Declan Kidney unsure if he wants a new contract

opinionatedfan

Declan Kidney: "I'd have to sit down and think about whether I want a new contract."

The gall of the man is incredible.

jimbomalley

Pre-empting the IRFU not renewing id say

awec

Tbh I think the guy knows he's gone.

freyners

Declan, believe us, we are not unsure at all

Amprodude

freyners wrote: »

Declan, believe us, we are not unsure at all

Declan ffs just leave it go and GTFO now.

Swiwi

FFS Declan, just resign and thank the players etc that you've had the honour to coach down the years, or something like that. Your position is untenable.

errlloyd

Realistically if he wants any chance of finding a new job, and Ireland want any chance of finding a new manager, he should go before the summer.

clsmooth

Deccie, can never give a straight answer can he?

thebaz

opinionatedfan wrote: »

The gall of the man is incredible.

wish he'd show some humility and fess up , and he could leave with some respect - he did well up to last WC - but should have gone then, its been steadily sideways and downwards since - ther a great bunch of players who deserve better - anyway delighted for Italy - so please Declan just own up, just not good eneogh now

Amprodude

thebaz wrote: »

wish he'd show some humility and fess up , and he could leave with some respect - he did well up to last WC - but should have gone then, its been steadily sideways and downwards since - ther a great bunch of players who deserve better - anyway delighted for Italy - so please Declan just own up, just not good eneogh now

Knowing the way the IRFU operate, they probably say "ah sure he won us a Grand Slam and beat Australia in WC". This attitude with the IRFU must go first.

m.j.w

Amprodude wrote: »

Knowing the way the IRFU operate, they probably say "ah sure he win us a Grand Slam and beat Australia in WC" This attitude with the IRFU must go first.

I dont think its just the irfu with that attitutde, the ammount of people saying o gara should be in for sexton even though he was in terrible form. Alot of people also say Robbie Keane should still be picked for Ireland based on history no matter how badly he is playing at the time.

thebaz

Amprodude wrote: »

Knowing the way the IRFU operate, they probably say "ah sure he win us a Grand Slam and beat Australia in WC" This attitude with the IRFU must go first.

I dont know anyone in the irfu , but they cant be all stupid - they hastily got rid of Gatland if I remember , also brought in a ring of coaches in the late 90's , Brian Ashton for instance - as long as this rubbish continues , people will stop buying premium seats at the Aviva , and buying Irish replica kits - anyway wish, as a leinster fan, Schmidt is offered the job , and gives the players a coach they deserve - and taking the captaincy from BOD and handing to heaslip was crazy , we actually now need BOD to help bed in a new coach - and he deserves better than to bow out under this rubbish

clsmooth

thebaz wrote: »

wish he'd show some humility and fess up , and he could leave with some respect - he did well up to last WC - but should have gone then, its been steadily sideways and downwards since - ther a great bunch of players who deserve better - anyway delighted for Italy - so please Declan just own up, just not good eneogh now

There was calls for him to leave before the WC on here anyway. Last 18 months has been a waste.

Sean Kinsella

thebaz wrote: »

I dont know anyone in the irfu , but they cant be all stupid - they hastily got rid of Gatland if I remember , also brought in a ring of coaches in the late 90's , Brian Ashton for instance - as long as this rubbish continues , people will stop buying premium seats at the Aviva , and buying Irish replica kits - anyway wish, as a leinster fan, Schmidt is offered the job , and gives the players a coach they deserve - and taking the captaincy from BOD and handing to heaslip was crazy , we actually now need BOD to help bed in a new coach - and he deserves better than to bow out under this rubbish

I'd give Kidney the boot (but the ball would be returned for a score) and then ask Ruddock to restore green dignity.

Sean

Sean Kinsella

jimbomalley wrote: »

Pre-empting the IRFU not renewing id say

Definitely for me; he's attempting to rescue the remnants of his reputation.

Sean

cormacjones

The vitriol on this thread is incredible.

totallegend

cormacjones wrote: »

The vitriol on this thread is incredible.

Point out one vitriolic post, please.

clsmooth

cormacjones wrote: »

The vitriol on this thread is incredible.

Such is sport. Kidney has been incompetent for a few years now. He needs to go. Watching Madigan today (out of position) and thinking he kept ROG around for the past 18 months in his place is mind boggling to everyone who watches rugby.

jamiedav2011

cormacjones wrote: »

The vitriol on this thread is incredible.

Incredibly tame?
This is the man that has taken 'charge' of our national team in the worst 6N championship since 1999, has made inconceivable calls time after time and has constantly put a tactically inept gameplan out there.

If anything, the lack of vitriol, from fans and from media, in the past few years has been incredible.

Enough Declan.

cormacjones

Amprodude wrote: »

Declan ffs just leave it go and GTFO now.

vitriol

jimbomalley

cormacjones wrote: »

The vitriol on this thread is incredible.

Mild compared to some of the stuff said in the last 18 months. Dont be so sensitive

trouttrout

totallegend wrote: »

Point out one vitriolic post, please.

There was on the match thread. Someone called him a "baby headed gombeen" and then tried to say they weren't personally abusing him!

cormacjones

Sean Kinsella wrote: »

I'd give Kidney the boot (but the ball would be returned for a score) and then ask Ruddock to restore green dignity.

Sean

vitriol

clsmooth

totallegend wrote: »

Point out one vitriolic post, please.

He's had a ridiculously easy ride in the media due to winning the Grand Slam. Don't suppose you remember EOS going after a bad 6 months with the media turning on him?

totallegend

cormacjones wrote: »

vitriol

Right. I honestly think you don't know what vitriolic means. Good luck.

cormacjones

clsmooth wrote: »

Such is sport. Kidney has been incompetent for a few years now. He needs to go. Watching Madigan today (out of position) and thinking he kept ROG around for the past 18 months in his place is mind boggling to everyone who watches rugby.

I can't disgree with anything you've said there. I just feel like some people won't be happy until he's lynched.

Hagz

cormacjones wrote: »

vitriol

Good lord. If that's your idea of vitriol then you best stay away from Conor George's twitter.

Sean Kinsella

cormacjones wrote: »

vitriol

Maybe, but true nonetheless.

Sean

Busted Flat.

He wouldn't make a good transplant. Give him his P45, and no bonus, actually he should return some of his largess.

No great fan of Declan Kidney but lets be realistic.

He is doing the best job he knows how. He is making the best decisions as far as he can. He is not trying to fail. He is not trying to avoid questions. He is what he is, and the IRFU bought into that.

If you have an issue with him as coach - direct it to the IRFU. Kidney is doing his job, and even when ships are sinking you don't see people asking to leave when the job is paying mortgages / bills etc. He has always been understand, even so far that he never bragged about the Grand Slam - going so far as to point out that other previous coaches also had to share in the spoils. I understand the frustration, but I immediately think less of people that don't know the man *at all* yet are happy to personally insult him for doing his job.

I don't think he has been great for Ireland, with the players that we have had at our disposal - one very very close Grand Slam and little else has been a poor return considering what the provinces are doing in Europe. Despite that, the IRFU is where people should be directing their frustrations. If Declan Kidney had the capacity to lead Ireland to a World Cup Victory, he would - lets not forget he is probably more disappointed than anyone.

This thread... lot of growing up to do all around.

clsmooth

cormacjones wrote: »

I can't disgree with anything you've said there. I just feel like some people won't be happy until he's lynched.

If he tries to hang onto a job in which he's doing a terrible job, eventually he'll be booted out! He should have the good sense to step away now to spare himself and the rugby watching public from any potential vitriol.

cormacjones

Busted Flat. wrote: »

He wouldn't make a good transplant. Give him his P45, and no bonus, actually he should return some of his largess.

Thanks for getting me out of a hole there!

Hagz

Deleted User wrote: »

No great fan of Declan Kidney but lets be realistic.

He is doing the best job he knows how. He is making the best decisions as far as he can.

That logic makes absolutely no sense. You're essentially saying that we should forgive Kidney for making illogical decisions because he's incapable of making the logical alternatives?! If anything that would be more insulting.
"Ah bless him, he's trying his best but he's just not that clever..."

Sean Kinsella

Deleted User wrote: »

No great fan of Declan Kidney but lets be realistic.

He is doing the best job he knows how. He is making the best decisions as far as he can. He is not trying to fail. He is not trying to avoid questions. He is what he is, and the IRFU bought into that.

If you have an issue with him as coach - direct it to the IRFU. Kidney is doing his job, and even when ships are sinking you don't see people asking to leave when the job is paying mortgages / bills etc. He has always been understand, even so far that he never bragged about the Grand Slam - going so far as to point out that other previous coaches also had to share in the spoils. I understand the frustration, but I immediately think less of people that don't know the man *at all* yet are happy to personally insult him for doing his job.

I don't think he has been great for Ireland, with the players that we have had at our disposal - one very very close Grand Slam and little else has been a poor return considering what the provinces are doing in Europe. Despite that, the IRFU is where people should be directing their frustrations. If Declan Kidney had the capacity to lead Ireland to a World Cup Victory, he would - lets not forget he is probably more disappointed than anyone.

This thread... lot of growing up to do all around.

His job is not to lose matches, or take Ireland from Grand Slam to (possible) Wooden Spoon in only 4 years.

I don't need to 'grow up' incidentally, I'm simply tired of one unacceptable display upon another, as are many on here I believe.

Sean

clsmooth

Deleted User wrote: »

No great fan of Declan Kidney but lets be realistic.

He is doing the best job he knows how. He is making the best decisions as far as he can. He is not trying to fail. He is not trying to avoid questions. He is what he is, and the IRFU bought into that.

If you have an issue with him as coach - direct it to the IRFU. Kidney is doing his job, and even when ships are sinking you don't see people asking to leave when the job is paying mortgages / bills etc. He has always been understand, even so far that he never bragged about the Grand Slam - going so far as to point out that other previous coaches also had to share in the spoils. I understand the frustration, but I immediately think less of people that don't know the man *at all* yet are happy to personally insult him for doing his job.

I don't think he has been great for Ireland, with the players that we have had at our disposal - one very very close Grand Slam and little else has been a poor return considering what the provinces are doing in Europe. Despite that, the IRFU is where people should be directing their frustrations. If Declan Kidney had the capacity to lead Ireland to a World Cup Victory, he would - lets not forget he is probably more disappointed than anyone.

This thread... lot of growing up to do all around.

If you were a Doctor and 50% of your patients died despite doing the best you could, with the mortality rate getting worse year in, year out despite having good equipment and facilities, would you not decide to step away and let someone else with new ideas have a go rather than continue? If you're incompetent you don't work. Unfortunately Kidney hasn't adapted and metaphorically is still using medical techniques which are dated. He needs to move on.

Hagz

Hagz wrote: »

That logic makes absolutely no sense. You're essentially saying that we should forgive Kidney for making illogical decisions because he's incapable of making the logical alternatives?! If anything that would be more insulting.
"Ah bless him, he's trying his best but he's just not that clever..."

Clearly that is not what I said at all and you are ignoring the rest of my post.

In any business, and rugby is a business. If people don't perform - you jettison them. The fact that Kidney is still hanging on, is down the fact that the IRFU have not replaced him. Why should he walk from a well paying job.

The man is doing his best, it's not good enough - but the IRFU are the ones that decide this, and it is their inaction that is at fault.

But hey - I'm sure if you were earning a couple of hundred thousand a year and not getting results you would gladly walk the plank right?

clsmooth

clsmooth wrote: »

If you were a Doctor and 50% of your patients died despite doing the best you could, with the mortality rate getting worse year in, year out despite having good equipment and facilities, would you not decide to step away and let someone else with new ideas have a go rather than continue? If you're incompetent you don't work. Unfortunately Kidney hasn't adapted and metaphorically is still using medical techniques which are dated. He needs to move on.

Yes because losing a rugby match is the same as letting people die.

Think more along the lines of a banker earning 60% profit when he could be making 85%.

The IRFU are looking at targets and percentages... not death rates???

sydthebeat

cormacjones wrote: »

vitriol

Nope....


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Podge_irl

cormacjones wrote: »

I can't disgree with anything you've said there. I just feel like some people won't be happy until he's lynched.

I won't be happy until he is no longer coach of the Irish rugby team. I have no desire relevant to him beyond that.

Sean Kinsella

Sean Kinsella wrote: »

I'd give Kidney the boot (but the ball would be returned for a score) and then ask Ruddock to restore green dignity.

Sean

Yes. Mature - good man.

its_phil

Sean Kinsella wrote: »

I'd give Kidney the boot (but the ball would be returned for a score) and then ask Ruddock to restore green dignity.

Sean

Why Ruddock?

I've never been overly impressed with him during the U20s.

Sean Kinsella

Deleted User wrote: »

But hey - I'm sure if you were earning a couple of hundred thousand a year and not getting results you would gladly walk the plank right?

I have done exactly that, with at least one job where I wasn't good enough and it was affecting my health.

Sean

sydthebeat

Sean Kinsella wrote: »

I have done exactly that, with at least one job where I wasn't good enough and it was affecting my health.

Sean

Proof reader for the indo?

Hagz

Deleted User wrote: »

Clearly that is not what I said at all and you are ignoring the rest of my post.

In any business, and rugby is a business. If people don't perform - you jettison them. The fact that Kidney is still hanging on, is down the fact that the IRFU have not replaced him. Why should he walk from a well paying job.

The man is doing his best, it's not good enough - but the IRFU are the ones that decide this, and it is their inaction that is at fault.

But hey - I'm sure if you were earning a couple of hundred thousand a year and not getting results you would gladly walk the plank right?

Your overall point, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that people should stop being so critical of Kidney and switch their focus to IRFU, i.e. those who have put him in such a position.

But that's ridiculous. Whether you like it or not, we have every right to criticise him given the position he holds in Irish rugby.

cormacjones

Just to be clear, I think Kidney should go and we all know he'll be gone soon anyway. But do we really need another thread where everyone attacks him? He made some crazy selection desicions, didn't promote players and his tactics were brutal at times, but I don't doubt that he tried his best.

What does dancing on his grave achieve?

Sean Kinsella

its_phil wrote: »

Why Ruddock?

I've never been overly impressed with him during the U20s.

I lived in Swansea for many years and his teams were largely untouchable and tended to take try-scoring opportunities when they presented; something sadly missing from the top table.

Sean

clsmooth

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes because losing a rugby match is the same as letting people die.

Think more along the lines of a banker earning 60% profit when he could be making 85%.

The IRFU are looking at targets and percentages... not death rates???

You're not letting people die, you're trying to help them. I was trying to use the advancements in medicine compared to Kidneys dated rugby ideology as a metaphor for his gameplan but I think the concept is beyond your grasp. With your banking analogy, Kidney wouldn't be making on any profit. He'd be going the way of Nick Leeson.

Sean Kinsella

cormacjones wrote: »

What does dancing on his grave achieve?

It's a results-based business; now more than ever.

Sean

razorblunt

I have this scary feeling that when he does go someone like Bradley will get the job.

cormacjones

Sean Kinsella wrote: »

It's a results-based business; now more than ever.

Sean

Ok.

Cormacjones

Trojan

Let's just all calm down. It's face-saving talk, plain and simple.