If/when Kidney goes, who will we get?

This is being discussed in multiple threads across the forum so thought it might be good to have a thread dedicated to it.

It sure looks like Kidney's contract will not be renewed and there's lots of talk of who we would want to take over the job (Ewan McKenzi, Conor O'Shea etc), but not so much on who actually might.

So who do you think might realistically be the next coach?

Michael Bradley.

thomond2006

Ewen McKenzie if Deans stays with Australia

Teferi

I don't know anything about the who's who of coaching. Is there a place I can find out or does somebody know enough to give a rundown of who is available?

.ak

Jake White is probably a good candidate.

Mr. Mac

One of the following:

Schmidt
Ruddock
Bradley
O'Shea
White

Personally I hope O'Shea
Have a feeling it will be Ruddock.

lologram

Borders no.2 wrote: »

Michael Bradley.

Yikes.

Podge_irl

Despite what was reported in the IT I'd think Ruddock is quite likely to coach the team for the summer tests and may well get they job after that.

I don't really know though. Kiss is bookies fave which is absurd. Hard to tell with the IRFU.

rrpc

I think it could attract a lot of attention. International coaching positions don't come up that often and a top ten nation is a good catch. With our seeding set for the RWC there's a lot to aim for for an ambitious coach.

duckysauce

The poxy bookies are normally close enough.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/rugby-union/rugby-specials

Kiss :eek:

lurtz

http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/NewsArticles/tabid/581/ArticleID/8601/Default.aspx

Swiwi

thomond2006 wrote: »

Ewen McKenzie if Deans stays with Australia

Don't think so Alan. McKenzie is next cab off the rank, but I guess if Deans secured a Lions series he would probably be confirmed until 2015. Deans has an appalling record against his home nation, though, I think it's Aussie 3 or 4 wins vs NZ about 15.

Peter de Villiers...just throwing it out there :pac::pac::pac:

Swiwi

lurtz wrote: »

http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/NewsArticles/tabid/581/ArticleID/8601/Default.aspx

Cheers, that must be hot off the press. It either means he has been told he's going to coach Aussie...or else the NH have swooped!

LeeroyJones

Joe Schmidt

For the IRFU:
Top coach with proven track record
Already have relationship with him
Familiar with set-up
Settling in period shorter than with most other candidates
Bringing a healthy level of change with minimal disruption given his, and those around him (Feek/Gibbes etc), relationship already in place.

For Schmidt:
Chance at International rugby
Familiar with players/emerging players on offer at Leinster and also the other provinces
Presumably higher wages
Already settled in Dublin

The one thing going against Schmidt is his desire to return to NZ. However I feel committing to one extra year to life in Ireland to have a go at 6 Nations campaigns and a World Cup is a huge incentive to stay.

TheGoldenAges

Just looking at the bookies list, Brian McLaughlin at 30/1 seems a decent price

irishbucsfan

TheGoldenAges wrote: »

Just looking at the bookies list, Brian McLaughlin at 30/1 seems a decent price

He hasn't a snowball's chance in hell.

Well maybe as an interim guy for USA, but not as a permanent coach

badabing106

Martin Johnson

DGRulz

Been having a think about this. Schmidt is most likely not taking the job due to family stuff but he would know/ be friendly with some of the other SH candidates. Lets say one of them, say Vern Cotter, is offered or is even considering applying for the job and he comes to Joe for his opinion. Whats he likely to say?

The Guardian

Axel Foley and Tana Umaga?

First Up

Sacramento wrote: »

This is being discussed in multiple threads across the forum so thought it might be good to have a thread dedicated to it.

It sure looks like Kidney's contract will not be renewed and there's lots of talk of who we would want to take over the job (Ewan McKenzi, Conor O'Shea etc), but not so much on who actually might.

So who do you think might realistically be the next coach?

Phillip Doyle?

RoundBox11

I dont think conor o'shea is a realistic candidate at all. Besides the fact than when McGuirk mentioned it Conor gave him the "yeah right" look that said it all, why would he leave Quinns?

Anyway he's the director of rugby, is that even a coaching role? I always that that was more managerial no? he's the guy easterby of quinns, not the joe schmidt.

I could never see Umaga being picked. Id say theres still some bad blood there.

I wouldnt like to see Nick Mallet picked. He seems very over-rated to me. I mean with all the time he spent with Italy they still never really got anywhere til this year after he left. I mean maybe he did good things for them but given the level they were at thats not the same as what we are looking for.

irishbucsfan

RoundBox11 wrote: »

Anyway he's the director of rugby, is that even a coaching role? I always that that was more managerial no? he's the guy easterby of quinns, not the joe schmidt.

Very wrong. He's more senior to the head coach there. Guy Easterby is more like Mick Kearney, supporting the head coach. In Quins the head coach reports to O'Shea.

Surely you must have seen Quins play this season? O'Shea is their main man.

Rightwing

Tony McGahan.

bonnieprince

.ak wrote: »

Jake White is probably a good candidate.

Gert Smal has already worked with White so would make sense to bring in a coach who knows some of the back-room staff methinks.

RoundBox11

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Very wrong. He's more senior to the head coach there. Guy Easterby is more like Mick Kearney, supporting the head coach. In Quins the head coach reports to O'Shea.

Surely you must have seen Quins play this season? O'Shea is their main man.

Ive only seen a handful of their matches. I just presumed the director of rugby would have similar roles in both clubs!

irishbucsfan

RoundBox11 wrote: »

Ive only seen a handful of their matches. I just presumed the director of rugby would have similar roles in both clubs!

Guy Easterby is the team manager, not the director of rugby.

Donald Coyle

LeeroyJones wrote: »

Joe Schmidt

For the IRFU:
Top coach with proven track record
Already have relationship with him
Familiar with set-up
Settling in period shorter than with most other candidates
Bringing a healthy level of change with minimal disruption given his, and those around him (Feek/Gibbes etc), relationship already in place.

For Schmidt:
Chance at International rugby
Familiar with players/emerging players on offer at Leinster and also the other provinces
Presumably higher wages
Already settled in Dublin

The one thing going against Schmidt is his desire to return to NZ. However I feel committing to one extra year to life in Ireland to have a go at 6 Nations campaigns and a World Cup is a huge incentive to stay.

Get the impression that Schmidt likes hands-on coaching. He might not get the amount of on-field access to players he would like in the international setup. On the other hand, it might allow him a bit of leeway to split his time between Ireland and NZ before moving back home for good. Whatever about the pros and cons for Schmidt, would definitely be a major boost to Ireland to have him for the RWC.

clsmooth

I want a whole new coaching team. Smal, Kiss and the rest need to go too. A fresh start is imperative.

Donald Coyle

BOD could be free after the summer...

Clearlier

Now that it's clear that Eddie isn't taking over Cyprus he would be available

The Guardian

Clearlier wrote: »

Now that it's clear that Eddie isn't taking over Cyprus he would be available

he has also said that he is happy to consider all options, even the Irl squad (men and women)

decisions

I want us to start fresh, whole new coaching team. But I think it will be Axle & the current bunch.

thomond2006

Swiwi wrote: »

Peter de Villiers...just throwing it out there :pac::pac::pac:

If we're gonna hire a numpty, we may as well look closer to home and give Mad Marc a call.

Clearlier

More seriously Schmidt has to be top of the wish list. Whether he would take it is another question altogether.
Anscombe and Penney aren't long enough in position.
I know that Bradley has a long history of connections within the IRFU but I'd rather keep Kidney.
It's too early for O'Shea. I think that he will be Irish coach in the future but he could use a bit more experience before he reaches his peak as a coach.
I can't think of any other Irish coach with the requisite experience. (Foley is another I expect to coach Ireland but not for a few years yet)

Elwood would be a left field choice. Given his reasons for leaving Connacht it's difficult to imagine him being a serious candidate though.

Foreign coaches with recent experience of Ireland include McGahan who didn't leave with an enhanced reputation and Cheika for whom IIRC this comes at the wrong time.
A much more serious contendor is Ruddock. I still have a lot of concerns about him though. He won a flukey grand slam with Wales and Leinster only improved when Williams came on board. Speaking of Williams I'm sure that he will throw his hat in the ring but as something of a control freak in the Eddie mode (my perception) who really hasn't achieved much after Leinster I doubt that he'll be seriously considered.

I would have reservations about any Saffa taking over tbh. Their rugby mentality is just so different to ours - it would require a serious adjustment and none of them have recent experience of Ireland.

I imagine that the IRFU are hoping, praying and plotting that they can persuade Joe.

Edit to say that I know nothing about McKenzie or most SH coaches but the article posted earlier in the thread certainly makes for impressive reading.

Kayless

Imagine by hook or crook we got Schmidt, his first game in charge of Ireland will be vs NZ! oh the irony (that is if it is our first match, I'm not really sure)

molloyjh

Courtesy of Whiff of Cordite...

http://www.espnscrum.com/super-rugby-2013/rugby/story/178989.html

Sounds interesting....

badabing106

Schmidt has already stated before that he would be interesting in the position if he was asked. I wonder will he be asked though

athtrasna

I really would like someone who hasn't worked with an Irish province. All the talk of neutrality is just talk, when it comes down to it, coaches will choose what they know works.

errlloyd

molloyjh wrote: »

Courtesy of Whiff of Cordite...

http://www.espnscrum.com/super-rugby-2013/rugby/story/178989.html

Sounds interesting....

Lacks back coaching ability. Him and js could be a dream team.

decisions

badabing106 wrote: »

Schmidt has already stated before that he would be interesting in the position if he was asked. I wonder will he be asked though

When? I remember an interview where he kind of said well stranger things have happened, I never planned coming to Leinster ect, but I don't ever remember him saying he was intrested.

I'm pretty sure he is going back to NZ after next season anyway.

molloyjh

molloyjh wrote: »

Courtesy of Whiff of Cordite...

http://www.espnscrum.com/super-rugby-2013/rugby/story/178989.html

Sounds interesting....

Give us another option in the scrum anyway..

irishbucsfan

errlloyd wrote: »

Lacks back coaching ability. Him and js could be a dream team.

Never a problem with the Reds.

I don't believe that ESPN story though. I would want a better source before I start really getting my hopes up.

lologram

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Never a problem with the Reds.

I don't believe that ESPN story though. I would want a better source before I start really getting my hopes up.

I'd feel the same way. It's by no means strong evidence but Greg Clark of Fox Sports Australia tweeted to say he thought it was a possibility anyway. Listening to him week in week out on Sky's S15 coverage leads me to think he's relatively informed on SH rugby.

I'd personally support a McKenzie + good backs coach ticket.

CIARAN_BOYLE

lologram wrote: »

I'd feel the same way. It's by no means strong evidence but Greg Clark of Fox Sports Australia tweeted to say he thought it was a possibility anyway. Listening to him week in week out on Sky's S15 coverage leads me to think he's relatively informed on SH rugby.

I'd personally support a McKenzie + good backs coach ticket.

interim coach for north america(Ruddock maybe) from within, let kidney finish up, or if McKenzie has a backs coach in mind make him caretaker

Headcoach has to appoint his own coaching ticket imo

LuckyLloyd

Serious possibility we downgrade coach.

molloyjh

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Serious possibility we downgrade coach.

Downgrade from the guy that's seen us to our worst 6Ns finish in 15 years, our worst run of 6Ns results in the same time, our worst ever ranking and our worst ever defeat!? That would take some doing with the players we have.

First Up

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Serious possibility we downgrade coach.

Money will be a factor. IRFU not exactly flush.

Mind you, we can sink a million + into women's sevens, while the spectacularly successful men's version is ignored.

Maybe we need more than a new coach.

irishbucsfan

First Up wrote: »

Mind you, we can sink a million + into women's sevens, while the spectacularly successful men's version is ignored.

This is so wrong! :pac:

Thud

they don't have to pay the womens players so it's a lot cheaper than a mens sevens team

First Up

Thud wrote: »

they don't have to pay the womens players so it's a lot cheaper than a mens sevens team

Any players assigned to sevens would already be contracted - i.e. paid.

Neil3030

badabing106 wrote: »

Schmidt has already stated before that he would be interesting in the position if he was asked. I wonder will he be asked though

Don't. Just don't. Don't you DARE get my hopes up!!