Scumbag situation getting worse and worse

joetoad

Did Ireland always have scumbags or is the situation getting worse year by year. Hate walking around dublin and you see heroin addicts, scumbags with their tracksuits and there hats at 90 degree angle. It seems to be getting worse year by year. You just know by looking at the person that there going to be on the dole for life, shot or put in prison. Yesterday I walked past a junkie taking a dump on a footpath. The amount of human ****e around dublin is disgusting

The King of Moo

It's not getting worse.

pabloh999

Yes and no

Tom_Cruise

I haven't been in Dublin in quite a while now, but i do remember seeing alot of junkies around, constantly asking for money.

keelanj69

The King of Moo wrote: »

It's not getting worse.

And certainly not any better. Pure disgrace, Joe.

Riesen_Meal

The King of Moo wrote: »

It's not getting worse.

It's no different than it was 15 years ago imo...

ArnoldJRimmer

I remember when we used to come up to the Big Smoke for a bit of shopping when I was a kid in the 80's, usually the ILAC centre. The journey from Dorset St down to the car park was terrifying. So no, I'd say its actually gotten better

andym1

I live in North inner city and its a bit better than 5 yrs ago. Talbot St and Abbey St Luas stop is like a blackmarket chemist shop !

zenno

joetoad wrote: »

Did Ireland always have scumbags or is the situation getting worse year by year. Hate walking around dublin and you see heroin addicts, scumbags with their tracksuits and there hats at 90 degree angle. It seems to be getting worse year by year. You just know by looking at the person that there going to be on the dole for life, shot or put in prison. Yesterday I walked past a junkie taking a dump on a footpath. The amount of human ****e around dublin is disgusting

And you are Gods gift to the human race.

They are not all scumbags, some of them are genuinely just down on their luck and are homeless and the only clothing they have is a hat and a tracksuit.

It's people like you that i despise, with the judgement you have for fellow citizens. They are not all scumbags.

herisson

I think it has. In the last few years there has been a rise of scumbags in my hometown. It's after getting to the stage that no matter where I am, there is always a group of them around. I haven't noticed in Dublin but I have noticed it in smaller towns.

Cee-Jay-Cee

So long as the social welfare system in the country continues to hand out free money to these **** then it will get worse. The problem is, that despite the fact that scumbags are generally as stupid as mud, they unfortunately mate with each other creating more potential Scumbags for the future. Not the kids fault, I know, but nonetheless they'll probably end up like their scumbag parents.

Chucken

CJC999 wrote: »

So long as the social welfare system in the country continues to hand out free money to these **** then it will get worse. The problem is, that despite the fact that scumbags are generally as stupid as mud, they unfortunately mate with each other creating more potential Scumbags for the future. Not the kids fault, I know, but nonetheless they'll probably end up like their scumbag parents.

.....aaaaaand we're off.

The King of Moo

CJC999 wrote: »

So long as the social welfare system in the country continues to hand out free money to these **** then it will get worse. The problem is, that despite the fact that scumbags are generally as stupid as mud, they unfortunately mate with each other creating more potential Scumbags for the future. Not the kids fault, I know, but nonetheless they'll probably end up like their scumbag parents.

If they're that stupid, then surely there's an onus on the government to provide assistance to them, as they obviously can't survive alone, being stupid as mud.

The only alternative is that your post is made up of reductive, clichéd, disproven guff.

Anyway, I nominate 1930s Germany as being a much worse time and place, scumbag-wise. Though I'll say one thing about the Nazis: bad as they were, they never had the gall to ask innocent people for change on the street.

pebbles21

Chucken wrote: »

.....aaaaaand we're off.

FFS...Now I have to get out of bed and put the popcorn on!

joetoad

zenno wrote: »

And you are Gods gift to the human race.

They are not all scumbags, some of them are genuinely just down on their luck and are homeless and the only clothing they have is a hat and a tracksuit.

It's people like you that i despise, with the judgement you have for fellow citizens. They are not all scumbags.

And don't they get the dole? Surely they could save 120 a week and get themselves a place to live after a month or two.

The King of Moo

joetoad wrote: »

And don't they get the dole? Surely they could save 120 a week and get themselves a place to live after a month or two.

"Hhm, more delicious heroin!!"

"Whoa there buddy, not so fast! Did you know that you could easily save two thirds of the dole money you get even though you're homeless? You could then use that money to buy or rent somewhere to live!!"

"Oh man, I've been such a square! To think, I could've been in a nice warm place all this time, instead of freezing on the streets! If only I'd considered finding some accommodation instead of choosing to have this crippling addiction... Still, better late than never! Thanks for your advice friend, I'm off to the estate agent!!"

Chucken

joetoad wrote: »

And don't they get the dole? .

Only if they live under bridges.

joetoad

The King of Moo wrote: »

"Hhm, more delicious heroin!!"

"Whoa there buddy, not so fast! Did you know that you could easily save two thirds of the dole money you get even though you're homeless? You could then use that money to buy or rent somewhere to live!!"

"Oh man, I've been such a square! To think, I could've been in a nice warm place all this time, instead of freezing on the streets! If only I'd considered finding some accommodation instead of choosing to have this crippling addiction... Still, better late than never! Thanks for your advice friend, I'm off to the estate agent!!"

Yes and why did they take heroin in the first place? Oh now I know cause there scumbags

zenno

joetoad wrote: »

And don't they get the dole? Surely they could save 120 a week and get themselves a place to live after a month or two.

Now you are saying that you know every one of them personally and know they all get dole.

Your enlightening ability of psychic knowledge is astounding.

The Backwards Man

I remember the 80s. It wasn't all Tom Cruise, crew cuts and Bananarama I can tell you, plenty of scumbags around then also.

catallus

It is a bit of a stretch to say all the scumbags are on heroin, or homeless.

The King of Moo

joetoad wrote: »

Yes and why did they take heroin in the first place? Oh now I know cause there scumbags

Bravo! None of these so-called "experts" investigating the origins of addiction and the means to treat have the guts to call a spade a spade like you and face the obvious reality that poor people are simply inferior beings to the rest of us!

You probably didn't need any of that pesky evidence, investigation, or rational thought to come to your amazing conclusion, because it's JUST TRUE!!

Richard Hillman

How many times do we have to say it "Derz no faciliteeeees"

Son Of A Vidic

joetoad wrote: »

You just know by looking at the person OP, that there going to be on the dole for life it's going to be the same old stirring shyte again

I had to make some necessary amendments there.

andym1

The King of Moo wrote: »

"Hhm, more delicious heroin!!"

!!"

You are so behind the times, Leave Heroin to the culchies we are on tablets now....Zimmos Bud ?

joetoad

I never once mentioned homeless in my OP. I know a lot of them have mental illnesses and what not so I retract that statement

joetoad

zenno wrote: »

And you are Gods gift to the human race.

They are not all scumbags, some of them are genuinely just down on their luck and are homeless and the only clothing they have is a hat and a tracksuit.

It's people like you that i despise, with the judgement you have for fellow citizens. They are not all scumbags.

Where did I mention homeless, ur the one associating scumbags with been homeless and heroin addicts as well which most of them are not

The King of Moo

joetoad wrote: »

I never once mentioned homeless in my OP. I know a lot of them have mental illnesses and what not so I retract that statement

It's just heroin addicts, people with tracksuits and the hat-wearing community you're after then.

catallus

Maybe the Op isn't "stirring shyte"

Maybe he's just concerned about what he perceives to be the rise of a reprehensible sub-culture of welfare cases who congregate on the public highways in a manner which a reasonable person would find intimidating which is all too visible to the hard-working people of this country, and he is simply looking for the opinions of others on the subject.

zenno

joetoad wrote: »

Where did I mention homeless, ur the one associating scumbags with been homeless and heroin addicts as well which most of them are not

Erm..where did I mention anything about heroin ?

The King of Moo

catallus wrote: »

Maybe the Op isn't "stirring shyte"

Maybe he's just concerned about what he perceives to be the rise of a reprehensible sub-culture of welfare cases who congregate on the public highways in a manner which a reasonable person would find intimidating which is all too visible to the hard-working people of this country, and he is simply looking for the opinions of others on the subject.

Ah! In that case, let me put his mind at ease. There's no need to worry, this isn't a major problem at all.

These people aren't as numerous or evil as they're often thought to be, and they don't really do any harm.

WoollyRedHat

What do you purpose OP. Will you be the hero that Dublin deserves and needs?

Ruudi_Mentari

Is just a stagnation.

you could swap that first t out for k.. maybe a little space, between the g and the n and bobs your shifty uncle.....

Chucken

joetoad wrote: »

And don't they get the dole? Surely they could save 120 a week and get themselves a place to live after a month or two.

joetoad wrote: »

I never once mentioned homeless in my OP. I know a lot of them have mental illnesses and what not so I retract that statement

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

joetoad wrote: »

Did Ireland always have scumbags or is the situation getting worse year by year. Hate walking around dublin and you see heroin addicts, scumbags with their tracksuits and there hats at 90 degree angle. It seems to be getting worse year by year. You just know by looking at the person that there going to be on the dole for life, shot or put in prison. Yesterday I walked past a junkie taking a dump on a footpath. The amount of human ****e around dublin is disgusting

Of course you did. :rolleyes:

The King of Moo

Chucken wrote: »

Ah now, come on, he never actually used the word "homeless!"

Can't a man go on an ill-informed rant anymore without having his glaring inconsistencies picked apart by pedantic do-gooders?

It's PC gone mad I tell you...

joetoad

Chucken wrote: »

Yes in my OP I never mentioned the homeless where a lot of them are nice people. What I said was they could save for themselves and get a place but most of them have mental illnesses which is sad

Lucas Castroman

All the animals come out at night - whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.

zenno

Lucas Castroman wrote: »

All the animals come out at night - whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.

RainMan.

joetoad

I'm only talking about scumbags and scumbag junkies who I despise. How can we rehabilitate them not to act like scumbags? Brainwash them? No we can't because they have the mind of a scumbag and they will never change

orestes

catallus wrote: »

Maybe he's just concerned about what he perceives to be the rise of a reprehensible sub-culture of welfare cases who congregate on the public highways in a manner which a reasonable person would find intimidating which is all too visible to the hard-working people of this country, and he is simply looking for the opinions of others on the subject.

If you would like to engage in a discourse regarding the possible negative effects which a sub-culture (or the individuals of which it is comprised) can have on the dominant culture as a whole then it is important to take into account all of the relevant information such as the socio-political situation of the culture of the time whilst also realising that a sub-culture is in many ways a reflection of the culture within which it came to be. By definition, a sub-culture cannot exist independently of the culture from which it grew, which would suggest that the dominant culture has a responsibility towards the sub-culture and therefore has certain moral and ethical obligations towards it such as those in the relationship between Dr. Frnakenstein his monster.

See, using big words to sound clever isn't that hard, I usually just take it to mean somebody is trying to muddy the waters to make themselves sound clever about something that they know nothing about or to talk fancy sounding nonsense. Just cos someone is talking fancy sounding shyte, doesn't mean they're not talking shyte

Jimoslimos

Lucas Castroman wrote: »

All the animals come out at night - whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.

A what now?

Is that yer one Pepé le Pew was always chasing?

Mal-Adjusted

it certainly seems that way. Earlier in the week, a Garda station in Clare was attacked during the night. Now, it was just windows smashed in but still. They also set fire to the private car of a female Garda. fairley serious and what most people would consider scumbag behavior.

catallus

Joetoad, why do you despise junkies?

I know a lot of people have this knee-jerk reaction towards them and in most cases it is entirely justified given their behaviour; but they are totally dependent on the substances they abuse and the suppliers of those substances.

I'm not saying we should have infinite compassion for junkies or scumbags, but to hate someone because they're addicted to a bad substance is just being mean and self-involved.

It would be more reasonable to hate scumbags who are just scumbags by virtue of their character rather than a physical and psychological dependence.

joetoad

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Of course you did. :rolleyes:

Ur username is appropiate and yes I did, walk along dominick street and areas around there and you'll see what I mean.

BillyMitchel

I don't think this is a straight yes no answer. I'd be from one of these supposed gang riddled areas and its not better or worse but different than previous times gone by.

I'd argue that the heroin problem doesn't seem to be as bad as what it was 15 years ago (dolphin house for example)but on the other hand the cocaine problem is rampant amongst the kids and younger adults. Young men these days are a lot more violent and will use weapons to prove it. Crack has found it's way in too and that sends the new wave of drug addicts completely off the wall.

Generally the areas where I'm from and surrounding areas seem to be a lot more quiet then what they were but when something does kickoff it's 10 times worse than what it used to be.

OP I wouldn't go judging people by clothes, some of the biggest scumbags around here wouldn't be caught dead in a track suit, while a friend of mine who's the biggest geek I know wears nothing but track suits, baseball caps and walks around like he's Lil Wayne or one of them gimps. He's been hired and moving over to Japan very soon to work with some company to build focking robots or something!

Laneyh

joetoad wrote: »

Did Ireland always have scumbags or is the situation getting worse year by year. Hate walking around dublin and you see heroin addicts, scumbags with their tracksuits and there hats at 90 degree angle. It seems to be getting worse year by year. You just know by looking at the person that there going to be on the dole for life, shot or put in prison. Yesterday I walked past a junkie taking a dump on a footpath. The amount of human ****e around dublin is disgusting

It does seem to be more obvious now than before, I think in part its been centralised. Some of the scummers didn't used to come into town but with the advent of the Luas they can travel around more easily. They also seem to like to hang out at or close to red line luas stops.

I've thankfully never seen someone taking a dump like that but I've no doubt it happens a lot. I have the utmost sympathy for anyone working in any city centre shops, particularly the spars & centras.

A couple of weekends ago I saw a guy smoking heroin in a phone box just off O'Connell Bridge, turned up one of the side streets off Aston Quay and there was a guy taking a piss he was neither discreet nor bothered that I saw him. Slightly further up there were two junkies sitting down sprawled out on what is supposed to be The Icon Walk. These 3 things were in a very small radius, at 1pm on a Saturday and they're just the tip of the iceberg. There is a general vibe of lawlessness and menace around the place. The junkies and scumbags seem to largely be content with fighting with each other but it makes the city centre extremely unpleasant and is just plain rotten.

I've lived in Dublin for 9 years in total living here between 1999-2003 and moving back here from London in 2009. The very first day I moved to Dublin in '99 I arrived in Heuston station to the dulcet tones of some knacker woman saying 'what are you looking at I'll bleedin' kill ya' I've always lived in the North Inner City so have seen some rare sights. I remember seeing skangers in the parks and places like that back then but I don't recall the full on street parties that they seem to have now.

People seem to blame central methadone clinics for some of it and it may have a role to play but it just seems to be a lot more prevalent / obvious these days.

The boardwalk and the whole area around Talbot St - Abbey St - Eden Quay are rank. Temple Bar is kind of seedy too, mixed in with the tourists and hen/stag dos you'll have some character that's totally skagged out of it

Chucken

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

it certainly seems that way. Earlier in the week, a Garda station in Clare was attacked during the night. Now, it was just windows smashed in but still. They also set fire to the private car of a female Garda. fairley serious and what most people would consider scumbag behavior.

Absolutely scumbag behaviour, but those lads arent your average scumbag
Not a tracksuit between them.

joetoad

BillyMitchel wrote: »

I don't think this is a straight yes no answer. I'd be from one of these supposed gang riddled areas and its not better or worse but different than previous times gone by.

I'd argue that the heroin problem doesn't seem to be as bad as what it was 15 years ago (dolphin house for example)but on the other hand the cocaine problem is rampant amongst the kids and younger adults. Young men these days are a lot more violent and will use weapons to prove it. Crack has found it's way in too and that sends the new wave of drug addicts completely off the wall.

Generally the areas where I'm from and surrounding areas seem to be a lot more quiet then what they were but when something does kickoff it's 10 times worse than what it used to be.

OP I wouldn't go judging people by clothes, some of the biggest scumbags around here wouldn't be caught dead in a track suit, while a friend of mine who's the biggest geek I know wears nothing but track suits, baseball caps and walks around like he's Lil Wayne or one of them gimps. He's been hired and moving over to Japan very soon to work with some company to build focking robots or something!

Some lads where things like tracksuit bottoms and baseball caps but you can tell straight away there not scumbags

catallus

orestes wrote: »

If you would like to engage in a discourse regarding the possible negative effects which a sub-culture (or the individuals of which it is comprised) can have on the dominant culture as a whole then it is important to take into account all of the relevant information such as the socio-political situation of the culture of the time whilst also realising that a sub-culture is in many ways a reflection of the culture within which it came to be. By definition, a sub-culture cannot exist independently of the culture from which it grew, which would suggest that the dominant culture has a responsibility towards the sub-culture and therefore has certain moral and ethical obligations towards it such as those in the relationship between Dr. Frnakenstein his monster.

See, using big words to sound clever isn't that hard, I usually just take it to mean somebody is trying to muddy the waters to make themselves sound clever about something that they know nothing about or to talk fancy sounding nonsense. Just cos someone is talking fancy sounding shyte, doesn't mean they're not talking shyte

I disagree with your point about a sub-culture being a reflection of the larger culture and also with your assertion that the dominant culture has a "responsibility towards" a sub-culture.

Why would you think I was trying to "muddy the waters"? The biggest word in my post was "reprehensible" I don't think I'm stretching the brains or vocabulary of too many people around here? I genuinely don't understand what was "fancy" about the words I used or the point I was making?

zenno

joetoad wrote: »

I'm only talking about scumbags and scumbag junkies who I despise. How can we rehabilitate them not to act like scumbags? Brainwash them? No we can't because they have the mind of a scumbag and they will never change

Well don't worry about it as they will all be on a TUS work for dole programme very soon or they will be erased from the dole. Yes this is a happening on a huge scale. The days of getting dole as i have seen are all gone, everyone will be working for it in their community and the social welfare will leave no spare souls in their en-devour. Times are a changing and no-one, scumbag or otherwise will be left roam outside this programme.