BOD cited

rrpc

http://www.irishrugby.ie/ireland/28774.php

Ireland centre Brian O'Driscoll has been cited by the independent citing commissioner following Saturday's RBS 6 Nations against Italy at the Stadio Olimpico.



Brian O'Driscoll was cited for 'allegedly stamping or trampling on an opponent', contrary to law 10.4 (b), in the RBS 6 Nations match between Italy and Ireland in Rome on Saturday afternoon. Details of the hearing will be announced later.

Teferi

For me there wasn't much in.

Italian backrow attempts to stop or slow the ball going back to the Irish side and gets a boot for his troubles.

Like any backrow he attempted to cheat but got stung for it. The amateur dramatics after it were Oscar worthy.

Paddywiggum

2 week ban

sydthebeat

Paddywiggum wrote: »

2 week ban

Three week for me..... when they start it is another question altogether.

.ak

I'd see it being reduced to a week tbh.

Paddywiggum

sydthebeat wrote: »

Three week for me..... when they start it is another question altogether.

True! it must really gall ODriscoll if he has to finish Irish career in this fashion, not the send off he would have wanted or deserved for his career. I think it was an action telling of his mindset though

rrpc

Paddywiggum wrote: »

True! it must really gall ODriscoll if he has to finish Irish career in this fashion, not the send off he would have wanted or deserved for his career. I think it was an action telling of his mindset though

Three yellow cards in one match is even more telling.

hoodwinked

i saw the clip on RTE again last night, is he cited for the stamp or the slap to the face the italian got?

geotrig

Teferi wrote: »

For me there wasn't much in.

Italian backrow attempts to stop or slow the ball going back to the Irish side and gets a boot for his troubles.

Like any backrow he attempted to cheat but got stung for it. The amateur dramatics after it were Oscar worthy.

did you watch the same match as me for me BOD wasnt even playing the ball this was a deliberate stamp on a mans stomach (really not acceptable)not a rack a stamp and wasnt even attempting to play the ball that was at the otherside (further to the right)he also was continued at the player with his hands .i think he was lucky to stay on the pitch at all that day tbh ..if this happened to one of our players we would be outraged

.ak

It did happen to one of our players, several infact, during the Welsh game. There wasn't much of an issue made about it really.

prospect

He deserves the citing, sure it was born from frustration but it was still nasty.


However, 2 sin bins in a 14 year career will most likely mean a short ban.

Quin_Dub

geotrig wrote: »

did you watch the same match as me for me BOD wasnt even playing the ball this was a deliberate stamp on a mans stomach (really not acceptable)not a rack a stamp and wasnt even attempting to play the ball that was at the otherside (further to the right)he also was continued at the player with his hands .i think he was lucky to stay on the pitch at all that day tbh ..if this happened to one of our players we would be outraged

If you look at the video , he is reacting to the fact that Favaro has an Irish player in a choke hold (arm clearly around the throat) and you can also see the him lean back and put serious pressure on the Irish players throat.

He reacted badly, no question , but there was provocation there certainly.

pickarooney

Any clips?

Quin_Dub

pickarooney wrote: »

Any clips?

Trying to find some - I have the game recorded here at home and watched that event again yesterday..

Is the game on RTE player yet?

twinytwo

prospect wrote: »

He deserves the citing, sure it was born from frustration but it was still nasty.


However, 2 sin bins in a 14 year career will most likely mean a short ban.

and the first one was for repeated infingement, it just happened to be drico that got it.

pickarooney

Just found it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NBrhNYY8nAc#t=116s

Totally unprovoked, the Italian player was not holding anyone. Red card for me.

its_phil

pickarooney wrote: »

Just found it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NBrhNYY8nAc#t=116s

Totally unprovoked, the Italian player was not holding anyone. Red card for me.

While I'm not defending the stamp, the Italian player deserved a rake for not making any attempt to roll away.

For Paws

Difficult to see why BOD thought it necessary to go in like that. Maybe an earlier incident with Favaro ?
Given the loss of Marshall & Earls to injury it was an incredibly stupid action from a senior player.
Doubt that he'll be banned for long though.

Pudsy33

I saw it live, picked it p as it happened, an instantly said red card. Was surprised to see the replay and see it was Drico. I think a couple of weeks off is about right.

sydthebeat

The correct decision was made at the time, yellow card, 10 minutes.

As stampings go, to me its probably in the mid range.. same range as healys, only healy stamped on a joint. Bods, while a torso stamp, seems to have more force.

the max suspension for a mid range stamp is 5 weeks.
No previous citings and BODs previous exemplary international record will allow a reduction of 50%... so 2 1/2 weeks.

I predict he will get a 3 week suspension, possibly deferred to begin 24 / 03 / 13.. which means possibly missing ulster wasps, munster games.

edit: also remember that in Healys suspension they had no referee report or assistant referees report to go on, so they were free to implement action as they saw fit. With BODs there will be a referees / assistants report which will explain why they took the yellow card action.

lurtz

we can't see where the ball is in that ruck so do we know he wasnt obstructing it?

Rightwing

its_phil wrote: »

While I'm not defending the stamp, the Italian player deserved a rake for not making any attempt to roll away.

Rolling away ?

BOD was up like a bullet to stamp on him. Very uncharacteristic I must say.

A yellow was fair, and maybe a 2 week ban. He will disappointed with himself.

sydthebeat

lurtz wrote: »

we can't see where the ball is in that ruck so do we know he wasnt obstructing it?

we can, the ball is in madigans possession, favaro is lying on wrong side... this means madigan has to try to present the ball over him, exposing it. BODs stamp occurs less that 6" from the presented ball... IMHO he may claim an clumsy raking attempt.

Rightwing

sydthebeat wrote: »

we can, the ball is in madigans possession, favaro is lying on wrong side... this means madigan has to try to present the ball over him, exposing it. BODs stamp occurs less that 6" from the presented ball... IMHO he may claim an clumsy raking attempt.

He may, but there is intent written all over it.

geotrig

link here action from about 16s in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVDq8gaVTOo

i do agree that it was very out of character so that will stand in his defence , still very dangerous play though i think the force that it hits might go against him ,ball seems to be over by best judging from everyones else interest at the breakdown ...there may have been an incident earlier that caused him to lose it but

sydthebeat

Rightwing wrote: »

He may, but there is intent written all over it.

Its up to the committee to determine this.

In my opinion its actually easier to argue this as a clumsy rake than Healys, and Healys claim of no intent was accepted.

Theta

He will get a week and he deserves it, very unlike him and I wonder if something happened earlier in the game to set him off? The Italian player makes a good show of it though. Lets be honest most people get stamps like this all the time and walk away without issue.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Does anyone else see the knee contact between Blue 13 and Madigans neck in that incident with Favaro's body trapping Madigan in position.

ScrubsfanChris

It was clearly a stamp, if he wanted to remove the player then drag him out of the ruck by the shirt/arm like a player would normally do.
There was no need for what he did, anyone who tries to claim it was rucking seems to have their BOD tinted glasses on.

Rightwing

sydthebeat wrote: »

Its up to the committee to determine this.

In my opinion its actually easier to argue this as a clumsy rake than Healys, and Healys claim of no intent was accepted.

I agree, only my opinion, but it looks very deliberate.

It's not a big issue though, and we wouldn't be even discussing it if it were any player other than o driscoll.

its_phil

Rightwing wrote: »

Rolling away ?

BOD was up like a bullet to stamp on him. Very uncharacteristic I must say.

A yellow was fair, and maybe a 2 week ban. He will disappointed with himself.

Yes he is clearly in a position that does not allow Madigan to place the ball back, if your going to lye there with no attempt to move you deserve a rake. Like I said above I wasn't defending the stamp but Zanni deserved a rake.

Dravokivich

its_phil wrote: »

Yes he is clearly in a position that does not allow Madigan to place the ball back, if your going to lye there with no attempt to move you deserve a rake. Like I said above I wasn't defending the stamp but Zanni deserved a rake.

Unless the video is incredibly speed up, it looks like he couldn't of had a chance to roll away. what with everyone getting up on top of him so quickly.

Busted Flat.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

If you look at the video , he is reacting to the fact that Favaro has an Irish player in a choke hold (arm clearly around the throat) and you can also see the him lean back and put serious pressure on the Irish players throat.

He reacted badly, no question , but there was provocation there certainly.

This off the Laveline thread.

The Italian guy does not seem to be holding anyone.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/17/article-2294949-18BD7780000005DC-156_634x361.jpg

sydthebeat

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

It was clearly a stamp, if he wanted to remove the player then drag him out of the ruck by the shirt/arm like a player would normally do.
There was no need for what he did, anyone who tries to claim it was rucking seems to have their BOD tinted glasses on.

well im certainly not claiming it was 'rucking' (do you mean raking?)

It is obviously an offense and action was taking.... im just offering an objective defensive for it.... which he will have to do himself.

Im just saying that its easier claim this was clumsy raking than healys, and healys explanation was accepted.

sydthebeat

Busted Flat. wrote: »

This off the Laveline thread.

The Italian guy does not seem to be holding anyone.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/17/article-2294949-18BD7780000005DC-156_634x361.jpg

yes, theres no question of holding or choking. The italian had let go of madigan even before BOD had gotten up of the ground.

Spudmonkey

its_phil wrote: »

Yes he is clearly in a position that does not allow Madigan to place the ball back, if your going to lye there with no attempt to move you deserve a rake. Like I said above I wasn't defending the stamp but Zanni deserved a rake.

Zanni had no chance of rolling away and it was a stamp not a rake.

sydthebeat

Spudmonkey wrote: »

Zanni had no chance of rolling away and it was a stamp not a rake.

yes he had, and its_phil already said it was a stamp.

everyone knows it was a stamp. Who is trying to claim it was a rake?

He said he deserved to be raked, which he did....
zanni lay on his back, hands out.. making no attempt at all to roll away

Trojan

It deserves a week or two. Nothing crazy bad, but it is a yellow for sure, probably a red. 15 years ago this wouldn't even have been a penalty.

pickarooney

Trojan wrote: »

It deserves a week or two. Nothing crazy bad, but it is a yellow for sure, probably a red. 15 years ago this wouldn't even have been a penalty.

I was watching France-Scotland from the 1995 World cup the other day in the pub and some of the stamping and raking was unbelievable. One of the Scots had the entire back of his jersey (thick cotton ones from back in the day) ripped off and four deep stud marks in his back, right under the ref's nose and not even a penalty.

Busted Flat.

pickarooney wrote: »

I was watching France-Scotland from the 1995 World cup the other day in the pub and some of the stamping and raking was unbelievable. One of the Scots had the entire back of his jersey (thick cotton ones from back in the day) ripped off and four deep stud marks in his back, right under the ref's nose and not even a penalty.

People could drink and drive then, rules are brought in to improve behavior, boot boy stamping or raking, was brought in to protect players. Is this his first time to do that sort of thing ?. Just asking.

Kev_2012

That was a yellow and nothing more. I've seen play waved on for more in J2 rugby. If he gets banned it should be a week.

sydthebeat

Busted Flat. wrote: »

People could drink and drive then.....

really???

its been an offence since 1961 actually

Busted Flat.

sydthebeat wrote: »

really???

its been an offence since 1961 actually

I am aware of that, but it was only enforced lightly.

sydthebeat

Busted Flat. wrote: »

I am aware of that, but it was only enforced lightly.

... i suppose the crux of the matter is that in the grand scheme of rugby infrigments go.. its not the worst.

he easiest comparison is to healys as its fresh in the mind, and i dont think BODs is as bad.

Look at what ashton got away with versus wales last saturday....

Podge_irl

He''ll probably get a couple weeks. As long as he is back for the Wasps game I don't care.

fryup

Teferi wrote: »

For me there wasn't much in.

Italian backrow attempts to stop or slow the ball going back to the Irish side and gets a boot for his troubles.

Like any backrow he attempted to cheat but got stung for it. The amateur dramatics after it were Oscar worthy.

take off your green tinted glasses will ya...he should have got a red card nevermind yellow

Artful_Badger

Same as the Healy incident as far as I'm concerned. Both stamped on a player illegally slowing the ball. Couple weeks.

The blood curdling screams of agony after it was good though, deserving of an Oscar nomination for best comedy performance in a rugby match. And whoever it was that went down like a sack of shít when Kearney pushed him deserves a mention too.

Busted Flat.

I asked earlier, was this his first time stomping, or the first time he was caught.

The Peoples Captain

Really stupid from BOD. Unlike the Healy incident, there were no mitigating circumstances. It was just a straight stamp to the mid-section of a prone player by a frustrated legend. The hand to the face after wasn't great either. A 6 week ban reduced to 3/4 would be fair, but expect BOD to get away without more than a slap on the wrist.

It was very disappointing and very similar to ROG's trip in a way. An ageing icon of Irish rugby lashing out as he can no longer impact a game as he wants.

Tox56

The Peoples Captain wrote: »

Really stupid from BOD. Unlike the Healy incident, there were no mitigating circumstances. It was just a straight stamp to the mid-section of a prone player by a frustrated legend. The hand to the face after wasn't great either. A 6 week ban reduced to 3/4 would be fair, but expect BOD to get away without more than a slap on the wrist.

It was very disappointing and very similar to ROG's trip in a way. An ageing icon of Irish rugby lashing out as he can no longer impact a game as he wants.

He was just nominated for 6 Nations player of the year.. he won't get it and he was lucky to be nominated, but he was pretty good this 6 Nations, absolutely nowhere near the levels of ROG. He was frustrated with how the game was going and lashed out, just as Healy did, Healy isn't some ageing icon lashing out because he can no longer impact a game as he wants, he just got caught up in the moment

Artful_Badger

The Peoples Captain wrote: »

Really stupid from BOD. Unlike the Healy incident, there were no mitigating circumstances. It was just a straight stamp to the mid-section of a prone player by a frustrated legend. The hand to the face after wasn't great either. A 6 week ban reduced to 3/4 would be fair, but expect BOD to get away without more than a slap on the wrist.

It was very disappointing and very similar to ROG's trip in a way. An ageing icon of Irish rugby lashing out as he can no longer impact a game as he wants.

What ya mean no mitigating circumstances ? The player held on to Madigan to slow the ball (which is what prompted BOD to do what he did) and was still making no effort to move when BOD stamped on him.

No excuse for stamping but just as the Healy incident people need to start looking at the video footage to see what actually happened rather than going on like these players set out to attack people for no reason. Thats just nonsense.