aldi doogfood

notfromhere

anybody try it was on rc but money has gotten very tight

are you serious

notfromhere wrote: »

anybody try it was on rc but money has gotten very tight

Havnt tried it and would either to be honest. Surely there are other options just as cheap that you could use.

Out of interest how much is it and people here could give you an alternate option.

Atlantic Dawn

Put a line of 4 dishes out with 2 containing your usualy brand and 2 containing Aldi, see which the dog prefers.

mikom

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Put a line of 4 dishes out with 2 containing your usualy brand and 2 containing Aldi, see which the dog prefers.

Previously on CSI:Dogfood.......

notfromhere wrote: »

money has gotten very tight

irish bloke

What's a doog??

bluecherry74

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Put a line of 4 dishes out with 2 containing your usualy brand and 2 containing Aldi, see which the dog prefers.

That's a bit like putting 2 bowls of chicken mcnuggets and 2 bowls of broccoli in front of a child and feeding them based on their preference.

OP, Aldi food would be quite poor quality. Could you post your monthly budget and I'm sure people will suggest a few brands that don't cost the earth? Also bear in mind that the cheaper the food the more fillers it contains, and you end up having to feed more, so going for the cheapest option can often cost the same as a more expensive brand.

notfromhere

thanks, are you serious, and bluecherry74 things arnt great money wise at home and am getting it in the neck from everyone because my baby is still on rc ha.hate the tought of aldi dog food its just some months we have the 24 euro to spend and other times we dont, cant put the money away every penny goes every week if you know what i mean

are you serious

I would recommend any of the Red Mills range.

In my opinion its a good food and price wise you wont get much better for the price per kg.

Louboutfan

notfromhere wrote: »

thanks, are you serious, and bluecherry74 things arnt great money wise at home and am getting it in the neck from everyone because my baby is still on rc ha.hate the tought of aldi dog food its just some months we have the 24 euro to spend and other times we dont, cant put the money away every penny goes every week if you know what i mean

Hi there,

I was feeding my dog RC and I recently switched to Gain. She is doing really well on it. I pay €37 for a large 12 kg bag. Hope this helps

Tranceypoo

What size of a bag do you get for 24 euro? I would agree with others about Aldi not being great BUT I totally understand about money being tight, we are in the same boat, I had my two on Burns but had to find something cheaper as a 15kg bag that cost 55 euro was only lasting a month, I found Markus Muhle on Zooplus, it's 42 for a 15kg bag or they do a deal on 2 bags for 75 euro, I know it's more expensive than Aldi but it seems to be really suiting my two and it might work out cheaper than the RC for you.

Look just don't feel bad about it, you do what you have to do with the way things are at the moment, at least you're feeding your dog (just watched Animal A&E with 2 starved boxers!), also have you tried feeding some raw veg to bulk up the food? One of mine loves carrots, cucumber,the other doesn't like them so much but they both love leftover wholemeal pasta (no sauce), they're all pretty good things to bulk out the food with I think.

mymo

I saw several people recommend skinners field and trial food, they have it on amazon pretty cheap if online shopping is an option it's 22.99 sterling I think, that's the 15kg bag, it looks good quality, if you subscribe to regular delivery they knock off a couple of pounds.

Here's a link, thinking of trying it for my two,
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Skinners-Field-Trial-Duck-Rice/dp/B003EGMHL2/ref=sr_1_1?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1363898533&sr=1-1
There are other flavours too.

Bannasidhe

Have to admit my lot love Aldi's wet dog food in the pouches.

They don't get it everyday - only when I have run out of freshly prepared chicken/fish and money so it's really just a stop gap.

They won't touch the more expensive wet foods or any dried foods except the prescription one I need for a dog I am long-term fostering (:rolleyes:) so much so that I ended up simply giving bags of Burns/Royal Canin/Hills etc dried food and tins/pouches of you name it we had it to my local rescue because they just would not eat any of it.

carav10

Skinners via Amazon Uk. Good food at a very reasonable price. RC is waaay too overpriced as are a lot of dog foods here imo.

BillyMitchel

OP if I remember correctly someone here broke down the ingredients and it wasn't great. Quick search and you should find it.

I've no idea what people usually pay for Red Mills but Woodies have a promotion or special deal going on for it.

boomerang

Thumbs up for Skinners, a very good food for the price and I add in tinned fish, boiled egg, cooked chicken a lot of the time to boost the protein and I also put in any cooked green veg we have.

fathead82

I was in the same position when I lost my job a few years ago,had to put mine on massbrooks(I think around €19 for 15kg) but I gave them raw eggs or tuna or oxtail soup every second day mixed in with their food. It did them no harm & didnt effect their health or condition. The only problem was that one of them got a bit fat on it.

meoklmrk91

Another thumbs up for Skinners, my dog has been on it for a good while now and I am very happy with him, great food for the price.

ISDW

fathead82 wrote: »

I was in the same position when I lost my job a few years ago,had to put mine on massbrooks(I think around €19 for 15kg) but I gave them raw eggs or tuna or oxtail soup every second day mixed in with their food. It did them no harm & didnt effect their health or condition. The only problem was that one of them got a bit fat on it.

my dogs eat Massbrook Trial and working dog, and do well on it.

borderlinemeath

Would you consider raw feeding OP? What type/size dog have you got? If you do it right you can feed your dog very cheaply. It does take a bit more effort but it's worthwhile doing. I feed 2 x 25kg dogs for about €2 a day and I could cut back on some of the fish and feed more chicken for cheaper. The only catch is you have to buy in bulk so you would need room in the freezer.

Nody

BillyMitchel wrote: »

OP if I remember correctly someone here broke down the ingredients and it wasn't great. Quick search and you should find it.

I've no idea what people usually pay for Red Mills but Woodies have a promotion or special deal going on for it.

You mean this thread? But yea, RC is like Whiskas/Felix etc. (spend to much money on deals/commercial and not enough on the ingredients to motivate their price).

Binka

+1 for the Skinners. If you look on Amazon the field & trial range starts at around £15 to £24 stg per 15kg and there's quite a good selection. The puppy and senior are a bit more expensive. The exchange rate is better for us at the moment as well.
It's well worth buying this instead of Red Mills as a bag of say, Winner, will set you back around €28.

btw, OP, as a comparison how much would 15kg of Aldi dry dog food cost you?

Nody

Binka wrote: »

btw, OP, as a comparison how much would 15kg of Aldi dry dog food cost you?

Aldi's website wrote:

Complete Moist & Meaty
each €3.99 *

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(3kg. €1.33 per kg

Earl's Complete Dog Food
each €9.29 *

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(10kg, 92.9c per kg)

OP; you can always argue (correctly) that buying quality food (i.e. not Royal Canin as that's just expensive mediocre quality food but Skinners etc. noted above) will save on your vet bills etc. which for obvious reasons is worth a slight monthly investment by getting better food.

I could not find an exact break down on Aldi's page but this was what I found googling:

Cereals, Meat and animal derivatives ( Chicken 4 % minimum in the moist meaty chunk biscuit with chicken) Derivates of vegetable origin. Oils and fats.Vegetable protein extracts. Vegetables (4 % in the green kibble) Minerals with antioxidant. EC Additives. Coloured & Preserved with EC Additives.

That's just a recipe for problems down the line if true (cereals is a big no no for dog or cat food).

Oh and I found this dog food review link where you can get a very good break down, ranking and review of the various dog food brands but they don't have Earl's as far as I can find . Look at getting at least a 3 star brand if possible; once you walk away from the commerical advertised once (i.e. RC etc.) you can usually get them at a very competative price.

BillyMitchel

Nody wrote: »

You mean this thread? But yea, RC is like Whiskas/Felix etc. (spend to much money on deals/commercial and not enough on the ingredients to motivate their price).

Sorry I meant broke down the ingredients for the Aldi food.

With all the comments and stuff I'm seeing about RC I beginning to think of other food for my dog.

What would be a good alternative to RC for giant puppies? At the moment I'm feeding him RC junior giant as the vet and breeder said its great for their growing bones. Some days he'd also get beef, chicken, rice.

I'm not having problems with RC but if there's a better alternative I'd sooner have him on that.

Nody

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Sorry I meant broke down the ingredients for the Aldi food.

With all the comments and stuff I'm seeing about RC I beginning to think of other food for my dog.

What would be a good alternative to RC for giant puppies? At the moment I'm feeding him RC junior giant as the vet and breeder said its great for their growing bones. Some days he'd also get beef, chicken, rice.

I'm not having problems with RC but if there's a better alternative I'd sooner have him on that.

It's going to be a boring list as it tends to always be the same

Raw feeding (best option)
Taste of the Wild (kibble)
Orijen (also known as Acana) who do a puppy large bred version (kibble)
Full list of 6* dry food

Here's the beginning of the comments on Orijen Large Breed Puppy:

The first three ingredients of this food are all named meat products, two of which are in meal form. There are further meat ingredients fifth, sixth, ninth, tenth, twelth, thirteenth and fourteenth (10 in total) on the ingredient list. We can thus have a high level of confidence in the meat content of this food, which the manufacturer states to be 70% of the total.


This is an entirely grainless dog food. The major carbohydrate source is potatoes, which are also a good source of B vitamins and other minerals. There is a good range of fruits/vegetables in the food, whole eggs and a good range of probiotics.


This food is outstanding in that it contains no grains whatsoever. Grains are not a natural part of a canine diet and it is pleasing to see dog foods on the market that exclude grains completely from the diet. This is a far more natural food concept and combined with a complete lack of any low quality or controversial ingredients is the reason this food is placed in a class above the more conventional form dry dog foods.

Full details and comments are here.

Here's RC Maxi Large Breed Puppy as comparison:

The first ingredient in the food is a named meat product. It is the sole significant meat product in the food, and our confidence that this product contains a decent amount of meat is low. There is a further meat product 6th on the ingredient list, but this is not only a minor ingredient but is inclusive of water content (about 80%). Once that is removed, as it must be to create a dehydrated product, the ingredient will weigh around 20% of its wet weight. Ingredients are listed in order of weight, and the dehydrated ingredient would probably be more accurately placed much further down the ingredient list. It is highly unlikely that this ingredient makes any significant contribution to the overall meat content of the food.


The main grain in the food is rice, which is a decent quality grain. Corn, however, is a low quality ingredient. It is a difficult to digest grain that is commonly associated with allergy problems. Corn Gluten Meal is the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm. In plain English, that bit of the corn leftover after most of the nutritious bits have been removed. The husks of psyllium seeds are more filler.


Beet pulp is controversial filler which appears to be used in large quantities in this food. It is a by-product, being dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. It is a controversial ingredient in dog food, claimed by some manufacturers to be a good source of fibre, and derided by others as an ingredient added to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats and causing stress to kidney and liver in the process. We note that beet pulp is an ingredient that commonly causes problems for dogs, including allergies and ear infections, and prefer not to see it used in dog food. There are less controversial products around if additional fibre is required. Soya oil is a further substance commonly linked to food allergies. We would prefer to see the use of whole eggs rather than egg product in the food.

Full details are here.

bluecherry74

I looked as Skinners last year when I was trying to find a food that suited my dogs (I eventually switched to raw) and the Field & Trial looks great for the price.

Don't be afraid to add healthy leftovers to your dog's dinner as well, OP. leftover cooked spud, veg, meat trimmings etc - basically anything that's not heavily spiced can be given to bulk out the meal. Just avoid things that are overly fatty or contain a lot of onions (a few slivers of onions in a spoonful of stew is fine, but they're toxic in larger quantities).

ISDW

Just one point about eggs in commercial food - egg white is not great for dogs, it can bind them. egg yolk is fantastic, which is why some of the dried foods use 'egg product' and not whole eggs.

boomerang

Never heard that before ISDW. Do you mean the egg white constipates them?

Egg whites are a fantastic source of protein, as are the yolks, but the yolks are more energy dense so we've gotta think about calories if the dog is already at optimal weight. I think a whole egg yields about a 100 calories.

Bannasidhe

boomerang wrote: »

Never heard that before ISDW. Do you mean the egg white constipates them?

Egg whites are a fantastic source of protein, as are the yolks, but the yolks are more energy dense so we've gotta think about calories if the dog is already at optimal weight. I think a whole egg yields about a 100 calories.

I was interested to hear that too as my foster dog has a liver shunt so his diet must be carefully monitored.

I have been advised that he does need some animal protein and research on-line suggested a cooked egg a week mixed in with his dried food is a good way of making sure he gets this I should not under any circumstances give him the yolk- only the white.

ISDW

boomerang wrote: »

Never heard that before ISDW. Do you mean the egg white constipates them?

Egg whites are a fantastic source of protein, as are the yolks, but the yolks are more energy dense so we've gotta think about calories if the dog is already at optimal weight. I think a whole egg yields about a 100 calories.

Raw egg whites contain avidin, which can bind with biotin (Vit B7) - i.e. impair the absorption of it.

ISDW

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I was interested to hear that too as my foster dog has a liver shunt so his diet must be carefully monitored.

I have been advised that he does need some animal protein and research on-line suggested a cooked egg a week mixed in with his dried food is a good way of making sure he gets this I should not under any circumstances give him the yolk- only the white.

Who advised that? If it was your vet, I would obviously listen to them, if it was one of us keyboard warriors, I'd do further research.

paultf

ISDW wrote: »

Just one point about eggs in commercial food - egg white is not great for dogs, it can bind them. egg yolk is fantastic, which is why some of the dried foods use 'egg product' and not whole eggs.

I don't know much about this area but one of Burns moist foods has whole eggs in it:-

www.burnspet.co.uk/products/burns-for-dogs/penlan-farm-range-egg-brown-rice-vegetables-moist-dog-food.html

Ingredients:
Free Range Egg (Min 20%), Organic Brown Rice (Min 20%), Seasonal Vegetables (Min 20%), Minerals & Vitamins

Also they suggest if your dog has digestive problems that you can use cooked egg instead of chicken with rice:-
www.burnspet.co.uk/petcare/burns-pet-nutrition-advice/digestive-problems.html

boomerang

ISDW wrote: »

Raw egg whites contain avidin, which can bind with biotin (Vit B7) - i.e. impair the absorption of it.

Ah, now I have you.

I never feed raw eggs to my crew, anyhoo. It's not that I'm worried about bugs. I'm just squeamish about raw eggs!

If your vet has said not to feed the yolk it's with very good reason. The yolk is nutritionally different to the white and dogs with liver disease need a very specific diet. I know dogs with kidney disease should only have a certain amount of yolk as it has more phosphorus in it than the egg white.

ISDW

paultf wrote: »

I don't know much about this area but one of Burns moist foods has whole eggs in it:-

www.burnspet.co.uk/products/burns-for-dogs/penlan-farm-range-egg-brown-rice-vegetables-moist-dog-food.html

Ingredients:
Free Range Egg (Min 20%), Organic Brown Rice (Min 20%), Seasonal Vegetables (Min 20%), Minerals & Vitamins

Also they suggest if your dog has digestive problems that you can use cooked egg instead of chicken with rice:-
www.burnspet.co.uk/petcare/burns-pet-nutrition-advice/digestive-problems.html

That doesn't actually say it has the whole egg in it, I don't know if it does or it doesn't, I imagine that saying egg could mean the whole thing, or part of it? Interesting that they don't specify what minerals and vitamins are in there. I wonder why they put veggies in it?

boomerang

I suppose for fibre and for the additional micronutrients, ISDW, although it also cuts down on the amount of egg required, which is more expensive than the veggies! AFAIK Burns keep their own free-range hens for egg production, which is cool.

ETA Was just reading my favourite dog diet website, www.dogaware.com and came across this:

"Eggs: Feed eggs raw or cooked, such as lightly scrambled, soft- or hard-boiled. Whole raw eggs are fine, as the yolks contain plenty of biotin to make up for what the raw egg whites destroy, but the whites are more easily digested when cooked."

Bannasidhe

ISDW wrote: »

Who advised that? If it was your vet, I would obviously listen to them, if it was one of us keyboard warriors, I'd do further research.

My vet would have him on nothing but RC hepatic - which he hates and refuses to eat unless I mix something with it!

Jean Dodds, who I contacted, said he needs protein (esp as he is still only a pup and growing) as he does not have a liver disease he has a liver shunt but only in small amounts and the lower the purine the better - eggs are low in purine.

I can't remember where I read about the egg yolk tbh - and that may have been in relation to liver disease.

I must admit - once a week I scramble a whole egg and mix it with rice and poached white fish and share it between the 3 dogs and they mangle it (kedgeree for dogs).

Mostly he has the RC hepatic mixed with cooked spuds and veg (blended together) with a tiny bit of chicken or white fish and either home made light chicken stock or the liquor from the poached fish to moisten it - he won't eat it if it's too dry.

My vet (who as I said thinks he is only on RC hepatic) said keep doing what I am doing as he has tripled in size since we got him in Dec - not fat, growth - and is a bright eyed, glossy coated, bundle of energy.

paultf

ISDW wrote: »

That doesn't actually say it has the whole egg in it, I don't know if it does or it doesn't, I imagine that saying egg could mean the whole thing, or part of it? Interesting that they don't specify what minerals and vitamins are in there. I wonder why they put veggies in it?

I found the mineral, vitamin, etc information on Zooplus:
http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/dogs/wet_dog_food/burns_wet/burns_pouches/198514

Egg, Brown Rice & Vegetables: Free range egg (min 20%), organic brown rice (min 20%), seasonal vegetables (min 20%), vitamins and minerals.
Protein 5.70%, fat 3.3%, fibre 1.1%, moisture 69.4%, ash 0.7%, vitamin A 5000 IU/kg, vitamin D3 500 IU/kg, vitamin E 36 IU/kg, copper 8mg/kg.
Additives:
Vitamin A (5,000 IU/kg), vitamin D3 (500 IU/kg), vitamin E (36 IE/kg), copper (8 mg/kg).

Reventon93

I find the comments quite surprising.
Both my dogs have always eaten aldi/lidl brand dog food. And it's never done them any harm. Anytime they've been to the vets, they've been complemeted. However, one of the vets said to my dad one time, time that he wouldnt touch the stuff, after he had said that my Sammy was in perfect health and condition. I think that as long as your
dog will eat it, why not.

boomerang

Bannasidhe wrote: »

My vet would have him on nothing but RC hepatic - which he hates and refuses to eat unless I mix something with it!


Read here, Bannasidhe.


http://www.dogaware.com/health/liver.html#shunts

I understand your vet's reluctance to feed anything other than a hepatic diet, because the dietary needs of a dog with liver issues can be complex, depending on the cause of illness. Mary Strauss, to whom I've linked, is a legend. 100% trustworthy and reliable source of dietary advice for dogs with hepatic/renal/pancreatic issues.

Irishchick

Reventon93 wrote: »

I think that as long as your
dog will eat it, why not.

Your dog would eat chicken nuggets and crisps and biscuits too, so why not?

Because its not healthy that's why. Your dogs must be lucky but I'd love to do a full blood profile on them too see what deficiencies they have.

A dog is a carnivore and needs a high percentage of meat in it's diet to be healthy. He'd be lucky if the cow walked across the aldi/lidl food.

dharma200

Reventon93 wrote: »

I find the comments quite surprising.
Both my dogs have always eaten aldi/lidl brand dog food. And it's never done them any harm. Anytime they've been to the vets, they've been complemeted. However, one of the vets said to my dad one time, time that he wouldnt touch the stuff, after he had said that my Sammy was in perfect health and condition. I think that as long as your
dog will eat it, why not.

The only thing that might be surprising is what is actually in these pet foods, and the long term effects it has feeding your dog the equivalent to a human mcdonalds every day... smelly breath, bad gums, bad teeth , bad bones, bad joints, painful old age, and potentially slow death.

People might think it is expensive but raw feeding is the only option for my own dogs....

One of my dogs would eat sh9t on a stick... doesnt mean i would feed him it,,, however it would probably be bettter for him than aldi food long term.... if you are in financial difficuties op, my advise would be to by one expensive brand and one cheap, and mix. Just feeding that smuck in aldi or lidl i dont think, personally to be good in long term and may work out a false economy in the future ..hths

ShaShaBear

I got a bag of dried food (11 euro for 15kg) in my local cash and carry, no cereal content - it's not brand labelled, but has on it that it is for breeding and working dogs. Shadow is neither, but as he's a large collie cross, it more than does the trick.

I got it one week to try, as some people know he was on Lidls finest ( :rolleyes: ) while he lived with my mother. I bought the bag at the start of November, and I'm just finishing the dregs off now. He is doing much better - his weight has stabilized, he has more energy, and his coat smells like vanilla for some reason :P

Maybe look for a cash and carry for animal feed and see if they have something like this? Simply look up the ingredients list of all these expensive brands and compare it to the ingredients on the bag you want to buy

ISDW

Reventon93 wrote: »

I find the comments quite surprising.
Both my dogs have always eaten aldi/lidl brand dog food. And it's never done them any harm. Anytime they've been to the vets, they've been complemeted. However, one of the vets said to my dad one time, time that he wouldnt touch the stuff, after he had said that my Sammy was in perfect health and condition. I think that as long as your
dog will eat it, why not.

Something in the aldi and lidl dog food's favour though is that they are made in Germany I believe, and I understand that the standards in Germany for pet food manufacture are higher than those here, I think the meat has to be human grade.

dharma200 wrote: »

The only thing that might be surprising is what is actually in these pet foods, and the long term effects it has feeding your dog the equivalent to a human mcdonalds every day... smelly breath, bad gums, bad teeth , bad bones, bad joints, painful old age, and potentially slow death.

People might think it is expensive but raw feeding is the only option for my own dogs....

One of my dogs would eat sh9t on a stick... doesnt mean i would feed him it,,, however it would probably be bettter for him than aldi food long term.... if you are in financial difficuties op, my advise would be to by one expensive brand and one cheap, and mix. Just feeding that smuck in aldi or lidl i dont think, personally to be good in long term and may work out a false economy in the future ..hths

Whilst I'm not going to argue against raw food, nobody on these threads ever seems to mention the fact that dogs also get sick on a raw diet. If people are going to do it, they need to do it properly, and unfortunately an awful lot of people don't. I have seen a chocolate labrador turn white because of deficiencies in its raw diet. I will have to see if I can find it on t'internet.

ISDW

ShaShaBear wrote: »

I got a bag of dried food (11 euro for 15kg) in my local cash and carry, no cereal content - it's not brand labelled, but has on it that it is for breeding and working dogs. Shadow is neither, but as he's a large collie cross, it more than does the trick.

I got it one week to try, as some people know he was on Lidls finest ( :rolleyes: ) while he lived with my mother. I bought the bag at the start of November, and I'm just finishing the dregs off now. He is doing much better - his weight has stabilized, he has more energy, and his coat smells like vanilla for some reason :P

Maybe look for a cash and carry for animal feed and see if they have something like this? Simply look up the ingredients list of all these expensive brands and compare it to the ingredients on the bag you want to buy

working dog and greyhound food has reduced VAT in Eire and is VAT free in NI and the UK, so sometimes it is cheaper because of that.

ShaShaBear

ISDW wrote: »

working dog and greyhound food has reduced VAT in Eire and is VAT free in NI and the UK, so sometimes it is cheaper because of that.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the man who runs the cash and carry (I live in a town that is a 5 minute drive to the border) is getting them in from the UK, but even if he isn't, I imagine there is a food that could be got in any of those agri feed places that would be better than Aldi/Lidl, especially if mixed with some meat/fish. Chances are if things are that tight for the OP (by the way OP the bag of food that I bought was the same price as the Lidl food in a bag half the size ) then there won't be many named brands they can afford. Something to look into anyway if you can get to one OP

Bannasidhe

boomerang wrote: »

Bannasidhe wrote: »

My vet would have him on nothing but RC hepatic - which he hates and refuses to eat unless I mix something with it!


Read here, Bannasidhe.


http://www.dogaware.com/health/liver.html#shunts

I understand your vet's reluctance to feed anything other than a hepatic diet, because the dietary needs of a dog with liver issues can be complex, depending on the cause of illness. Mary Strauss, to whom I've linked, is a legend. 100% trustworthy and reliable source of dietary advice for dogs with hepatic/renal/pancreatic issues.

That ties with what Jean Dodds said and what I have been doing.

He has just inhaled some RC hepatic with mashed spud - tiny bit of butter - some poached white fish moistened with the liqour.

Thanks for that!

I must say that although I do on occasion use aldi's wet food pouches I only once tried their dried food and I ended up giving it away to a rescue.

dharma200

ISDW wrote: »

Something in the aldi and lidl dog food's favour though is that they are made in Germany I believe, and I understand that the standards in Germany for pet food manufacture are higher than those here, I think the meat has to be human grade.



Whilst I'm not going to argue against raw food, nobody on these threads ever seems to mention the fact that dogs also get sick on a raw diet. If people are going to do it, they need to do it properly, and unfortunately an awful lot of people don't. I have seen a chocolate labrador turn white because of deficiencies in its raw diet. I will have to see if I can find it on t'internet.

I totally agree.... if you do it the wrong way it is just plain wrong, however, there is little excuse for anyone who has access to information, the internet etc to do it wrong... Unfortunately feeding dogs complete crap that comes in a bag does not usuallly have such a strong effect as mentioned and the long term health problems can be dormant for years... Ofcourse anyone going raw has to learn, learn and learn some more. For a dog to change colour due to deficiencies I would say would be the most extreme case of raw feeding without as much as a thought for the contents, quotas and percentages of minearls vitamins, protien carbs etc.. much the same as feeding dogs out of a bag bought in a shop without fullly understanding the ingreidients

ISDW

dharma200 wrote: »

I totally agree.... if you do it the wrong way it is just plain wrong, however, there is little excuse for anyone who has access to information, the internet etc to do it wrong... Unfortunately feeding dogs complete crap that comes in a bag does not usuallly have such a strong effect as mentioned and the long term health problems can be dormant for years... Ofcourse anyone going raw has to learn, learn and learn some more. For a dog to change colour due to deficiencies I would say would be the most extreme case of raw feeding without as much as a thought for the contents, quotas and percentages of minearls vitamins, protien carbs etc.. much the same as feeding dogs out of a bag bought in a shop without fullly understanding the ingreidients

But the internet is full of people who portray themselves as experts, but who really aren't How do people know who to trust, and who to run a mile from? I've seen some shocking advice on raw feeding, but people then go and follow it.

dharma200

ISDW wrote: »

But the internet is full of people who portray themselves as experts, but who really aren't How do people know who to trust, and who to run a mile from? I've seen some shocking advice on raw feeding, but people then go and follow it.

Well, I am not sure which advise you are talking about, and obv this isnt a thread about the raw feeding debate.. but I would suspect that most people who have an iota of sense, logic are able to work out these facts.. others can take advice from whoever, a vet, a friend, someone on boards etc. However if we are talking about the best interests of our animals, then same as anything which is dependent on us for their sustenance, it is possible to give and then produce our own advice, I think it is called ancedotal.. I think as adult we can all work our way through ancedotal advice, and proffessional advise and work out (hopefully ) what is best.. It is an academic way of seeing things also, dialetical... one says one thing another says another, another says another etc etc, and we work out what is best by using all the information. Always assuming you are dealing with the lowest possible intelligence who might only feed their dogs raw aldi chicken all the time.. or cooked chicken etc etc.... to use one ancedotal incident, of a dog changing colour, in no way would have any impact on my own research, and obviously I have the best interests of my own animals , children and life at heart, but I know where you are coming from. To go back to the thread topic however, and it is my understanding you work in an animal welfare setting, if you are skint, and worried about what you are going to feed your dog, then you are a good dog owner.. the fact you worry shows this. To maintain a healthy dog regardless of what method, if you are the waelthiest person on earthj, you are still a bad owner if you only feed your dog fillet steak. So well done op for worrying, and you will find a method that suits your purse and your animal, hopefully. The fact that one dog choked on a bit of kibble does not mean you shouldnt feed kibble, or that one dog changed colour becuse it was being fed a completely wrong diet, does not take away anything from people who are genuiniely concerned for their animals welfare.

ISDW

dharma200 wrote: »

Well, I am not sure which advise you are talking about, and obv this isnt a thread about the raw feeding debate.. but I would suspect that most people who have an iota of sense, logic are able to work out these facts.. others can take advice from whoever, a vet, a friend, someone on boards etc. However if we are talking about the best interests of our animals, then same as anything which is dependent on us for their sustenance, it is possible to give and then produce our own advice, I think it is called ancedotal.. I think as adult we can all work our way through ancedotal advice, and proffessional advise and work out (hopefully ) what is best.. It is an academic way of seeing things also, dialetical... one says one thing another says another, another says another etc etc, and we work out what is best by using all the information. Always assuming you are dealing with the lowest possible intelligence who might only feed their dogs raw aldi chicken all the time.. or cooked chicken etc etc.... to use one ancedotal incident, of a dog changing colour, in no way would have any impact on my own research, and obviously I have the best interests of my own animals , children and life at heart, but I know where you are coming from. To go back to the thread topic however, and it is my understanding you work in an animal welfare setting, if you are skint, and worried about what you are going to feed your dog, then you are a good dog owner.. the fact you worry shows this. To maintain a healthy dog regardless of what method, if you are the waelthiest person on earthj, you are still a bad owner if you only feed your dog fillet steak. So well done op for worrying, and you will find a method that suits your purse and your animal, hopefully. The fact that one dog choked on a bit of kibble does not mean you shouldnt feed kibble, or that one dog changed colour becuse it was being fed a completely wrong diet, does not take away anything from people who are genuiniely concerned for their animals welfare.

there is a woman in the UK who posts on FB constantly, in lots of different forums, and who is recommended by other people as a raw expert, but who has only been feeding her own dogs raw for a few months. new people don't know that she is an idiot and knows nothing - she used to feed her dogs liquidised tinned food, via a pipe into their stomachs! They see her being recommended by others as an expert, so they listen to her and act accordingly. it is very common on the internet unfortunately, that people believe that someone knows what their talking about, without actually getting any proof. It is very easy to pretend to be something your not.

borderlinemeath

ISDW wrote: »

there is a woman in the UK who posts on FB constantly, in lots of different forums, and who is recommended by other people as a raw expert, but who has only been feeding her own dogs raw for a few months. new people don't know that she is an idiot and knows nothing - she used to feed her dogs liquidised tinned food, via a pipe into their stomachs! They see her being recommended by others as an expert, so they listen to her and act accordingly. it is very common on the internet unfortunately, that people believe that someone knows what their talking about, without actually getting any proof. It is very easy to pretend to be something your not.

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dharma200

ISDW wrote: »

there is a woman in the UK who posts on FB constantly, in lots of different forums, and who is recommended by other people as a raw expert, but who has only been feeding her own dogs raw for a few months. new people don't know that she is an idiot and knows nothing - she used to feed her dogs liquidised tinned food, via a pipe into their stomachs! They see her being recommended by others as an expert, so they listen to her and act accordingly. it is very common on the internet unfortunately, that people believe that someone knows what their talking about, without actually getting any proof. It is very easy to pretend to be something your not.

thats exactly what I am saying, I feed raw, that does not mean i am some sort of zombie who will take the advice of someone such as this person... I mean the whole point of my post.... there are idiots everywhere... that doesnt mean doing something right makes the whole concept wrong because idiots do it wrong.. if that were the case we would all do nothing because maybe a few idiots might get it wrong? Am I making sense here... I could link you a thousand sites of seriously bad advice, that doesnt mean when something is done right it shouldnt exist.. the whole anti raw feeding is based on peopple saying.... these idiots do it wrong so there is no right way to do it...... that is a very bad basis for aurguing against anything, The woman is obviously one of many many idiots who own animals in this world. that doesnt mean anyone who raw feeds is an idiot. soryy op for hijacking thread....