mate for ten years and that's it?

A pint?

sReq | uTeK

December2012 wrote: »

I think it's bad form of you not to have offered him more than a pint. It was 5k!

This guy was your mate for ten years and that's it?

A pint?

If you read the OP's original post, the friend sent a text demanding 20% when he found out of the OP's winnings.

Perhaps the OP was going to give something more significant but after a reaction like that, would you?

It's funny how money brings out the best and worst of us.

December2012

I did read the original post.

I don't agree with the other persons demand but I think the OP was being mean.

Randy Shafter

December2012 wrote: »

I did read the original post.

I don't agree with the other persons demand but I think the OP was being mean.

How was the OP being mean? He got a gift and won a substantial amount. Regardless of how long the OP knew their friend, the friend IMO should have just been happy with the fact that OP won money. It's not like the cards came with a contract saying '% of winnings must go to original card buyer'. The cards were a gift and any winnings were his and his alone.

sReq | uTeK

Randy Shafter wrote: »

How was the OP being mean? He got a gift and won a substantial amount. Regardless of how long the OP knew their friend, the friend IMO should have just been happy with the fact that OP won money. It's not like the cards came with a contract saying '% of winnings must go to original card buyer'. The cards were a gift and any winnings were his and his alone.

Exactly.

Why buy someone a gift if you can't deal with the consequences, if my mate won something on a card I got him I'd be delighted, I'd be even more delighted if he gave me a token gesture of some kind.

I don't expect a rebate for example when I give a gift to a friend and they end up selling it fin the future.

Next thing you know people will be bringing contracts to sign with gifts, ridiculous.

Victor

Nice bottle of whatever and €1,000 in Monopoly money.

Malari

I recently won a very small amount (€3 or so) on a gift of a few scratch cards from a friend and I texted back the next day saying I got a little chocolate treat for myself. I think, OP, you may have irked your friend by not getting back to him directly to thank him (you say "word got back to him") - it would have been polite to thank him directly at least, and maybe a vague promise of a gift of some sort. Having said that, he was incredibly out of line by the way he reacted to it and you don't owe him anything.

sashafierce

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thefeatheredcat

scwin wrote: »

Anyway word got back to the friend who had given me the scratchcards, and he text me to inform me that in a situation such as this it is customery to give 20% of scratchcard winnings to the person who bought you the winning ticket as a thank you.

scwin wrote: »

Said they were his scratchcards and he had them in his wallet for days and only threw them in cos he was not breaking 100e note to throw 10e into my card. So basically he thinks hes entitled to 1000 of my winnings

Hes now saying that the woman he brought to my party is a socilitor and says i also owe her money

It's something like 1 in 5.8 scratch cards wins cash.... and that could be anything depending on the game. If you had won €5 on them, or got a free scratch card, would he have expected €1 back or the free scratch card?

His attitude and anger is misdirected at you - he sounds hacked off more at himself if what he is saying is true that the cards were in his wallet and that he had bought them for himself. Now he's kicking himself for his own laziness and lack of organisation re getting you a present or stopping off at an ATM and getting a €20 out to break for change in a shop or having an amount of money ready.

It's not your fault he was lazy and thoughtless and didn't want to break a €100 note that he made a conscious choice to give away - and that is the big thing, give away - his scratch cards.

I wouldn't take his word for it that the friend he brought to dinner that you had never met before was a solicitor or that the advice was given was correct, or that indeed, he is her client. If she has advised that to him as a paying client in need of legal services, that's one thing, but if she's advised that as a friend or colleague or in a relationship, that imo is another thing, especially the latter as that spells self interest or at least a defence stance for him to take. In any case, I'd be wanting to see her credentials of being a solicitor with a licence to practice and I'd want her advice sent to you in an official capacity in writing with headed paper from her office stationary supply before I'd take what he said she said seriously.

I think he's just pissed off that you won something and he's lost out, it probably doesn't help that his relationship ended recently, probably feels like everything is going wrong for him and I would doubt he would normally be like that? But that doesn't excuse what he has said. I'd be more worried given the amount of years you've known him, that he is behaving this way especially if it is out of character.

I don't think you owe him, I would see it he relinquished all entitlement to any winnings from the cards the moment he made the choice to give them away to you.

If it is out of character I'd be keen to see what is beneath that - any money worries or anything like that going on behind the scenes that you don't know about?

Big Bag of Chips

scwin wrote: »

he text me to inform me that in a situation such as this it is customery to give 20% of scratchcard winnings to the person who bought you the winning ticket as a thank you.......


......Hes now saying that the woman he brought to my party is a socilitor and says i also owe her money

Whatever about him chancing it asking for a cut.. you certainly don't owe her money!!

Really - I'd just ignore him now.

Stavro Mueller

I honestly can't see what legal basis your "friend" would have for looking for this money. As I understand it, the only time people normally would have a claim on lottery winnings is if you're in a Lotto syndicate and you're paying money into it. This ticket was given to you as a gift.

Enright

Happy birthday, well done on the win, the bonus is discovering your FRIEND is not a friend - cut him loose

Mollusc

Why do people expect something in return all the time? Once you've given something over, it's not yours anymore, let it go and get over it.

Tell your friend to <mod snip> and to have his solicitor initiate proceedings against you (was she hot?).

Complete joke, and I'd say this is far more common than just this thread.




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leahyl

That is absolutely hilarious!! There's a screw loose with your friend OP. It's your money, end of story. How dare he, seriously :eek:

wallycharlo

You certainly owe him nothing legally.

Out of interest, how much would you have offered him if he had not taken this road, i.e. if he was genuinely happy for you, and just wished you good luck? I would think it decent to throw him 50-100 Euro perhaps, i.e. a couple of percent ...

earlytobed

Your "friend" is a tool of the highest order
Honestly, do people really keep unscratched tickets in their wallet?
And turn up with a mystery "solicitor" friend?

Daisy M

I think you are both as bad as each other. If a friend bought me a scratch card and I won a significant amount of money they would be the first person I would let know, they would not hear it on the grapevine. I would half the money with them because the way I would see it is that if they had not given me the scratch card I would not have won so if it had not been for their gift I would not be in the position of winning a lot of money. Imho neither of you have any class.

ABajaninCork

I've seen so many arguments break out over sharing winnings. Some bingo playing friends of mine had an agreement to split any winnings between them The inevitable happened. One of the girls won big (over £30k on the National Game some years ago), and only gave the others a couple of hundred quid each. World War 3 broke out, and blood was spilt -literally!!

OP - if the friend didn't ask for the cash, I would've given him a good drink. I would certainly have told him though, and not let him find out. Certainly not half, but a good drink. But since he EXPECTS money, then I wouldn't give him anything. Tell him to get knotted.

Joe Hart

Daisy M wrote: »

I think you are both as bad as each other. If a friend bought me a scratch card and I won a significant amount of money they would be the first person I would let know, they would not hear it on the grapevine. I would half the money with them because the way I would see it is that if they had not given me the scratch card I would not have won so if it had not been for their gift I would not be in the position of winning a lot of money. Imho neither of you have any class.

What kind of a gift is it then? Was the friend basically buying himself a present?

Oryx

I would look after any friend that bought me a gift that won me something, but I dont know if that would mean giving them 20%. But if they threatened me, and bullied me, and made shapes about legal action, not only would they get nothing from me, they would no longer be a friend.

P_1

If it were me before he went demanding any money I probably would have given him a 200 euro note in a card as a thank you but seeing as he has now started demanding cash I'd give him back the cost of the scratchcard in one cent coins

Twee.

You should donate €1000 to a charity in his name

If it was me, I'd buy my friend something as a thank you, but absolutely not if they acted the way your friend did. No way!

Taltos

Daisy M wrote: »

Imho neither of you have any class.

Daisy_M - per our charter never make it personal. If you cannot post in a civil manner please consider not posting otherwise personal attacks can and do result in lost of posting rights.

Thanks
Taltos

Catphish

scwin wrote: »

Last weekend was my 37th birthday,

I had a few friends over for drinks and a meal.One of my friends recently broke up with his gf and was in rebound mode- and he told me he was coming alone, then arrived at the door with some woman i never met in my life.

He gave me a card and said "That from us both". Basically there was 5 2euro scratchcards inside.

So had a great night, and next day remembered the scratchcards.When i scratched them I nearly screamed the house down. I won 5k

Anyway word got back to the friend who had given me the scratchcards, and he text me to inform me that in a situation such as this it is customery to give 20% of scratchcard winnings to the person who bought you the winning ticket as a thank you.

I text back "lol ya kidder , i owe ya a pint"- as i thought he was joking and the ABUSE he sent me back. Said they were his scratchcards and he had them in his wallet for days and only threw them in cos he was not breaking 100e note to throw 10e into my card. So basically he thinks hes entitled to 1000 of my winnings

Hes now saying that the woman he brought to my party is a socilitor and says i also owe her money

Now hes getting no money off me..but this has knocked me for six. I have known this man for 10 years i cant believe how hes reacted to the win.

I would have bought a gift for him or something, but given his reaction he can go and sling. I'd rethink calling him a "friend" too, he has some neck.

LegacyUser

Considering how you don't recognise the girl he showed up with and the fact that he was newly single, is there a chance he made a mistake and she is actually a prostitute? Maybe she mentioned getting done for soliciting and he misheard :P

WumBuster

Wow the cheek of him. if i ever won a substancial amount of money in the lotto or otherwise thats the reason i wouldnt be telling very many people. I would tell him in pretty uncompromising language to get stuffed.

Zirconia

Buy him a couple of scratch cards and tell him their his so he can keep any winnings himself!

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