What hell?

Tim Robbins

OK, so Jesus gives a choice. Follow me and you go upstairs to the party otherwise you go downstairs and burn for eternity. That doesn't sound like a very nice choice. Why can't we just get an option to cease to exist? We neither go to heaven or hell?

Surely that would be minimum a loving God should give us?

In fact, if he was really loving we should get a few more options such as reincarnation? OR going to another heaven where atheists could leave in peace and try and set up their own community?

How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?

bellybuster12

Tim Robbins wrote: »

OK, so Jesus gives a choice. Follow me and you go upstairs to the party otherwise you go downstairs and burn for eternity. That doesn't sound like a very nice choice. Why can't we just get an option to cease to exist? We neither go to heaven or hell?

Surely that would be minimum a loving God should give us?

In fact, if he was really loving we should get a few more options such as reincarnation? OR going to another heaven where atheists could leave in peace and try and set up their own community?

How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?

WHITE SMOKE!!!!!!

I'm sure the new CEO will answer this.

Penn

Tim Robbins wrote: »

How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?

What better way to get people to follow your religion? "Live as we say and you'll have eternal happiness. Don't, and you'll have eternal punishment"

Geomy

The op is either a satirical joke or a ball of contradictions....

Good laughs reading that,
nice one

If you met God in the after life Atheism would be non existent ....unless you follow the tripe of most believers are an atheist one way or the other, I believe in Thor but dont believe in Mocha therefore I'm an Atheist :S

krudler

because Christianity as a religion is basically an abusive relationship. I love you but will punish you unless you worship me without question, but I love you. except I get stabby.

Chuck Stone

The expectation of the punishment of hell for non-believers is the ultimate vengeance fantasy pious ***** use to contain their internalised vindictiveness.

Delirium

why are you asking the question in this forum, surely it's a question for the Christianity forum?

Some of them say "separation from god IS hell, that's all there is to it" rather than the vindictive "do as I say or YOU'LL GET IN TROUBLE NAH NAH"
Non existence would still be better though :pac:

fitz0

Christianity isn't big on opt-out clauses. You're either in or you're in. No other choices.

Geomy

Non existence or eternal life sounds like a ball of ****e to me...
Sure I don't have the time to do all the adrenaline sports I pursue,climb mountains,surf Aileens, Rileys...
Whitewater rafting.
Fish for salmon in Russia,Canada for a few years in a row.
Catch cod from a shingle beach,a record bass...
Give me reincarnation as a human being any day I love life

There's medication and professional services for people who don't want to exist,you can also call a helpline.

Life is good enjoy it when ya can and if you're finding it hard I hope it gets better because you're worth it

Sarky

What?

hardCopy

Tim Robbins wrote: »

OK, so Jesus gives a choice. Follow me and you go upstairs to the party otherwise you go downstairs and burn for eternity. That doesn't sound like a very nice choice. Why can't we just get an option to cease to exist? We neither go to heaven or hell?

Surely that would be minimum a loving God should give us?

In fact, if he was really loving we should get a few more options such as reincarnation? OR going to another heaven where atheists could leave in peace and try and set up their own community?

How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?

A loving God wouldn't put people through the torture of terminal illness and harvest them young. Logic doesn't seem to be his thing.

Dades

koth wrote: »

why are you asking the question in this forum, surely it's a question for the Christianity forum?

I'm thinking its because TR is banned from there.

Honestly, we're all agreed the concept is nonsense; it's probably one of the main reasons people here don't believe.

Failing to see any point to this thread, tbh.

Benny_Cake

Some Christians do believe the final punishment is non-existence, it's called Annihilationism. Others believe that everyone will be (eventually) saved, which is known as universalism. Both views are a lot more common than people think.

Bannasidhe

Geomy wrote: »

Non existence or eternal life sounds like a ball of ****e to me...
Sure I don't have the time to do all the adrenaline sports I pursue,climb mountains,surf Aileens, Rileys...
Whitewater rafting.
Fish for salmon in Russia,Canada for a few years in a row.
Catch cod from a shingle beach,a record bass...
Give me reincarnation as a human being any day I love life

There's medication and professional services for people who don't want to exist,you can also call a helpline.

Life is good enjoy it when ya can and if you're finding it hard I hope it gets better because you're worth it

Bertie? Is that you?

Geomy

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Bertie? Is that you?

Not at all at all love,this is Mr Happy
But people should avail of all the professional help they need,thinking of not wanting to exist is not good.
Anyone who doesn't enjoy life is entitled to a good life,help is out there

Bertie ????

Geomy

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Some Christians do believe the final punishment is non-existence, it's called Annihilationism. Others believe that everyone will be (eventually) saved, which is known as universalism. Both views are a lot more common than people think.

Well in all fairness,how can non existence be a punishment ?

Sure if you don't exist,you won't be able to be conscious of non existence...

The whole point of punishment is to learn some sort of lesson or feel remorse for the reason you were punished in the first place.

Bannasidhe

Geomy wrote: »

Not at all at all love,this is Mr Happy
But people should avail of all the professional help they need,thinking of not wanting to exist is not good.
Anyone who doesn't enjoy life is entitled to a good life,help is out there

Bertie ????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfjGSfuSQpA

Swap 'existence' for 'economy' and you get the picture...

wonderfulname

Geomy wrote: »

Well in all fairness,how can non existence be a punishment ?

You're asking this regarding an institution based largely on peoples fear of death?

Zombrex

Tim Robbins wrote: »

OK, so Jesus gives a choice. Follow me and you go upstairs to the party otherwise you go downstairs and burn for eternity. That doesn't sound like a very nice choice. Why can't we just get an option to cease to exist? We neither go to heaven or hell?

Surely that would be minimum a loving God should give us?

In fact, if he was really loving we should get a few more options such as reincarnation? OR going to another heaven where atheists could leave in peace and try and set up their own community?

How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?

Why does it even have to be cease to exist.

Why didn't this "loving" God simply make us eternal to begin with, here on Earth?








.... Cause it's not real

ShooterSF

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Some Christians do believe the final punishment is non-existence, it's called Annihilationism. Others believe that everyone will be (eventually) saved, which is known as universalism. Both views are a lot more common than people think.

Eh how could Universalism work? Whether the Christian god exists or not there are many of us out there who would consider him a right prick so he'd either have to put up with us in heaven complaining about him or change our very minds (wherever they happen to be in a soul) which makes him an even scarier prick when you think about it, as free will is only temporary and all it results in is a bit of punishment followed by some soul brainwashing before welcoming whatever version of us exists in to heaven; Because it sure as hell (lol) wouldn't be the same person. Actually that's a more terrifying idea than hell!

Rev Hellfire

Tim Robbins wrote: »

OK, so Jesus gives a choice. Follow me and you go upstairs to the party otherwise you go downstairs and burn for eternity. That doesn't sound like a very nice choice. Why can't we just get an option to cease to exist? We neither go to heaven or hell?

Surely that would be minimum a loving God should give us?

In fact, if he was really loving we should get a few more options such as reincarnation? OR going to another heaven where atheists could leave in peace and try and set up their own community?

How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?

Slow day in the office I take it

Kiwi in IE

Having to spend eternity with the religious is my idea of the ultimate punishment.

Brian Shanahan

Penn wrote: »

What better way to get people to follow your religion? "Live as we say and you'll have eternal happiness. Don't, and you'll have eternal punishment"

It's an extension of the old tactic of "if you don't follow god's will you'll get et by the lions."

It's just slightly more sophisticated.

Brian Shanahan

Geomy wrote: »

If you met God in the after life Atheism would be non existent

If I met god in a non-existent place everybody would believe in him? Maybe he'll convince me that 2+2=5 as well.

Brian Shanahan

ShooterSF wrote: »

Eh how could Universalism work? Whether the Christian god exists or not there are many of us out there who would consider him a right prick

He is a prick, full stop. Any rational reading of the bible will show that god is simply one of those kids who is wont to pulling the wings off living flies and setting cats tails on fire, just with a lot more power and a following.

Geomy

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

If I met god in a non-existent place everybody would believe in him? Maybe he'll convince me that 2+2=5 as well.

Is that the Christian God or are you referring to Mocha ?

Bannasidhe

Geomy wrote: »

Is that the Christian God or are you referring to Mocha ?

Mocha - The God of Coffee?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocha

Or do you mean Macha - The Goddess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macha

Geomy

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Mocha - The God of Coffee?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocha

Or do you mean Macha - The Goddess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macha

I'll be having hot cross buns and a Mocha with Macha on good Friday


Macha the goddess I meant thanks for the correction

Bannasidhe

Geomy wrote: »

I'll be having hot cross buns and a Mocha with Macha on good Friday


Macha the goddess I meant thanks for the correction

Oh you don't want to have mocha with Macha :eek:... she makes Kali look laid back.

Geomy

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Oh you don't want to have mocha with Macha :eek:... she makes Kali look laid back.

Shile Ni Gig is a better bet lol

Nothing like a lie in with Shile

Bannasidhe

Geomy wrote: »

Shile Ni Gig is a better bet lol

Nothing like a lie in with Shile

Síle is grand as long as she is wearing trousers in public - if she has a skirt on just run away and pretend you don't know her...:cool:

Geomy

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Síle is grand as long as she is wearing trousers in public - if she has a skirt on just run away and pretend you don't know her...:cool:

Ah we meet in old lonely churches and graveyards

I'll bring a flask

Does she dwell in many places around North Kerry

Geomy

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Síle is grand as long as she is wearing trousers in public - if she has a skirt on just run away and pretend you don't know her...:cool:

Ah we meet in old lonely churches and graveyards

I'll bring a flask

Does she dwell in many places around North Kerry

Geomy

Don't mention the magical wizards sleeve :S

Brian Shanahan

Geomy wrote: »

Is that the Christian God or are you referring to Mocha ?

All gods are true, given the same value for truth (i.e. fable). So take your pick on whichever make believe monster is out there.

Oh and clearly I was referring to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He touched me with his noodly appendage.

Geomy

Mr Sandman I like him...
Jack Frost is cool too :P

Sarky

Geomy wrote: »

Mr Sandman I like him...

You haven't read Gaiman's take on him, then?

Geomy

Sarky wrote: »

You haven't read Gaiman's take on him, then?

Not yet dude

Just googled it,sounds dark and scary lol

I'll check out that comic place in Galway they might have it in hardback

Thanking you

kylith

Geomy wrote: »

Not yet dude

Just googled it,sounds dark and scary lol

I'll check out that comic place in Galway they might have it in hardback

Thanking you

No, it's fantastic like

Darn you and your ninja edit.

Geomy

kylith wrote: »

No, it's fantastic like

Darn you and your ninja edit.

I'd prefer Slaine to the Ninjas lol

I love the aul dark stuff

Sarky

Insofar as an utterly inhuman, unfathomable lord of dream and nightmare who is also the kingdom he rules can be considered fantastic. I'd have said friggin' terrifying was more apt myself.

Obliq

LOVE Neil Gaiman. Love his Sandman, but haven't read it for years. Nice one - must look it out again. May I recommend his short stories? "Fragile things" is the only book of them I can remember - fab. Go find.